picrel. i don't feel so good analbros.

Is it really because of tariffs, or is the whole project just vaporware?

>>11872232 (OP)
smells like china. don't care. it's /vr/ tech. any crap country who used to make chips for japan/USA can do it. which means about 10 percent tariff in all SEA cunts who took the trump deals. or taiwan.

maybe they're just fullretarded or all chinks?

>>11872232 (OP)
>The 8bitdo controllers are also delayed because anal log is making them wait to launch at the same time
Fuck them.

>>11872238
This thing has been ridiculously delayed, but Analogue has released several products before so it's not like they are some no-history group on Kickstarter, and considering they make expensive niche products it would be stupid to destroy their company by screwing over that niche consumer base.

>muh mockup consoles

>>11872232 (OP)
> we're absorbing the costs
and they have no choice but to do this. the customers bought their shit before the glowing orange pedophile's sanctions. are they trying to make customers feel guilty or some shit? considering the insane markup they still make? extreme faggotry.

>>11873290
>and they have no choice but to do this
The alternative is they just inform the customers they can either pay to cover the tariff or get a refund, and then they can just sit on stock until they can get it into the country and sell it then.

>>11873290
>>11873294
i think the statement can be seen to provide PR coverage for a much higher ticket price on restocks. >>11872602 is right that they have a somewhat cultivated niche customer base, brand damage would be too big to jack the price on pre-orders but it doesn't seem to me that there were even that many in stock to begin with.

>>11873329
I thought they were already tanking their brand image because everyone who pre-ordered this and has been waiting for it has watched everyone else buy into the FPGA ecosystem with other units and have all gotten their toys already and are also having a pretty good time playing N64 games, which this product was supposed to handle for them.

Maybe if they could at least show the thing running people might be a bit more forgiving for them playing chicken with Trump.

>>11873335
is "everyone" in the room with us? are you describing "everyone's" feelings about their pre-orders or your feelings about your pre-order?

regardless, i don't think analogue's customers are setting up misters. i for one am not. i wanted one because i'm confident there will be a homebrew scene, for that reason i don't mind the wait, i'm going to be waiting longer once i get it anyway.

>>11873290
You lost.

lol you keep posting this

I own the Super NT and use it a lot, even though I also have several Super Famicoms. It has been great and once the "3D" has been out a while (and the jailbreak leaks) I'll probably buy it and give my real 64's a rest too. Because of that I want to give Analogue the benefit of a doubt. But trying to pass another delay off as caused by the tariffs is horseshit. Low hanging fruit for the incompetent, but the Gen z "gamer community" will probably eat it up as one more way to pin all their gripes on Trump.

>>11872232 (OP)
What's the best controller (that isn't an official one) for an N64? Do I go with something like a Hyperkin Captain, or should I wait for the 8bitdo controller?

I'm not American, but I though tariffs didn't apply on electronics? much less those produced by American companies?

>>11873335
What other FPGA devices are there that can play N64 games other than the MiSTer? The only other FPGA device I even know of that isn't vaporware is the Tang, which last I checked maxes out with the SNES and I think barely GBA, and the MiSTer existed long before the Analog 3D was ever even announced.

The only other ones I even know about that could do N64 are both vaporware, Mars and Replay2. The MARS has long been forgotten and nobody even knew about the Replay2, neither of which are likely to ever see the light of day.

>>11873337
>i don't think analogue's customers are setting up misters. i for one am not. i wanted one because i'm confident there will be a homebrew scene
So you want to get an Analog 3D in hopes that you can hack it to use it like a MiSTer, but you don't want a MiSTer?

I would have assumed people were getting these to play their own N64 games on, why would you get one with the hopes that it will be hacked to function like a MiSTer instead of just getting a MiSTer?

>>11874545
i dunno, it's just trannycoded. they don't look good next to my tv or computer.

>>11874556
>a black metal box is trannycoded
meds
> they don't look good next to my tv or computer
If it's appearance is what you don't like there are dozens of cases you can put it in, as well as consolized versions like the Multisystem 2.

There's also boards to convert it into an ITX board to use in any standard PC ITX case or into a Jamma board to use in any Jamma-compatible arcade cabinet.

What's with everyone thinking that you can only build it as a small rectangular box?

>>11872232 (OP)
finally coming out in a month. I SO EXCITE

>>11872232 (OP)
I thought the tariffs got paused? I can't keep track of this shit anymore. Fuck

>>11872602
Does an fpga chip that could possibly run n64 and fit into the pricetag exist right now? They probably made a deal with some shady Chinese company that showed something and promised to make a lot of them

>>11874840
>Does an fpga chip that could possibly run n64 and fit into the pricetag exist right now?
You realize you can get a full MiSTer setup for less than what this costs right?

And if you really want to get down to it, getting just the main board and RAM which is all you need for N64 on FPGA will cost less than half what this does.

Needfully so, yeah.

>>11874939
will it play my n64 carts?

>>11875713
I thought you said you wanted to get an Analogue 3D to hack it?

>>11874556
>A tiny black box with a single red power light that's indistinguishable from any other piece of ordinary AV equipment
>Trannycoded
Genuinely obsessed. There really are fucking freaks like you who are just as weird as the troons themselves.

>>11875725
i want a lot of different and sometimes contradictory/incompatible things, anon. and it's my god given right to do so.

>>11875745
it's ugly and tranny "hardware hack" coded bullshit. get a job.

