Is this the worst mainstream next-gen controller ever released?

>>11865096 (OP)
I would have to say Gamecube is worse because the dpad is unusable. I had to buy a 3rd party Hori pad just to play Mega Man Anniversary Collection.
Dreamcast not having a second analog is maybe a missed opportunity but it never actually hindered anything since games from that era barely used it.

>>11865096 (OP)
It’s a straight downgrade from the 3D Saturn controller, so it’s definitely up there.

>>11865123
If you can use the dpad on a gba you can use the one on the gamecube controller (or you can just plug a gba in and use that as your controller instead)

>>11865096 (OP)
I think it's neat, VMU's are very cool, but overall Saturn's is better

It feels the best in your hands (after the Xbox of course) but the lack of second analog is inexcusable. PS2 and GameCube feel awful to hold.

The Dreamcast stick fucking sucks, so yes

>>11865127
>>11865096 (OP)

wrong. if anything it's a huge upgrade from sega saturn controllers mainly bc of VMU's and triggers, faggits.

Move over Dreamcastio

>>11865143
>If you can use the dpad on a gba you can use the one on the gamecube controller
It's a significantly d-pad in the GC. Much stiffer and awkward to use.

>>11865220
Saturn had analog triggers.

As much as I like the Dreamcast its controller is pretty inexcusable
>no shoulder or z/c buttons, has less inputs than the saturn controller does
>analog stick is garbage, hall effect sensors be damned, and becomes loose very easily
>dpad is razor sharp and cuts into your fingers, i've genuinely gotten blisters trying to play 3rd strike on it, why they went with that design after how perfect the saturn's was is anyone's guess
>no second analog stick
>cord comes out the bottom
>vmu is neat but ultimately just a gimmick
About the only thing they got right were the triggers

>>11865313
>>analog stick is garbage
You haven't touch a Dreamcast controller. Shut the fuck up, dumb nigger.

>>11865242
>It's a significantly d-pad in the GC
It’s one of the d-pads ever made.

>>11865096 (OP)
I played a shitload of soul calibur on it so it was good enough for the only game on the system
even megahits from years later like GTA 3 and VC were still designed on the basis that the human species was not capable of handling dual analogs

>>11865431
I've owned several over the years in varying states of wear. _All_ of them have sucked.
You must never have used one if you're willing to defend it.

>>11865096 (OP)
No. You're missing three successive generations of Nintendo controllers.

>>11866690
Kek. Never owned a DC but always got the impression they were sturdy. Guess not

>>11866704
what's wrong with the snes one?

Were there any FPS or FPS-adjacent games made for the DC that used the face buttons for forward/back and strafe while you aimed with the analog?

>>11866719
Yes, Quake 3 and UT, and you can remap buttons in Quake 3. And also there's KBM support

>>11865313
I've literally never seen a Dreamcast controller with a bad analogue stick, and I'd say I've owned around 70-80 over the years. Even the filthiest, most yellowed piece of shit ones from Yahoo Auctions have always been fine after a quick clean. Also, the only way the cord comes out of the bottom either is if it was pulled extremely hard, given it has a ton of stress relief, and you can just put it back in by taking the controller apart anyway.

>>11866656
im wheezing lmao

>>11865096 (OP)
Yes but because of the build quality, it is not the button placement.
The Dreamcast controller without the VMU for weight feels hollow and cheap, and the buttons and especially the d-pad are prone to wear more than any controller I've used.
From '99-'01, when the DC was my primary console I must have bought at least 5 controller and the only that didn't break from regular gameplay was a terribly uncomfortable but durable 6 button Mad Catz controller

>>11865096 (OP)
No at all. It's great for 3D games, which is what the console is designed for (as opposed to the Saturn with its clickier pad). The Xbox line of controllers serms like its direct successor. The baffling part was having the cord at the bottom.

>>11866735
If you had ever played a Dreamcast you would know the DC is mostly hollow to make use for the 2 VMU bays.
And Dreamcast was terrible for full 3D games you still had to strafe or control the camera with the face or shoulder buttons.

>>11866719
Quake 3 did that and it controlled incredibly wonderfully.
It also had PC crossplay, up until a certain patch version.

