Can someone explain the hate?

>>11880238 (OP)
>make shitty games
>get shat on

>>11880238 (OP)
So there's this nerd who gets angry at video games...

>>11880246
The Irate Gamer?

>>11880251
The Irate Gamer is not a nerd. He is a ghost-hunting gigachad.

>>11880238 (OP)
In the NES games a developer usually wasn't listed. The publisher was who was on the box and the dev was just some uncredited outsourcing firm. So LJN got blamed for all the shitty games Atlus and Rare made while their reputations got off scot free

>>11880238 (OP)
Publisher who mostly published licensed games in the 8 and 16 bit eras, majority of them were shit, most people didn't really think about the fact that LJN kept doing this much until AVGN made it a running gag to hate on them.

>>11880258
And a bunch of those shit games were developed by rare

>>11880238 (OP)
LJN was initially owned by MCA, meaning that they published games based on Universal movies. Later they got sold to Acclaim who used LJN as a label for lower tier games.

>>11880264
>And a bunch of those shit games were developed by rare

Rare, Atlus, Software Creations, BITS, Sculptured Software, Beam Software and a few others.; Those were the general go-to pool of developers that LJN contracted their games out to. Generally LGN just assigned short development schedule and most likely had minimal quality assurance early on, which lead to a lot of rushed games. Rare had a large assortment of clients, including Nintendo. Generally speaking the Nintendo published games like RC Pro-AM, Cobra Triangle, Snake Rattle and Roll and stuff like that were generally seen as rares best games. Nintendo also had a higher QA/ testing phase than all of the other publishers that Rare worked under. I would say that rares worst published games were generally under Milton Bradly. Tradewest (Battletoads) was a little better, Acclaim was almost like a continuation of LJN. They mostly made gameshow licensed games for GameTek (Wheel of Fortune, Jeopardy). Their output was different for each publisher. It is no different for any of the other developed that I mentioned. They were all 'work for hire' devs that jumped from publisher to publisher.

LJN did have one good game: Maximum Carnage.

>>11880264
Rare's games weren't that great before the 16 bit era, and especially before the NES era. Also don't know why you feel this is a gotcha like you have to defend LJN, even the best dev in the world is going to produce shit if the publisher demands a rushed game on a shoestring budget to maximize on the license.

>>11880254
Memes aside, he "hunts ghosts" because he's a full-blown christschizo who believes he is being gangstalked by them. It's not just some retarded immature hobby

>>11880275
it wasn't good.
Now return of sinister six on the NES, that's a real gem.

>>11880275
Nightmare on Elm Street is actually really good.

LJN was a publisher who got a lot of deals to adapt movies and other big properties. They tended to hire some studio to knock out a quick and rough cashgrab, and sometimes they'd even be cunts and cut the previously agreed upon development time short, and what you get is a bunch of games which typically aren't all that good, or are very rough around the edges, but where kids were suckered in by the popular property in question.

Sometimes, you look at these games and they look like they honestly wouldn't be bad if they had just gotten some fine tuning and a bit more development time.
On rare occasions, they got someone turn out a pretty damn good game.

>>11880246
He made a thing out of calling attention to it, but it's nonetheless real, most games published by LJN are not nearly as good as they should have been...

>>11880256
... which is typically LJN's fault for giving devs too little time to do proper work.

>>11880264
There were a bunch more, and I'll echo the sentiment that, aside from Wizards & Warriors, Rare didn't really hit their stride until the SNES.

>>11880275
True Lies was good as fuck too.

>>11880246
Game Dude?

>>11880275
I preferred separation anxiety, but maximum carnage wasn't bad

I'm going to tell you guys something that will probably create problems for me, but I'm drunk as shit and I can't keep it a secret any longer. The whole James being a beta cuck and Mike being some big dick behind the scenes chad is a smear campaign against James created by Mike because James had sex with Erin before he did. We all met at a con we went to that Erin was at, that's how the three of them met even if the story goes otherwise, and James and hit it off woth her and he fucked her a few days after, and Mike picked up the sloppy seconds later on. I wish I was joking, I'm sorry Mike you're a decent dude overall but the way you screwed me over by giving that production job to that fat faggot even though you said we were friends always burned me and the way you brushed me off the last time I texted you was enoigh for me to finally let go of your dirty laundry.

>>11882489
top lel. i believe you. nobody could post something like that with the perfect amount of drunken typos alongside mostly decent grammar and hyper specific anecdotes and not be telling the truth.

>>11882497
I'm telling the truth, I've known those guys since our 20s and I'm 44 now. We went to the same college and met during a party. I helped out in some of the early avgn vids but I didn't want tonbe credited because I thought it was just dumb funny cringe shit that wouldnt go much of anywhere. I tagged along with them in the 00s as a buddy to help out because we were all still on good terms, and then drama started when a bunch of random fags entered the picture and women got involved. James used to be an unironic gigachad and fucked tons of girls after getting youtube famous but then he settled down with that jewy cunt in like 07 or 08, but he would still fuck other chicks on the side. One was Erin and it was fine st first but then she inserted herself into the whole thing, Mike took a liking to her and then he started to get jealous when she was more interested in helping to produce avgn than Mike's random shit, because he wanted to branch off from avgm and start his own thing.