>>11875770
>i want a lot of different and sometimes contradictory/incompatible things, anon. and it's my god given right to do so.
Sounds like you're just trying to grasp at straws for an excuse
Case in point:
>it's ugly and tranny "hardware hack" coded bullshit.
A black metal box could not possibly be any further from being "tranny coded", you seriously are obsessed. An overpriced device that can only do one thing and is full of curved surfaces sure sounds like something made for real men, clearly only little pretend girls would go for a DIY project where you have to assemble and set it up yourself in a metal case and is full of different ports to connect actual real retro controllers to instead of modern bluetooth bullshit.

>>11875809
i don't like your janky chink looking tranny hobby REDDIT shit, anon.

I'm never gonna get the 8bitdo n64 controller huh

>>11875820
I guess I'm not surprised you don't like it, it's something made for real men, not a boutique product meant to look nice in the background of a YouTube video. No wonder you prefer it.

>>11875870
>something made for real men
See how xhe recoils: "I've been found out."

>>11875881
Did you get that juvenile insult from Bluesky? I'm sure all your gaymer friends there are so impressed.

Maybe he wants to hack and it and have the ability to play original carts on one device that doesn’t look like shit. Damn, it’s like these mister fags just come in here like they work for the damn company. I preordered one because I wanted it. It’s the only system I would do it for and really don’t give a shit about the mister. Maybe one day I’ll try one out but I have all og hardware and games plus a pc that can emulate anything I can’t afford or don’t want to pay for given the current insane market.

>>11874647
Wooowww that looks like absolute shitbwho would actually pay for that garbage let alone take the time to put it together?

>>11872232 (OP)
>analbros

>>11876294
I bet after you pay for all that shit too it comes out about the same as analog 3d lmao

>>11876592
Still better looking than Analogue, and plays a hundred times the systems it can.

Sounds like an excuse to me. It has been delayed several times now, something is telling me this thing is approaching vaporware status.

>>11876603
Ur crazy if u think that Frankenstein mess looks as good and we all know the analogue will get hacked

>>11876605
Well the excuse about the tariffs seems retarded since they took preorders well before orange man was even elected. I’m not sure how production works on that end but would seem like they had the money from preorders to go ahead and buy the shit then or a few months after before the tariffs came into effect or obviously buy it before the tariffs hit since they were announced very loudly. Either way the tariff thing sounds like bullshit. I still think it isn’t vaporware simply because they have a fan base and have put out several products already and have a partnership w 8bit w the controller. I guess we will find out sooner or later but if it gets delayed again then I doubt it’ll come out.

>>11876294
I think it looks cool and it would be a fun project to assemble yourself

>>11875820
You'll never be a real woman

>>11876648
"Ur" gay if you think the Analogue doesn't make you look like a fag and even if it's hacked does not mean you can just load mister cores on it like you can retroarch, they would need to be pored over, one by one.

Meanwhile I paid over $100 less and got it a year ago and can already play N64 and everything else out of the box.

The only reason this thing exists is because the N64's verilog leaked out. Nintendo should sue.

>>11872232 (OP)
I missed my chance at a low price for it didn't I? I was hoping to maybe get a chance at an aluminum colored version that would mimic the funtastic colors. I missed out on all those cool pocket colors that I wanted and I was prepared to miss out on the later batches of the 3D. I don't see how they could manufacture them here and keep the same price. The tariffs has cut me off from my last source of gaming, and I am kind of bummed out as I still wasn't able to save up enough to get the stuff I wanted before the taxes kicked in.

>>11872232 (OP)
Either they're lying because they don't have a working product. Or they're completely retarded. They've had ages to get boards made and buy components before this shit was an issue.

>>11874840
The DE-10 nano plays n64 perfectly. So they're easily available thought clones now.

>>11877749
It is amazing how retarded you are. It's like you're allergic to acquiring the actual consoles. Then you lie about being too poor. While posting your autistic pictures here constantly.
You're unique, marblefag. Nobody else has a PVM connected to a cheap chinese knockoff retron piece of shit, while also owning analoge consoles and never owning the real consoles.

>>11877770
Does it emulate even demanding stuff like Conker's Bad Fur Day well?

>>11877749
>The tariffs has cut me off from my last source of gaming

>>11877780
From what I can tell the core no longer requires that game to be patched to be 100% compatible. Not sure if two or three other games need patches still or not.

>>11876061
>Mister
>the damn company
Mister is an open source project running on either Terasic FPGAs meant for education purposes or Chinesium YouTuber clones with cores made by Ukrainians who disappear for months at a time. There is no "Mister company"

>>11877770
>perfectly
Games that use TLB have far worse frame rates at times than real hardware or software emulation, games still having the same desyncs in cutscenes and attract modes as software emulation. Unresolved graphic bugs, games generally performing better than real hardware as the DDR3 bottleneck means the RAM timings can't be fine turned. There's a ton of inaccuracies due to the limitations of the DE-10. It's a good core, but FAR from perfect.

>>11877791
The patch is still in place place for Conker but people have still reported it crashing occasionally.

>>11877780
Every N64 game is playable without needing to patch anything, even stuff that can cause problems like Conker or Knife's Edge. IIRC there's like 5 games that were problematic (Including Conker) but the core patches those on the fly. It was a memory timing issue IIRC, though from what I understand it's not an issue if you choose to run the overclocked version of the core.

Had no problems playing any romhack that is meant to be compatible with real N64 hardware on it either, at least for what I tried with hacks like Jiggies of Time, Nostalgia 64, Smash Remix, Mario Kart 64 Amped Up, Return To Yoshi Island, or Hero of Law. Only romhack that gave me trouble was Mario in the Multiverse, which was stated as requiring a very specific emulator.

>>11877871
>games still having the same desyncs in cutscenes and attract modes as software emulation
I know that DK64 has a desync in the attract mode, what others?

