>him and guile are more interesting character than ryu
>sidelined by ryu being the main character....just cause he's japanese

Yank Exceptionalism, the thread.

>>11869959 (OP)
Ken also got retconned decades later into being half Japanese lool, it's like the reverse of Mortal Kombat saying Kano is half Japanese

based and death to america
But a lot of American adaptations placed Guile as a protag anyway so he got a lot of time to shine. Ryu is just the more basic archetypal character that's easier to pick up and present as the face of the series, and yes because he's Japanese too

>>11869969
Aren't they brothers? It makes sense.

Garbage thread

>>11869986
seethe zoomer-san

Good thread

>>11869986
Barbie man

>him and Princess are more interesting characters than Mario
>sidelined by Mario being the main character....just cause he's the protagonist of the first game
Many such cases

>>11869970
To be fair, making Guile the hero wasn't because he was American. It was because Capcom gave him a story, and didn't give one to Ryu. Capcom made a deal with Hasbro and asked them to make a story for their series like they did with Transformers, and they looked at artwork and the then VERY brief character motives, and Guile and Chun Li became the heroes, Capcom liked it and approved it and this lead to the live action movie

>>11870020
Yeah and the guy who wrote the script treatment for the movie did it in less than 24 hours because the execs were going back to Japan. (He was also unironically a fan and would often bike to play SF2 in the arcades with his son IIRC)

>>11869959 (OP)
Damn I keep forgetting how absolutely DeviantArt-tier terrible the "HD" sprites were

>>11870015
move over Luigio

>>11869959 (OP)
Ken is more talented than Ryu if you think about it
They're pretty equal when fighting each other but Ken only trains part-time while also running his hotel business and having a wife, while Ryu trains full time
It does make Ryu look badass too cus it inspires people that hard work beats talent
but makes you wonder how strong Ken could be

>>11870057
The guy who made it was called Sirlin right?
I remember him having some cool gaming articles in the mid 2000s, like a DKC2 one and one called "Play to Win" or something like that
He was kinda smug on his forum about "improving" the game balance with the HD remake, not to mention the art looking ugly as shit, I think that made people forget about him
And I think he released his own fighting game at some point and it was ugly as sin too, but can't be bothered to google all this stuff now

>>11870121
>He was kinda smug on his forum about "improving" the game balance with the HD remake
Here's the complete change list from Super Turbo to HD Remix
>https://www.sirlin.net/sf-hdr/street-fighter-hd-remix-complete-change-list
Some of those are kinda interesting, if badly implemented (Ryu fake fireball, Cammy backfist having fireball invul for example), some are debatable nerfs/buff (better or worse hitbox, recovery etc) but some are among the most retarded ideas ever seen, especially if you consider that this is a game where the meta has been tuned for over 20 years and people who know how this shit works have reached an internal equilibrium
Giving Honda's jab Headbutt fireball invul might be the stupidest idea ever in a SF game; if you know anything about ST balancing you immediately understand why this is retarded.
Guile's roundhouse Flash Kick moving horizontally, Claw being able to cancel Walldive and T.Hawk's command grab now having a whiff animation are also so fucking bad.
And Sirlin got so pissed he wrote thousands of of words defending his choices; here are all of his reasonings
>https://www.sirlin.net/articles/sf
The funniest thing is, he believed that he managed to make Akuma balanced and fair, and the reason why pro HD players had to ban him was due to "unfixable bugs" and not the fact that he's completely broken still
>Akuma has a solid ground game with fireballs that stand up to Ryu’s, juggling special moves, an incredibly versatile air fireball, and a tricky super. He does take more damage than any other character, though. Even though a lot went right with him and I personally think he's one of the most fun characters in the game, he must be banned because of a few bugs.

>>11870020
Zoomers don't realize SFII had almost zero story before the multi media, they think it happened all at once.

>HD Remix sprites

>>11869979
no, they are not.

>>11870416
They are though

>>11870467
no, they are not. take your faggot headcanon elsewhere.

>>11870121
David Sirlin is a massive faggot
he acts like he's relevant because he managed to make some top 8s when SFA2 was a big deal
his Playing To Win articles, while expressing some truth, have done irreparable damage to competitive fighting games
this motherfucker developed, released, and marketed a game called Chess 2. let that sink in.

>>11869959 (OP)

>>11870471
nah, they're def brothers everyone knows that

>>11870512

>>11870015
>him and Princess are more interesting characters than Mario
no

>>11870942
Unconvincing post.

>>11870121
>>11870187
The sprites were made by UDON. Sirlin was responsible for balancing.

>>11870020
is because hasbro wanted SF to be sold along with gi joe toys, just another case of the dumbasses at hasbro injecting gi joe trash into everything. They didn't even got akiman or nin-nin involved in the project, the guys who created the characters to begin with.