>>11880256
In the world of creation, unless they're totally hands-off, commissioners do indeed play a role in the quality (or lack of quality) in the finished product. Considering LJN worked with some really good developers, like Atlus, Westone, and Rare, yet the games they published were almost universally mediocre at best, you have to come to conclusion that LJN as the publisher, the one common factor, must have played some role in the resulting games being of typically low quality. Whether it was low budgets, short development times, meddling too much with what the devs were trying to make ("no no, you HAVE to incorporate this [retarded] mechanic that I came up with, gamers will love it!"), or going "yeah, you said what you're showing us is only 50% complete... but how about you guys just tack on an ending, iron out the remaining bugs, and call it 100% complete, because we want to get this to market ASAP," or all of the above, there was probably a reason why the LJN logo became a seal of mediocrity.

>>11882542
>meddling too much with what the devs were trying to make ("no no, you HAVE to incorporate this [retarded] mechanic that I came up with, gamers will love it!")


I don't think LJN really meddled much with the actual game development process. It seems like they just had a selection of licenses to work from (Friday the 13th, Back to the Future, Jaws, Karate Kid...) and just assigned each license to whatever developers had an opening for a new game to develop. I would say, LJN most likely just told devs to have x, y and z, games complete before a certain time frame. First, second third or forth quarter of the year. It seems very fly by night kind of development. I'm sure they had some guidelines, for each franchise. Early LJN really seemed like a publisher that just got things done fast. But to their credit, their games generally did sell really well on the NES. which is why they are so well remembered as a 'bad' publisher. Their games were bargain bin fodder.

>>11882489
>>11882512
Go tell it to the spergs at the farms, we don't care.

>>11883601
>we
lol
cringe

>>11880264
That's because LJN determined the deadlines for those games. If you have to rush something because the one giving you money to produce it says so, you dont have much of a choice.
Its no coincidence Rare got really good once they stopped working with LJN

>>11882489
>>11882512

So James is actually...Le Good?

>>11882489
>The whole James being a beta cuck and Mike being some big dick behind the scenes chad is a smear campaign against James created by Mike because James had sex with Erin before he did
it's been known for years actually.
Mike was the one pushing the memes on reddit, James simply doesn't use social media so he didn't cared.

>>11880238 (OP)
Basically it was a company that profited off of big movies. Remember, the game biz still wasn’t as big as the film industry. So anytime a big movie came out, you could bet LJN would try to capitalize on the hype and make a quick buck of of some poor kid who thought they’d be getting a good movie based game. They were cheap, buggy, and overall unfun games to play

>>11884132
Mike was always a terrible person who doesnt deserve whatever success he inherited from James.

>publish bad games
>people notice pattern
>avoids brand
>it gets used for one final shitty game for no reason other than execs had no hope
>brand dead
>half decade later
>avgn exists now
>mostly ran into ljn shit
>calls attention to it a few episodes in
>becomes running joke by late 2000s that ljn is the bad game company
That's what happened

>>11884174
>>publish bad games
>>becomes running joke by late 2000s that ljn is the bad game company

So a bad game company eventually became an internet joke about being a bad game company... I fail to see the problem here.

>>11884181
I think op just wants a stealth avgn thread

>>11884187
Has he reviewed every LJN game yet? I expected their library to be bigger.

>>11884174
It appears that the LJN branding was used for Spirit of Speed precisely because the name was already synonymous with shit. There's prototypes of it in which there's no mention of LJN, just Acclaim. They realized the game was an irredeemable turd, so instead of tarnishing the Acclaim name (which is amusing to think about, all things considered), they slapped the LJN logo on it and dumped it on the market.

>>11884195
Yes, long ago. He even reviewed their console.

>>11884202
They made a console? Maybe I should watch ones I've missed.
I stopped watching around 15 years ago when realizing how bad AVGN fans were, and wanted nothing to do with it.

>>11882489
who is erin

>>11884238
I don't see how the fanbase matters for just watching YouTube videos, not like you are watching a livestream.

And yes, they made a console in the 80s. It was one of those plug-and-play things that was basically a kids painting toy, except even worse than Color a Dinosaur. He reviewed it during one of the Christmas specials.

>>11884287
It got to the point where I couldn't watch without reminding myself how bat shit insane they were. They'd harass every reviewer constantly that they were "an AVGN Rip off". Even legitimate ripoffs like Irate Gamer and Game Dude were stalked, with people dedicating so much time to dig up as much detail about their personal lives as possible.
Maybe I was being an idiot dismissing the show like that, but they were out of control.

>>11884305
Who the fuck cares? Do you unironically read youtube comments?

>>11884305
That shit is such an ancient issue, also who the hell reads comments on an AVGN video?

>>11884310
If you didn't read YouTube comments in 2006 then you didn't beat the game.

>>11884310
>>11884315
I did 15 years ago. Not saying I would care today, but gives me the opportunity to find some good episodes I missed.