>games generally performing better than real hardware as the DDR3 bottleneck means the RAM timings can't be fine turned
I thought the games run on the SDRAM module and the DDR3 is just for the OS?

>>11877956
>I know that DK64 has a desync in the attract mode, what others?

The following from the testing spreadsheet all have timing issues of some sort, not mentioned are TLB games like Perfect Dark or Goldeneye which can have more slowdown than real hardware:
Banjo-Tooie
Batman Beyond
Beetle Adventure Racing
Resident Evil 2
Blues Brothers
Daffy Duck Starrirng as Duck Dodgers
Dance Dance Revolution
F1 Racing Championship
Fox Sports College Hoops
Iggy's Reckin' Balls
Killer Instinct Gold
Ocarina of Time
Majoras Mask
Mario Tennis
Rayman 2
Tonic Trouble
WCW Mayhem
WWF No Mercy

>I thought the games run on the SDRAM module and the DDR3 is just for the OS?

We are using the DDR3 on the DE10-Nano to reimplement the RDRAM functionality of the console and the SDRAM to store the cartridge data. The SDRAM is no issue at all, because the original cartridge interface is quite slow and the SDRAM is reliable in terms of latency.

The DDR3 however is not. While the bandwidth is 60% higher than what we would need for the RDRAM and the average latency is also, the worst case latency kills any attempt to get matching timing. I will cite myself here from about 10 months ago:

"The DDR3 in MiSTer is shared, so the HPS/Linux and scaler also need to access it. For the bandwidth this is no issue, but the access for reads is blocked when one of these is currently also working with the DDR3. That's why our worst case access delay is relativly high and higher than what the N64 shows."

While I had plans to work around it, mostly by speeding up the memory after such a slow access, these plans unfortunatly do not work, because for some games even a single slow access can lead to the worst case possible: the game crashes.

https://yopad.eu/p/Robert_Peip_-_N64_Core_development_ends-365days

>>11878009
The DDR3 is used for the system's memory? What's with some cores having a dual-RAM option then that can give them better compatibility? There are CD-based system cores that can make use of dual-SDRAM, what's the benefit there then? There is no way they are loading the CD image into the SDRAM.

So the issue is that the DDR3 is also being used by the OS and other functions of the MiSTer and this can interrupt the N64's access to it? Would it work if the DE-10 or some other FPGA board had it's own separated RAM that could be accessed independently from the rest?

Also, I have a hard time believing that Robert would be hanging out here and randomly post in an Analogue thread.

>>11877841
So who then is selling these ugly little boxes? They don’t just pop up out of nowhere someone is producing them and then coming on this board and hyping it up while simultaneously shitting on any new product “whyyyy would you buy this u moron, mister mister mister buy a mister.” I’m sure it’s just from the goodness of the hearts of these anons and the vitriol that comes out of their posts if you disagree or dare spend money on an item like this they come out of the woodwork. This isn’t a mister thread yet here we go w “yall are so dumb for buying this” even going so far as to say that Frankenstein mess u can put it in is cool and looks great when it clearly looks like thrown together shit.

>>11878138
I didn't even bother reading that rambling nonsense, but I am going to take a guess that you didn't read the thread either and see that the argument about the Mister started when someone said they only wanted to get the analog N64 to hack it.

>>11878145
Concession accepted

>>11878184
Retard detected

>>11878198
Mister shill. I bet you just look at the ugly box or the huge menu and just sit there alternating between that and shit posting on 4chinz. “Dude said he wanted to hack a new device? What a moron he should get a mister!” Like u guys are so transparent it’s in every thread w u cultists.

>>11878204
Sorry about your brain damage but no I actually play games on it. Shocking concept, I know. As if Analogue's overpriced crap isn't far more likely to just sit on a shelf of other overpriced crap just to look pretty.

>>11878214
U got btfo and all u can do is call names. I would pity you but I’ll forget all about u as soon as I’m done replying. Enjoy ur mister while u shit up threads that have nothing to do w mister. I’ll enjoy my analogue while u seethe.

>>11878234
>You will seethe that I overpaid just to have a shiny box that only plays one system
I didn't think levels of this much cope were even possible.

>>11878239
So poor can’t afford 250 in their own hobby. Feels bad :(

>>11872602
Pocket was ridiculously delayed and that was before tariffs. This is a lame excuse for Analogue but reasons aside it's par for the course. They will deliver eventually and I doubt they'll delay again even if it means releasing a half baked console that they have to upgrade over time with firmware updates.

>>11878245
>Poorfag cope
Every time, you realize you need to be 18+ to post here? I'm not interested in beating up a child

>>11878080
>The DDR3 is used for the system's memory?
That depends on the console being emulated, I know that is the case for PS1, Saturn and N64 and maybe the new GBA core that is in development.

>There are CD-based system cores that can make use of dual-SDRAM, what's the benefit there then?

"Some games depend on the accuracy of the VDP1 timings. Some games depend on the accuracy of the VDP2 timings. Some games depend on the accuracy of the work ram (RAM-H,RAM-L) timings. Some games depend on the accuracy of the sound processor (SCSP) timings. Some games depend on the accuracy of the CD block timings. And some games depend on the accuracy of the combination of these components. The main sdram used by the VDP2 and the SCSP. The second sdram used only for RAM-H. The VDP1, CD, RAM-L, DRAM/backup cartridge (and RAM-H in single sdram build) use on-board ddr3 memory, which has latency. The ddr3 speed is not fast enough to provide all these blocks with the required access speeds. Therefore, due to these latencies, various problems can occur in games.
Only the RAM-H has been transferred to the second sdram, everything else remains in ddr3. That's why I say that it is not possible to provide 100% accuracy even in dual sdram build.
The FAST option makes half of Saturn's components (CPUs, SCU, ROM, RAM-L, CD block) inaccurate (faster than the original). It is needed to save a few cycles, which PARTIALLY compensate for ddr3 delays when accessing RAM-H in single sdram build.

