Daily reminder that if this was the N64's controller it would've sold twice as much as it did and Nintendo would've sold enough N64 units to keep Rare.
>The ZL and ZR buttons are behind the L and R buttons.
>Uses NES controller connectors (The Super NES needed to do the same thing).
>Built in rumble.
>While not Controller related; Making sure every cartridge game has built in storage, meaning no Memory Pak, in fact, no controller expansion pack period.

>>11868841 (OP)
>no controller expansion pack period
this alone would have killed the console. do you have any idea how many n64s were sold on the back of the pokémon stadium games alone? without pokémon transfer ability, no one would have cared.

>>11868841 (OP)
The N64's biggest problem was that Nintendo alienated all third-party developers of note so their console had no games. Nobody was going to buy an N64 for an improved controller and no games to use it with. Nintendo only had to swallow their pride and admit that CDs were the future.

The Saturn… is saved!

>>11868851
Uses it's own cable or better yet, has the Game Boy slot built into the cartage like the Wide Boy, except it uses real Game Boy Color hardware and can play more then just Pokémon.
>>11868858
8X CD drives were $200 dollars alone back in 1996, if they were $50 in 1994 (where the N64 started development) the N64 would've been a CD system.

>>11868841 (OP)
The handles are too short, the start/select buttons are too far in, and replacing the C buttons is just worse.
>to keep Rare
Nintendo didn't "lose" Rare.
The Stampers auctioned off Rare expecting Nintendo to pay up, and Nintendo didn't want to play ball.

>>11868841 (OP)
Why would Nintendo want to keep Rare? By the time the Gamecube released, they had already lost the plot.

>>11868875
the only good game rare ever made was on the gamecube, though.

>>11868869
Nintendo's investors forced Nintendo to sell their portion of the company to Microsoft because the N64 only did well in western countries, The Stampers soon followed.

As if the N64 did better in Japan (as in double of what it did) Nintendo would've been allowed to buy the Stamper's half of Rare.

>>11868875
Improved GameCube sales.
>>11868869
GameCube says hi, but with more buttons and a normal layout for the face buttons.

>>11868841 (OP)
Daily reminder that if N64 had DVD with GTA3 on launch it would have sold 6 brazillion units

>>11868882
Rare made two good games and they were both on SNES

>>11868859
Slick bastard ruining the n64's design so he can save the Saturn, what a mastermind.

>>11868903
nah, the one good game they made was star fox adventure. it was also the only good star fox game

>>11868841 (OP)
Yet another retard filtered by the N64 controller.
>>11868867
A key point of using the transfer pak is that each player could have their own to battle and trade between carts in Stadium. You're a fucking retard and probably a zoomer who has never touched an N64 in his life

Yeah. An increase in profit almost always leads to a loss of sovl. Did you just start gaming last week?

>>11868909
>the one good game they made was star fox adventure
Which furry youtuber gave you this opinion?

>>11868961
A link cable port would've been on the cartridge.

>>11868978
You're such a fucking retard. Fuck off

No fucking game would have used the second analog stick

>>11868982
Mario 64 could have used it, then it would have actually had a camera that wasn't shit

>>11868992
/vr/ is not the place for you, zoomer

>>11868982
Goldeneye, the Turok trilogy, Duke Nukem 64, Doom 64, Star Wars Episode I: Racer, Sin and Punishment, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Banjo Tooie and Perfect Dark will like to have a word with you.

It would've also help Mario 64, both N64 Zeldas and Banjo Kazooie as well.

>>11869017
You can already use dual analog in GE and PD. You would know this if you weren't a zoomer

>>11869018
Yes, but you would've only needed 1 controller.

why do you remind me of this daily? like, why do i need to remember it? what happens if i forget?

>>11869024
You're right anon, that would have definitely made the N64 sell more than the PS1

>>11869032
For that to happen the N64 needed a CD drive, and 8X CD drives cost $200 dollars back in 1996 which is why Nintendo stuck to carts.

>>11869053
Nintendo being cheap and picking profits over fun games for their customers led to their alienation and humiliation

>>11869053
>if the N64 was the PS1 then it would've outsold the PS1

>>11868851
That could be accomplished with a standalone device.

>>11868841 (OP)
Just don't piss off Sony and release the SNES CD as a flop instead of the Virtual Boy.
Then it's free real estate for the N64.

>>11869065
Transfer paks are a far cheaper alternative, and then also allows for other paks such as the rumble and controller paks. Why is this so difficult to understand?

>>11869053
you're more autistic than OP

>>11869068
How is a transfer pak that plugs into the controller cheaper than a transfer pack that plugs into the control port?

>>11868841 (OP)
Uh but what about LE SOVL or something

>>11868841 (OP)
Wow, that looks like ass!

>>11869104
How the fuck are you going to trade/battle between four people if the transfer pak takes up its own controller slot?

>>11869113
It's a pass through. Controller plugs into the pak, pak plugs into the console.

>>11869113
It's own link cable port.

>>11868841 (OP)
If you think the controller had any noticeable affect on Nintendo profit during this time you are clinically retarded. The PS1 didnt even have one analog stick why would it matter.