Anyway is pretty obvious guile fags didn't watched the cartoon, the focus on him as the MC was only on the first season, the later was more closer to the games and introduced characters like akuma and sakura.

>>11871178
Hasbro was intenting to canonize Rocky Balboa as a part-time member of G.I. Joe, but Stallone's lawyers said no and they had to retract the bio they had written for Rocky in the comic handbook.

>>11871178
That's an ugly chunners

>>11871178
even beta mvc infinite chun li looks prettier.

>>11869959 (OP)
As a kid I thought Guile was the "funny" character, like Johnny Cage, and was surprised to find out Americans see them as the heroes just because they are American.

>>11870121
>Ken is more talented than Ryu
As I recall, that was always the yin-yang dynamic between the two of them. Ken was blessed with considerable natural ability, but was arrogant and easily distracted. Ryu wasn't a particularly talented fighter, but was fully autistic about his training to the point where he excludes almost everything else life has to offer. Both of them flawed in their own ways and complement each other, like two sides of the same coin.

>>11871206

>>11871178
Nobody watched the cartoon. I think one person saw the SF cartoon, three people saw the MK cartoon, and zero people saw the Darkstalkers cartooon.....yeeeh sounds about right

Guile was the hero in the live action movie, and this anime movie. Even the Jappos were like "shit, Ryu has NO backstory at all!" so the whole movie is split between Guile/Chun working toward stopping Bison, and Ryu's training montage until the third act

>>11871358
>Anime Guile

>>11871362
Yeah, he didn't BEAT Bison, he just was the one trying to do so the whole runlength with Chun Li, saved Chun Li's life after Vega fought her, then suddenly the final battle.....

RYU COMES OUT OF HIS 40 MINUTE TRAINING MONTAGE SEPERATED FROM THE REST OF THE CAST FROM OUT OF NOWHERE, AND WINS AGAINST BISON. Honestly I still love the anime movie, because it looks cool which makes it better than the live action one, but it's pretty garbage writing wise.

>>11871369
Guile didn't do jack shit, he destroyed a hut with a sonic boom. He wasn't the hero in the anime, his whole purpose was for Chun to drop the exposition on him.

>>11871358
anon, that films literally starts with ryu defeating sagat, which causes bison to grow interest on him, and ken to get jealous. Guile doesn't do shit, chun li at least got to beat up vega.I'm no idea why people like to pretend ryu becoming a world champion and then refusing the title on his own terms is "no backstory at all", in a fighting game no less.

>>11871381
Dude, almost nothing happens in the movie in general other than cameo tier fight scenes and padding. But in terms of how story structure works, he should be the hero
>the story....is about Guile and Chun Li working together to find M. Bison
>Ryu just trains, by himself, only has dialogue with Fei Long, who is completely unrelated to the plot other than dumping exposition for a moment

Ryu is the B-plot, if it were a normal, properly written movie, but it's not, it's an ass backwards retardedly written anime, is my point.

>>11871330
this shit was my jam

>>11871391
>is B-plot and terribly written anime because guile wasn't the hero but he clearly should've been!!!!
guile fags are so fucking retarded.

>>11871407
I main Ryu even though I hate him, I don't play charge characters. I just know how stories work because writing has rules

Ryu literally spends his entire time away from the core plot, so yeah he is the B-plot. You want a movie that makes sense to anyone who's literate in story telling, this movie tells a coherent story that isn't stretched between different stories. That right there, is why Street Fighter is so hard to adapt into fiction and why the story modes in the modern games are so awful, all of the characters are pretty much unrelated plotwise

>>11871419
the movie makes perfect sense, ryu is getting stronger and constantly attracting challengers, ken feels left behind and almost murders t hawk trying to prove himself. Bison is recruiting fighters all over the world for his experiments and make the strongest army, notices ryu and ken, realises they are related and makes ryu fight a brainwashed ken, ken remembers ryu is his best pal and forgets about his insecurity to save his friend, ryu and ken join forces and beat bison.
This is the plot, you missed it.

>>11871437
It's not well written, it's slop. Period. Just because you can follow the events doesn't mean it's written well, you fanboy blind corporate ass licker. You beta Capcucks are as bad a Nintoddlers/MCUcks

>Ryu
>Story of stoicism and resolve
>Soecifically targeted by the main antagonists Sagat, then Bison, then Akuma
>Has a storyline of inner turmoil and facing a dark side of his mystical powers that manifests as a demon

>Ken
>...is red and uh, rich and American

>>11871447
>It's not well written
is not, but you don't even know why is badly written because you failed to understand what even the core plot is. The core plot was always ryu and ken.
>incoherent rant about completely unrelated marvel shit
sir i think you'll have a better time on a mental health institution.

