Was the GameCube mini-DVD really an excellent anti-piracy system?

>>11862938 (OP)
play any video games lately?

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>this breaks the engagement bot

>>11862938 (OP)
Nah

>>11862938 (OP)
In the long run, no. Maybe for its time, it could've done its job to some degree, but as of right now it's never been easier to pirate GameCube games. Especially with the state of Wii softmodding making the GameCube's immediate successor the perfect device for ripping them. The fact you can look up virtually any game you want and download it from some site hosting it or in the case of some other consoles you can play the games directly in your browser without even having to download anything to begin with. I wouldn't say that necessarily makes the miniDVDs any less charming and unique though. I like that games often took advantage of different storage media over the years. It's always interesting to reflect on the state of the industry at that time through direct design decisions such as this one and it's always fun when I go back to play my GameCube.

>>11862938 (OP)
No. Anyone clever enough to get a mod chip or swap disc would be clever enough to take the top of the shell off or cut the dvdr down to size. I'm sure at some point someone started making shells that would fit a full size disc. I know as early as 2006 you could get a flip top shell for a ps2 so you didn't have to use a paper clip to pull the tray out. I'm sure gamecube eventually got something to make swapping easier and less destructive but I had no interest in it.

The best anti piracy feature it had was not having games worth pirating as well as it being much easier to pirate games on the other 6th gen consoles.

>>11863013

>>11863024
This actually works btw

>>11863024
This is gross, did they not have a drill and some sandpaper to make a makeshift lathe and sand the sides down evenly? Why go through all this trouble just to fuck up your disc drive with wobbling.

>>11863062
it doesn't spin that fast, it does so at a single speed, and that's never the part that wears out. The laser assembly will always go first.

>>11862938 (OP)
It looks like a fucking chocolate chip cookie

>>11863013
>The best anti piracy feature it had was
Filtering fags like you who cant get past dumb shit that doesnt ever matter. Some of the greatest ganes of all time, still holding today. The most popular emulation is for playing GameCube. Lose your shallow misplaved ego and enjoy yourself, beta.

>>11863024
I had no idea there was zero protection. You just cut a DVD to size and that’s it? Even PS1 wasn’t THAT easy.

It probably was just thinking back on it. Datel made that action replay disk. I don't really know if anyone was using action replay for piracy back in the day

>>11863024
I've never seen that. That's kinda awesome.
>>11863247
I think there is protection. That's why the picoboot exists. Because IIRC you can actually get small blank DVDs.

>>11863272
>>11863247

There's protection. Gamecubes still need to be modchipped

>>11862938 (OP)
idk, i think the best GameCube piracy system was its disappointing library and overall unpopularity. Piracy wasn't worth the effort when you could rush out to FunCo Land, buy a GC, 4 controllers and a pile of games with chump change.

I pirated GC games on my Wii

>>11863247
>I had no idea there was zero protection.
Nobody here ever said that. Of course it had protection, only some of the earliest CD systems and add-ons didn't. We was just saying that the Mini-DVD format was not protection in and of itself, nor was it even something new as blank mini-DVDs were a thing that some camcorders used at the time.

You would still need a modchip (pretty sure softmods didn't exist back then) to run burned games regardless of if you was using a mini-dvd, a dvd cut to mini size, or had taken off the top cover to fit regular DVDs on it.

There were third party shells which could accommodate full size discs

Having no games was its anti-piracy

>>11862938 (OP)
i'd say it was. it's not a very sophisticated anti-piracy system, but just making piracy inconvenient deters a lot of would-be pirates.
piracy on the PS2 was comparatively easy, and the Xbox security was so lax it might as well have come pre-modded from the factory.

I feel like those mini-DVDs were more durable than the full size ones on the PS2. GameCube load times seemed to be faster than on PS2, though I don't know how multiplats peform in that area.

>>11863024
>Year 2050
>EBay listing
>"Don Kikon"
>mini DVD poorly cut out from DVD
>"$200, I know what I have"

>>11863067
He's not wrong, mate. It's like coming across the equivalent of the Green River Killer's "secret spot", but for GC.