>>11868841 (OP)
>hindsight is 20/20
Daily reminder you would never be in a position to make any of these decisions and should just put the fries in the bag already.

>>11869162
I love trying to picture what your average zoomie would be like trying to come up with design solutions that were needed before they were even born. I wouldn't be surprised at the number of them who wouldn't even know how to rewind a cassette tape, let alone fix it if it comes loose, and they think they could have fixed all of the problems of the yesteryear. Only a handful of them even know how to drive stick, but they're always expert engineers.

This is what nintendo should have done to beat the PlayStation: Make an SNES, but better i.e. create the PlayStation before Sony does.

>>11869168
>...unlike me. I'm very mature for my age!

>>11869158
>link cable
The whole point is you don't even need a GB to use a transfer pak, retard

>>11869168
>I can drive a manual car, therefore I'm an expert on everything!
Why are carbrained americans so insecure and moronic?

>>11869168
You self-hating pickmes trying to appeal to the old geezers on this board are fucking pathetic. Listen, when you grow up you won't be glorifying being a grownup like you're doing now.

>>11869178
>>11869182
>>11869193
Nah, I'm just tired of seeing this topic. The N64 controller is like kryptonite for anyone who started with the 6th gen or later. My point was that the answers they come up with rely on both the technological advances that have happened since then, and the knowledge that would not have existed before the issue came up. I was replying to a post about 20/20 hindsight, but maybe I'm just too old and can't see clearly through my glaucoma. Is it time for Matlock yet?

>>11869193
I'm a millennial and I love being a "grown-up", and I can't wait to get older

>>11869217
Sure thing bud nobody hated the n64 controller back in its day, we all said wow this really adapts to the needs of modern gaming as we know it, definitely nobody thought it was a retarded piece of shit only good for getting blisters

>>11869053
>>11868897
What it N64 improvement are texture ram and iomega make zip cartridge media

>>11868851
they could have just built that into the cartridge
pokemon stadium wasnt a system seller anyway

>>11869225
The only people who hated it were retards who never actually used one

>>11869232
The whole point is that each player could use their own transfer pak + cart, moron

>>11869225
Most games weren't Mario Party. You could have gone with the stick wearing out easily but you kinda outed yourself. There were detractors but it didn't get anywhere near as much hate as it does now from revisionists seething decades later.

>>11869243
You are more aware of popular opinion now thanks to social networking. What was your reference pool in the 90s? Mine was me because I fucking hated it.

>>11869251
>What was your reference pool in the 90s? Mine was me because I fucking hated it.
Mine was knowing people that weren't you?

>>11869251
Did you actually own an N64, anon? Or are you just seething over missing out on playing some of the greatest games of all time? Be honest

>>11868841 (OP)
>zr button
wut

>>11869067
Interesting idea. String Sony along just enough so they don't release a competing console.

>>11869239
nobody ever did that, especially because it was never necessary
when I played with friends at their houses they already had their teams registered and I registered the ones I wanted to use, or vice versa at my house
nobody was lugging their transfer pak around places so everyone could have their gb carts plugged in all at once

>>11869225
>this really adapts to the needs of modern gaming as we know it
nobody said faggot shit like that back then
I dont know a single person who got blisters from the stick either, we all heard stories of people who did it playing spin minigames in Mario Party but we just laughed at those idiots for lacking basic sense
all of the weird hate for the N64 controller is a modern zoomer thing

>>11869360
You had dumb, boring friends

>>11869364
see all you're really doing is outing yourself as a zoomer who wasnt there and doesn't know what they're talking about
zero people ever played Pokémon stadium the way you describe, there was no benefit to everyone plugging in their gb carts all at once, and really no issue with taking turns registering teams on a single transfer pak.
everyone plugged in rumble paks during battles anyway so literally what the fuck are you babbling about?
this is all leaving aside the fact that most of the time we were playing more fun multiplayer games during get-togethers anyway, like goldeneye or mariokart or battletanx or some shit. especially if 3 or more people were there.
you larping zoomers stick out like a sore thumb and this will never change.

>>11869371
Projection

>>11869371
Ironic since this thread was made by a zoomer who has clearly never held an N64 controller, fuck off

>>11869239
Explain in detail what the advantage of ever doing this would have been.

>>11869382
>p-proje-
I accept your concession, zoomie. Better luck next thread.

>>11868841 (OP)
>>Uses NES controller connectors (The Super NES needed to do the same thing).

there is literally no practical reason to do this.

The PSX had two analog sticks and nobody knew what to make of them. Only a handful of games really use both (and for most of them it was optional) and they were mostly very late 90's and 00's games.

So, daily reminder that anyone talking like adding a second analog to the N64 or even the Dreamcast would have made games better is a retard applying 00's logic to the 90's with zero knowledge of the actual context of the 90's. Many such cases.

>>11869939
this, idk op sounds like a skill issue on your end.
tank controls are based

>>11869939
>Only a handful of games really use both (and for most of them it was optional)
It wasn't a core controller, it was an additional peripheral. Developers had to account for players using the OG controller, or they needed to sacrifice them as an install base. Even the stuff that came out after the new controller had to basically conform to what came before it.
>So, daily reminder that anyone talking like adding a second analog to the N64 or even the Dreamcast would have made games better is a retard applying 00's logic to the 90's with zero knowledge of the actual context of the 90's. Many such cases.
Absolutely right, though if any of the controllers managed to put dual sticks into their default controller, they would have been able to make it work sooner.