About this issue.
The game intro code is programmed in such a way that it depends on the accuracy of RAM-H access speed. Here we need absolute accuracy of RAM-H reading by the CPU (that none of the emulators have). To provide such precision is possible only in a dual sdram build."

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/251

>So the issue is that the DDR3 is also being used by the OS and other functions of the MiSTer and this can interrupt the N64's access to it?

Correct.

>>11878080
>Would it work if the DE-10 or some other FPGA board had it's own separated RAM that could be accessed independently from the rest?

This is exactly what Analogue are doing with the N64, they can make the hardware for the console being emulated. MiSTer by comparisson is limited to the spec of the DE-10. Saturn needs like 8 seperate memory spaces, even whatever board Sorg choses as the DE-10 successor is VERY likely to still not provide enough seperate spaces for everything to be in and have correct timings.

>Also, I have a hard time believing that Robert would be hanging out here and randomly post in an Analogue thread.

Lol, I'm copy pasting his comments, you even have the link that the quote is from.

>>11878214
>just sit on a shelf of other overpriced crap just to look pretty
cope because you can't afford an overpriced crap collection

>>11878268
>>11878274
So we basically we either need a custom board or a board that intentionally has a bit of dedicated fast RAM wired directly to the FPGA that isn't shared with anything else?

I know that Sorg was actually featured on Terasic's site as one of the people they are talking about the development of the DE-25 board, but that doesn't mean it's going to be picked for the MiSTer 2. Shame that unlike the full DE-10, the DE-10 nano removes the 64MB of SDRAM that's built into the FPGA. Maybe the DE-25 Nano if they make one will keep it. With all the still unused ports on the DE-10 nano you would think one of them could be used for a bit of additional RAM for this. You would not even need a lot, the N64 even when upgraded topped out at 8MB.

I know the DDR3 on the DE-10 isn't a single chip but I am guessing there isn't a way to separate them as two separate banks, especially with each having their own memory controller and across all the clone boards that might do it differently.

>>11873358
> angry man can't get cheap toy
> y..you lost
what did the russian pedophile mean by this?

>>11878281
post screenshot of your preorder for the anal log. we all know you can barely afford to eat. i would be shocked if you weren't replying from a mcdonald's wifi access point. i would be even more shocked if you had zero convictions for rape.

>>11878430
lmao

>>11877779
Not true at all. If there were people out there willing to do UltraHDMI mods, the Analogue 3D wouldn't be desirable to me. I'd want it in a different color which I assumed was what they were going to do as it was how they handled the Analogue Pocket. It was unfortunate that I missed every one of those windows, but I still want a chance at a 3D with a different theme.

>>11877782
I'm not a fan of China either but the reality is that most of the items I've gotten were from China. If wages had kept up, I'd gladly dump the toxic stuff for the properly made originals. Wages cannot cover inflation and the constantly rising costs so tariffs just exasperate the issue.

>>11872238
>or is the whole project just vaporware?
This most likely. No one can get N64 emulation perfect, no one, not at this time and it shows.

>>11878258
You being unable to afford things isn’t a cope on my part. I’m getting one end of story. And I’ll enjoy it or if I want I’ll sell it for double the price if I don’t like the reviews. It’s a fun interesting piece of tech also this is an anonymous board, lmao u went from calling names to threatening to beat someone up we all know ur just a fat neckbeard who couldn’t waddle his way to me fast enough to land a punch without falling over. The level of pathetic doesn’t get any lower than this lmao.

>>11878767
How is it emulation you’re just plugging in your carts and turning it on.

>>11878767
>>11879724
the fpga core is nearly 100%
get with the times grandpa

>>11879715
>malding

>>11879939
The poorfag seethes

>>11879724
Emulation in terms of computers is generally referred to as "he use of an application, program, or device to imitate the behaviour of a different program or device". There is no concrete definition of the exact terms in regards to vidoegame consoles though and some argue "An emulator is hardware or software that enables one computer system (called the host) to behave like another computer system (called the guest)" while others argue "software which emulates video game consoles".

Those last two examples are both from Wikipedia so not even the same source agrees if it only pertains to software or also hardware.

But generally when people talk about emulators, especially in regards to consoles, they are talking about software emulation. There is actually some debate on emulation and FPGA circles if using a FPGA "counts" as emulation or not since it works fundamentally differently from software and replicates the system electronically, though most lean towards separating them as software emulation and hardware emulation. That being said though, just because you can "plug in a cart and turn it on" does not mean there is no emulation happening. The FPGA in and of itself is not discrete hardware, it gets programmed to mimic the internals of the N64. It does this electronically, true, but it's still mimicking it and isn't a set-in-stone chip that does it physically. Doing it this way offers many advantages over softtware emulation, but it's not the same as having discrete hardware... though depending how well the FPGA can be programmed it can be utterly indistinguishable for the most part, enough that it could be possible to use a FPGA physically in place of a damaged chip in the original system and this in fact does happen for older (generally computer) hardware to function as a replacement for parts that are now hard to get.

>>11880024
>replicates the system electronically
It doesn't, though. It's just an approximation.

>>11872232 (OP)
>tariffs that had no effect on anything
>localized entirely in this one sketchy product that everyone knew was never going to release anyways
lol

lmao

>>11880104
Yes it does. Like I said, depends on the core, some of them are pretty much full clones.

