>American retro computer
>the entire modern homebrew scene is European
This happened more times than you would expect.

For the longest time I thought the Commodore 64 and Amiga were european.

>>11867208
They're not? I never cared enough about those things to look that up

>>11867218
Commodore was an American company founded in Canada with headquarters in the Bahamas.

Well yeah, demoscene autism is generally eurocentric.

And than they will call them shit computers and whatnot despite us liking computers that were made by them

>>11867208
Amiga was German for a little while, after Commodore went bankrupt and Escom bought it (who went bankrupt too just a year later)

>>11867509
>bankrupt
Didn't they just shut down operations after assembling the remaining leftover stock? I vaguely remember that Escom was only supposed to be a temp holding company for clearing out inventory, not a successor.

>>11867512
No, they did went bankrupt.
But it wasn't because of Amiga stuff.

>Escom agierte im PC-Markt als aggressiver Niedrigpreisanbieter, mit chronisch niedrigen Margen und daher hohem Risiko. Der entscheidende Einbruch passierte zum Weihnachtsgeschäft 1995, als man als scheinbares Schnäppchen größere Mengen von Intel-Pentium-Prozessoren mit 75 MHz einkaufte und sie sich für Weihnachten auf Lager legte. Da die Konkurrenz aber zu nur geringfügig höheren Preisen schon PCs mit 90 MHz Taktfrequenz anbieten konnte, blieb Escom auf den Lagerbeständen sitzen, was sich als fatal erwies.
>Problematisch war die Beteiligung am Joint Venture European Monitors Ltd. für die Produktion von Computermonitoren zusammen mit dem taiwanischen Unternehmen Tystar mit Fabrikationsstätte in Schottland ab Mai 1992, der Monitore mit einer sehr hohen Fehlerrate produzierte ... Die Lagerbestände dieser Ketten – insbesondere die der britischen – waren bezogen auf den Umsatz außerordentlich hoch und verursachten entsprechende Verluste. Diese Verluste zusammengenommen bedeuteten für Escom das Ende.

>>11867207 (OP)
People are still writing and releasing games for the spectrum, a lot of them are pretty good.

>>11867218
What the fuck are you doing on aretro board if you don;t give a fuck about the most icoic 8 and 16 bit gaming platforms? Why are you even here?
>>11867502
>And than they will call them shit computers and whatnot despite us liking computers that were made by them
What the fuck are you on about? Sounds like /pol/ damaged your brain.

European and US retro coders and systems hobbiests have more in common with each other and more frenships than the /pol/tard normie puke on display in this thread we were not all squirming xenophobic little retards you see.

>>11867523
Ah so they made some shitty decisions which fucked up their finances.

>>11867502
>And than they will call them shit computers and whatnot despite us liking computers that were made by them
Its hard for me to even imagine how stupid you are and just how nasty the inside of your brain is. Thankfully people like you made zero contribution to any retro system or software and never will. You should shut the fuck up and just enjoy the products of better people than you silently. What you think the digitao computer just was shat out of USA USA USA or JAPAN JAPAN JAPAN and you have to wank on about your retarded perception of the world. Get a fucking life.

>>11867509
At this point Commodore has been "Dutch" longer than the original company existed (the computer side that is), but that's split between like 3 companies as well? Escom's Dutch arm/Commodore B.V. which didn't go bankrupt, Tulip Computers that did go bankrupt and Yeahronimo/Commodore International Corporation that took over the rights from Tulip. The latter then started and failed some American business venture, renamed itself and parked the rights entirely at the Dutch comapny which renamed itself twice as well (but just the 1 tradename apparently) which is followed by the founder of that Dutch company buying a Hong Kong based subsidiary and using that to make another Dutch company to park the license and sell it again to a company that renamed itself 3 times after they won a lawsuit against the Hong Kong subsidiary they bought.

We weren't flooded with revival products here, so at this point I'm beginning to think it's just a very poor attempt at money laundering.

