>Nintendo 64 cartridges can't handle Final Fan...?!

Again with this dumb thread? Degenerates like you deserve to be nailed to a cross

>>11882290 (OP)
One could barely handle Megaman Legends.

>>11882290 (OP)
>>Nintendo 64 cartridges can't handle Final Fan...?!
Where is it? You posted a butchered RE2 port

>>11882290 (OP)
Two entire 700MB Cds into one single cartridge.

Final Fantasy 7 was a much bigger game with much more content.

>>11882290 (OP)
Its an impressive port but to play devils advocate there was never a genuine reason for RE2 to be on 2 discs. Nothing about the second campaign couldn't have fit on the first disc considering its mostly the same content. I don't know the official reason the game shipped on two discs, Ive heard it was an accident or something.

At some point releasing games on several CDs was a marketing gimmick to make people believe the game had lots of content.

Just use less pre-rendered backgrounds, and model the environments instead.
People act like a port has to be literally the same game.

>>11883161
The devs said there's one CD's worth of data between the two discs and only had to ship on two because they never had time to properly compress the audio.

>>11882323
>Two entire 700MB CDs
Except the part where a large chunk of the data was the same between them
And the audio and video didn't make it onto the cart in it's entirety

Imagine how shitty the FF7 FMVs would look on an N64 cart...

>>11885361
av1 solves this

>>11885361
They already look like shit on a PS1 disc, I can't even imagine

>>11885361
FMVs are a failure in script writing

>>11885414
shut the fuck up they're cool

>>11885414
i liked the ones in chrono cross
those ones actually look really good
that whole game does, really

>>11885414
This is just N64 fanboy cope

>>11885414
say that to my fmv face

>>11885382
It doesn't. Even if you ignore how taxing it is on the CPU to decode AV1 and I HIGHLY doubt even the best MIPS assembly god could get an N64 to do it in realtime, I actually tried to AV1 compress FF7's cutscenes. Short answer, no, AV1 is not the solution. I forget what the best I could do was exactly, but it wasn't getting anywhere close to the 64MB RE2 cart and the quality was getting REALLY bad.
AV1 like HEVC only achieves huge compression ratios on HD->4K video because it's so clever at turning large areas of low complexity into tiny numbers. When you're encoding lores video with high frequency changes, it barely does any better than old mpeg4.

>>11885361
>remake the cutscenes in engine
"NooooO! You can't just do that!"

>>11886024
just put an av1 decoder chip on the cart that comes with its own flash memory for huge data

>>11886061
If we're going to use technology that didn't exist in the 90s, then why make it an N64 cart at all? Just keep going and keep adding more "helper" chips until eventually you've got a chinese android box running a hacked swanstation.

>>11886086
it's fair game, they added state of the art technology to snes carts when starfox came out

Final fantasy has more shit than RE2 and can't be easily cut and compressed
Either make a full homebrew port of ffvii (so the full game, no bullshit where it's just a slice of the game) that fits on ONE cartridge, or never post this thread again.

>>11886104
>ffvii on n64 cart, but it costs about as much as a computer

>>11886116
>you are allowed to switch cds
>you aren't allowed to switch carts

>>11886136
More like that can't be done on an N64, otherwise Stop n swap would have worked.

>>11886159
ff7 is linear and the n64 has memory carts, you could turn it off for swaps

>>11882290 (OP)
>CHECKMATE sony, we can play resident evil 2 with extremely compressed audio/sound so the games atmosphere is completely fucked and for more money then the ps1 version because n64 carts were expensive to produce so nintendo raised the cost of games. never-mind even more advanced games in the same series were already out on ps1 by the time we got this.
I dunno why these aging console war types always talk about shit like this instead of actually great n64 exclusive games like sin and punishment, but I guess it was always about my toy wins instead of just playing good games.

>>11886104
Well, state of the art is a stretch, but even if it was, it was state of the art for 1992. Giving people who couldn't afford a better computer a cheap way to play 3D makes infinitely more sense than a modern day chip put on an N64 cart to achieve something that couldn't have been done in 1996 to play a game from that year on hardware that wasn't available for a price that no one would have paid...

>>11886104
and star fox snes was a game that you can beat in an hour while ff7 is a game with enough sidequests that it took kids who could only play games for a few hours after school months to finish it

>>11886252
It's fun for the technical achievement. Sin & Punishment is a good game, but it's clearly an N64 game built around the hardware. RE2 was clearly a PS1 game built entirely around its strengths of which the N64 shares few and yet they achieved it. Which makes you wonder what other games could have been achieved with the right development team. So we wonder. And speculate. And shitpost. And then argue about semantics.

