Thread 11871232

>In order to progress the level, you have to match color based objects or activate them in a certain order

>Color blind? Too bad, you are stuck. Nothing can be done about it

How was this even acceptable in those days? One of the few objectively good things modern gaming has done is actually addressing the needs of guys who struggle with color blindness.

You're retarded and deserve to suffer for being objectively broken.

No one forced people to constantly think about and accommodate cripples.

Back then nobody cared about your feefees and we were all the better for it. People just toughened the fuck up. There are people who have it WAY worse than being colorblind.
Had a guy at my locals who had a stump for a left arm and who absolutely ruled at KoF

>>11871232 (OP)
Couldn't you just ask a friend for help?

i don't remember how i did it, i remember just trying a bunch of combinations until it was done.
and no, i'm not color blind.

typical faggoty zoomer tourist mindset.
"WUH-WUH-WUH-WHY WAS THIS ACCEPTABLE" we weren't fucking soft faggots that's why. if you were colorblind you did it by trial and error or you asked a friend for help.
this is why zoomers are so contemptible. they expect the world to mold and conform itself to their limitations. faggots.

>>11871232 (OP)
>How was this even acceptable in those days?
People used to just be uncaring. Now they alternate between pretending to care and being unnecessarily cruel.

>>11871232 (OP)
color blindness doesn't work like that.
they cannot distinguish between similar colors.
red, green, blue, yellow and white are distinct enough to be ok.
end of the thread.

>>11871259
the most common type of color blindness is literally called red-green color blindness, in which red and green appear to be the same color.
you are an ignorant faggot. leave this board and never come back.

>Have to press buttons to advance game
>No fingers? too bad for you
HOW IS THIS EVEN ACCEPTABLE

>am deaf
>game has sound cues

>>11871259

I posted about this in another thread, but the worst example for me was the Toonstruck colour phone puzzle. For those who don't know (without major spoilers) - the phone has red, blue and yellow buttons, and there is a puzzle where you have to:

1. dial a phone number which is a series of colours (including red, blue, yellow, purple, green and orange)

2. Answer a series of questions about what colour certain aspects of the scenery all around the game world are (i.e. they're not on screen, you have to remember what colour a certain item of clothing, or sign was)

I simply couldn't complete it without a walkthrough (Though thankfully, the-spoiler.com was active by this point, so I didn't need to spend money). This though has been probably the worst experience, most of the time games generally have colour-based puzzles that are one of three or four distinct 'hues' that are reasonably possible with perhaps some trial and error to get.

The way colour blindness works for me is that I generally have problems distinguishing between similar 'hues' - so yellow and light green, pink and grey, brown and dark green, blue and purple, etc. etc. Usually if they're plain and distinct primary colours it's OK, but then I have no idea if what I see as those colours are what everyone else sees. The problem with the Toonstruck puzzle was the greens, oranges and purples.

I do appreciate when I see the colour-blindness options on modern games though.

>>11871545
>The way colour blindness works for me

Also - occasionally there are some specific shades that I just see as a sort of grey colour, as far as I know that's not been a problem for games so far.

Not the game's fault you're disabled.

>>11871232 (OP)
Anon, even in black and white you can tell them apart.

I agree, discrimination against marginalized and disabled folx is not a good look.

>>11871232 (OP)
>You're blind? Too bad!
Ugh, the 90s were so problematic.

>>11871323
You will see those colors as being different shades of the same color.

>>11871240
fpbp
play something else

No one gave a shit because it wasn't important. Didn't have to constantly cater to the weakest or the lowest denominator.

>>11871232 (OP)
Why only think of color blind people? What about poor people? All games should be as chea as possible so I can afford them.

>>11871683
wrong, dipshit, they appear the same

>>11871232 (OP)
I'm red-green colorblind, the red and green on here is distinguishable and I was able to solve it when I played it; i had zero issues from what I remember.
>>11871842
they don't but it's subtle.

>>11871232 (OP)
They didn't even realize that flashing random bright colors was not a good idea for epileptics until the late 90s/early 00s, not surprised. I think the first time I saw a game with color blindness options was Dust on the 360.

>>11871647
I literally cannot tell the difference between any of those in the black and white version, except maybe the bottom-left one being a bit lighter than the others.

>>11871882
The texture itself is slightly different in monochrome, when you're colorblind you are far more sensitive to subtle cues like that.

>>11871889
So this would be more obvious if I was colorblind? Because they all look the same to me in black and white.

A thread full of miserable homos pretending to be tough to impress each other.
OP I agree. The best aspect of modern games are accessibility and options.

>>11871864
>until the late 90s
Early 90s, Nintendo started using the warnings in the early 90s and Sega followed suit shortly after. It wasn't until the Electric Soldier Porygon incident in '97 people took it far more seriously.

>>11871232 (OP)
Retarded people shouldn't be playing video games.

>>11871907
Anon, please tell us how colorblindness, a physical defect of the eyeball, the second-most complicated organ in a living thing, is "retardation".

>>11871910
It's a disability

>>11871910
you can bruteforce the puzzle.
if you just give up, you are a retard.