>>11880114
There is still a tariff on stuff from China, it was just reduced drastically from the utterly absurd amount that was attempted earlier. Really, the bigger problem is the end of shipments from China being duty-free de minimis. THAT is what allowed us to get shit from China for so cheap, not just the lack of tariffs. Basically, anything under $800 was exempt from import taxes from China, that has since been ended during this little temper tantrum and is likely to never come back, so even if there were no tariffs stuff from China is still going to cost more now because of that.

>>11880024
Okay, so if I sourced chips that were made from the time that did essentially the same thing as a 64 and set it up and made a 64 even back then from other parts that would still be considered emulation because I’m not using the EXACT chip motherboard etc of the 64? I guess my limited definition of emulation was a third party application or program that reads the information that’s been ripped from the software and allows you to play it w obviously older stuff like NES can be near perfect or stuff like 64 which is not as finished. I never really thought of like say, the retron (the system that plays snes nes and something else has like 3 top ports) as being an emulator but by the definition you’re using sounds like it is.

>>11880684
>Okay, so if I sourced chips that were made from the time that did essentially the same thing as a 64 and set it up and made a 64 even back then from other parts that would still be considered emulation because I’m not using the EXACT chip motherboard etc of the 64?
First of all, that would be impossible because the chip are proprietary Nintendo parts, you couldn't just go order one from Digikey or Mouser or whatever would have been the equivalent for back then.

Second, no, that's not emulation. That would just be a clone system. The difference here is you are using chips specifically made for that purpose, you aren't using a CPU or a programmable chip to simulate those very chips you used to build that Clone64.

>I guess my limited definition of emulation was a third party application or program that reads the information that’s been ripped from the software and allows you to play it w obviously older stuff like NES can be near perfect or stuff like 64 which is not as finished.
It doesn't read the ROM to determine what it should do with it, that would practically be magic, or Star-Trek level AI which might as well be magic, it's already setup to try to simulate the system and then you load the ROM into that simulated system.

>>11880684
>>11880752
>I never really thought of like say, the retron (the system that plays snes nes and something else has like 3 top ports) as being an emulator but by the definition you’re using sounds like it is.
It definitely is. The Retron is basically just a RaspberryPi with a cartridge dumper.

This is actually a key difference between software and hardware emulation. Software emulators cannot run the game directly off a cartridge, they need to dump a ROM of it first then run that ROM. This means that the emulator itself needs to support any additional hardware on the cartridge or it won't work, because it's not running the cartridge itself and thus not running off of it's chips. Depending on how the cartridge is designed you might not even have direct access to the chips and they could be behind the ROM or other components. Software emulation basically can only interact with software. There were many homebrew games that did not work on the Polymega for example because of this.

Hardware emulation is different. Because it simulates the system on an electronic level, this means that it would be possible to design it so it can directly connect to the cart the same way original hardware did, and because of this run the game off the special chips (if any) on the cart as if it was in a real system. Though to be fair MiSTer does not do this, it just runs dumps (Though there was someone working on an adapter for the Multisystem 2 version of the MiSTer that had it running the games of of real Gameboy carts as a proof of concept).
(continued)

>>11880752
>>11880757
Analogue's systems generally however DO run the games directly off the cartridge and generally don't even support running a ROM dump (unless you hack it) so unless the game does something very VERY precise that the FPGA core is not accurate enough to replicate, it should work on such a system just fine even if it just came out with a new custom chip nobody else ever used before. Hardware emulation lets you do this to electronically connect to other original accessories too (such as controllers, or link cables) which not only increases the number of accessories that would work (many USB adapters would not work with some non-standard or special controllers) but it adds no additional latency (USB adapters add latency because they have to go through multiple layers of converting the controller signals back and fourth)

>>11880758
Thanks for the info

>>11878138
>So who then is selling these ugly little boxes?
I can't imagine how retarded you must actually be. It's free software you install onto a MicroSD card that you put into a compatible FPGA board. Literally it's the software that makes it a MiSTer and that is completely free of charge.

>>11878258
Indian

>>11872232 (OP)
Imagine buying shit from China..

>>11878754
>the reality is that most of the items I've gotten were from China.
Obviously.

>>11878754
>If wages had kept up,

You do realize that the reason your wages have been shit or stagnant and why younger people can't find stable, high paying jobs is because the Jews shipped millions of jobs from the US to China and SEA.

Buying Chinese only deepens your poverty and lack of opportunities.

>>11882827
India got all the tech support jobs. And pretty much anything concerning phone support. Including banking which is insane since about 98% of all scammers are indian.

You know you can just buy a real Nintendo 64, right? Put a RetroGEM in it and it's simply better than that overpriced bullshit.

>>11882889
>RetroGEM
That thing is like $150 at it's cheapest, and that version only does 720p, even the most expensive version that can put you at over $200 only does up to 1080p, and then you have to install it yourself which is NOT a simple job and not at all for people who do not have experience soldering to small points.

And that's just for the RetroGEM, if you don't have an N64 you also have to get one of those, an expansion pak, and would likely need to replace the controller's (if it comes with one) analog stick if not also recap the console and/or it's PSU.

This thing goes up to 4K and includes filters and bluetooth controller support. as well as comes with a new controller that is less awkward to use than the original.

>>11882812
You’re right no one is making money off it or pushing for a mister for anything but the goodness of their hearts:
https://misteraddons.com/

>>11882821
>>11882827
It is a catch-22 sort of paradox. Due to wages being so low, I can only afford the generic garbage from China. The cost of living is has exponentially increased and those companies are just unwilling to provide living wages that even couple with a side hustle it is not enough. It was not my decision to ship jobs away, nor do I think it was any particular group that made the decision. Analogue could have also chosen all sorts of production methods, invest in black-owned businesses, diversify their supply chains, or sourcing local parts would have been more preferable paths than relying on the unstable Chinese business environment.

