Any similar flash carts to pic related that massively undercut Everdrives while doing the same thing? I bought this Summercart for about $45 after shipping on AliExpress and it does everything and more than the almost $200 Everdrive 64 X7.

Only other one I am aware of is the SD2SNES, which Krizz started selling because it was so much better than his Everdrives.

Summercart is likely the biggest example though, costs a fraction of the Everdrive64 X7 yet not only does everything it can but even more, such as not needing to reset the console to write your save to the sdcard.

>>11880361 (OP)
What's the quality like at that price?

>>11880361 (OP)
Nobody would be buying Everdrives if they had a truly comparable alternative that was much cheaper. You're always going to compromise in some way.

>>11880552
>You're always going to compromise in some way.
And what is the compromise here exactly?

>>11880547
The project is open source, so the quality is up to wherever you buy it from. Supposedly the original devs have it on a site that charges like $90 for the cart with PCBs they personally vouch for, but it's all assembled with the same Chinesium at the end of the day so what's the point. The half-priced AE direct from China ones should be fine as long as you check if the vendor and product page is legit. You can even just assemble it yourself with PCBway or something if you want.
>>11880552
Never underestimate customer loyalty and being the first to get something right. Everdrive is always going to be relevant as long as its name is a generic trademark for any flash cart.

>>11880361 (OP)
Not a cart but the xstation clone on ali is half the price of the original, functions the same, and comes with a nice molded plastic cover that the real ones does not.

>>11880552
>Nobody would be buying Everdrives if they had a truly comparable alternative that was much cheaper.
Except it happens all the time, in this case partly because Krikzz and some of his friends spend a good deal of time places like here (What's up you stupid fucks, I know you're reading this) talking up his product and downplaying competition, and partly because a lot of people don't like to stray from the common path. Look at how many people think that the original NES power supply from 35+ years ago has to be better than a modern one because Nintendo made it.

feels pretty bad to have bought a everdrive 64 X7 before this came out. by years but still.

>>11880361 (OP)
Not really, check China
Everdrives are expensive because they don't undercut the people that work there

>>11880621
That's a nice cover

>>11880585
It's not quite the same Chinesium for all of them though, is it. How can it be with the prices varying like that. I don't trust the Chinese. The project being open source at least means they don't have to guess component values and get them wrong. With cheap flash carts you still get issues like the shell being slightly too big for the cartridge slot, and the cart just dying after a few months.

I'm happy to pay more if the maker actually gives a shit about what they're selling.

>>11880628
meds

>>11880652
>It's not quite the same Chinesium for all of them though, is it.
The whole reason clones exist at all is because Krikzz contracted manufacturers in China in the first place. It really is the same shit.

>>11880631
I bought a 64 X7 like 2 months before the Summer Cart came out. It's still a perfectly good flash cart. It does have a few features that the Summer Cart doesn't, such as an NES core for the FPGA and a controller pak manager.

The Summer Cart is better if you're developer. It also has native support for the DD, but that's only desirable if you want to play the DD games, and those have cart conversions anyway. If you've already bought the EverDrive then you might as well use it. If you sell it for a loss out of remorse, that's a bigger waste than spending the money on it initially.

>>11880660
The Chinese clone and copy everything regardless of where it's made.

>>11880660
It's not the same shit. They always cut corners so they can cut the price.

>>11880672
Not electronics

>>11880361 (OP)
Haven’t had any issues w mine yet. The ones that come w a manual and legit packaging seem solid I’ve sold 2 to a couple friends and I have one I’m using now to test out that didn’t come w the package. I’ll have to test it more but so far just the fact that I don’t have to reset the game to save is huge. If any issues crop up I’ll be sure to report back or make a new thread. May play some Star Fox today on it. Also the ones in the box seem to come w nes and snes roms and emulators that I sold off to my friends but mine only has 64 games on it.

>>11880585
>Never underestimate customer loyalty and being the first to get something right.
To be fair I don't like to deal with clone carts because you never know what you're going to get or what they might have skimped out on or done wrong. Just because it's seemingly working does not mean it's not doing something wrong.

That being said there is no reason to get an N64 Everdrive when the Summercart is even better yet cheaper, and it's an open source project so anyone could theoretically make one and unless the person making it really screwed up should have no potential issues with updates. It's a bit different than cloning a closed proprietary retail product.

>>11880621
Isn't the XStation literally just an ESP32? Looking at pictures of the PCB, there's almost nothing on it other than the ESP32 itself and what appears to be a small number of resistors, capacitors, and voltage regulators. Compare that to something like the Mega Everdrive Pro and that thing is packed with components, including ARM processors and FPGAs.

>>11880628
Ah yes, the schizo "Anyone who ever talks about any product here ever MUST be a shill and has a secret army infiltrating a long past it's prime basket weaving troll forum with the explicit purpose to advertise to people who would be adverse to being advertised to anyway" take. Because /vr/ is such an untapped treasure trove of a consumer base that is worth spending all that time and money trying to shill on compared to every major retro gaming site on the planet signal boosting such products instead.

>>11880631
I know the feeling, I bought a PS-IO before the XStation was a thing. At least your Everdrive works properly and the creator isn't an asshole loading it with DRM and withholding updates. Also at least you had yours for years, the XStation was announced shortly after I got my PS-IO. There will always be a new better product someday. I don't think it's that bad if you got yours years ago.

>>11880631
>feels pretty bad to have bought a everdrive 64 X7
Why?
They do the same thing

>>11880652
>The project being open source at least means they don't have to guess component values and get them wrong. With cheap flash carts you still get issues like the shell being slightly too big for the cartridge slot, and the cart just dying after a few months.
To be fair just because you know what parts go into something does not mean a cheap one can't still cut corners and use shoddy parts or skip "optional" parts that are there for safety reasons. (And to be clear, I don't mean safety as in it will blow up your house, I mean as in it won't overtax or damage your system in the long run).