>>11869931
More data pins.
>>11869939
Ape Escape says hi.

>>11868841 (OP)
>Take the worst analog stick ever made
>Add another one
N64 SAVED

>>11869225
>obody hated the n64 controller back in its day
Nigger I got handed that thing and i thought I was holding an alien dildo.

>>11869243
It was fucking bad. The stick was actually a good concept horribly executed, all the wear surfaces are shitty cheap plastic and the thing scrapes itself apart. It already felt shitty enough, it feels like a kids toy.

>>11868841 (OP)
Nah, I disagree. The real design was more interesting to kids. We loved the N64 controllers, we didn't have fancy dual stick PS2 controllers at the time to really even know what we were missing even if you did prefer those more.

>>11868841 (OP)
This has to be the most underage thread I've seen on this board and that's saying a lot. Zero acknowledgment of any historical context, all hindsight judgment.

>>11870005
Dumb zoomer
>>11870007
Braindead retard
>>11870013
>it feels like a kids toy
Anon...

>>11868961
NTA, but I've got a large physical N64 collection, and play it oddly regularly. I preface this before stating that the controller is worthless dogshit in every way conceivable, and you're a gormless faggot begging for a (YOU). You eat shit with a smile, and I can see the chunks of corn in your teeth. If you're unable admit fault in things you love then (YOU) will forever remain a stunted man-child.

The controller has no redeeming factors outside of supposed accuracy, but the sticks were made of pure fucking plastic and turn to dust. It's like a steering wheel made of playdough.

I invested in some Horipad Mini 64 controllers because when I play games I'd rather not want to put a bullet in my mouth when it belongs between your eyes. It doesn't help that all the modern replacements (like the fucking Brawler Pad) are built like fucking shit and give terrible inputs.

>>11870214
You're obviously lying/trolling/whatever so I'm not even going to bother with a proper response, fuck off

>>11869990
he did say a handful of games made use of them, retard

>>11870214
I played my N64 nearly daily from late 96 to mid 2001 and never had an issue with the analog stick "turning to dust"
I knew kids who had like one controller with a shitty floppy analog stick because they treated their stuff like shit

>>11870221
Not a troll. Enclosed is proof. You started by talking like a raging faggot, don't be surprised when people return the favour.

You seem like a simple bitch, so I've enclosed instructions on how you can respond.

>>11868841 (OP)
>Let's save *Le sixty-four*!!
>Xbox controller but with the most low quality and garbage analog stick ever made! but now is not one but TWO!!!
>:D
My man, kill yourself.

>>11870221
NTA but you should kill yourself.

>losing the 6 button layout that every game took advantage of in favor of a second analog stick that literally nobody would know what to do with until the next console generation
nah, the N64 controller could be improved but just turning it into a 90's 360 controller is retarded

>>11870338
I saw this image in a thread last month lol you are fucking lying

>>11870319
I've got some spares with good sticks, but frankly, I'd rather not use them when there's alternatives (Like the Horipad Mini 64) with better ergonomics (for most games, there are exceptions, like Mischief Makers where it's not ideal) and a better stick design.

By the nature of the official N64 controller's construction, they will deteriorate, but it doesn't have to be at a crazy rate if they're treated with care. I'd also say that from what I've been able to gleam, it wasn't the biggest issue at the time - I think it took years of poor use, and the plastics aging poorly accelarating things in the interim, but that's pure conjecture on my part. It doesn't help that a number of games are designed to kill them (namely Mario Party). On the subject of kids treating them like shit, I'd say that I expect better from Nintendo of the day - they built things to handle the abuse of a child. Everyone knows the story of the gameboy that survived a bomb, but they couldn't spring them extra dollar or less in manufacturing to make sure the controller could handle a kid spinning it too hard?

Putting all that aside, it's all excuses. No other analogue stick designs has had this problem (discounting the Switch being fucked). It is unique in how poorly it's designed. It's something I find ironic since I think that the actual console hardware itself ages incredibly well since it's mostly solid state, particularly the cooling. You'll find PS1, PS2, PS3, Xbox, Xbox 360 systems aging like fucking milk for many reasons.

>>11870363
>By the nature of the official N64 controller's construction, they will deteriorate,
I simply don't believe this is the case. Again, I used one controller for almost 5 years and never had any deterioration whatsoever.

>>11870353
Yeah, I don't think you did.

>Kill Yourself Faggot.
Don't make me tap the sign.

>>11868841 (OP)
As long as you stick to exclusives, there's no reason why you should dislike the N64 or Gamecube controller. Now if you try playing multiplats then it's a miserable experience. I remember buying Prince of Persia on GC, holy crap what a mistake that was, even if the visuals were 0.000001% better than PS2.

>>11870363
>keeping spare n64 controllers for their analog sticks
You realize the sticks are plug-and-play, right?

>>11870382
No, I keep them as controllers for when friends come over. When you're 3 drinks in, suddenly Mario Party 3 sounds like a good time.

