Why does the N64 and GameCube controller get so much hate?

Why did you make the same thread on /g/ and /v/?

Just jumping in to say I hate the N64 and GameCube controllers and will now leave not explaining as is the thirty year old tradition.

>>11873156 (OP)
Just LOOK at them.

>>11873156 (OP)
They're fine controllers as long as you only play exclusive games that are designed with their faults in mind.

>>11873156 (OP)
They're my two favourite controllers of all time

>>11873156 (OP)
N64 controller isn't awful except for the stick having terrible reliability. There were plenty of other ways to build an analog stick even back then, analog joysticks were extremely common and the final design we've ended up with on most controllers since the Dualshock is just a miniature version of some older stick designs.
GameCube controller was poorly designed on purpose. Shitty C-nub, terrible dpad, lack of buttons... It's not like Nintendo didn't know any better as some of these issues weren't present in some of the prototype controllers we know about. They just really really wanted to make something unique instead of something good.

"They hate us 'cuz they anus."

>>11873156 (OP)
No one hates the Gamecube controller, it's obviously a very well-built and ergonomic controller whose button layout works very well for the games it was designed for (Mario, Mario Kart, Melee) but not so much for third parties which were almost all designed around the Dualshock layout (Xbox ALSO suffered from this mind you, Tony Hawk and SSX had some really annoying compromises on the controls)

The N64 controller is just weird and cramped but it does have unmatched analog stick precision which makes it really the only option for F-Zero X

>>11873473
Everyone hated the GameCube controller what are you talking about? The dpad is so nonfunctional it can’t even be used to consistently pull of taunts on melee. The c stick is abysmal. I guess u had to be there.

If the 64 controller had the stick and d-pad switched around like the Hori controller it would be fine.
>>11873352
The original stick is still more durable than the chinkshit they used in the N64 Switch controller. They also replaced the optical encoders with imprecise potslop.

>>11873156 (OP)
The GC controller is the best controller ever made, and if they made one with a proper left bumper, proper right analog stick + pressing the analogs down, +/-/home buttons, and d-buttons instead of a pad it would top the original

>>11874337
>The GC controller is the best controller ever made
Wrong.

>>11873156 (OP)
Look at them.

>>11873156 (OP)
They look like fisher price toys, which is very fitting for nintendo.

>>11873156 (OP)
If the 64 had a select button, it would be my favorite retro controller aside from the stick reliability. It's a more ergonomic 6 button SNES controller with a stick in the middle. The logic is sound, if a bit dated. If the thing had a D-pad more like the NES or a Sega controller, it'd be great.

>>11873156 (OP)
They designed the N64 in order to maximize control variety, somehow unaware of the fact that having a homogenous control system is always preferable, probably the only advantage that consoles ever had over computers, until standardized computer controllers became a thing later on.

The Gamecube controller is batshit stupid.

>>11874362
I never had one, I'm assuming the shape is as uncomfortable as a 360 controller since it looks similar
luv me parallel analog sticks though

>>11873296
This anon gets it. The gamecube particularly felt like ass for multiplats, while a lot of its exclusives were made with its retardation in mind so they felt better. N64 is fine but we have that topic almost every single day anymore.

>>11873156 (OP)
Gamecube controller is one of the best controllers ever made. N64 is horrible though.

>>11874447
>having a homogenous control system is always preferable, probably the only advantage that consoles ever had over computers

????

>>11873486
if you can use a GBA dpad you can use a GC dpad

>>11873156 (OP)
N64
>Original anal log stick is fucked and replacements are expensive
>"3 arms to use it!" meme
>Only thing right is 6 face buttons

Cube
>Shit d-pad
>No Clickable analog sticks
>No Left shoulder button or select button
>Wavebird version removes rumble
>Reduces the amount of face buttons from 6 to 4

They're not as bad as the original Xbox controllers.

>>11875413
>No Clickable analog sticks
Good. I fucking HATE clicking in the analog sticks to do shit in games and I wish it had never caught on.

>>11875413
How many people were using the D pad though, seriously. I never understood this criticism.

>>11873156 (OP)
>the saturn is saved!

>>11875860
>How many people were using the D pad though, seriously.
No one, BECAUSE it was shit.

>>11875860
>why are people complaining about the dpad if it was so shitty that nobody ever used it?
low iq individual

>>11875869
He's probably the type of person that sees nothing wrong with playing 2D games on an analog stick and thinks people who use d-pads are weird.

>>11875869
Who was using a D pad to play games at all that generation though? I owned GC and PS2 and unironically never did this unless it was like for a menu or non motion control related. The first time I ever noticed a D pad being bad was on the 360 which just felt cheap and shitty but I never remember using it either.