The SummerCart64 dev himself has a recommend place to buy it from, but it's quite a bit more expensive ($95-100) and he mentions that he is not affiliated with them, or a BOM for you to build your own from PCBWay or participate in occasional group buys. That doesn't mean that it has to cost $100 to be good, but you never know if that $50 on Aliexpress one was made properly or cut corners. Even if a specific seller is known to make a good one they might change it someday to a crappier one without notice. (Quickly looking at Ali right now, I see several models that have a row of RGB leds on it. Not only do those look like they would be very distracting while trying to play, but they are definitely not a part of the design and likely would drain more power than expected. You would be surprised how many projects people added an extra bunch of leds to and then realized they caused problems with power draw)

>>11880686
Of course they copy electronics

>>11880773
They don't reverse engineer them well anon
They copy the electronics when they have full schematics and OS
Otherwise they attempt their own

The dude who designed that is a jew.

>>11880660
It's not the same.

>>11880919
And?

>>11880925
>And?
That's it.

>>11880773
Where's a Chink copy of Terra Onion's M.O.D.E.??

I'm curious whether, for instance, a Saturn ODE utilizing an FPGA could potentially emulate the Mega Drive, Sega CD, and Master System using that same FPGA, or is that still a distant possibility?

>>11880990
Anon, there is nothing in the Saturn that is like a Mega Drive
What you're asking for is literally just using the Saturn as a video out

>>11881015
>What you're asking for is literally just using the Saturn as a video out
Perhaps. I don't want to deal with my MegaMonster. I would like to play those games on Saturn.

>>11881020
Just get a Mister or an emulator box then

>>11881025
But I would like to play on my Sega Saturn.

>>11880361 (OP)
There have always been devices that do the same as or more than EDs for less.

>>11881074
Have there though?
Why didn't you name them?

>>11880676
And yet >>11880621 disproves that.

>>11880361 (OP)
The Krikkz stuff goes on discount at Christmas. That's when I bought things like the Everdrive N8 pro.

I bought a Summercart 64 from China recently too, I've been testing N64 controllers and needed a way to load a gamepad tester up. I've also taken the time to play around in other 64 games and having one readily available to me instead of only a few times a week really affirmed my views on the console. There's not enough games and the performance and image quality is horrendous.

>>11881083
>Have there though?
Yes
>Why didn't you name them?
See pic related

>>11880573
Incorrect voltage to brick your console. Non-beveled connectors to strip the cartridge slot are the two major concerns.

>>11881037
I have a master system / gg emulator on my satiator. It’s not great. Is that what you want? I forget the name look around on segaxtreme

>>11881037
Why exactly? What benefit would there be to using a Saturn as a glorified video output? Not to mention how expensive such a device would be, would likely cost more than going the MiSTer route. Many Saturn ODEs already do other than that Saroo thing that has a lot of compatibility issues.

>>11881291
That's what I warned about in >>11880730 but that doesn't mean EVERY Summercart is like that. You are acting like it's not possible to make a Summercart with quality parts without taking such shortcuts, when the dev's own website includes a BOM link to dild one yourself from PCBWay including all the settings you should choose for the PCB.

>>11881281
>Makes claim
>Gets asked for proof
>Pulls the "not spoonfeeding you" meme
Yeah, we definitely believe you, are you going to claim people should just Google it then? Are you new to the internet or something? I have only seen children pull that stunt, and it never works, burden or proof lies on the person who made the claim.

>>11881439
>you are acting like
No, I’m not acting like anything. I saw his question and I answered it concisely. If he wanted to read someone babble on about this shit he could just type it into google. He is just asking for basic info to catch him up to speed. He can do his own research after that. He is not a baby. We all have the internet.

>>11881530
Holy grasping at straws batman

You would make far less of a fool of yourself if you just admitted you had jack shit. Again, that tactic never fools anyone that isn't a child.

>>11881546
Cope

>>11880697
>Anyone who ever talks about any product here ever MUST be a shill
Where in the everloving fuck do I say that? I just say that it's a well known fact that people advertise on 4chan, EA and Ubisoft are known to do it, and when you see repeated patterns of talking points and language used with Krikzz products its painfully clear they are here to downlplay other product. Affiliate deals with creative input on video reviews etc.

>Because /vr/ is such an untapped treasure trove of a consumer base
If it drives 10, 20, 25 sales it's still free advertising moron. All I'm saying is brand recognition is real, people absolutely will skip over "generic" options for the name brand. I post on /vt/ maybe once every four months, I have no clue what schizo you're talking about and I own everdrives for most of my consoles. If i had the option of buying a summercart now over my X7 or whatever dumbass naming scheme it's using I would in a heartbeat.
But sure, I'm some schizo because I've been around this shitty community for far too long and have seen Krikzz being a dumbfuck for 15+ years. Maybe you should learn some reading comprehension.

>>11881546
If you have proof he's wrong, then we're all ears, buddy.

>>11880361 (OP)
>1) go to ali express
>2) buy flash cart
>3) ?????
>4) profit

They have what appears to be straight copies for a fraction of the price, like 10-20% fraction. Can't speak in regards to the quality though. Also flash carts may be damaging your consoles, official or not.

>>11880552
I'm not paying 200$ for an SD reader that attaches to an SNES. Sorry, not doing it.