>>11867527
>>11867524
you immediatly will shit on euros the moment microcomputers are mentioned
OI ME SPECCY and such, how many times do Amiga get shit upon (despite no being european)?

>>11867558
I love both the amiga and the atari st and the spectrum and others like the bbc micro atari 400/800 and oric 1 and the trs80 I've written listings for all of them

your're brain is fucked I've also been friends with most of the major systems board designers. Seriously you actually need help the like of /pol/ has destroyed yoru fucking mind with this xenophobia bullshit. None of the people who made these systems would want a prick like you using them

Cheap microcomputers just weren't appealing to Americans (C64 notwithstanding.) IBM clones were massively more expensive, but were much better at actual productivity so people would splurge on them.

European computers were glorified game consoles with cassette interfaces.

>>11867623
>European computers were glorified game consoles with cassette interfaces.
>>11867620
>Seriously you actually need help the like of /pol/ has destroyed yoru fucking mind with this xenophobia bullshit. None of the people who made these systems would want a prick like you using them

>>11867620
>Pol pol pol
Is this your best excuse for a fact? I haven't been on pol for more than 10 years

>no homebrew or demoscene in USA
American kids cant program, simple.as.

>>11867696
American kids aren't programming toys

Amercans became very gay and shit really when milennials came along

>>11867696
What was the market like in the USA?
Could you just go to a Walmart and pick up a home computer?

Here in Germany, you could buy a C64 even in an Aldi.

>>11867721
In the 90s? You could buy PC clones in pretty much every store with an electronics section by then (including Walmart). Amiga wasn't sold in toy stores here like the C64 was because Commodore wanted it to be a LE SERIOUS MACHINE and it was actually pretty rare (usually only specialty computer stores had one).

Most of the time, there'd be one family computer everyone would use. I was pretty lucky as a kid that my dad had been doing PC shit since the mid-80s because I got hand-me-down machines whenever he upgraded.

>>11867310
I'm an american but this is a cool thing, let the redcoats have this one

>>11867731
I'm so fucking bored of millenial american jingoists wanking themselvesoff for being born in American. You're a shower of worthless tools. I'm old enough to remeber when the USA did not have a generation of worthless useless bittchy flag licking cunts inserted in it. Imagine being so fucking thick you think technology like processor based devices had geograpical boundaries in development or knowledge between Europe Jaoana nd teh US in the last 50 years. Imagine being that scummy little biggoted half with dipshit waving his stupid fucking flag like a prick. (you). You were not even alive, you have no idea what you are talking about at all. 8 Bit computers were everywheer loeading from tape and my American friens had them two, TRS 80s and others.

What a worthless cunt the asshole raised onn this pathetic site are no matter where they go or what they talk about its my fucking flag USA USA UISA or some other petty ridiculous wank

Fuck this site and fuck your generation of loosers, you've =created nothingm done nothing and dragged the USA into your sewer

>>11867880
Euros are the ones who somehow can never shut the fuck up about European

>>11867893
Name five lol

>>11867880
bro I just answered a question about buying computers in the 90s, what's your deal?

Which American computers do NOT have a following in Europe? Tandy computers? Maybe TRS-80 Model 1 (it is not very interesting and Commodore PET already exists for text-only software), but I'm not so sure about Color Computer models as they were partially compatible with British Dragon 32 computers.

>>11867914
Apple II probably. There were a few fans in Euroland but most Euros considered them too expensive to bother with. In the US, they were either exclusively owned by dads doing business shit or dads wanting to connect their computers up to a ham radio.

Europeans loves their jankslop garish games

I also don't think that Europeans care about TI-99/4A. If you want to scratch a similar itch, MSX has an identical video chip and similar enough audio specs, except it doesn't have that weird 16-bit CPU which thinks that it is a full sized minicomputer.

>>11868165
I don't even think Americans care about the TI-99/4A desu

Other than being nominally 16-bit, it was a complete flop and annoying to work with.

>>11868238
There is an aftermarket graphics chip replacement for TI-99/4A called F18A which highly boosts computers's visual capabilities, and from time to time new games get released with F18A support.