>>11871462
The core plot is M.Bison and Shadaloo need to be stopped and Ryu doesn't even know who he is until the end of the movie, he's literally shoehorned into the plot via Ken's brainwashing

>>11870020
>America and China are the main protagonists of the world
Sounds about right tbqh

>>11871381
That's because the anime is absolute dogshit that people only like because they saw it when they were kids and it had boobies in it.

>>11871381
There were probably people on that hut. Did he stop to check if they were alright? No. Hero my ass. F hut people, they were most likely decapitated from the sonic boom, another victim from police brutality.

>>11871178
>Ken gets the last name Masters because Hasbro didn't want his action figure to get mistaken for Barbie's boy-toy and it ends up sticking
Funny how copyright works sometimes.

Deal with it, Ken is SF's Luigi.
Also MC of SFII is Chunners, not Ryu

>>11871520
>Ken is SF's Luigi
is this luigi's mansion then?

>>11871549
Sorta

>>11869959 (OP)
japanese game

>>11869959 (OP)
Ryu represents a higher ideal. You wouldn't get it.

>>11871581
Well, I get it, and I hate it. One of my most hated apects of cliche Japanese "heroism" is their idea of heroism itself
>either stoic and near being an autistic mute, or a yappy manchild who eats a lot......but theyre obsessed with winning and being number one!
It's so boring, I'm more of an anti-hero guy anyway but I can at least get behind guys like Superman or Spider-Man who believe in the greater good and being something better than the average person on a moral level, sacrificing their own egos. Japanese heroes just come off as either autismal or childish

>>11871560
Non-Japanese being the protagonists is a pretty common trope in Japanese games.

>Resident Evil
>Silent Hill
>Devil May Cry
>Castlevania
>Metal Gear Solid
>Bayonetta
>Bionic Commando
>Megaman
>Mario
>Dino Crisis
>Lost Planet

>>11871581
It's not hard to get. Just place the stereotyped ideals of a Samurai into a guy and that's their higher ideal. It's very shallow. Kind of like men who still believe in the concept of chivalry.

>>11869959 (OP)
Most of the SF2 cast fucking sucks

>>11871581
>>11871629
that's not it

>>11869959 (OP)
>>11869969
Ken is Japanese and always has been, as any cursory search will tell you. I do think it would be more interesting for his dynamic with Ryu if he actually were American born and raised, but it's been established for 30+ years that he's not.

>>11872564
>Ken is Japanese and always has been,

>Ken struggles with the idea that he's wasting his talent not being a fightfag
>also experiences boredom
>bangs his hot wife then goes train the neighborhood kids
>concludes this is a great life
Ken is based and Guile was right

>>11869959 (OP)
Ken and Guile are brothers-in-law btw.

>>11872709
He's 3/4 Japanese by descent (son of a Japanese mother and a half-Japanese father).

>>11872564
>>11873238
Sure he is but that doesn't mean I have to acknowledge it, because they don't either. They pull this same shit with Solid Snake and Jill Valentine, Japanese devs back then were too pussy to call a spade a spade and a baka gaijin a baka gaijin. I'd be completely fine with it if they did absolutely anything with it all, but they never do. They only ever mention it once and then never again to stop poor little Hidetoshi from going into culture shock in front of his Trinitron, it's the kind of arrogance you'd expect from an American. I agree, it absolutely would be more interesting. Ken works so much better as a fish out of water with a natural gift that he doesn't apply himself with. Ryu & Ken. Talent & Hard Work. Each completing and inspiring the other, because that's what friendship is, at its core. Plus, the world just genuinely loves Anglo-Saxon Curiosity manifesting into crazy ass white boys perfectly assimilating, see pic related and any white guy who speaks perfect mandarin. Ever had a white sushi chef serve you? It's so awesome.

>>11873604
ken has literally always spoken fluent japanese

>>11873604
what the fuck are you talking about

>>11873831
So would any of us if our rich dads made us spend our summer vacation in the boondocks of Japan with a Japanese kid our age and an old Japanese guy who taught us how to shoot blue from our hands and spin like a helicopter, you'd learn quick. And that's not even acknowledging similar cases like Terry Bogard or Lars Alexandersson who are supposed to be speaking English, Ken definitely knows and speaks Japanese in the lore.

>>11872564
>if he actually were American born and raised
He was, but the writers didn't understand that being American is about being born in America, it's not an ethnicity thing. Both of his parents were US citizens, they're just ethnically Japanese.

>>11871178
I wonder how those actual official Hong Kong/Taiwanese/whatever comics handled Chun-Li. Everyone always wanks the characters from their own country
I think Ryu and Chun-li were a thing together in it or something.

FALCON PUNCH!