>>11881281
>Do not spoon feed
Anon, you're proving a point, not spoonfeeding
But you're clearly just trolling

>>11882460
This is pure schizo posting. You think people saying the same things means it must be a marketing campaign? You don't think that people are saying similar things because that's something factual they want to bring up? Do you think anyone arguing that the Genesis had a faster processor than the SNES is a SEGA shill? I flat out said that there is no reason to get Krizz's N64 everdrives over a Summercart, and that is a generally repeated statement here to, do you think I and others who say that are a Summercart shill? You need to lay off the tinfoil.

>>11882663
Again: The burden of proof lies on the one who made the claim, that's one of the most basic things in logical arguments. That anon claimed "There have always been devices that do the same as or more than EDs for less.", so it's up to him to prove that claim, not up to others to disprove it. And he's refusing to provide proof, instead pulling the laughably shallow tactic of "Google it" when asked for proof of his claim, which anyone with an IQ that's higher than the single digits knows is an admission that they don't have any proof and are trying to deflect from being made to provide it.

If that anon has proof of his claim, then I'm all ears, buddy.

>>11882728
Nah the claim is "Everdrives do things that cheaper knockoffs can't". Which is completely untrue.

>>11880361 (OP)
I bought one of those cheap Super 64 flash-carts of Ali Express a few years ago, but it seemed to be a coin-flip if I could get any game to actually boot? Tried to experiement with PAL and NTSC but nothing ever seemed to consistently boot for me. I might buy one of these Summercarts and see if it works better.

>>11882961
What do you mean? The issue is cheap knock offs have no quality control, so you could get a unit that malfunctions and causes damage to your console. The Everdrives already went through that fiasco and fixed it to make sure that doesn't happen. A lot of people don't have a problem throwing money at premium because the quality control saves heart-ache in the future and provides a peace of mind. You usually get a decent warranty on the product, too. Acting like there's no difference between chinese knock-offs and the real thing is disingenuous and retarded. Same applies to Summer Drive, but Summer Drive hasn't been out long enough to warrant an excellent reputation.

>>11882728
>The burden of proof lies on the one who made the claim
Okay, for some reason I thought he was arguing something different, but now that I read that through I realize you are fucken retarded. Burden of proof is important for things that are not self evident or things that are controversial or questionable. You do not need BoP for casual discussion and you can't use BoP to force somebody to do something that you can do yourself. You can literally Google that shit and get answers. In fact, I don't even think that claim is even close to being questionable. There's no way that's not true. China and India love making knock-offs. It's like their favorite thing to do. They literally have people scouring markets looking for ways to rip people off.

>>11883167
Jesus Christ anon
Either name the flash carts you were talking about or shut up

>>11883173
If you were able to comprehend my post you would know I'm not that anon.

>>11881439
>>11882726
>you need to prove to the pigeon that you beat it at chess
I never played chess with the pigeon. I just laughed while it strutted around the chess table shitting all over the board.

>>11883234
Clearly, considering you have some anon defending your trolling

>>11880730
The one in ur pic is a knock off of the knock off. I’d say if you get one boxed w a manual and shit you probably are good. One without all that is sold for 10-20 dollars cheaper and I’m using that one now to test it while my buddy has been using the boxed one he got from me no issues so far. Not defending it, just reporting on my experience w the summercart. I can take pics if yall want.

Not saying Krizz would but he could always start swapping parts to cheaper would anyone know, while still charging a premium?

I didn't have to spend years pressing reset. My everdrive still works. I don't know what the new clones do, but I'm happy with my device. I'm sure the newer open source clones are probably fine though, but we've had decades of shitty clones.
The DS flashcart clone market is a good example of how shitty it can get with timebomb nonsense and such. I didn't want to deal with that shit again and paid for a brand I knew would work. I love open source though so I'd probably go with an open source one if I were to buy a new one, but I have one that works and will probably continue to do so for decades so I don't care.

>>11883269
>Not saying Krizz would but he could always start swapping parts to cheaper would anyone know, while still charging a premium?
That's just the reality of business, mate. The fact that his name is attached to his product is an important factor. He has just as much incentive (probably more) to increase the quality of his components while retaining (or lowering) the price. It really just depends on him, but he's built a reputation and it's taken him a long time so usually people don't try to ruin that.

>>11883265
NTA, but if anyone is trolling, it's you, kiddo. You've completely shat the bed because some random flash-cart knower on a Mongolian basketweaving forum didn't spoon feed you common information. You're literally so butthurt about it and you can't let it go. Nobody owes you anything, kid. Quit yer belly-aching or GTFO.

>>11883308
Yes yes, we get it
You hate krikzz so you have to say things without backing it up

>>11882728
Nta but at least w the mister people do. I have never seen shilling like that on a forum. Unless we just have 10-20 no brained u cant buy anything unless its a mister group on here there def has been a campaign to push that. I’ve been called a slew of names in the analogue thread because I dared spend my money on that instead of just “buying a mister you fucking moron. It does everything! It looks beautiful! Ur a hater. Just buy a mister!”

>>11883305
Yea and while that makes sense and I don’t think it’ll happen, if he ever signed a deal w any type of corp that would give him more resources to pump out his product but oh no m, the company now has its foot in the door and starts forcing changes like cheaper parts and higher prices. That is very unlikely tho considering his product is so niche.

>>11880621
Never heard of xStation
>loading games from microSD cards on real hardware
Fuck, about time.
Is there anything close to that for the PS2?? I have a slim model with a modchip, but I dropped it and I can't be arsed to tinker with the optical drive's position anymore.

>>11883332
Just the MX4SIO, but it's not quite the same

>>11883315
Get a load of this faggot. What a troll.