Sadly, the replacement sticks aren't any good, only the OEM ones seem worthwhile. I've swapped in a few over the years and I've often felt like it wasn't even worth it. This includrs those shitty "GameCube style" ones. They 'feel' good, but they don't function well.

>>11870365
It's a matter of plastic on plastic. It's basic friction. This is why every other analogue stick (including those from Nintendo) has been made with metal. The strength and reliability are necessary.

I'm more than willing to believe you've played that much without issue, but arguing this point is like saying the Xbox 360 didn't have RROD issues because yours was fine.

There's a point where you have to look at the failure rates of the item compared to its contemporaries (from before and after), and say it has major, fundamental flaws. "Take care of your stuff," isn't an excuse other controllers have needed.

>>11870423
I think it's a matter of some youtuber said this shit five years ago and drones have parroted it ever since

>>11870432
Try and buy some used N64 controllers today. You'll find that the vast majority on sale are at least somewhat fucked. This isn't some YouTube shit, this is something you bump into by just trying to get more hardware.

Unless 80% of users were gumby, flipper-fingered retards, then I'd say that there's a trend.

My Switch's Joycons have never experienced drift. I got it in 2017. None of my friends have had drift on theirs either. You don't see me claiming YouTubers are spreading conspiracies about my Bing-Bing-Wahoo. I recommend you don't either. Don't worry, the Internet-man can't take away your childhood.

>>11870465
>You'll find that the vast majority on sale are at least somewhat fucked
Um, no? I have not found this to be the case at all.
I'm sorry anon, I just don't think what you're saying is some iron truth.

>>11869371
>Everyone had the exact same childhood experience as me

>>11870502
>no dude you dont get it people did shit that made no sense

>if the 6th gen was the 5th gen it would've been better
This reeks of zoomer.

>>11870562
Your experiences aren't universal regardless of what that other guy said. Stop being autistic

>>11870375
include me in the screencap

>>11870587
everyone i've ever spoken to about the old days has reported a similar experience (aside from cobtrarian faggots on 4chan), so i'm gonna go ahead and say you're wrong about that.

>>11869113
NTA but Pokemon games didn't even have double battles until Ruby/Sapphire, so what point would there have been in four players all having Transfer Paks? >>11869371 makes a good point, most people I knew as a kid just juggled one peripheral around for everyone to use because we were all kids and couldn't care less as long as it worked and we didn't have to shell out allowance. I think I knew exactly two people with Game Boy link cables out of the 20ish people I hung out with in elementary school, and they usually just let people use them during recess/after school.

>>11870375
Absolutely fucking based.

>>11868841 (OP)
You just made the Gamecube controller, wich was a generation ahead.

>>11870597
>Everyone that agrees with me said the same thing except for the people who don't but they don't count cause they don't agree with me
Autistic morons are so tiring.

>>11870779
>here's my retarded take on what I think you said
hey thanks
what i actually said is that the only people who have ever claimed a different experience are contrarian retards on this board
if everyone you ever meet says the same thing except for faggots on 4chan, and you actually believe the faggots on 4chan are being in any way truthful, you're irredeemably retarded

>>11870064
It was a bad controller anon. Interesting concept, pretty ahead of it's time stick technology but it felt and played bad, terrible ergonomics, etc. The N64 was powerful enough to do first person shooters well, one of the few things it that should have given it an advantage, but the controller completely ruined it and made them impossible to play.

>heh, I have redesigned an old controller, equipped only with my wits and 30 years of hindsight...
Just get good, and learn to use what they provided you with. It's a pretty good controller, in the first place.

>>11870917
you larping zoomer faggots could not be more obvious if you tried
brb though i'm gonna call up my friends from elementary school and congratulate them on doing the impossible by playing goldeneye and turok perfectly well at get-togethers for years

>>11870917
I love playing FPS games on the N64 controller. The longer neck of the stick feels like it gives you more precision.
People have to have actually played the system to know this though.

>>11870935
>C buttons for movement or look (no analog)
>Aim with left hand
>Shoot with left hand
It was actually horrible. It couldn't be done the other way either using the D-pad because that side has no A or B buttons, only a bumper. Controller is indefensible. Nobody who has used a proper controller likes this crap.

>>11871521
>controls are different to what I'm used to!
Oh no. You'll have to adapt. That's terrible.
Also, Goldeneye isn't even really designed for the free aim control schemes. You're supposed to run and gun, and stand still to pick your precise shots.

>>11870718
But with a few extra buttons and a normal layout.

>>11868841 (OP)

Can we have some kind of alternative history general containment thread, or would that make this board dead?

>>11870634
Confirmed for never having played Stadium

>>11868841 (OP)
>the n64 was held back by its controller
>not the fact that it came out two years after the competition, used cartridges even after it was clear optical media was the way forward, and developers were tired of dealing with nintendo's draconian policies and wanted to work with someone else

>>11868841 (OP)
>to keep Rare
Nintendo didn't want Rare, Rare went to Nintendo first and Nintendo said "nah".
Do you think Nintendo lost a bid war with Microsoft or some shit?