>>11883527
It’s just cope from them missing out on reserving one. Otherwise why would all these people recommend stuff that is either more expensive or comparably priced and so vitriolic about it. Is this where all the console flame warriors went? “U can’t buy this thing it’s dumb and so are you, buy a mister, buy this other thing that does actually cost the same or more that does less.” I’m just happy I have one reserved. Didn’t realize all the seething anytime it’s brought up would be an added bonus.

11883626
>This bait again
You really are mindbroken aren't you? You forgot to also claim that it's $600.

>>11883640
>It’s just cope from them missing out on reserving one. Otherwise why would all these people recommend stuff that is either more expensive or comparably priced and so vitriolic about it.
I honestly think some people here seriously believe that "shills" for some reason hover all over this minor part of a has-been board to do nothing but attempt to stealth-advertise products that instantly sell out anyway. They seriously must either have paranoid mental problems or have a massively over-inflated perception of how much this place would matter in terms of making even the smallest scratch in additional sales. I also think some people are either so paranoid about being "ripped off" or think that being against everything new makes them appear smart and superior that they shun anything new. They're too smart and superior to fall for the "scam" that is... literally anything made after the 90s that would appeal to the retro community.

And of course, some are just trolling, like that misteraddons/$600 guy.

>>11883686
Both posts were by me. Idc if people buy a mister or not, but when multiple people start calling names for not buying a mister and then say it’s all free and fpga and this and that no, it isn’t free, and yes someone is making money off of it so I just linked the 2nd result in google when I typed in mister. This wasn’t a thread about it yet here they come out of the woodwork as u can see just perusing this thread. You won’t see me in threads calling people retarded for buying a Krizz everdrive when I just got my summercart, all I say is I’m testing it and I’ll let anyone who cares to know my opinion of it, in the thread actually talking about a summercart. You also won’t catch me in a mister thread calling people names for not using another product. It doesn’t seem natural or organic when the reaction to anything new is “ur a retard buy a mister.”

We’re also talking about 250 dollars in a hobby where one game that sold millions can go for 100-150 (looking at u smash melee, silent hill, and pretty much anything gamecube that sold millions but was a mainline nintendo game). It’s really not that big an investment and I can always get a refund if the reviews are bad. Like it’s not sweat off my sack but w the amount of screeching from the mister crowd idk doesn’t seem rational and yeah, who else would even know or care about a mister outside of boards like this? I still sell n64s for 80-150 depending on what kind of controller or if they want an expansion pak so, from personal experience, I can sell 2-3 of my 64s for the cost of one of these, which is what I did, so I can find out if it’s a cool device for retro.

>>11883992
>but when multiple people start calling names for not buying a mister and then say it’s all free and fpga and this and that no, it isn’t free, and yes someone is making money off of it

I don't know where to even begin with all that is wrong with just that barely-English sentence.

1. Again, people only said that once someone posted they were only buying it to hack it yet did not want a mister. That's like buying an Xbox just to hack it for Linux instead of using something like a Pi.

2. Nobody ever said the MiSTer is "free", they said that it's open source and the software is free.

3. Just because there are people selling open-source devices does not mean there is some Big Mister Inc. that is secretly profiting from it all and you are some clever hackermann that sees through their evil plans. Did you know you could buy install DVDs of various Linux distros? Are you going to say that Linux is not free now? Do you even know how open source works if you think people are not allowed to sell open source-based devices? Or the fact that the main board used in it is from a company that has nothing to do with the MiSTer or even gaming in general?

>This wasn’t a thread about it yet here they come out of the woodwork as u can see just perusing this thread.
YOU were the one who mentioned it in reply to my post where I was just talking about the RetroGEM and didn't even mention the MiSTer, you terminal retard.

>You won't catch me bringing up things in other threads
You literally brought up the mister in reply to a post that never talked about the mister

>$250
>Also brings up the mister AGAIN
Are too stupid to even comprehend the post you replied to? I was arguing in FAVOR of the Analogue 3D over getting an N64 and HDMI modding it you moron. It's clear you are utterly assblasted butthurt about the mister, YOU are the one who can't stop bringing it up and then mald about how much you hate it. Take your goddamn meds.

>>11884024
That’s a lot of words but u didn’t even bother to read mine so all I’ll say is have a nice day sir. U seem really angry. I said if you peruse this thread u can see people bringing up the mister for no reason. If I say I want to hack an Xbox or a new n64 type product what in the blue hell does that have to do with a mister. But hey man, don’t read the thread and just come through w paragraphs spitting out name calling like ur an undisciplined little child.

I’m still getting one and I’m excited about it.

>>11884036
>Constantly loses his shit over the mister
>Claims others are angry
Living in delusion is not good for your mental health. Then again, you do things like say "U" and "ur" and bring up arguments that don't even have anything to do with the discussion at hand so I assume it's already gone.

And you think I give a shit if you're getting one? I never said not to get one, I even recommended one over modding a real N64, you know, in that post where you hallucinated that I brought up the mister and went on a barely-legible rant about it? I only ever said that it's silly to buy one JUST to hack it over just getting a mister, the person who said they only wanted to hack it talking about up mister before I did. You have very selective reading, it's almost like you are intentionally only seeing what you want to see so you can keep your mister conspiracy delusion.

I think I will now intentionally bring it up at every opportunity I can just so I can see you lose your shit and write 8-year-old level posts complaining about it while laughing my ass off at your malding. And no, I won't care if you try to go "Well I have an Analogue and am happy with it" because I have nothing against Analogue systems, I just think it's stupid to buy one just to hack it, just like I think it's stupid to buy an Xbox just to put Linux on it over using a Pi, but I have nothing against getting an Xbox to play games on it.

