Thread 11862328 - /vr/ [Archived: 324 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:43:45 AM No.11862328
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So is it possible to have a 3D game without a camera?
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:45:05 AM No.11862331
>>11862328 (OP)
what?
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:47:53 AM No.11862340
You realize that even 2D games have a "camera"? About the only thing that does not are text adventures and management sims that are entirely made up of menus and buttons.
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:51:26 AM No.11862347
>>11862340
Does Tetris have a camera? Or tic tac toe?
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:54:51 AM No.11862351
>>11862347
Yes
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 2:00:45 AM No.11862364
>>11862328 (OP)
He meant cutscenes in the same engine.
I found ff7's sprites-on-video more amazing at the time.
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 3:46:26 AM No.11862532
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>>11862328 (OP)
>I invented the Camera item, because a video game at the time allowing you to view the world in new perspectives is interesting.

Tha'ts all he was saying. He was talking about wanting to insert an item into the game, he wasn't talking about the virtual camera in 3D games.
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 4:20:37 AM No.11862576
VirtualBoy didn't have a camera
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 4:30:29 AM No.11862597
>>11862532
You're just mad that you didn't invent the camera
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 5:44:41 AM No.11862739
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>>11862532
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 5:46:52 AM No.11862741
>>11862576
That's cause you are the camera
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 11:11:20 AM No.11863182
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>>11862741
I AM
I AM
A CAMERA
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 11:25:07 AM No.11863208
>>11862532
gamingcirclejerk tier forced meme, goddamn
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 11:26:08 AM No.11863210
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>>11862576
Kojima invented VB before he invented the camera, gomenne
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 11:35:08 AM No.11863223
>>11862351
And I'd argue that tic tac toe doesn't. It's so abstract from reality, you can't even apply a term like "camera" to it.
Tetris is harder to judge, but at the same time, it's similarly abstract and exists on a single screen. Saying "camera in Tetris" is just absurd.
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 12:00:09 PM No.11863245
>>11863223
If you're viewing something then there's a camera
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 12:03:27 PM No.11863250
>>11863245
That's the question. If I'm viewing UI, it's not the camera then? And please tell me more about camera in tic tac toe.
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 12:15:33 PM No.11863263
>>11863250
You're the camera, viewing the UI. Same with tic-tac-toe. Your eyes are the camera, viewing a piece of paper
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 12:22:22 PM No.11863270
>>11863223
>It's so abstract from reality
So is the camera in video games.
It's just a way for the programmer to describe what gets rendered to the screen, using what perspective.
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:37:43 PM No.11863340
>>11863270
This, there is a reason that it's also called the Viewport in game engines.
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 1:38:43 PM No.11863341
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>>11863263
That's not what people mean by "camera" though. They mean the in-game one. Could as well say books have camera
>>11863270
See, that's the issue I have here. First, in tic tac toe, "perspective" per se hardly applies. Where is "top", where's "bottom"? It's a completely abstract 2D grid.
Second, "camera" refers to recording of the real world, or its imitation. It's understandable how you need camera in non-abstract games. Or in games like Rez, where it's sort of abstract, but really emulates real 3D world and its perspective. It's not abstract in a strict definition.
But where's the "camera" in picrel? It's completely abstract from real life. Much like numbers or letters don't have a "camera".
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 3:03:32 PM No.11863451
>>11863341
Camera = perspective
For tic-tac-toe, top is the top of the grid, bottom is the bottom
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 3:07:56 PM No.11863458
>>11863451
You can rotate it any way though. And
>perspective, noun
>1. the art of representing three-dimensional objects on a two-dimensional surface so as to give the right impression of their height, width, depth, and position in relation to each other.
It's purely 2D.
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 4:11:53 PM No.11863551
>>11862347
yes, dipshit
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 4:27:03 PM No.11863571
>>11863458
>You can rotate it any way though
...and guess *what* you are rotating
Anonymous
7/12/2025, 7:53:36 PM No.11863878
we will never know because Kojima invented the camera and was kind enough to not copyright this invention.
how did the camera work in every game that released before MGS1? stop asking stupid questions. Kojima invented it
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 8:15:37 PM No.11863914
>>11862328 (OP)
How Can Cameras Be Real If Our Eyes Aren't Real?
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 9:22:21 PM No.11864031
Nintendo wins again
Nintendo wins again
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>>11863878
Imagine if it had been Nintendo that invented camera and you needed to pay them to use it? Video games would never be the same...
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 11:01:14 PM No.11864236
>>11863878
>>11864031
Cope. Xbox invented the real camera.
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 11:25:25 PM No.11864278
>>11863914
I can see your eyes, you can see my eyes, as long as we trust eachother we know that we have eyes. No one can see camera in metal gear solid
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 11:34:37 PM No.11864290
>>11864278
We can see the camera in Mario 64 though
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 11:43:39 PM No.11864313
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>>11864290
If you can see camera then then it's not really "camera" then, is it?
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 12:33:30 AM No.11864393
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>>11864313
What the fuck is this then?
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 12:36:13 AM No.11864398
>>11862364
Surely you meant models on video. In any case, there is a reason MGSโ€™s way of doing things beat FF7โ€™s. Not only is it more efficient to produce, itโ€™s more immersive for the player.
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 12:36:43 AM No.11864402
>>11862532
He wasnโ€™t talking about the item lol
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 12:37:27 AM No.11864404
>>11864398
Of course having a camera is more immersive
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 1:29:17 AM No.11864493
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>>11864402
>He wasnโ€™t talking about the item lol