>>11868841 (OP)
Am I the only person in the world that really likes the N64 controller? I like how it looks and how it feels in your hand. I think it's the best controller of all time.

>>11871670
It's one of my favourites definitely, it does a fantastic job of what it set out to do, and it remains overwhelmingly the best way to play N64 games.

>>11871645
Nintendo's investors didn't want Rare because they were not Japanese, Nintendo wanted Rare because they wanted diversity, but because the N64 sold less then the Saturn in Japan their investors forced them to sell Rare off to Microsoft.

If the N64 sold doubled in Japan they would've been allowed to keep Rare.

>>11871551
It's a wonder why you don't see this except on the N64. Maybe because the controller sucked and this is a work around.

>>11871645
>Nintendo didn't want Rare
Imagine believing this. I bet they didn't want Square either. They just wanted to have no second party or third party developers and make a total of 20 games per console.

>>11871903
Square walked out due to the N64 not using CDs, but if 8X CD drives were cheaper back then the N64 would've outsold the PS1 as the N64 would've used CDs, granted they would've used CAV discs like the GameCube, Wii and Wii U and you couldn't play actual music CDs on them but it would've been a CD system.... Using a caddy that had it's own 4-16KB EEPROM chip (later 32KB-1MB) in the caddy so the caddy worked as a cartridge with a CD in it which can handle up to 8 layers (more then a DVD which only did 2) and was designed by Panasonic.

>>11871920
There's no Universe were Nintendo could have beaten Sony in price though or even come close to PS1 sales unless it released at the same time. PS1 was too perfect of a product for the time.

>>11868841 (OP)
I would never have bought an Nintendo 64 because its was an objectively inferior machine with no optical drive. It was never going to have a game with a soundtrack like wipeout because sony owned CDs. it really was that simple.

>>11870221
>You're obviously lying/trolling/whatever so I'm not even going to bother with a proper response, fuck off

>>11871521
confirmed for never having played Goldeneye. Autoaim was so strong in that game that you barely needed free look
regardless aiming and shooting with the left hand didnt feel weird because putting those things on the right hand hadn't become commonplace yet
zoomers, please go
>>11871584
no, that's you bud. that anon is describing exactly how most people played stadium

>>11871929
The PS1 got it's sales by stealing every third party from Nintendo, if Nintendo did use CDs the PS1 would've ended up like the 3DO.

>>11871975
Fucking this. If Nintendo did everything right and ran their business perfectly they would have beat Sony, so PS1's success isn't that impressive.

>>11870013
You know that the stick was modular, right? replacing them was piss easy if you had the parts and knowhow, some local game shops would even do it for a fee if they could get the modules. oh wait, >>11870382 beat me to it.
>>11870007
But the question is, did you then shove it up your ass?
>>11870024
Unfortunately thats almost every single controller discussion, especially the N64.
>>11870214
>The controller has no redeeming factors outside of supposed accuracy
It was designed to inherently support both 2d and 3d movement, optimally, on the base controller without the need of an additional peripheral like Sony would later create. That should be pretty simple to understand the merits of.
>>11870319
>>11870365
Nah, it happened, usually pretty gradually but like the other anon mentioned, friction was the main component. First party ones were notoriously known to wear down over the system's lifespan, especially once games like mario party came out. Some third party controllers didn't have that problem, so maybe you used those? Most were ass, but there were some pretty decent quality ones.
>>11871867
You're fucking retarded. It was the standard even for games like Medal of Honor.
>>11871974
NTA but disabling autoaim was pretty much required if you wanted to get consistent headshots without aiming. There absolutely were people who did that back then, especially for multiplayer, and especially if they weren't an oddjob/jaws scrub (I was usually one of said scrubs) manipulating height differences. They were rare, but the ones I knew were also quake players so it made sense.

>>11872165
I used only first-party controllers the entire span of years thr console was relevant and never had an issue.

>>11871969
>muh soundtrack
The mind of the snoy is fascinating. Gameplay is the most important aspect of a game, and F-Zero did what Wipeout was trying to do better.

>>11872179
Same here

>>11872179
Then congratulations? It was a very common issue that was well known at the time, again, especially after mario party. It was generally a gradual wear if you weren't a tard, but almost nobody had controllers that felt new unless they actually were. There was always at least a slight degradation as they were used. Only other thing I can think of besides being a larping faggot would be if you just experienced low deterioration and acclimatized to it to the point you didn't notice... but anyone who would play pretty much anything at a friends house (or on controllers they didn't own in general) would feel the ranges of desegregation the stick would undergo from normal use. With smash especially we'd always get into fights over who got the most taut controller.

>>11872219
>desegregation
Degradation. Sorry, long day I'm a tard.

>>11872219
>always
see, you keep using this word, when multiple anons have now confirmed that it doesn't apply.

>>11872228
With what? Again, I have tried to leave them room for their experiences to be valid, but they're literally trying to argue with how the controllers were designed. That doesn't "confirm" shit. fuck off.

>>11872231
>nooo your experience can't be true if it conflicts with my theory
yeah, like you said, you're a tard

>>11872234
oh dear.