>>11885414
>>11885361
in spite of all the ads that suggest nintendo marketers are gonna kill themselves after seeing the FF7 FMV's the actual problem is the games like 80 CD quality audio tracks. There's a reason why every n64 game has the same 10 songs playing the whole game and/or a bunch of brief midi loops

>>11885361
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=icVy7Ve6y6A

Perhaps because this game dropped the ball with music compression making it ship on two discs it would be fair game to use two cartridges? Maybe use a password system for cart 2 to transfer your save.

>>11886285
Star fox 64 off the top of my head had a lot of music I don’t think many games I’ve played on the 64 have less than 20 tracks and there is a surprisingly large amount of good n64 songs I would argue perhaps the limitations are why they are so fun to listen to because it’s almost a genre.

>>11886252
>muh audio/sound
>muh atmosphere
Who gives a shit, this isn't cinema, you play games for the gameplay and loading from a cartridge takes way less time, meaning you can get to the gameplay quicker

>>11886334
If you're this arcadepilled why are you even posting in a thread about how a slow autoaim survival horror game and a jrpg could've totally released on the n64, check yourself.

>>11886325
I really like SF64 but that's one of the biggest examples I can think of where every song is just a brief midi that loops the whole level. catchy and short =/= bad but you're crazy if you're telling me you wouldn't rather play a version of SF64 that had music quality on the level of an ace combat game.
the gigaleak showed that they had to compress the voice acting in this game so badly that they literally sound like different people from the actual recorded voice acting.

>>11886336
I was scrolling the threads and saw your post, your mindset is what brought us movie game rubbish

N64 couldn't handle it and so Square delivered one of the best games of all time, if not the best. It would've been garbage in comparison on an N64 and I couldn't even care less about the fmvs. They would have had to remove so much to make it fit on N64, and it would've had been heavily censored and much more expensive. I only had Nintendo until '02 so I have no bias for Sony. I can't believe anyone actually thinks the N64 could've done it, so I have to assume this is a troll thread.
FFVII PC port came out 6-7 months later which also removed the loading times, which was the only advantage the N64 had.

>>11886349
the game I held up as an example of a good n64 game is a railshooter. take a deep breath

>>11886352
It's a retarded bait thread, and OP should learn to code, decomp FFVII, port it to N64 and see if he can get it to fit on a 90s N64 cart.

>>11882307
>butchered
>has dolby surround stereo while ps1, dreamcast and gamecube ports don't
Ouch

>>11886352
>FFVII PC port came out 6-7 months later which also removed the loading times,

and used midi audio lmao
what the fuck were they doing
just rip the music to audio files faggots

>>11882290 (OP)
...tasy 7 and the RE2 port was butched.

RE2 only was 2 discs because Capcom were dummies who didn't knew how to use their data, both disc share 2/3rds of the same data.

>>11883169
Nigga just because Capcom were stupid during RE2 doesn't mean it's the same for everyone, FF7 did have unique data content on all it's discs.

>>11886285
Yeah, and it fucking sucked.

>>11888767
The Playstation version is sampled directly from a midi module.

>>11886285
>>11888767
>>11889030

The Playstation version uses Sequenced Music as well. The main difference is the instrument bank and number of channels used. There is no CD audio used in Final Fantasy VII

>>11889030
>>11889048
ALLZ I KNOW:
PS1 sounds a million times better than PC

>>11889110
Also Im talking about original release, not steam version.

and NO i did not own a roland midi rt32 majigger

>>11889110
I couldn't tell the difference desu. I modded in the PSX versions anyway.
And to go with the topic, it would've sounded worse on N64 anyway.

>>11889110
Again, PS1 is loading a custom instrument set. The PC version is using the instrument set of sound card being used. All of these are examples of the PS1 and Saturn doing what is effectively MIDI but with custom instruments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B1opY1K8tk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak-AfYL-rfI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMm7kayDeTU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFjHWw_w91Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLmf2DxZVOY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI33p8WocCo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE_AeJiyo3Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GOFBi0fo0k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hOmqwhTPs0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI48WETulpc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJb2PYYBAWE

>>11882307
isn't N64 audio all muffled tho and shit? What good is that dolby audio for that

>>11889229
Sounds fine.
Dolby surround is more about the surrounding effect and not the quality per se. But yeah it doesn't sound muffled to me.