>>11880361 (OP)
Plenty. The EZ-Flash Omega Definitive Edition is outright better than the GBA Everdrive and cheaper. There are clones of most of the Everdrives for older systems that work just fine. You can get either a dirt cheap SNES cart that supports none of the add-on chips for ~$10 or one with DSP-1 support for ~$20 if you want to play Mario Kart. Or go all out and get a SD2SNES that'll still be less than half the price of the FXPak and supports everything. Systems like the PS2, Dreamcast and GameCube are also covered by extremely cheap solutions that work great.

Krikzz has an army of shills (some posting in this very thread) who will make nebulous claims about how your console will explode and the flash cart will run downstairs and rape your dog if you don't buy an official Everdrive and support the war effort, but it's simple FUD. AliExpress reviews are a perfectly reliable way to filter out the shit sellers, since plenty of thirdies buy on there and won't hesitate to complain if they waste a month's wages on a bad flash cart.

>>11883338
Going to look into that. A couple years ago I tried going the ethernet cable connected to my PC route, but it was painful. I don't have that kinda time as I did back in the day :/
>>11883412
Pray tell us some examples of dirt cheap solutions for slim PS2s.

>>11880652
>how can it be with prices varying like that
Look at the clothes industry, a shirt that costs less than $1 to make and ship can range anywhere from $5 to $500 depending on what name is slapped on it.
You're dealing with a market where no one knows exactly where this shit comes from and some people will exploit that to their benefit. I highly doubt there's more than 3 places that make these devices in China and they are all probably fairly similar. There's very little reason to pay extra for the illusion of better quality. The ONLY reason to buy these from a company like Everdrive is customer support, and if you think it's worth it go for it.

>>11883154
Kek krikkz please stop. There is no proof that the "quality control" is better from krikkz. The knockoffs and his are made in the exact same place which is why they have his designs to begin with. If you pay twice as much when perfect knockoffs using the exact same design exist then you're just an idiot

>>11883456
mx4sio is about as cheap and easy as it gets for slims, they're cheap on aliexpress. No worries about fakes, it's open source.

>>11882961
>Nah the claim is "Everdrives do things that cheaper knockoffs can't". Which is completely untrue.

Are you retarded? THIS was the claim:
>>11881074
>There have always been devices that do the same as or more than EDs for less.
Which when asked for proof, the anon refuses to elaborate on.

>>11883167
>Burden of proof is important for things that are not self evident or things that are controversial or questionable.
You mean like that very claim? Yes, you do need proof if you are going to make such a claim and then refuse to elaborate when people ask for examples, the fact that you can't tell this is classic troll behavior where someone is trying to dodge the fact that they have no proof is in fact proof that you are retarded. Thank you for proving that you are retarded, too bad that does not proof the anon's claim though which they are unable to back up.

>>11883234
Wow, you managed to be even more retarded than the previous guy. Do I even need to explain how incredibly stupid your statement is? A story about how you strutted around a chess board is not proof, I can't believe I need to explain that to you birdbrains.

>>11883308
NOOO!!!! You must spoon feed me. I demand that you spoon feed me. NOW! According to the playground rules at my grade school you must spoon feed me or you are wrong.

>>11883532
>Retarded screeching
Thank you for conceding that you have no proof

>>11883493
>>11883338
Just went to the ps2 modding thread, and, shit, picrel seems to be my cup of tea. Goddamn. Any drawbacks besides it costing like 6 times as much as the aforementioned MSX4SIO?
I've no idea what kind of modchip my ps2 slim has, but are all chips designed to run code to make my own FCMB?
Posting here because everyone just points to OPL or hard drive, or Pi options, and I don't want that, yet.

>>11883269
>The one in ur pic is a knock off of the knock off.
The Summercart is not a knock-off of an Everdrive, it's it's own product, just like the SD2SNES is not a knockoff of Everdrives. Krizz is not the only person who can design a flashcart you know.

>I’d say if you get one boxed w a manual and shit you probably are good.
... what on Earth makes you think that they can't clone a box and manual too? The Summercart doesn't even HAVE an official box or print manual, do you have any idea how much cheaper it would be to toss a box and manual, even a well-made one, along with a shoddily-made flashcart? It coming with a box and manual is not at all an indicator of quality. Neither does the listings that include extras like a MicroSD card (which I would not trust anyway) or a flash card reader. In fact, I trust the listings that come with those LESS (Especially the ones that say it will be pre-loaded with thousands of games). Getting any sort of flash storage from china is asking for it, even if just comes packaged as an extra with a product. I almost ruined a 3D printer once because I used the card it came with, thinking that something this expensive from a Chinese manufacturer that had an official US storefront would not cheap out on a 1GB card in 2015... I was wrong.

>I’m using that one now to test it while my buddy has been using the boxed one he got from me no issues so far
"So far it has not exploded" does not mean much in terms of product quality or even safety

>Not saying Krizz would but he could always start swapping parts to cheaper would anyone know, while still charging a premium?
He would lose a shitload of support if he pulled that, likely get blacklisted by many places. People who buy flashcarts are already a niche group, news would travel fast. Look at the PS-IO and Paprium. It would be ESPECIALLY stupid for Krizz to pull this after his Everdrives were at the forefront of that "Homebrew carts are killing your console!" panic a few years ago.

>>11883584
That's a clone of the memcardpro which has MX4SIO functionality. I don't have experience with it but I do with the Memcardpro and pro2, I really like them. I think they're excellent devices, if it's a clone of that and matches most of the features then it's going to be excellent.

>>11883271
>I don't know what the new clones do, but I'm happy with my device.
They are not clones, they are their own design. If they were ripoffs of Krizz's Everdrive most retro sites would be shunning them. Look, I respect Krizz.. usually, but do people seriously think that if anyone else makes a flashcart ever it has to be a "clone" of something Krizz made as if he's the only one in the world who can get one engineered?