Yes, I believe it was. Nobody knows (knew, especially) you can even buy those little discs or that you can cut a bigger discs down. A very small percentage of people are motivated enough to get past the rest of the anti-piracy. This discussion is about a quarter century after the fact and probably most of the anons here were in diapers when the GC came out. Preventing "theft" is largely a matter of reducing convenience and opportunity. It's why locks work even though it's "easy" to pick a lock.

>>11863357
That’ll probably be a fair price if inflation keeps up

>>11863334
this.

>>11863024
lmao

>>11863240
Even if that were true and not something you just made up it's only because 99% of people are using Dolphin solely to play Melee online.

>>11862938 (OP)
No. It was an Anit-paying sony royalties system

>>11863024
anon... what the fuck

>>11862938 (OP)
Yes. It made it ultra hard for pirate fags to pirate games for the Gamecube.

>>11863334
Not this

Piracy is pretty gay to be honest. It's the kind of thing they do in third world shitholes where people will also steal from and scam anyone and everyone. Growing up I don't remember anyone pirating games. Breaking the security is interesting from a technical standpoint though.

>>11863024
i did this and it cut out the last levels from my game

>>11863024
zelda, mario, the list goes on

>>11862938 (OP)
it certainly suceeeded in stopping hundreds of millions of peopel from buying a gamecube so in a way...yes.

>>11863024
I like the determination in this

>>11862938 (OP)
It had absolutely nothing to do with piracy, and was instead an effort to do the minimum amount of work to make a DVD-like format that's technically legally not actually a DVD so that Nintendo could avoid paying patent royalties to Sony
They did the same thing with the Wii discs where they actually figured out a way to make them full-size, and the WiiU which actually had slightly more effort put into making their I Can't Believe It's Not Bluray discs.
The most obvious flaw in the anti-piracy argument is that the disc drives in the Gamecube and Wii can still read standard DVDs just fine and all the copy-protection is at the software level. It wouldn't even have taken that much effort to do mechanical adjustments to make reading regular DVDs entirely impossible.

So what is the actual protection method used in the GC? Is it a special write sector on the discs that commercial disc writers cannot burn?

>>11865663
I think the patent thing is bullshit. You can't get around technology patents by changing something so superficial as the diameter of a disc. Its the same tech regardless of the diameter.

>>11866158
you don't know what you're talking about
patents are extremely specific, you can't patent broad concepts like "a laser-readable pattern on a plastic disc"

>>11866161
Patents are as broad as they can possibly get away with. Also, they don't own the diameter of the cd.

>>11866209
you know fuck all about patent law and should shut your ignorant mouth.

>>11863024
Good god, that gore.

>>11862938 (OP)
Did anyone say it was?
>>11863013
>clever enough to take the top of the shell off or cut the dvdr down to size.
>not clever enough to get a job paying enough to afford a gc that could take full sized DVDs out of the box
We obviously have very different definitions of "clever"

>>11866158
You do realize mini-DVDs are a real thing, right?
The changes made to the format for Gamecube discs are extremely minor and have absolutely nothing to do with the physical size or any anti-piracy feature as even things like the Burst Cutting Area are standard though rarely used DVD features.

This is not Questions & Answers.

>>11866365
Sure you could just throw money at a problem or you could use the console you already had that was collecting dust. You'd have to be retarded to buy a gamecube(even when they were $50 new) for the purpose of pirating games lol.

>>11866901
>Sure you could just throw money at a problem
One of the many benefits of not being a minimum wagie
>or you could use the console you already had that was collecting dust
Imagine being such an impulse buying faggot living in such filth that you already had a GC and it was covered in dust by mid December 2001. Which, of course, you are imagining, because that never happened, least of all to a switch baby like you.
>You'd have to be retarded to buy a gamecube(even when they were $50 new) for the purpose of pirating games lol.
You'd have to be even more retarded to think anyone has suggested that. Most people bought GCs to play games.

>>11865591
>Piracy is pretty gay
>steal
You sound pretty homosexual yourself, no wonder you're an expert.

>>11865591
Emulation has been a normal thing since the 90's, the fuck are you talking about? Besides it all started with somebody dumping their game back then so it's really more like sharing. You don't like to share anon?