>>11884091
Don’t care, still getting one. Enjoy your angry ranting!

>>11884117
>Didn't even read that I don't care if he buys one
The retardation is strong in this one

>>11884124
Is it like a personal joy going on message boards and calling people names? Must be a sad life bruh. Still getting one and gonna post about it. Hope you get one too and enjoy it. Maybe it’ll chill you out to actually go play some games! I just took down Volvogia in OoT. Can’t wait to replay the game on the analogue on a 4k tv to see the differences etc. should be tight if it releases w everything they said it would.

>>11884146
Your trolling is getting desperate at this point, unable to resist replying I see.

>>11884158
I honestly hope u get one and enjoy it. I’m sorry I’m not in the mood to type a bunch of random insults, I feel to good right now.

>>11884172
Doubt it, for me personally I would rather mod one of my N64 or just use my MiSTer. Not because I have anything against Analogue, but because I would rather either use the original hardware or just use the FPGA device I already have in it's place. Not a fan of RetroGEM's junk though, the previous N64 HDMI mod was much better if you ask me, gave you both RGB and HDMI for about the price of the shittier version of the RetroGEM. Charging $130 for a 720p mod in 2025 and making you pay closer to $200 to take to 1080p, neither of which at least support RGB, is downright criminal.

I would much rather just use a dedicated upscaler anyway to both get 4K and replicate CRT effects that are lost over just straight HDMI.

>>11884198
The other thing w analogue is that w the onset of these decomps and recomps allowing for possible, albeit still shaky, online play w things like Mario kart could eventually be a thing if u can hack the analogue. If they can work out those emulators on pc then I don’t see why it would be outside the realm of possibility to get it running on the analogue whether it be through a hack or a modded rom on a cart or sd card. Admittedly, this is wishful thinking on my part but it does have WiFi and Bluetooth so… it seems like it could be possible. THAT, would be amazing to just grab one of these follow a guide on YouTube and be able to play Mario kart online w it, w the additions of like all the single player stuff in the multiplayer part, for example the full train in the desert course.

>>11884215
>decomps and recomps allowing for possible, albeit still shaky, online play w things like Mario kart could eventually be a thing if u can hack the analogue
If it would work that wouldn't be exclusive to analogue though, it's also very hard to pull something like that off on "real" (or close to it like FPGA) hardware, a lot of software emulator netplay techniques rely on what are essentially savestates to keep things in sync.

>If they can work out those emulators on pc then I don’t see why it would be outside the realm of possibility to get it running on the analogue whether it be through a hack or a modded rom on a cart or sd card.
Because you are comparing apples to oranges. Software emulation is an entirely different beast compared to FPGA. That's like saying if emulators can run Mario 64 rendered natively at 4K 120FPS and with HD textures (I am assuming you are aware that when the Analogue 3D says 4K, they mean they are just upscaling the 240p/480p image up to 4K, not actually making the game run natively in 4K) then a FPGA N64 should be able to too! Just because a software emulator can do something does not mean a FPGA emulator can. Also people generally get these things for accuracy, the more you do stuff like this the more you are messing with the accuracy of the emulation.

>>11884260
So you’re telling me there’s a chance!

>>11884260
Also yea I know it’s outputting 4k I’m just super curious to see what that looks like on my 4k tv.

>>11884394
>So you’re telling me there’s a chance!
I guess? Just very unlikely, and even less likely that it won't have problems.

>>11884398
Not*

>>11884398
>>11884418
I mean, technically it is outputting 4K, it's just not rendering in 4K but instead rendering in 240p or 480p, upscaling that image to 4K, and then outputting that as a 4K signal.

Really, the only benefit (outside of any possible filters that might take advantage of that over 1080p) is that depending on your TV it might slightly reduce latency from having to make the TV upscale a lower res image to 4K.

>>11872232 (OP)
Doubt
Also they’ve got to compete with Modretro now

>>11884447

>>11884435
So... why not use 1080i to make the TV bump things up to 60+ frames per second?
It's the laziest way to deal with games that have poor frame rates.

>>11884450
Hell yeah, thanks for the heads up. Any other news on that thing or just that pic?

>>11884509
At the moment, just a bit of talking
They’ve just released a refresh and new stock for their GBC, so they’re probably working on it now 100%

>>11884530
Yup just signed up for the announcement or whatever. I’m such a mark for n64 stuff not gonna lie/make it

>>11884494
The systems were generally outputting in interlaced anyway, you aren't going to double the framerate just by outputting 1080i instead of 1080p over hdmi, especially when that's not what resolution the original systems were rendering at anyway.

>>11883527
It's all scaling. It makes no difference. Scaling is scaling. You're not buying a magic 4K n64.

>>11883626
Why isn't this troll banned?

>>11883637
So you lied about not being able to afford authentic consoles and games. Your pictures proves you are lying.
You have an illness.

>>11883992
How are you so fucking retarded?
>someone is making money off of it
So the whole project needs to go in to the toilet?

The biggest scam in /vr/ is analogue.

>>11884970
I know, I literally said that in my later posts. I was saying that it's completely not worth it to buy an N64, fix up up, and then install a RetroGEM in it over getting an Analogue 3D. RetroGEM itself is a ripoff for the "premium" version only going up to 1080p while costing almost as much as the entire Analogue 3D itself.