>>11875880
fighting games were released in that generation, anon

They're bad one-size-fits-all controllers, which coincided with the Dualshock perfecting that use case on its first try. That said, as someone who enjoys using specialty controllers, there's nothing I would rather play Monkey Ball or PSO with them the GameCube pad

>>11875882
Yeah I remember playing them and not having these thoughts. Also I don;t remember anyone complaining about the controller for Smash Bros, the most ubiquitous fighting game on the Gamecube. I've actually never even heard of people not liking the D pad until I posted here.

>>11875871
Honestly if I'm not playing on an arcade stick, I've always been just fine playing 2D games with an analog stick. Sometimes with shmups I will alternate between stick and pad depending on how tappy a particular pattern is to dodge but it's always felt comfortable to me. First console was the Mega Drive

>>11875889
Shmups are the only reason to really use the D pad and the Gamecube had maybe a port of Ikaruga and that's it.

>>11875887
>he plays traditional fighting games with the analog stick
lmfao
>he doesn't understand why smash had to be played with the analog stick
this is a joke, right?

>>11875889
Arcade sticks are digital inputs like d-pads. Playing a game that uses only digital inputs on an analog stick makes no sense, it just makes it take more time (by an inconsistent amount, to boot) to switch directions or go back to neutral.

>>11875894
>Muh opinion
I distinctly remember this opinion not being held at all.

>>11875893
It also had Chaos Field, Shikigami no Shiro 2, and Radirgy, and run n guns like Alien Hominid

Honestly the reason why I started getting more comfortable with using the analog stick for 2D games was because I tried to use the dinky d pad to play Mega Man Network Transmission and it was awful

>>11875894
I've been told by more than one person that they play 2D fighters on an analog stick because "it's like an arcade stick." Most people are actually just functionally retarded and see that both are "sticks" and think that makes them identical, with zero comprehension of the difference between digital and analog inputs.

>>11875897
Objectively you're correct about digital inputs, and I'm not trying to tell anyone else what to do, just sharing my own experience. Any pad with an analog stick has a dpad that's either in a weird position, is too mushy, or both. Wii classic controller pro got it right exactly once and then nobody ever made a symmetrical dual analog stick with a good d pad again. So I adapted.

>>11875903
it's not an opinion but a fact that dpad is a superior input method for traditional fighting games, because they are designed with digital (not analog) inputs in mind. this is not some fringe opinion but something well-known to fighting game players since the early 00s.
the fact that you are ignorant of common knowledge does not change this. it merely marks you as ignorant.

>>11875910
Sadly, I too have encountered this.

>>11875916
I'm saying I don't remember people hating the Gamecube D-pad at all. What you're saying is also still a matter of opinion.

>>11875912
>nobody ever made a symmetrical dual analog stick with a good d pad again
Pic related + Mayflash adapter is my favorite controller to use for everything.

>>11875925
again, your ignorance is only proof of your own ignorance.
it is not a matter of opinion that traditional fighting games are designed around digital inputs, making the dpad an objectively better input method.

>>11875929
Interesting, I don't think I've ever actually encountered one of these. I could see this being a great option, probably feels even better in the hands than the classic pro

Is it the same input as the Wii Nunchuck/NES Classic controller? I have that Mayflash adapter already so this could work well.

>>11875935
>Is ignorant of what an opinion is
Anyways, I still don't remember hearing this opinion at all until posting here.

>>11875945
again, it is an objective fact that traditiona fighting games are designed to accept and handle digital inputs.
it therefore follows, also as objective fact, that d-pad is a better input method for these games than an analog stick.
this is simply not a matter of opinion in any way.

>>11875935
Could you beat 100% of fighting game players that play on an analog stick?

>>11875938
>Is it the same input as the Wii Nunchuck/NES Classic controller?
It's a fully wireless standalone controller, so it doesn't connect to a Wiimote if that's what you mean.

The GC controller was fine but was nothing to get excited about.
The Dpad sucked also the position and number of buttons made it really a controller you can only use for stuff designed for the GC where it works well.

>>11875957
Oh gotcha. Thanks for the tips anon, I'll look into what I'd need to get for this

>>11873156 (OP)
>N64
Awkward three-handled design makes it impossible to access all buttons at the same time, analog stick wears down and becomes difficult to use over time
>Gamecube
Weird button layout, tiny D-pad (same one used on the OG GBA in fact), C-stick makes aiming awkward in FPS games, looks like a fisher price toy

>>11873486
>can’t even be used to consistently pull of taunts on melee.
You must suffer from some form of physical (or perhaps mental) disability.

>>11875964
>tiny D-pad (same one used on the OG GBA in fact)
I never used an OG GBA but it can't really be that bad right? The GC dpad is unusable for 2D games. Tiny, too elevated, constant misinputs. And the GBA SP dpad at least is one of the better dpads of all time.

>>11875954
yes.