>>11866459
>>11862938 (OP)
>>11863007
Wait, were there dual layer mini DVDs? GameCube didn't use them?

>>11863024
Fake, the game boy player doesn't play GBC games

>>11867079
There were/are dual-layer MiniDVDs that hold 2.6GB, but the GameCube doesn't support them.

>>11863024
I was a young teen when I got my GameCube and remember looking for blank mini DVDs once I had it chipped. It's funny to think about the kind of shenanigans I would've gotten into had I known shit like this actually worked.

>>11862938 (OP)
I don't think it was about anti-piracy, I think Nintendo just wanted to avoid giving Sony any kind of income and partnered with other companies to make CD/DVD/BD alternatives. It's funny how they looped right back to using cartridges again in the end.

>>11867079
Gamecube games had the same size but the actual format itself was proprietary and not based on DVD in order to avoid paying royalties to the DVD Forum, which Sony was a founding member of.

>>11867324
>SD cards = cartridges
I know what you're getting at, but I really wish people would stop conflating these two things.

>>11867127
Nintendo those assholes. How hard or more expensive would have it had been to enable dual layer support, seriously?

>>11863247
https://debugmo.de/2008/11/anatomy-of-an-optical-medium-authentication/

>>11867071
He's obviously talking about the people in his life, anon. Are you retarded? Yes, you are. I dunno why I even ask.

>>11867002
Yo what are you even trying to say lol

No one suggested buying a gamecube for piracy? What's this then lmao >>11866365 it's 2003, we swap disc now, let's buy and import the discontinued gamecube with a DVD player so I don't have to remove 4 screws from the gamecube we already have kek. Then we can burn like the 4 or 5 games we kind of want to play but aren't willing to even spend $5 to rent because they don't look that good lol. The regular gamecube works fine for official games, you don't need a q just to play games kek.

>>11868085
nta but he was obviously using it to imply people dont do that here

>>11863420
>Preventing "theft" is largely a matter of reducing convenience and opportunity.
My uncle once told me, "The only reason we have locks is to keep honest people honest."

>>11862938 (OP)
>ends up getting one of the god-tier emulators
>mini disc file sizes keep the size of a full iso set reasonable
>fuck yourself out of getting GTA games on your console and become a non-competitor to the "real" consoles in future generations
If you consider that good anti-piracy, then yeah.

>>11863024
>Labeling the discs "GameCube" as if the size wasn't indication enough

>>11868887
>ends up getting one of the god-tier emulators
>mini disc file sizes keep the size of a full iso set reasonable
none of this shit affected their profit when they were still making gamecubes

>>11863334
You're thinking of PS3-5.

>>11867091
Retarded zoomer, shut up

>>11867329
>SD cards
Take your meds

>>11865591
people were modchipping ps1s and ps2s, dumbass
piracy has been a thing forever, you were just a dumbass kid ignorant of the world around you

>>11868510
>shit the voices in my head are telling me
lol. get well soon.

>>11863334
>>11865607
True. I soft-modded my Wii nearly a decade ago and was SHOCKED how few games are actually worth playing on GameCube. I only ended up playing Twin Snakes, which was inferior to the original game on PS1. If Resident Evil Remake and Zero didn't get ported then I would have played those as well as GameCube titles though. I don't understand why the GameCube console is so expensive when the Wii is basically a Super GameCube and it can do virtually everything a GameCube can and more.

>>11871830
Loser, moron, retard, zoomer

>>11871832
You're coping? Even the OG Xbox mogged the GameCube in games and sales.

>>11871857
>more games means more good
>more sales means more good

>>11871876
Obviously I meant that the Xbox mogged the GameCube library in both quantity AND quality.

>>11871937
This image has single handedly convinced me that gaming died in the 6th generation.

>>11868865
Turns out there's a lot of honest people.

>>11871857
I wonder what the heck that guy's making jones about now that the cat's out of the bag on his people. He loves ripping on white people, but man, Indians are just not in any place to make fun of civilized folk.

>>11871937
Microsoft took PC developers and made them make shittier versions of their games.

>>11871941
Why?

Gamesphere!