>>11884494
>why not use 1080i to make the TV bump things up to 60+ frames per second
What the FUCK does this mean? Do you really think interlacing unstable 20-30fps games makes it go to 60+ on your TV? Why do you think that's how TVs and framerates work?
>>11884551
N64 games are overwhelmingly presented in a progressive 240p, with a handful of games outputting 480i in a "Hi-Rez" mode which tanks the framerate even further.

What the fuck is going on with this board? Have we had a sudden influx of absolute retard third worlders all of a sudden? So many "please spoonfood me info" threads too which is typical of entitled ESL 80IQ anons. No wonder your countries suck so much if this is how you go through life.

>>11884975
No one ever said that and I’ve repeatedly said Idc if people buy one just shut the fuck up about it when the thread has literally nothing to do w it. U fucking shill. U just make shit up to get angry about to what? Persuade people to buy it. Idk anyone looking at your posts and would be like yea I’ll listen to that guy. He sounds totally reasonable. Moron

>>11885245
If you don’t like the thread then gtfo because u just seem butthurt and throwing trendy phrases around like “spoonfeed” you seem very unpleasant and since u don’t like the thread fuck off

>>11884971
Why don’t u jump into the tranny thread that’s not being taken down. I feel like you would be more at home in that thread.

>>11885261
Hi butthurt ESL (English Second Language) poster! Just letting you know that "spoonfeed" is not a buzzword and is in fact a commonly used term in the English language that dates back to the 1600s! Hope you language skills improve!

>>11885265
NTA but you have to be 18 to post here, all of your posts are a textbook example of a teenager thinking they are being edgy.

>>11885265
Hope “your” language skills improve. Moron.

>>11885265
And it hasn’t been commonly used until 1863. You couldn’t even use google correctly since you saw 1600 in the answer but that was for its literal use and not the common phrase associated with the meaning you’re using until 1863. You’re obviously a 3rd worlder and you’re just wrong.

>>11874529
>mars
>to emulate n64
Why are so many mips related projects called mars?

>>11885283
NTA but who gives a fuck, seriously. The person you're replying to is a dickhead but this is next level autism and pedantry. Both spoonfed and spoonfeeding are not buzzwords in any sense of that term.

>>11885297
The literal same thing can be said for you. Why even make this post? Spoonfeeding is a buzzword around here because it’s used so loosely and all the time demean people asking questions or looking for conversation on message board, to the point it really doesn’t mean anything anymore just signals a fag whose angry.

>>11885305
>5+ threads a day that are some variation of "Is Mario 3 a good game?" or ESL-tier "Does Goldeneye aged badly?"
>Responses are rightfully "play it for yourself and find out"
>OMG HE'S JUST ASKING QUESTIONS OKAY? SPOONFEEDING IS A BUZZWORD AND YOU'RE KILLING GOOD THREADS!!
What annoys people isn't the fact that threads are started with questions, its that the threads are started by people who haven't played the game and all their questions could be answered after 1 hour of just playing that game. If that's not spoonfeeding, I don't know what the fuck is.

>>11885294
Mars is based on FPGA, not MIPS
Yes this is a joke

>>11885340
Mars FPGA is based on thin air because its not fucking real

Glad I'm going with the SuperStation + SuperDock. Any N64 FPGA - WHICH IS EMULATION - will work on that as well.

>>11885543
I think the point of these is to play your original carts anon
Why not just use a mister at that point

>>11885567
It is a Mister matey

>>11885590
Yes, why do you think I said just get one

::bring up mister out of nowhere::

::claim anyone who doesn’t want to hear about it in a thread that has nothing to do with it is a moron::

::tell everyone you’re going to post about it more just try and annoy people in the thread having a genuine talk on the topic::

::claim you’re just trolling to avoid any responses::

I just don't understand why no one makes an FPGA board to shell swap into dead systems, or to get an aftermarket shell and build your own. The closest thing is building a Famiclone, but you need a real PPU/CPU.

>>11885870
I didn’t bring it up out of nowhere
Anon was talking about a PS1 specialised Mister to play N64 games

>>11885037
You can buy a N64 and mod it because that option exists. The other doesn't.

>>11885258
So why don't you...
>just shut the fuck up about it
then

>>11887272
Why don’t YOU stick to the topic of the thread? This is a thread about the analogue and whether it’s vaporware or not. You can easily start a mister thread hell I’ll even start one for you so u can fuck off to their!

>>11887628
There*

I had to pay $145 on a $1300 purchase I imported from the UK.

>>11887649
????

anal

>>11887649
Yea what?

>>11887791
lol!

>>11887628
You really can't stop talking about it. You don't understand it and it frustrates the hell out of you.

>>11887649
The UK is an embarrassment. You live in a country whose government hates its native people more than any other ethnicity.

>>11887791
anal_log ThreeDeezNuts

>>11888401
No I started a whole thread for u fag. Why don’t u go check it out and relegate talking to the point of this thread. Why don’t u go shit yourself in that thread, which has all kinds of claims of accuracy especially when it comes to n64 lmao.

11888801
Retard won't stop yammering about homosexuals and a thing he claims to hate and made a thread about.

>>11888815
Haha you are a literal child. U have to be at least 18 mentally as well as physically to post here. I made the thread and sure enough people in there debating the accuracy of the n64, which is hilarious and does apply to this since you could spend 180 (the figure a pro mister quoted me w a link) and the analogue is 250 and actually works specifically for the n64 and potentially could be hacked to play a lot more. I think u missed out on the preorders and are just shit flinging. Good luck irl lmao

>>11888403
I do? No, I was importing something from the UK.

>>11888865
What were u importing?

11888829
Literally won't stop yammering about what ever the fuck he's typing about.

>>11889476
I’ll be sure to post a ton when I get mine just for you, lovely anon.