>>11875976
What are your specialties and what's your name on Fightcade? Would be fun to test this later

>>11874362
Naw. That's peak slop, mate.
>Let's strip ergos and make everything the same as everyone else
GC controller is light years ahead of that thing.

>>11875887
>I've actually never even heard of people not liking the D pad until I posted here.
Same.

Because zoomers who never played a real N64 in their life take one look at it and repeat the braindead "LOL three hands!" meme without knowing that you was never meant to use all three parts of the controller at once and that even the manual mentions this. They can't conceive that the controller had different ways to hold it and having an analog thumbstick was different and experimental at the time.

As for Gamecube, like another Anon said, just LOOK at it! It looks like concepts from several different controllers were tossed into a blender. A giant A button in the middle, orbited by a smaller B button and kidney-shaped X and Y buttons. Having two shoulder buttons on one side but one on the other. Two different styles of analog sticks, with the second being considered """button""" "C" but is actually an analog input, and a d-pad made for ants. Anyone who thinks this is a good controller design has brain damage, which is probably not surprising that Melee players think it's the best controller ever made.

Sadly, it's mostly the N64 controller I see get hate, not the GC which deserves the hate but seems to mostly get praise.

>>11875954
you could use a hammer to put 100% of all screws into a wall. that doesn't make it a better tool for the job than a screwdriver

>>11875983
>dox yourself on 4chan
lol, no.

>>11876001
The games I think the GameCube controller makes the most sense for are games where you have a main Primary action that feels good to use with the A button. It's nice to have your finger rest on the main action and have close proximity to all of the other actions. 3D platformers fit this bill, as does F-Zero where you're holding down the accelerator most of the time you're playing.

>>11876002
>Damaging the wall and screw and making future repairs more tedious is basically the same thing as this
I accept your concession

>>11876003
>I'm not a poser trust me
And yours

>>11876004
>The games I think the GameCube controller makes the most sense for are games where you have a main Primary action that feels good to use with the A button.
Yet Smash is the game people most want to use with that controller, a fighting game that relies on more than just one primary action, to the point where they STILL want to use it on modern versions of Smash.

>as does F-Zero where you're holding down the accelerator most of the time you're playing
F-Zero is a racing game, they have analog triggers... it was the ONLY controller they ever made with analog triggers, acceleration should be on the analog triggers, not a digital button that only has the two states of full stop or full throttle.

>>11876012
I'd argue that Smash fits too because Smash attacks are your primary method of getting kill shots so it makes sense to have them on the big button, and you can roll your thumb to jump with X. I don't really play smash that often though so you'll have to take that up with those people

>>11876007
>I'm going to posture and pretend I beat objective facts
ok

>>11873156 (OP)
Did they fix the dpad in the nos GameCube controllers or is it still completely unusable

>>11876007
>if you don't identify yourself on 4chan (an anonymous imageboard) you're a poser
lol you're retarded

>>11875953
>How you prefer to play a game is not a matter of opinion

>>11876031
this isn't an issue of preference. whatever you prefer has no bearing on how the games are coded.
you can prefer an objectively inferior method of doing anything. that doesn't change the fact that it's objectively inferior.
frankly you seem like an absolute retard so i'm not going to bother to explain this to you again. feel free to celebrate being so stupid that people get tired of dealing with you.

>>11876048
If it's objectively inferior and I'm still racking up wins and 1CCs then it doesn't really matter that much. At worst I'm putting myself at a minor technical disadvantage that's offset by the additional comfort.

As the great Glenn Vilppu always says, "no rules, just tools"

>>11876075
>well ok i'm wrong but it doesn't matter
kek based retard

>>11875989
Wii U Pro fits in my hand infinitely better than the Gamecube controller. It's way more ergonomic.

>>11876091
Little bro, you had your chance to prove you actually know how to play video games and you tucked your tail between your legs. Wanting to keep anonymity is a cute excuse but the conversation would have been exactly the same anywhere else. Keep yapping, it's all you actually know how to do

>>11876097
kel based retard

The best thing you can say about them is that they're divisive, at least that means they have character instead of conforming to a standard model. Do they feel as good as >>11874362 in your hands? Not quite, but they stand out, and that's enough for me. It's not like they're totally dysfunctional or ridiculous, idk why you'd rabidly hate them unless you think an xbox controller is the only thing that should ever exist.

>>11876157
>unless you think an xbox controller is the only thing that should ever exist.

>>11876023
So the dpad is still unusable. GameCube controller is the absolute worst 1st party controller for a systems since the 80s

>>11876007
>haha I found a minor flaw in your analogy guess I won kiddo
youre autistic
replace with Philips and flathead screwdrivers if it bothers you that much

>>11876001

>>11875962
nta but i have one of those too.
there are multiple options to use them on pc.
i have a brook ps2 converter that picks it up and can also be used on pc and gets detected as an xbox 360 controller that way.
the 8bitdo adapters also pick it up.

>>11876339
kek