>>11872219
>at the time
Confirmed for being a zoomer

>>11872245
>noooo if u disagree with my heckin theorinos u stupidino!
lmfao. retard

>>11872250
Why would I have to prove my age to you on an indonesian basket weaving forum?

>>11872165
>You're fucking retarded. It was the standard even for games like Medal of Honor.
It wasn't the standard anywhere. I place the blame for that one squarely on the retarded developers, they had access to dual analog sticks. That retarded scheme was a product of the N64 controller and stayed there for a reason.

>>11871975
Yeah but Nintendo released their console 2 years later. People who didn't buy both consoles were stuck playing the SNES for 2 additional years during the largest technological leap in gaming that changed forever how people played games at home on a massively popular and revolutionary new console so IDK how that would work. Nintendo something like halved it's console sales that generation over the previous one.

>>11871974
>It was actually good because you had to use autoaim on your competitive multiplayer FPS because the controller sucked and was limiting
Why are nintentards like this? There's a good case for relegating N64 as worst console of all time because of all the retarded but fanatic opinions about it based simply on having it as a kid and not being exposed to anything else.

>>11871975
Sony didn't "steal" anything, Nintendo treated third party devs like absolute shit and the moment a better option came along they decided to leave and go there instead.

>>11872753
Not an argument, N64 games continue to be the most well regarded of all time so get fucked

>>11872760
>N64 games continue to be the most well regarded of all time
Do we really want to die on this hill?

>>11872761
Try arguing that OoT isn't a good game, I dare you

>>11872761
>yet another goldeneye is actually le bad poster
sigh

>>11872759
Yes they did.
Third parties went to Sony because they had more space and was much easier to work with then the Saturn.
But speaking of Sony...
>>11872760
Crash and Spyro will like to have a word with you.

>>11872763
But the N64 has *the MOST well regarded* games of all time? Are we sure about this statement?

>>11872760
>N64 games continue to be the most well regarded of all time
By Nintendo fans, which means nothing.

>>11872773
As a proportion of library, probably

>>11872772
>Crash and Spyro
hahahahahahhaa

>>11872775
There might be a case for that because it had no gaems

>>11872774
>anyone who likes X only likes X because they're a person who lives X, so their liking X means nothing
huh

>>11872785
Nintendo fans live in a bubble, they overrate Nintendo games and mistakenly believe Nintendo invented everything in gaming because they rarely play anything else. The average person doesn't care about N64 games, but people who got stuck with one of those will pretend like the Flop64 was amazing while the PS1 was grabbing the industry by its balls.

>>11872781
Putting out a small number of games and having most of them be massively influential, stand the test of time, and continue to be highly regarded as some of the best games of all time, is actually pretty impressive

>>11872790
Your statement only really applies to SM64 and OoT.

>>11872789
Sony fans live in a bubble

>>11872790
Did it actually do that though? I would honestly somewhat disagree. Also are we saying the PS1 did not have massively successful or influential games? I would say it had more of those simply because it had more good games (but also more bad ones), but I would say that's irrelevant because you want to play more good games on your console.

What games on the N64 were truly that influential?

>>11872790
>massively influential, stand the test of time, and continue to be highly regarded as some of the best games of all time
Actually, Ocarina of Time is the only N64 game that meets all of these criteria. SM64 would, but the awful camera keeps the game from truly standing the test of time.

>>11872805
>awful camera
Confirmed zoomer

>>11872789
It's understandable honestly because some of the games are actually really great but they also only had 4 of them so they replayed them over and over again.

>>11872805
Mario 64 came out in 1996 though. There were already 3D platformers by then. Like Bubsy 3D which was pure ass but it still did it first.

>>11872746
The PS1 didn't come with dual analog sticks. That was a later controller that was introduced partway through the system's lifecycle. We already went over this.
>>11872789
>The average person doesn't care about N64 games
You will never be able to go back in time and relive the console wars that happened before you were born. Most people had favorite games on both systems, because they had great titles in their libraries.

>>11872807
Nope, I was blown away by SM64 when it debuted and think it's a mostly-excellent game, but that camera sucks and always did. Nintendo immediately moved away from that camera scheme after that for good reason.

>>11872810
>Most people had favorite games on both systems
Most people had a PS1 and saw no reason to bother with N64

>>11872809
I actually had to double check this, Mario 64 actually came out earlier than that game but I'm sure it wasn't the first 3D platformer. I'll still give Nintendo the benefit of the doubt on that game and say it's quite influential.

>>11872817
N64 sold most of its units in America.

It sold like garbage in the rest of the world. I've heard some countries that got shipped 10 copies of Zelda when it came out which got sold out on the first day. Nintendo was doing a horrible job.

>>11872820
Yeah, that might have been somewhat true about americans, that they had both consoles, but in the rest of the world the N64 was seen as a bit of a joke with no games. Especially in Europe, where Sega had previously reigned supreme.

>>11872789
Not true.

>>11872830
Where did I say anything about owning both? Nintenfags loved MGS just as much as the Sony camp loved OoT. It wasn't a matter of owning both, it was a matter of having access to both. I'm sorry that it just couldn't compete with the Speccy 128 at the time in your part of the world.

>>11872830
A lot of developers outside America got skillchecked by the N64.