Also unless you are a developer or really really REALLY hate pressing reset there is no reason to buy a Summercart if you already have a N64 X7 Everdrive. I am just saying if you don't already have one, there is no reason to buy one over a Summercart.

>The DS flashcart clone market is a good example of how shitty it can get with timebomb nonsense and such.
The DS scene is insanely lacking and stupid. Everyone has just cloning the R4, pretty much the first DS flashcart, for years. There were better flashcarts made, hell, there was even one that cracked the DSi's protection. The R4 used to be obselete and abandoned until someone made hacked firmware for it. And that's all modern ones are, hacks of hacks of hacks of the original R4, including all of it's lacking features, it's lack of DDi mode, lack of everything. If there is any system Krizz should make a cart for, it's that one.

>>11883326
There is nothing TO shill you clown, it's an open source product.

Also nice revisionism, people brought up the mister in the analog thread when someone mentioned getting an analog just to hack it AND that they had no interest in getting a mister instead. Nobody was saying "just get a mister" before that. The fact that you are omitting this and your "there are mister shills here!" nonsense makes it clear how much in bad faith you are arguing here.

>>11883332
>>loading games from microSD cards on real hardware
>Fuck, about time.
Have you... have you never heard of an ODE? The xStation (and even PS-IO for that matter) are not new, and there were ODEs for other systems years before the PS-IO and xStation.

>Is there anything close to that for the PS2??
Not this again... no, and there likely never will be. There are software solutions to load from an internal HDD/SSD (if you have a fat model), USB (not recommended), the memory card port itself (better than USB but still not recommended unless it's your only option), or over LAN. These will only work for PS2 games, and there is almost zero chance anyone will ever make a hardware ODE for the PS2 because several software solutions that don't even require opening the console exist so there is almost no interest, and the way the PS2 is designed it would be one of the hardest and expensive systems to make a hardware ODE for.

For your slim your best option would be loading games over a LAN, if you don't want to do that you can load them over the memorycard port but that's less compatible.

>>11883412
>Or go all out and get a SD2SNES that'll still be less than half the price of the FXPak and supports everything.
Anon... those are the same thing. Literally, the SD2SNES was renamed to FXPak because the SD card association sued them for having "SD" in their name. You seriously need to take your meds so you stop thinking the shills are in the room with us right now.

>>11883584
>but are all chips designed to run code to make my own FCMB?
Some modchips can conflict with the latest version of FCMB, you would need to use an older one.

I would really recommend loading games over LAN though instead of the memcard port if you can.

>>11883504
Anon. Nobody here is a lawyer and we aren't in a court of any kind. Burden of proof doesn't mean shit. Quit shitting up the thread. Everyone can see what was written. Leave everyone to form their own thoughts and opinions unmolested. You do not need to keep beating the dead horse. At this point you are the problem. Nobody cares that anon told you to fuck off.

>>11883834
I accept your concession
Next time learn to be able to backup your claims

>>11883125
Same here, some games seem like they just won't boot at all. Unfortunely I rarely used the thing and now I just want to replace it with the Summercart.

>>11883584
just don't use crappy FCMB and use PS2BBL.

>>11883412
Speaking from my experience, the only Krikzz produts that are worth it are the ones without any alternative. And that pretty much comes down to the Turbo Everdrive Pro and the Mega Drive Pro.
I truly wish there were clones that could also play CD games.

>>11883847
What's the difference?

>>11883852
FMCB can have issues, takes a little to boot and boots into a menu you will most likely use only to launch opl.
PS2BBL has no compatibility issues and boots any elf you want in seconds.

>>11883852
here.
https://israpps.github.io/PlayStation2-Basic-BootLoader/documentation/features.html

>>11880361 (OP)
Do these things support gameshark codes?
I have a widescreen CRT and it would be cool to use 16:9 hacks on hardware.

>>11883848
>Mega Drive Pro
The Mega Drive Pro does have an alternative, but I would honestly recommend Krizz's over it. The other one costs significantly more and is by a group that locks down their firmware with per-cart DRM like the PS-IO does.

>>11883554
>According to the playground rules at my grade school you must spoon feed me or you are wrong.

Is that retard still trolling with meme images in every reply like this is Twitter or something?

>>11883412
The Omega DE came out after everything and the original Omega was dogshit
It’s also more power hungry
The SD2SNES is not Krikzz design

>>11883660
He means the Chinese ones

>>11883845
Yeah I only experimented with the thing since it was too inconsistent for my liking. I already have the original carts of all the N64 games I most want to play anyway, so it wasn't a big deal. I still ordered a Summercart from Ali Express yesterday though, after seeing this thread.

>>11883584
It costs more because it does more. The MX4SIO is just a dumb adapter that lets you load games. The Bitfunx card is also a memory card with essentially unlimited space. It also uses a new protocol which is faster than the MX4SIO cards, which pretty much eliminates skipping in FMVs and such (which was a problem in a few titles previously). There's no reason to buy anything else for a slim PS2.

>>11883660
No shit, retard. The point was that you don't need to pay the hohol more than twice as much for the same fucking thing.

>>11884368
>It’s also more power hungry
Ah yes, another favorite line of the Krikzz shills backed up by "trust me, bro!" Unfortunately for you, somebody actually went and tested them both and found the Omega DE actually draws LESS power than the Everdrive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ308O_Gqzk
Oopsie whoopsie! Just an innocent mistake I'm sure. ;^)

>>11884546
It wasn’t a lie
There were multiple YouTube test videos of the x5 mini lasting almost 2 more hours than the DE
I literally only have the DE myself

>>11884546
>No shit, retard. The point was that you don't need to pay the hohol more than twice as much for the same fucking thing.