>>11871910
Don't waste time talking to pretend homos on the internet.

>>11871910
>a physical defect of the eyeball, the second-most complicated organ in a living thing
NTA but are all cases of colorblindness something wrong with the eye? Or can some cases be due to there being something wrong or damaged in the part of the brain that processes what the eyes are seeing?

>>11872401
color vision is the product of cone-shaped cells in your eyeball. colorblindness is generally caused by mutations that cause these cells to be misshapen and nonfunctional.

>>11871245
I've seen some crazy shit from people missing hands. Brolylegs was like a household name of course (RIP legend, look him up if you're into FGs and unfamiliar), but I also remember seeing a dude with no hands stream Brood War at like C rank on ICCup (not fucking shabby, maybe like 1800 in an Elo system)
Inspiring as shit, as someone with comparable minor health problems

>>11872446
I have cerebral palsy on left half of my body and play games one handed. Palsy hand holding controller. People are impressed just by that even though i play like shit.

>>11871906
>It wasn't until the Electric Soldier Porygon incident in '97 people took it far more seriously
I'm not even photosensitive/epileptic but I have to pop mad ibuprofen whenever I watch old school Macross because the explosions in that show put the Porygon episode to absolute shame. Shit, one of the very first things you see in the first episode is one such explosion.
I get that this shit was probably meant to be viewed on CRTs where it would blend together and not be as flashy, but it's still obnoxious.

>>11871232 (OP)
If you are colour blind you need to stay out of video games.

>>11871232 (OP)
>Color blind? Too bad, you are stuck. Nothing can be done about it
Yeah, it's a game made for people who are not colour blind. People who are not colour blind are allowed to have their skills tested. Fuck off.

>>11872446
Hell yeah that's one cool monkey

>>11871894
>>11871889

So - I'm colourblind, and not familiar with this game, and at first glance I can't see the difference in monochrome.

In terms of the original image, the top two statues look very similar to me, but the way I would solve that puzzle is to do the ones I could see and then just trial and error the ones that looked similar. On a full CRT though, probably there would be some subtle differences I might notice.

Thing is - most people probably wouldn't realise, but things like simply having different shapes as well as colours (which is really common in most Nintendo and similar games that have colour puzzles) are things people have been doing for decades, because colourblindness affects 8% of men (and therefore up to 8% of your target market), there's a reasonably high likelihood that devs and play testers would have had issues. They were catering without you realising.

I still think the way they have made gaming accessible in all sorts of ways is cool though.

>>11871254
truly a sad thought

>>11871232 (OP)
A random anon without left hand managed to 100% DS version of TWEWY
A random blind guy is able to beat Abe series and some titles from Zelda / Metroid / MGS / Mario series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23JgGAmCGVU
Next you're gonna complain that you can't get into NASA because rocket science is too hard so high-tech companies should lower the requirements for idiots.
Either toughen up and accept that sometimes you'll have a hard time (while majority of people won't) because life isn't fair, find other games to play or find a different hobby (like books, they have black text on white pages).

>>11872618
maybe you do lol

>>11871232 (OP)
Skill issue

>>11871882
You're just retarded then

>>11871895
I'm openly a filthy casual, and for me, (one of) the worst part(s) of modern gaming is accessibility and options. Every damn game has three full pages of options that will make the game easier, or clearer, or give you more information, or even automate things or make the game easier. So either I play a fucking mess with no clarity or QoL plagued by shitty design decisions, all justifies by there being options, or I delve into the menus to try to fix their broken shit with ugly, brutish cludges, and then it's just a question of how much soul I'm willing to sacrifice for comfort and convenience. And there is no combination of settings that will make the game as good as if it was designed around a single setup.

>>11872904
Damn. That game mind-numbing and fucking hell on your hands. Respect to that anon, but mostly pity.

I recall an early adopter of colorblind modes in games was Sony because in God of War 2, there was a puzzle where a lot of people got stuck at because it was color-coded. I think it was the giant chariots?

>>11872446
I saw a paralyzed kid in Nintendo Power who played games using a straw. IIRC sucking it was the A button and blowing it was the B button. I imagined he got pretty dizzy.

>>11871232 (OP)
It only bothers me when a game didn't have subtitles (I'm hearing impaired) but I never held it against the developer or the merits of the game itself. It was ordinary back then, they didn't have the massive development teams they do now.
Some old games like System Shock 2 have mods which add subtitles which is nice.

Human nature!

>>11874319
>I never held it against the developer or the merits of the game itself

Me neither on the colour-blindness side of things. You can be frustrated without being a little bitch about it, but I am still glad when people think about it.

>>11871232 (OP)
you used to just ask friends and family for help with these things

>>11872401

There are some forms that are caused by eye, optic nerve or brain damage, but the most common cause is a genetic function of cone cells in the retina.

This article has a simulation of what it looks like apparently (the pictures look the same to me) - because apparently we see everything as smaller and at a lower resolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congenital_red%E2%80%93green_color_blindness

>>11871232 (OP)
No one owes you shit, faggot.