>>11866723
>ve literally never seen a Dreamcast controller with a bad analogue stick
They don't really go bad unless destroyed. I guess the spring can get fatigued? I've retensioned some here and there but the stick is never broken.

>>11865143
thr gba's dpad was streets ahead of the gc's

>>11865143
>If you can use the dpad on a gba you can use the one on the gamecube
nope
theyre identical in appearance only, the feel couldn't be any different. using a GC one feels like someone stuck glue on a GBA dpad, much stiffer

>>11866841
>>11866845
Skill issue

>>11866847
>replying not even a minute after my post
you didn't read it did you

>>11865431
There's no rubber on it. It fucking sucks if you get a little bit moist in the course of an epic gaming sessions. Overall it's just a very slippery stick that makes you press down a bit harder given its shape and reliance on the the bumps for friction

How the fuck do you go from this to >>11865096 (OP)

>>11866847
>t. never touched a gc controller

>>11866850
>it takes more than a minute to read 10 words
Ok
>>11866912
I love the gamecube, I just don't have the same issues as what you're describing, dpad feels fine to me

>>11865096 (OP)
Not even close.
The Atari 5200 is probably the worst.

>>11866920
you gotta come up with a better lie if you expect anyone to believe it. it's painfully obvious you're a zoomer who has never touched a gc controller, googled up an image, and said to yourself "that looks like the GBA dpad"
now that you've been rebuked by multiple anons, you're larping

>>11866935
Take your meds

>>11866690
>reddit formatting
kek

>>11865096 (OP)
N64 is worse
When did Dreamcast become mainstream lmao

>>11866718
Pretty sure they're talking about N64-Wii

>>11867008
South Park, CSI, and The Sopranos all featured characters playing/talking about the Dreamcast. You're right about the N64, but the Dreamcast was absolutely mainstream.

>>11865096 (OP)
>mainstream
>dreamcast
Pick one

Its not great
they probably wasted alot of money developiong the vmu and I dont think it caught people's attention like they thought it would.
Every other competitor had far better memory card bios software without the need for gimmicks

HECK NO! That control stick was the best!! It never drifted!! We need that technology now, and the controller was way ahead if its time (in a good way)

>>11866987
>one-line stock response
uh-huh. better luck next time, kiddo

>>11867064
>one-line stock response
uh-huh. better luck next time, kiddo

>>11867078
petulance is unbecoming, zoom zoom. learn to accept defeat with at least a sliver of dignity.

>S
The controller comes in a shit load of cool colors.
>A
Face buttons including Start have nothing to complain about. Analog triggers are based. VMU is a cool gimmick for the controller, ignoring the problems of the VMU itself.
>B
Controller is comfy to hold in its own unconventional way. Rumble is an accessory but it doesn't require batteries.
>C
No rubber for the stick? But it is hall effect. Dpad is good enough for shenmue but not great.
>D
Controller is not supposed to be plugged in or removed while the console is turned on. Controller barely has enough buttons. Cord comes out of the bottom, costing overall length.

>>11866926
only correct answer in this thread, the controllers would stop accepting button inputs after a few weeks of use, it was common practice to regularly disassemble and clean the button terminals. inexcusable

>>11867243
At least now you can replace the entire flex circuit with an inexpensive gold plated one that just werks. It's sort of annoying to take apart and put together with the top button snap-in panel and trying to line up the joystick properly, but you get something that feels brand new in the end.
N64 you can't even get a good stick replacement.

I think it's a good controller for what it needs to do. As someone else said, not having a right analog stick really isn't a deal breaker, using that for camera controls hadn't become a standard yet, even the few that did would usually only turn it left and right and not be full camera control. I actually really like holding the Dreamcast controller, its deep grooves in the back are really comfy on my hands. My only complaint is there not being any rubber on the stick and how it can twist in place a bit, makes it feel a little cheap.

Picrel is the worst controller Ive ever used, the Apple Pippin. Probably the worst D-pad ever manufactured. I couldn't walk in a straight line in Marathon to save my life I always always drifting to the left or right slightly. It also just feels like shit in general.

>>11867303
Second worst goes to the Atari 2600 joystick. I don't think many people born after its relevancy have actually used one, or have just used aftermarket controllers, because if they have it would definitely be in the discussion of bad controllers more often than almost never. For those who don't know, that stick does not move. At all. It really looks like it should, especially with that cupped, rubber base, but it doesn't budge an inch. Moving it is more of a suggestion than anything.