Krizz did not make the SD2SNES/FXPak nor is he the only one selling it. I know you have a hateboner for the guy but you're starting to let it cloud your judgement.

Any good cheap flash carts for the NES specifically? I figure its probably the most matured system for this kind of thing and there's no SuperFX bullshit to worry about.

>>11884642
>I figure its probably the most matured system for this kind of thing
You figure wrong. NES flash carts are some of the most immature. You can simply look at the first release dates for flash carts for various systems from the vendor of your choice and see that.
>there's no SuperFX bullshit to worry about
Indeed. No "bullshit" that simple. Instead, a clusterfuck of mappers with various configurations that has taken ages to get to the current state, which is sad considering how "simple" the technology might seem to be.

>>11884706
Damn, guess I'll just wait for the N8 Pro to go on sale then.

>>11883584
I have one. It's pretty good on the fat systems, but it loads slower than an HDD so there's really no point. On my slim, FMVs stutter like fuck and have performance issues. Seems like they cucked the speeds through the memory card port on the slim for whatever reason, making a device like this kind of useless. If you're using a slim, your best bet is to get a cheap beater PC and load the game over LAN or DVD-R backups.

>>11883125
>>11883845
Hey bros, I fixed the issue by using a new SD card. The one they ship it with appears to be warmed poop.

>>11885323
>I fixed the issue by using a new SD card. The one they ship it with appears to be warmed poop.

Not surprised, see >>11883597

Big problem I have with krikzz's stuff now is all the feature bloat. For instance, his old version of the NES cart that did everything anyone would reasonably want got discontinued, and then he put out a "pro" model with a bunch of extremely niche features that are basically only applicable to someone trying to program homebrew games for the system. And then charging double the price for it. But now it's the only everdrive option for the system, when there used to be one that was much more reasonable.

I believe a similar thing happened when he got rid of original everdrive 64 and started marketing his X5 or X7 or whatever versions instead. Nigga nobody needs that extra bullshit.

>>11880697
>people who would be adverse to being advertised to anyway
"averse" not "adverse", they are not the same

>>11885393
>being able to play more games is feature bloat
Huh?

>>11883836
Not my claims. I'm not conceding anything.

Mine's a PS2 slim, cucked/slow memcard slots, unfortunately.
>>11883615
Neato.
>>11883667
Yeah I'll eventually do LAN, I've got a setup where all my shit is within reach of a LAN cable.
>>11883872
>>11883875
Oooohhhh. Nice, since I've no idea what kinda modchip mine has, I'll look into PS2BBL.
>>11885031
Crap, I knew there as a caveat. Is the only problem loading speed and FMV stutter?
I don't care too much if that's it.
For story driven games, I'll just connect my PC, and eventually I'll do a Pi setup of some sort.
Thanks for the help, learned a lot.

>>11885734
>Crap, I knew there as a caveat. Is the only problem loading speed and FMV stutter?
>I don't care too much if that's it.
From my limited testing, yes. I mostly just tried the problematic games like FFX and Kingdom Hearts. I didn't extensively test it though. I mostly use it to back up my saves. I know some games like Tony Hawk and NFS will have the songs skip in gameplay, and you'll get stutters sometimes in gameplay when booting from USB.

>>11885484
paying double to play one extra game that's not even worth playing, while not having the option to just buy the previous version for a reasonable price, is bloat. Yes.

And for something like the NES N8 pro cart. Yeah, sure, have the fancy version with all the features that are only applicable to devs for double the price. But keep the old one around that just lets me play the fucking games. Otherwise I'm getting a chink clone if you're not going to offer the proper product.

>>11886076
You can’t give buy n8 clones without issue, the audio is also inaccurate on them

>>11886076
You can buy n8 clones without issue, the audio is also inaccurate on them

>>11880406
X7 doesn't need a reset to save. Try googling things before posting first.

>>11887008
Instead of being so confidently wrong try actually researching what you screech before making an idiot of yourself.

It needs a reset or powercycle to write the save to the SDcard. Notice my specific wording which your failure of reaching comprehension did not catch "such as not needing to reset the console to write your save to the sdcard". I never said it can't save at all, but the thing is it keeps the save in a temporary location on the cart itself and does not actually write it to the SDcard until you have reset or powercycled. The Summercart does not need to do this and just directly writes the save to the SDcard.

I lost my long ass RPG save game because of the fucking retarded sd2snes thing not just saving to the sd card immediately. Fuck this gay earth and long live flashcarts that just save your damn game

>>11887208
WTF are you talking about anon, why would you lose a save?
>>11887025
It writes to FRAM so what's the issue?

>>11885323
>Hey bros, I fixed the issue by using a new SD card.
I tried that years ago with different size microSD cards since I thought that was the issue. I think my flashcart came with an 8GB card, so I put everything on a 4GB card and then a 1GB card instead to see if it made any difference with compatability. I'm really hoping this Summercart works flawlessly in compairson since it's already on its way to me from China.

>>11880676
it costs a few cents to manufacture an everdrive (doesn't matter which one). the profit margins are huge even if they dont mark it up as much as american dropshippers like krikkz

>>11887473
>It writes to FRAM so what's the issue?
I believe it's already been mentioned several times, so do pay attention because this is the third time I have had to repeat myself to you:
It doesn't write the save to the SD card until you reset or powercycle

>>11887790
Trolling used to at least try to look believable

>>11887851
Right, I said it writes to FRAM so what's the issue?