>>11867207 (OP)
americans were smart enough to move to ibm pc.
europoors clinged to shitty micros like ticks.

>>11868346
they weren't
pc gaming was bigger in europe too

americans only got into pc gaming because of WoW and 360 port slop

>>11867880
>anon answers a simple question on what the computer market was like back then
>goes on a rant about americans for no fucking reason
Unironically obsessed

>>11868346
I wish, I'd be able to talk about older games more. As it stands, it's quite clear the majority of them got a PC (or worse, crApple) around the millenium and weren't exactly adventurous in their choices of software.

>>11867880
America is full of retards but Europe is full of cucks who get arrested for making xitter posts about their brown invaders so I’d rather be here.
Also no one cares about the trash-80 lol, literally worse than spectrum-tier

>>11868275
Does Realms of Antiquity support the F18A? It's one of the newer TI-99/4A games I know of.

>>11868387
I can do that just fine. Are you allowed to threaten your head of state or try to pick a fight with some fat influencer without being arrested? Can't really be a free country if you get arrested for that.

>>11868348
id software, apogee and epic megagames, among others, brought life to the ibm pc.
sadly, console peasants were more numerous and it makes sense, since consoles have a lower barrier of entry.

>>11868364
vr is full of zoomers console babies now.

>>11867880
Jesus, dude.

>>11868413
No, the game only requires 1MB RAM expansion card and two disk drives.

>>11867880
Bad day?

>>11867623
I hope nobody has legitimate nostalgia for 1980s era IBM PC "games." The worst version of ports with BEEP BEEP pc speaker "sound effects" or worse "music."

>>11868348
Shareware was America's PC gaming until Half-Life dropped.

>>11868553
Thanks for proving that Americans know shit about PC gaming.

I never understand why you zoomies and consolebabies need to talk about things you know nothing about.

>>11867207 (OP)
NTA, but name five Americans who can never shut the fuck up about being American.

>>11868602
Meant to reply to >>11867895

>>11868602
what a stupid fucking picture

>>11868626
don't be too hard on the onions kids, their brains are still developing

Man, this thread blows.

>>11867207 (OP)
because Americans had access to the NES so didn't have to make do with a PC.
most Nintendo homebrew you'll find is American (and Japanese) for this reason.

>>11867713
it's a generation of europhiles, they grew up thinking George Bush was the devil and that we deserved 9/11. Why do you think they're all faggy libertarian socialist fuckwits? because they're in love with the image of what the EU was like in the 90s as sold to them by movies and TV shows.

>>11868348
Americans had a higher rate of PC ownership than anywhere in the world until the the 2010s. There's a reason why 11/12 big tech companies were founded in and are based in the USA.

>>11870312
That makes 0 sense as barely any of them even attempt to move there. Just seems like some directionbrained boogeyman shit.

>>11870327
nobody actually wants to live in Europe if they can help it, it's the IDEA that they love. that's why they vote to bring European politics here. socialised healthcare, abolition of borders, normalising sexual degeneracy, all-consuming hatred of capitalism. It's all stuff Euros used to brag about 30 years ago, I remember it.
>oh we only work four days a week, we have 2 hour lunch breaks and 5 weeks of PTO, we don't have to pay for college of medicine, we can smoke weed and fuck prostitutes and it's totally legal, we all sit outside cafes drinking $10 coffees and smoking cigarettes debating the finer points of gramscian redistributionism
blah blah. Now I have to live with that shit here too.

>>11870349
So they are europhiles that don't want to live in europe and dream of implementing a very ill informed conservative mocking "idea" of Europe into the US? Anything but look inward, I suppose.

>>11870361
millennials are indeed a sad and pathetic generation, yes. All of them live in some form of fantasy realm.

>>11870369
Case in point.

>>11870373
this entire website exists because of millennials wanted to escape into a fantasy of Japan being an anime utopia

>>11870312
>europhiles
>libertarian
Anon, I...