Yes, he was 100% talking about the camera item. He employs some kind of translator for his English twitter feed, and the translator doesn't know the context so he didn't pick up on it.
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 1:32:00 AM No.11864498
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Camera

Item.

Kojimbo was saying he made sure the game had an item called "camera" to explore the 3D world from different pespectives. It's also why he had first person view and the scope.

Metal Gear - Solid - third and 3D.
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 2:06:30 AM No.11864568
>>11864404
Why?

You don't need a camera for reality
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 2:15:53 AM No.11864583
Ok after thinking it for a while, sound spacing sonar style may work but it would need infrasounds and I have no clue if it works
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 2:18:32 AM No.11864593
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>>11864498
No, Solid means my dick is Solid for Mei Ling
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 5:51:50 AM No.11865031
>>11864393
Obviously that is camera but camera isn't viewing himself so who was "camera"
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 5:57:37 AM No.11865040
>>11862328 (OP)
>please write my video essay for me
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 8:08:54 AM No.11865204
>>11864236
Do you have a single fact to back that up? Kojima-sama quoted himself as saying "I invented the camera."
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 8:18:53 AM No.11865224
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>>11864593
>IS OLD SNAKE
Feels-Badman
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 8:20:45 AM No.11865229
>>11864568
Your eyes are the camera of reality
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 8:28:22 AM No.11865240
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Where does he fit in this equation?
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 9:32:03 AM No.11865331
>>11865224
Hot Coldman
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 9:53:50 AM No.11865359
>>11864593
Japanese game devs should never have been introduced to western social media and crowdfunding.
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 11:01:16 AM No.11865438
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>>11862328 (OP)
Yeah, but it's kind of shitty compared to say, the 3DS's stereographic system
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 11:24:24 AM No.11865476
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>>11865331
keep it retro
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 11:33:16 AM No.11865480
>>11865240
Kojima's Mariosona
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 5:28:59 PM No.11866015
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>>11862328 (OP)
"3D game" is ambiguous terminology.
Using "3D graphics", i.e. perspective projection, means there must be a "camera" point that you're seeing out of.
But there are also games with movement in 3 dimensions that use parallel projection, so no camera. Super Mario RPG, Sonic 3D Blast, etc.
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 5:55:09 PM No.11866047
>>11864568
is it more immersive to have eyes or no ?
a camera's purpose is to capture image kinda like our eyes do.
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 5:56:18 PM No.11866050
>>11864593
>Snake's womb
what the fuck is he smoking.
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 6:24:20 PM No.11866087
>>11865240
That's the the camera, the lens you are viewing it through belongs to an object to surpass camera.
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 6:35:58 PM No.11866105
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>>11864593
>>11864493
>worships american media
>can't even speak english
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 6:38:10 PM No.11866107
>>11866087
Actuallyโ€ฆ you're raising the real question. If lakitu is filming Marioโ€ฆ then who's filming lakitu?
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 6:52:41 PM No.11866143
lakitu bros
lakitu bros
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>>11866107
The other lakitu bro.
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Anonymous
7/13/2025, 9:02:27 PM No.11866391
>>11863223
>And I'd argue t
Yup. Kids on the internet will argue all kinds of silly shit.
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 9:26:42 PM No.11866452
>>11866143
>SM64 was televised live on the Mushroom Kingdom TV network
>The player canonically controls two protagonists at the same time
Anonymous
7/13/2025, 10:31:45 PM No.11866590
>>11864593
OLD NAKE
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 1:32:37 AM No.11866860
>>11866143
But Mario is part of Mario Bros yet there's only one Mario bro in the game so that doesn't prove anything. Don't even try to hit me with that L is real bullshit, he's not. I've seen through the game.
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 2:24:58 AM No.11866957
>>11866105
lmao is this for real? are there jap neckbeards elitist about playing western games in the original english? i'm falling for satire