>>11887853
See >>11887208
It's easy to accidently lose your save if you just power the cart off, especially if you do anything with the SD card for the next time you turn it on.

Look, nobody is taking your Everdrive away from you, I know you are trying to defend your purchase after having spent all of your allowance on it, but plugging your ears and going "La la la it has no flaws" is not making your argument look any better, especially when a single person was able to fix this issue that Krizz has had in all of his everdrives for years. It's absurd that this "powercycle to write the save" thing is even an issue still in 2025.

Also, you were wrong and are desperately trying to move the goalposts, I specifically said it needs to powercyle to write to the sd card, you didn't even understand what this meant and claimed I needed to "googling things before posting first", then when it was proven you both lack reading comprehension and were actually the one who needed to Google shit before posting you are trying to deflect with "Umm, err, but what's the issue?" even right after another anon said this method made them lose their save.

So it appears "the issue" is that you're a butthurt kiss-up fag that tries to call others out and then is too chickenshit to admit they are wrong when given proof.

Enjoy your overpriced inferior product.

>>11887867
>It's easy to accidently lose your save if you just power the cart off
It's FRAM, it's not going to do anything but stay where it is until it's registered that it's been transferred
The rest of your post makes zero sense if you knew what FRAM was

>>11886076
then buy the Krzysiocart

>>11887878
>Still deflecting
Answer me this: Was I wrong when I said that you need to powercycle the Everdrive to make it write the save to the SDcard?

No "B-b-but the FRAM" replies, I am not talking about he FRAM, I am talking about it writing the save to the SDcard.

You said I should "Try googling things before posting first" but I never talked about it saving in general, I talked specifically about it saving to the SD card.

So WAS. I. WRONG. when I said you needed to powercycle to dump the save to the SD card or was it you who needed to Google before talking shit? Answer me, I am not talking about the FRAM here.

>>11887927
>You said I should "Try googling things before posting first"
That wasn't me, I only posted from
>>11887473
I was just asking why you have an issue with that

>>11887945
>I was just asking why you have an issue with that
See >>11887208

I have lost saves because of nonsense like this as well.

Oh, also, you are even wrong about it bring FRAM. It uses SRAM, meaning if your battery dies and you didn't notice, you lose your save if you power down without resetting first.

Not like FRAM is flawless either, I have a Sonic 3 cart where the FRAM chip failed, it will no longer write and is stuck in read only mode, I can't create new saves, delete old ones, or update my progress on any of them. It looks like it's working, but as soon as you power it off it's reverted to what it was like when powered on. FRAM is actually slower and less durable than SRAM.

>>11887949
I’m sorry anon but your grievances sound very circumstantial and a bit autistic for lack of a better word
You’re also speaking as if saving to the SD card directly can’t or won’t result in corruption, that’s just ridiculous

>>11887976
>You’re also speaking as if saving to the SD card directly can’t or won’t result in corruption, that’s just ridiculous
... it won't, that's like saying PC emulators saving to your HDD/SDD instantly will corrupt it.

>>11888020
lol. ESL or just retarded?

>>11888135
>ESL or just retarded?
I'd say you're both

>>11888142
>no u

>>11885734
>>11885849
I wish there's a compatibility list for MMCE, either with OPL or Neutrino. I'm making a list on some txt files where I log my results, and of the 230 games I've tried with my Memcard2Pro, only 9 had issues with FMV stuttering (and one outright didn't have any music ingame and on FMV), one Midway Arcade Treasures collection crashing when the tiny FMV on the preview plays (you can avoid them by moving in the list or entering the settings); and only 3 games refusing to work (the Kenichi fighter, Winback and Baskelian). I forgot which console variant I have, but it's the slower one.

>>11888020
I don’t think you understand what you’re talking about
Whether it saves now or later makes no difference
Saving directly to the sd card while playing has a higher probability of corruption

>>11888707
>Saving directly to the sd card while playing has a higher probability of corruption
Funny how that's not a problem for literally anything else that uses SD cards, including the Summercart

>>11888707
people really will believe whatever dropshippers tell them huh

>>11888717
Ah yes, no one using SD cards directly has ever had data corruption
>>11888756
Sorry I have no idea what that means

>>11888827
>Ah yes, no one using SD cards directly has ever had data corruption
That's like saying water is bad for you because everyone who died drank water at some point.

>Sorry I have no idea what that means
It means he's in love with Krizz, why else do you think he is unable to stop talking about him?

>>11888926
No, it’s like saying the way it saves isn’t the problem

>>11889220
Plenty of other devices figured this out, even a single person showing up Krizz with a better and cheaper flashcart. Sounds more like you are just desperately trying to defend your purchase than argue logic.

>>11883848
>And that pretty much comes down to the Turbo Everdrive Pro and the Mega Drive Pro.
and the Everdrive GB X7.

The EZ Flash Jr. is not comparable since it only saves on reboot, doesn't allow for save states, for some insane reason sorts by date added so you need to pull everything off the thing and add folders and files one by one to get it properly alphabetical, has issues with the FPGBC and I believe still has issues on the Analogue Pocket, its internal button cell drains crazy quick, and it also drains the battery of the system faster than any normal cartridge.

The Everdrive GB X5 knockoffs on AliExpress are just that: X5s. So if you plan on playing Pokemon at all you want the RTC, it doesn't come with the features of the X7, and to my understanding the knockoffs specifically come with issues like battery drain that aren't present on real Everdrives. There's also the fact that you are at the mercy of whatever update it was knocked off at since you can't update the knockoffs or they brick.