>>11870392
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

>>11870390
Ok, but that's not the point in that case so to speak.

>>11870449
yeah it is, my point is millennials are obsessed with escapism. when it comes to media, they wish they were Japanese. when it comes to politics, they wish they were European.

>>11870468
Your point is entirely irrelevant to my point, so that's not the "case in point" that I mention. Basic reading comprehension. Conversations aren't one-way in case you didn't know that yet.

>>11870498
you had no point. you just said you didn't understand what I was trying to say and that you didn't believe me.

>>11870570
Case in point again. I assume you blame the Soviet Union for your crappy reading comprehension?

>>11867880

>>11870315
what do pcs in an office have to do with pc gaming?

>>11870468
millennials are very split on their views of Japanese media as demonstrated by the multitude of millennial journos and their audience who seethe about how gross and problematic it is, zoomers are much closer to a pro-anime consensus

>>11868413
Speaking of Realms of Antiquity, that game, a modern Ultima-like RPG for an expanded TI-99/4A, was developed by a person from the state of Washington. Meanwhile, Nox Archaist, a similar modern Ultima-like RPG for Apple //e was developed by a company located in Wisconsin. Meaning that, as far as Ultima clones are concerned, TI and Apple are safe from European colonization.

>>11870974
Don't think those games are made by Indians (either form), so ultimately they are still colonized by euros.

Meanwhile, a Finnish programmer ported Ultima 2 and 3 to Commodore VIC-20 this year.

>>11867207 (OP)
jack tramiel wanted to give his home country (poland) computers while also dominating the market. planned worked out well and they sold a lot of these 8bit things over there.
>>11871006
aleksi is an excellent programmer.

>>11870303
>because Americans had access to the NES
entire world had access to nes
>so didn't have to make do with a PC.
why even make this up? everyone knows it's a lie. computers sold in their millions in the usa during the 1980s. you're just making shit up.
>most Nintendo homebrew you'll find is American (and Japanese) for this reason.
i've been using the nes for 35+ years and very few "homebrew" titles i've seen are from america. most of the "homebrew" stuff, on unlicensed on carts - not hex edited slop uploaded to your favourite tranny nes site, were from places like hong kong, china, taiwan and even fucking australia. usa was way at the bottom of the list. remember that christfag slop? and that action 42 or whatever it was? LMAO. quality stuff, america. you fucking hacks. americans are a strange retard species. got destroyed by the japanese and so fuck it. let's just make up the rest about history to make america look good. dumb as fuck flex.

>>11873253
Somehow I never connected Atari being big in Poland with Jack Tramiel focusing on his country of birth. Totally makes sense if you think about.

>>11868238
TI-99/4A was not a flop, they nearly sold 3 millions of computers. The issue was that they were losing hundreds of dollars on each sold machine, as Texas Instruments were constantly bullied by Commodore to drop the price lower and lower to compete with VIC-20 and then C64. They were planning to release a next gen computer, but pulled the plug on the whole 99 ecosystem before it was ready. Eventually the tech was sold to Tomy, the toy manufacturer, and released as Tomy Tutor.

>>11873253
>>11873321
it was pretty much the only computer on the market in PL before 1989, although it was sold for dollars in hard-currency stores

>>11873676
That was on TI getting jebaited into Tramiel's race to the bottom, instead of building upon the TI-99/4A's strengths (it was a far better design than its competitors, unfortunately TI virulently hated 3rd parties, especially hobbyist programmers).

>>11873906
>unfortunately TI virulently hated 3rd parties, especially hobbyist programmers).
Sadly a common thing back then. Atari should have nuked the competition with Atari 800 in 1979, given how massively more capable it was compared to other computers at the time, yet they deliberately kept advanced documentation as a company secret until around 1981, since Warner Communications wanted to completely control the software on their computer, just like they controlled all cartridges on their game console. Something similar was going on at Tandy, who wanted to keep a monopoly on TRS-80 software at Radio Shack retail stores.

>>11868552
t. born on 2005

tacka tacka!