>>11874806
Holy shit the covers look cool
>Ryu and Chun-li were a thing together
Lol this was our playground rumor

>>11875427
I remember hearing that's the reason why she got her fireball

>first game is Ryu vs Sagat(yeah yeah, no one played it)
>Sagat is the penultimate boss in the second game
>Ryu is the reason why Sagat has his scar
>All the Akuma stuff, Sakura chasing him around, friends with Ken
Even as the generic karate guy, Japanese, and being the obviously pick-up-and-play character(with Ken being Luigi), it's not like there's nothing to him

>>11871621
>believe in the greater good and being something better than the average person on a moral level, sacrificing their own egos.
Plenty of Japanese characters like that, but they're usually literally superheroes so there's the western influence.

>>11869959 (OP)
>always thought Ken was an American who travelled to Japan to train.
>Turns out he’s a Japanese man (his father is Japanese and his mother is half-Japanese) and he was born in Japan.
>Turns out he’s not actually blond but just dyes his hair blonde.
>Hes also Guile’s brother-in-law


What fucking timeline did I slide into

>>11871980
Yes it is, you're just too stupid and naive to get it.

>>11869959 (OP)
Ken is a happa with dyed hair.

>>11871369
This guy is the newest board faggot.

>>11871178
westernized art chun li actually looks pretty good

>>11875920
for me to poop on

>>11874806
>blanka and the snek from his stage
cute

>>11869959 (OP)
>american with an american bias complaining about japanese company with a japanese bias

>>11874806
>>11875427
Here's the full cover/back of that one
Apparently Chun-li is Bison's step daughter, and there's some stuff about aliens, reptiles, and time travel. Weird as fuck.

>>11876967
Also a naked blue guy with blonde hair of all fucking things calling himself a king, I have no fucking idea if this comic influenced Capcom in any way at all, but it's apparently the first Street Fighter 2 comic
Ryu even has a demon in him or something

>>11876973
That's gill without a diaper and the red paint

Well, here's when Ken was killed via scalping in the US comic

>>11869959 (OP)
>Blond Ryu

I understand liking Guile, he has cool (overplayed) music, and fun moveset. But blond Ryu? Nigga has the lamest moveset of all time. It took 23 years to overhaul it. Always behind ryu's back. Although I like Violent Ken's design better

>>11877072
The thing I like about Ken is, that he is the one with red fire on his fist and foot for kick, while Ryu is the one who only.... can shoot a blue fire wad

>>11877072
He has a wife and isn't a hobo so I guess he's got that going for him
>>11877083
I prefer the cool ki blasts over balls of fire desu

Ryu and Guile both represent the Japanese and western player base. Japan is obviously better at the games so they get the main character.
Ken and Guile also should be a mutts instead not blonde aryans.

>>11877214
It's a 90s game , our America was a different planet to modern

>>11877217
Still America aka gay and lame

There used to be this Japanese guy who made parody raps about old games back in 2008, his Street Fighter one had Ryu saying a line like "Yamato spirit"

>>11877241
One of these is gay, and it's the one on the right

>>11877629
both are gay with each other

>>11877065
>That's gill without a diaper and the red paint
Years before 3

>>11870121
Ken has worse energy abilities. Having better taijutsu so to speak doesn't really matter if his ki is worse and always will be.

>>11871621
>stoic and near being an autistic mute
that's based and everyone loves those characters
it makes you seethe but every sf boomer roots for CHARYU whenever someone's competing with him for the gold, like Blaz
to them, Ryu *is* Street Fighter; they would play a SF with no characters available but Ryu dittos; in fact, they'd laud how pure it is

>>11879550
Nuh uh

>>11869959 (OP)
>Ryu
>Unending quest for martial arts mastery and perfection
>Ken
>Is an american playboy
????

>>11876967
>Ryu has to wear the bandanna at all times so people can tell it's him

>>11879831
kek

>>11869959 (OP)
Who says Ryu is the "main character"?

I don't recall the game telling me that at any point.

>>11880038
>I don't recall the game telling me that at any point
Because the game is japanese, so it was created expecting the players to have an IQ above 80.

>>11880038
the whole plot(what little there is) revolves around Ryu winning the first game. he was the one that gave Sagat that massive fucking scar. it was a shoryuken during the final boss fight.

>>11880140
You didn't answer my question.
Where in the game does it say Ryu is the main character?

>>11880146
>the whole plot(what little there is) revolves around Ryu winning the first game.
In what way is this communicated in the game? Every character has their own ending. In Ryu's ending, he wins and goes off in search of more fights. There's nothing in the game that suggests it is the only correct one.

Can you ACTUALLY back up this thing you've adopted as a belief with facts?

>>11874792
Wrong. He's born and raised in Japan to Japanese parents. He has one American grandparent and moved to the US as a young adult. He's also not a natural blond, he dyes his hair (but not his eyebrows).
Ryo from AOF/KOF is more American than him.

>>11880290
He was talking about the first game as in Street Fighter 1, where Sagat is the final boss and you can only play as Ryu or Ken. Not the first version of Street Fighter 2.

>>11869959 (OP)
He's violent