>>11882472
Well, he is the gamer with a bad attitude

>>11882472
>>11884478
Fun fact: He once sent me a script and asked for my input on some of his episodes. I thought he was a good guy, despite making a show that left a lot to be desired. The guy can't write, but I thought he had strong staging and editing talent. He had talent, just belonged behind the scenes.
Years after we lost contact I found out about the weird girlfriend stuff.

>>11880275
Did you come up with that one yourself?

>>11880256
no one to blame but themselves for publishing shit games.
didn't they have a guy who played the betas they're paying for and say "man, this game sucks ASS."?

>>11880298
Extremely based, I guess he was a regular of the old /x/

>>11880324
If you know how to enter the houses it's surprisingly good.

>>11880238 (OP)
Literally like 95% of the games they published were pure fucking shit. That's why.

>>11882489
considering mike matei posted dick pics (with a particular angle lol) on official account to prove something. I believe you

>>11884132
>>11884164
mike contributed a lot to golden age avgn. the persona was even based on him

>>11884305
anon those were probably children

>>11880238 (OP)
NES
- Jaws was a cool open world RPG shark hunting game
- Wolverine had great music and was a decent platformer

SNES
- WWF Royal Rumble and Raw were both PEAK wrestling games for 1993-94

ANnnnnnnnd that's it.

>>11884589
That makes Mike look even worse. AVGN is fun as a character, but would be insufferable as a real person in the real world.

>>11884617
Try out True Lies on SNES or Genesis, it's probably the best game published by LJN.

>>11884627
Probably true.

>>11884632
Well True Lies is Arnold's best movie so I don't see why not the game would be awesome too.

>>11880246
armake21?

>>11884643
That's kinda how they got you with Terminator games, great movies (the first two anyway), but MANY of those games were just not very good.
True Lies on SNES and Genny was legit really good though, kind of an unsung adaption of a movie, really.

>>11880238 (OP)
The West didn't figure out how to develop properly for home consoles until halfway through the Genesis. LJN happened to be one of the only Western publishers before that so they became really well known for shit games.

>>11880238 (OP)
You have to be a fucking dipshit retard not to get the hate. What are you, a moron? Get buttfucked up the dick, AAAASSASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSASSAASSSSSSSSSS

>>11882489
How's the hang over?

>>11882489
Has anyone ever thought mike wasn't a retarded sperg? Even if james is autism incarnate, what does it say about the guy that hung out with him for years?

>>11884680
>That's kinda how they got you with Terminator games, great movies (the first two anyway), but MANY of those games were just not very good.

Virgin Interactive generally had the home license for the first The Terminator movie. LJN had the film license for Terminator 2: Judgement Day. Midway/ Bally had the license for the arcade light gun game of Terminator 2: Judgement Day, as well as the pinball game.

>>11886251
Mike likes to randomly talk about his penis to fans.

>>11884132
ZAMN!

>>11886258
Yeah, and we did end up getting some solid titles out of that after all, but it sure wasn't all of them.

>>11884139
>James simply doesn't use social media
Actually very smart thing to do as an internet content creator, pay little or NO mind to social media and what people gossip about, and you can actually insulate yourself against a lot of the stupid fallout from that shit in almost all cases.

Best I know, he's only had very minimal interaction with any of this bullshit, and it's been in his favor. If a stupid and retarded controversy happens, ignoring it entirely is a good way of making it fizzle out, James brushed off a bunch of annoying cancel culture shit by not even knowing about it.

Really, we should ALL spend less time on social media.

>>11880238 (OP)
>license IP
>outsource development
>skip QC
>release game
>profit

>>11886968
More recently, it was a stupid move for him to get involved with the "Real Gaming Awards" without knowing what they were actually doing. At least he's keeping his mouth shut about it.

>>11886983
>>>11880238 (OP) (OP)
>>license IP
>>outsource development
>>skip QC
>>release game
>>profit

In their own weird way, LJN was the Cannon Films of video game studios.

>>11887001
Cannon Films had a better track record, they made a lot of crap, but a lot of it was a fun kind of crap which was worth watching, and occasionally it was a nicer form of crap.
They also did a lot of distribution, and of other people's good movies, like fucking Evil Dead and Deer Hunter.

I dont get the hate on LJN, but Terminator 2 for GB (not the Arcade port) was one of the best games out there.

>>11887239
Most of their published games just weren't that good. Sometimes it's a potentially decent game but it's held back by not getting to be developed quite enough, and sometimes it's a game which is painfully unfinished or/and underdeveloped, and it's just not fun at all.
On a few occasions, they put out some pretty damn good games.

For a notable example, Friday The 13th is a game which has some problems, but it's still actually a pretty cool game, hell, even AVGN has said out of character that he actually really likes it.
If LJN had given Atlus a bit more time to polish it, then Friday The 13th would probably have been widely remembered as one of the diehard classics.
Broadly, a LOT of LJN's titles could have been substantially better if they only had a little bit more work put into them, making poor games at least decent, and making the more promising ones actually stand out a lot more.

>>11880238 (OP)
Did you play their Xmen game?