>>11865096 (OP)
It just looks so unprofessional, like it was homebrew.

>>11867260
I've done that mod and it didn't just werk until I applied copper tape to the resistive pads. Good N64 stick replacements are readily available here https://store.kitsch-bent.com/collections/replacement-parts/products/n64-joystick-repair-kit

>>11865096 (OP)
Its the only controller where my thumb gets a massive cramp after an hour, it almost feels like a sprain. Before than I can still have fun but the spinning stick is weird.
N64 is really bad too, my knuckles get stuck between the prongs and my thump keeps slipping off the stick.

>>11865226
D pad about as bad as n64, buttons kind of hard to press, they sort of tilt inside the casing when you press them, it makes them feel spongy.

>>11867017
I saw that on CSI, I think it was on a talk show like Oprah or Dr Phil as a man pack or something. I never really saw Ps2 mentioned much apart from Ali G, maybe it was too cliche. Roseanne was the only show I saw that mentioned SNES by its real name.

>>11867312
It could potentially be good with a microswitch mod, the shape is good but the stick is too stiff by design. I've tried to improve mind by putting spacers between the contact pads and it did fix it a lot but playing platformers is not really possible for more than 5 minutes. The problem is flexible plastic is used as the spring to centre it, that part should be removed and centred by the microswitches. Its still ok for frogger type stuff, just not anything that you need to hold a direction for long.

>>11867303
Reminds me how Amstrad Gx4000 pads are not that bad but barely anyone would know.

>>11867312
I don't know why are people shitting on this controller so much nowadays. I remember not liking it much when I got my Atari, I got 3rd party ones to replace it, but in the end I went back because of reliability. Other controllers would malfunction too much.
I agree that going from playing at the arcades to playing at home was a huge difference in responsiveness but the controller did it's job.
Is this one of those things where new people years after the fact just enjoy shitting on old things or was it really that bad?

>>11865096 (OP)
Atari 5200 controller was WAY worse.

>>11865226
Wouldn't call that mainstream.

>>11867604
I'm an old fuck and never liked the damn thing. I would often go out of my way to find games that used the old paddle controllers or something else just because it was more fun to play with a controller that was more responsive. I would really like to know why they went with a joystick that doesn't move as opposed to a normal one.

>>11865096 (OP)
Nintendo is the king of shitty mainstream controllers

>>11865096 (OP)
>fewer buttons than saturn
>terrible concave stick
>terrible d-pad
>xbox hueg for no reason other than supporting the gimmicky VMU
>wired from the bottom (????????)
yeah it's trash

>>11866690
DAMN.

>>11865431
>>11866690

lol rekt

>>11865431
Literally the only good thing about it is that its next to impossible to drift.

>>11865146
I honestly think people underrate the VMUs extremely hard with this controller. It certainly wasn't the best controller out there, but for some games like crazy taxi it felt extremely satisfying. Then the VMU came in with shit like being able to see your health in RE:CV without needing to pause the game, though sadly a lot of games didn't utilize it very well and the watch battery shit was annoying if you wanted to play shit like the chao minigame. Was still a neat idea since we didn't really get the pocketstation, and I still would prefer it to come back vs all the stupid "speaker in the controller" shit we would get later.
>>11866926
This anon is correct, though the jaguar is up there for me in terms of shitty controllers that kinda sorta actually function. I envy people who haven't had to deal with how shitty some controllers have actually been.

>>11869504
>I honestly think people underrate the VMUs extremely hard with this controller. It certainly wasn't the best controller out there, but for some games like crazy taxi it felt extremely satisfying. Then the VMU came in with shit like being able to see your health in RE:CV without needing to pause the game, though sadly a lot of games didn't utilize it very well and the watch battery shit was annoying if you wanted to play shit like the chao minigame. Was still a neat idea since we didn't really get the pocketstation, and I still would prefer it to come back vs all the stupid "speaker in the controller" shit we would get later.
I wish homebrew titles did more with it to be perfectly honest

>>11865096 (OP)
I wasn't sure until I played through Armada, which has accelerate mapped to the shitty should button. It would be extremely painful.