>>11872834
yank mutt cope

>>11872864
No, Rare kept the N64 from having droughts.

>>11872880
Yes, the N64 flopped in Europe.

>>11872892
N64 sold 6.75 million units in Pal markets, more then what the Saturn got at 1.53 million units in Pal markets.

>>11872912
Correct, now post the PS1 numbers

>>11868841 (OP)
I'm convinced you're low IQ and should never breed if the N64 controller filters you. This has gone on too far. Literal children were using the controller no problem and you're a probably 30+ year old man still obsessing over how you're too stupid to hold a controller.

>>11872920
Nobody is saying they don't understand how to hold the controller, they're saying the design was fucking stupid. Notice that Nintendo themselves never reused it, nor their competitors. It's obvious that the two-pronged, dual-stick design was always superior.

>>11868909
Retard furry take. Old Rare was kino and the only good starfox game is 64

>>11872921
You're expecting one company to have hindsight for 3D games when all of it's competitors didn't?

>>11868841 (OP)

So, basically, the wavebird. You saved Rare, anon.

>>11868841 (OP)
>offset analog sticks
Would never have happened in the 90s.

>>11868841 (OP)
Shit & Piss wouldn't play so boring and bad in this case

>>11872921
They never reused it because technology advanced past it. Nintendo also has had an identity crisis with its controllers ever since. What a fucking stupid gotcha.

Better than the original!

>>11868841 (OP)
>Daily reminder
Shut the fuck up.

>>11874523
They're still making them, anon.

>>11875734
Who is still making what?

>>11876992
GameCube controllers.

>>11868841 (OP)
You forgot the six to eight buttons for fighting games, also Shigeru Miyamoto was jealous of Rareware's homemade chocolate factory in Leicestershire located near Nottingham so Nintendo sold Rareware to Microsoft so that they wouldn't make a real Zelda game that is not Star Fox Adventures.

>>11869939
this, death to zoomers

>>11877580
L & R say hi, thats how the Super Nintendo and 99% of consoles did it.

>>11877580
I think they made quite a lot of milk chocolate Easter eggs there in that old abandoned farm of there's that's South of Nottingham.

>>11869230
yes

>>11868992
The C buttons aren't the reason why SM64's camera isn't great sometimes. It's to do with the programming of it, with the collision detection and stuff. Some ROM hacks have a better camera.

>>11868978
So 3 link ports, for a total of 4 players?

The real issue with the N64 was the shitty memory bandwidth holding back its performance. It's possible that if the CPU and RCP could be allowed to be pushed to their limit, Square may have preferred it over the PS1 and stayed.

>>11869067
That's interesting, because given the trend of console add-ons in the '90s I agree it probably would have been a flop, or at least not as popular as they wanted. But then maybe Nintendo and Sony would have together made what we now know as the PS1, (or possibly even the N64 depending on release year), but released it as the PS2.

>>11869126
Sounds more expensive than a controller pak to me. In addition to what the transfer pak already had you need a plug and a socket, and a cable.

>>11869159
I bet the control stick added considerable cost to the N64 controller, and they probably didn't lube it to save money. Not sure how much a computer mouse cost in 1995/6, but that's basically what the N64 stick is, and the engineering of it is surprisingly precise. The PlayStation control stick was almost certainly cheaper and less complex. And it's bigger than the PlayStation controller with more buttons, so uses more plastic and more traces and stuff on the board. And it has that connector in the back.

>>11869171
This is true. The PS1 is the spiritual successor to the SNES. People like familiarity and are often resentful of change, especially the Japanese because they're slow life history strategists.

>>11870338
That filename is suspicious

>>11871670
I like it too. I have a Hori Minipad but I almost never use it. The original has way better shoulder buttons and Z for one thing. The Hori's stick is overly sensitive too.

>>11871920
I read that Square tested a 3D model on the N64 and were disappointed with the performance.

>>11878402
Laggy Rambus Ram is the reason, if Nintendo used SDRam it would've performed much better.

>>11872759
Why didn't the third party devs move to Sega during the Genesis era?

>>11869230
It would broke easier

>>11872820
I feel like it sold well in the UK. It's not hard to find an N64 here

>>11878416
Faster CPU.

>>11878410
Yeah it's a big shame. At least we can optimize N64 games now.
>>11878436
But the Genesis had a faster CPU?

>>11878445
>But the Genesis had a faster CPU?
Yes, 7.68MHz compared to Super NES's 3.58MHz.

>>11878393
The shoulder buttons on the hori pad (along with all modern third party n64 controllers) make zero sense and it just makes me think that everyone who designed all of them have never actually played an N64 game. R is aligned with L, then behind them Z is aligned with Z. This is despite over 90% of games using R/Z, and virtually no games using Z/L. Absolutely moronic

>>11878416
>Why didn't the third party devs move to Sega during the Genesis era?

Nintendo had a third party monopoly on the NES due to contract agreements that stated all third party published games would be third party exclusives. Due to the FTC cracking down on Nintendo, this contract was revised in like 1990-1991 or so, which allowed third party publishers to make games for competing consoles. Once that happened, publishers were making games for the genesis and SNES.