>>11889284
No anon, I’m saying the method of save is not the reason for save data issues, but you clearly have an axe to grind

>>11889586
>I’m saying the method of save is not the reason for save data issues
There are people in this very thread who have lost their save because of that very issue. Not their SD card, their save. Because of this stupid ass design. Hell, I've had that happen to me, and I promise you there was zero corruption on my SDcard. Are you too mindbroken to accept that it's not a great system?

>>11889576
the EZ Flash Jr. also doesn't properly support the Super Game Boy, there's a beta update which tries to fix it but also introduces bugs in microSD card support

>The Everdrive GB X5 knockoffs on AliExpress are just that: X5s.
aren't they knockoffs of the original EverDrive GB which drains even moe battery than the Jr?

>>11889617
I can tell you now, majority of issues are user error and the rest is related to bad SD cards
There is nothing in the way it saves that would cause issue and in fact it would be less prone to corruption as it’s done when the SD card isn’t being used as opposed to when it’s already being accessed

>>11885393
the good thing is that nobody is forcing you to buy the feature-bloated ones
as you said, they are for people who do development on the consoles and want nice solutions for debugging/etc... and you can buy cheaper clones if you only want to play roms

Krikzz is more a tech guy than a marketting guy imo and i respect him for that, as he seems to love engineering and experimenting new stuff, even if it's for a niche market or just for his own use

Also, i like the fact that he made some of his stuff open source (like that that open-source flashcart design/firmware) or heavily customizable by other devs (like Mega Everdrive PRO custom mappers), see his github repository (https://github.com/krikzz)

The guys who sell the fake Xstations and Fenrirs on AliExpress are real characters. They even provide a limited degree of support with firmware downloads available (because the Fenrir dev ships bad updates that brick clones). A few months ago they were trolling Reddit's Saturn and Playstation boards pretending to be their own buyers saying goofy shit like, "The master came out of retirement to crack the design."
I'd feel worse about recommending their products, but even when the originals go on sale, they sell out immediately and all the "official partners" only want to sell them for $200, so China gets my money.

Are the Mega Drive/SNES knockoff flashcarts as good as these? As far as I can tell the Xstations/Fenrirs are near 100% clones.

>>11889781
>aren't they knockoffs of the original EverDrive GB which drains even moe battery than the Jr?
When I was looking into it they were X5s since they didn't have the RTC or save states of the X7s but had features the X3 didn't.

>>11889871
No, neither of those. Krikzz had an "Everdrive GB" model before the X3, X5 and X7, and those are the ones cloned on AliExpress. They are very different architecturally.

See https://gekkio.fi/blog/2021/power-consumption-of-game-boy-flash-cartridges/ - it compares both.

>>11889872
>Krikzz had an "Everdrive GB" model before the X3, X5 and X7, and those are the ones cloned on AliExpress.
You sure? I'm talking about these ones that have the EZ Flash Jr.-esque button press on the cartridge itself instead of as a button. They seem to have firmware based on the X series, not the original GB model.

>>11889789
>I can tell you now, majority of issues are user error and the rest is related to bad SD cards
A design that causes people to frequently mis-use it is a bad design. Just like those shitty new connectors Nvidia is using. People try to defend them as user error, and while technically connect, the design is very prone to user error even from seasoned PC builders.

And you keep going "SD card corruption! SD card corruption! SD card corruption!" if that was the case the ENTIRE DAMN SD card would be corrupted, not just a save. Do you even know how flash storage works? It's not like a harddrive that would only be messing with the data for that one file.

>as it’s done when the SD card isn’t being used as opposed to when it’s already being accessed
... and yoy don't even know how flashcarts work. Tell me, why do you think they need a moment to load a game? You aren't accessing the game directly off the SDcard, it gets loaded into RAM and plays off there, you aren't reading from the SD card as you are playing the game. Also, a reboot would be the WORST time then by your very (broken) example to write to a SD card because it is indeed accessing the card for the Everdrive's boot files at the time.

>>11889984
>A design that causes people to frequently mis-use it is a bad design.
First, no people were ever filtered by that, only post-human Homo zoomiens. Second, no, it's not in itself bad design. There are many things your kind frequently "mis-use". The hyphen, for example. Or tide pods. Tide pods aren't "bad design". At most evidence of the lack of intelligent design.

>>11890729
>First, no people were ever filtered by that, only post-human Homo zoomiens.
First of all, yes, zoomies would be playing these games on retroarch on their iPhones, not on actual console with a flashcart.

>Second, no, it's not in itself bad design.
Yes, it is. Having to powercycle just to write your save to SD is absurd.

>There are many things your kind frequently "mis-use".
You mean actual intelligent adults? Don't worry, you will eventually become the latter.

>Insults insults insults
You have no counter-argument after proving you got several facts wrong, got it.

>>11880361 (OP)
Is it me or were there a LOT more obvious competitors regarding flashcarts all the way through the 00s? I seem to remember them being constantly advertised on ad banners on websites.

>>11888538
Holy. I'm one of those anons. You sure you're using a Slim PS2? That's hella important to know. In any case, you're doing God's work, anon. Make sure to share that thing somewhere, even if it's on Pastebin.
So to be sure, you're not testing the games from a microSD, but rather over the network cable (OPL). I don't know wtf Neutrino is, even after reading the whole Github readme. I'm not a bright man.
Btw, another anon shared a guide he made on how to do a "nanopi neo with dietpi hooked directly to your ps2 using udpbd"
https://github.com/Sakitoshi/udpbd-server_dietpi
Last thing. What's the cheapest/most acceptable way of hooking a PS2 to a HDMI-only TV? Picrel's all I've got.

>>11890929
There was a lot of DS flash carts

>>11890826
lol

>>11892080
Nta, but I have a CycloDS from way back and it works great.

>>11890997
Buying a better TV