>>11868982
Even with a second analog stick many developers would never have thought to use it for camera controls. As far as the ps2 there are still weird ass games in 3d that don’t use the analog sticks at all and have obtuse camera controls like using the trigger buttons. When Mario 64 came out everyone was reinventing the wheel trying to figure out how THEIR 3d game would control. It wasn’t a solved issue yet. No consensus on what people expected.

>>11869251
NTA. The majority of my friends had a n64 not a ps1 and we had fun and no one complained. Some had both consoles and a select few only had ps1.

A guy on my block with the n64 had Mario 64 some snowboarding game, some wrestling stuff, and ocarina of time. We had a lot of fun. At my other friend house we played Mario tennis and that 4 player fantasy coop game. At another friends house it was Zelda again and Pokémon stadium. At another friends house it was starwars and super smash brothers. At another friends house he had goldeneye which he let me borrow. My friend max had perfect dark or some other shooter game. we all had fun and if I tried hard enough I can probably think of other people like my friend John who played Kirby 64 so we bonded over that. Lots of people had the n64. People here just get autistic about everything and overly opinionated about their thing being best.


I never had a ps1 and where I loved it wasn’t as common. But I was really impressed at the 2 or so houses where I saw one at games like final fantasy and metal gear solid 1.

>>11869939
Shit there are a bunch of ps2 games that don’t even use the analog sticks it makes no fucking sense

>>11870013
I had the same controllers last until the mid 2000s when I stopped using the n64 and that was like a decade dude. There is nothing about the n64 stick which is truly as flawed as weirdos try to make it sound because the fucking controllers nevertheless last longer than any modern controller you will find for any modern console. I never replaced a single one. Still have one of them today. Gave one to a friend. Loaned another out to a buddy and never asked for it back. Still have one I had that came WITH a the n64 and it works perfectly. I’m convinced people like you have something mentally wrong with them exaggerating things to such an absurd degree.

>>11878351
The ps1 controller compared to the n64 is totally soulless and is basically the antithesis of the n64 controller. Both are solid but I prefer the 64 controller

>n64 controller was visually interesting and looked like a game controller
>ps1 controller looked reliable but boring and looked more like something that would control a audio system or maybe some sort of RC plane
>n64 controller had lots of cool colors to choose from
>ps1 controller didn’t
>n64 controller seems somewhat experimental and creative, had two modes of use for games like Kirby 64 using dpad movement- felt solid in the hand in either mode
>ps1 controller could only be used one way and it was so small and fragile feeling it didn’t even feel good using it in its dedicated single mode also felt like it would break if you dropped it
>n64 controller had colored buttons
>ps1 everything was monochrome and sterile


the n64 controller is just a better controller as far as I’m concerned and I could write a lot about how everything else being equal the fucking ps1 and ps2 controllers were always too small especially for full grown adults not just fat ones but people in good shape with normal adult size hands. Visually it captures the imagination more and there is no way that a game like goldeneye on n64 would be anywhere as fun to play if you had to use the ps1 controller for it.


I like and respect the ps1 and ps2 but have always thought their controllers were the weakest of their respective generations. Even fucking Microsoft experimented more and went from the duke to the model s in a single generation giving you different form factors.

>>11868841 (OP)
This should be what their controllers look like even now. All it needs is the home button

>>11881246
Yes they would as Nintendo would've put in in their documents.

>>11868869
>and replacing the C buttons is just worse.
lol what? OP pic is basically a modern controller similar in shape to the Gamecube Wavebird but without the oddly shaped face buttons. Games for N64 would have played far better if they had twin sticks in mind. This cannot even be debated.

>>11868841 (OP)
>second analog stick
completely worthless hypothetical. nintendo designed the console in 1995, there was no way they were going to figure out dual analog sticks first try, game developers in the sixth gen still struggled utilizing the twin stick scheme for years.

>>11882045
Did you actually play them? Most were designed for the C buttons to be four separate, well, buttons. Adding intercardinals fucks them up.

>>11869939
Actually anon, the two best selling games on the system used them, and very well. GT1 and GT2. It was literally advertised on the back of GT1

>>11882154
Because they were made specifically for that controller, like you just mentioned. Most games didn't use them because they would have been sacrificing a chunk of their install base by requiring a peripheral controller. No shit that wouldn't apply to a series Sony themselves published.

>>11881879
What are you even trying to communicate kek

>>11869939
>or even dreamcast
nah that was still dumb. they knew the next iteration of the playstation would have dualsticks from day one, no split playerbase, they knew they'd potentially be competing with the next playstation for several years. locking yourself out of something as significant as a second analog input at that point is just short sighted.

>>11868841 (OP)
>hey you're playing that quake port, how is it?
>pretty good...it's just that well
>what?
>well you control your players movement with the face buttons
>yeah what's wrong with that?
>it's on the right side, I'm used to controlling character's from the left side and they're buttons it doesn't work so good for something like movement, diagonals
>you know what's interesting...quake on pc has you move with four keys on your left hand and you use the mouse for aim with your right hand...
>huh
>COULD WE PUT ANOTHER DPAD ON THE CONTROLLER?!
>...wait WHAT?

>>11868841 (OP)
source?