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Anonymous No.11883330 >>11883337 >>11883345 >>11883364 >>11883380 >>11883383 >>11883674 >>11883717 >>11883729 >>11884040 >>11884258 >>11884365 >>11884601 >>11884613 >>11886246 >>11886480 >>11887082 >>11887657 >>11887683 >>11890864 >>11891664 >>11892126 >>11893419 >>11895083
Terrible Designs
Seriously, who looked at this and went "yeah that's exactly how cloud should look"
Anonymous No.11883337
>>11883330 (OP)
It fits the narrative but yeah, not his best design.
Anonymous No.11883342
It's cool
Anonymous No.11883345 >>11893559
>>11883330 (OP)
>Kingdhom Hearts RC

DS game, not retro
Anonymous No.11883359 >>11883460
I like this design in a non-ironic way. I don't think it's 'edgekino' or anything, it just looks genuinely good to me
Anonymous No.11883364 >>11883782 >>11884258 >>11886392
>>11883330 (OP)
Anonymous No.11883373 >>11883376 >>11883471 >>11883869 >>11883939 >>11884217 >>11884258 >>11886481 >>11888958 >>11888960 >>11890271 >>11890272 >>11890301 >>11890464 >>11891794 >>11895214
I've always thought this looks like absolute trash
Anonymous No.11883376
>>11883373
That's cool too.
Anonymous No.11883380 >>11885128
>>11883330 (OP)
A mix between Vincent Valentine and Cloud Strife? I'm very happy not have fallen for the KH crapfest.
Anonymous No.11883383 >>11883385 >>11883398 >>11884247
>>11883330 (OP)
Sakaguchi was out of the picture to rein in Nomura's gayness. Kingdom Hearts was the beginning of the end for all of the company's worst qualities to be placed out front.
Anonymous No.11883385 >>11883398
>>11883383
>Kingdom Hearts was the beginning of the end for all of the company's worst qualities to be placed out front.
If that wasn't FF8, it was certainly FFX, where the male protag looked like an early 2000s lesbian
Anonymous No.11883398 >>11883408 >>11883427
>>11883383
>>11883385
The truth is that Amano's designs were unironically even more gay. it's just that we never got to see them in 3D games like VIII or X
Anonymous No.11883403 >>11883413 >>11883979 >>11888279
sovl vs sovless
Anonymous No.11883408 >>11883424
>>11883398
It's not just a lack of 3D models, Sakaguchi naturally understood how to appeal to straight beer drinking men instead of sad gay boys like Nomura even with faggier source material.
Anonymous No.11883413 >>11890852 >>11891670
>>11883403
I'm still not sure who's the artist behind the original ALttP Link, supposedly it's Yoichi Kotabe but compare it to pic related (this one is 100% by him), kinda looks off
Anonymous No.11883424
>>11883408
>Sakaguchi naturally understood how to appeal to straight beer drinking men
Anonymous No.11883427 >>11883469
>>11883398
>it's just that we never got to see them in 3D games
To be fair Amano's art is borderline unadaptable in 3D. Good artist but bad concept artist for the purposes of making a video game.
Anonymous No.11883460
>>11883359
In all honesty if they just removed the gay wing and bandage over the sword I would probably not mind it as much.
Anonymous No.11883469 >>11888948
>>11883427
Yeah it's the main reason I think he fell out of favor in the 3D era, from what I remember him and the lady who did the majority of the sprites worked very closely and as a result the sprites came out as some of the best in the industry. But to adapt those paintings to 3D would require you to change the entire look of the game.
Anonymous No.11883471
>>11883373
I think it looks cool as rendered on the N64, but agree its somewhat ridiculous otherwise.
Anonymous No.11883518 >>11883537 >>11883785 >>11888936
Cloud was turned into an emo by people who never finished FF7 and saw the true Cloud Strife as the heroic go-getter who took the fight straight to Sephiroth and won.
Anonymous No.11883537
>>11883518
Nomura never finished FF7? He designed Cloud in the first place.
Anonymous No.11883674
>>11883330 (OP)
The target audience.
Anonymous No.11883717 >>11885431 >>11890623
>>11883330 (OP)
Kids who shopped at Hot Topic ATE THIS SHIT UP in the 2000s.
Anonymous No.11883729 >>11883758 >>11883795
>>11883330 (OP)
Why is there a bandage wrapped haphazardly around the blade?
Anonymous No.11883758 >>11884563 >>11884601
>>11883729
The same reason FF characters got draped in belts around this time, Nomura just thought it looked cool
Anonymous No.11883782
>>11883364
That at least has a lore explanation, it allows Mickey and Riku (and the rest of OXIII) to use corridors of darkness safely.
Anonymous No.11883785
>>11883518
Even if you didn't finish it, Cloud is sarcastic as fuck prior to overcoming his trauma.
Anonymous No.11883795
>>11883729
a hoonter must hoont
Anonymous No.11883869 >>11884218
>>11883373
Always liked the moon and triangle symbols on the chest.
Nah I think Oni Link is cool as fuck.
Anonymous No.11883939
>>11883373
ow the edge
Anonymous No.11883954
Better than the original
Anonymous No.11883979 >>11887668
>>11883403
nah albw's art looks amazing, get off the drugs
Anonymous No.11884038
Ayame's redesign in Tenchu: Fatal Shadows. She looks less like herself and more like one of the generic kunoichi mooks you have to kill in the previous games
Anonymous No.11884040
>>11883330 (OP)
i like it.
Anonymous No.11884217
>>11883373
Contrarian retard
Anonymous No.11884218
>>11883869
Same
Anonymous No.11884247
>>11883383
The irony when Sakaguchi just made a dogshit movie that lost the company hundreds of millions while Kingdom Hearts ended up making all that money back and more.
Anonymous No.11884258
>>11883330 (OP)
HOLY FUCKING DIMES
>>11883364
DAMN, MICKEY GOT THAT DRIPPY DROP
>>11883373
BAAAAAAAAAAASED
Anonymous No.11884365 >>11884567
>>11883330 (OP)
No pictures but off the top of my head.
>The tactics advance protags.
>Maxim in the DS barf reimagination of Lufia 2.
>Raiden in MGS2.
>BoG DQ Ryu design. The Ryu from the mobile BoF6 if it counts.
Anonymous No.11884563
>>11883758
Her tits really do a good job of distracting you from how retarded her dress is
Anonymous No.11884567
>>11884365
Hey, BoF6 Ryu is hot. Don't lump him in with the shitty Dairy Queen Ryu design.
Anonymous No.11884601 >>11884608
>>11883330 (OP)
I looked at that and said "hell yea." I probably pogged. Definitely didn't squee tho.

>>11883758
Wasn't Lulu's design in part because the 3D modelers commented on how difficult it was to model all of the belts Nomura designed his characters with, so he gave Lulu a whole skirt full of belts as a sort of "fuck you"?
Anonymous No.11884608 >>11884614
>>11884601
Yes, and he also did that with Squall's fur lining on his jacket. In the end, more detail leads to a higher perceived quality and sets the games apart. His characters are the most memorable and famous for a reason.
Anonymous No.11884613
>>11883330 (OP)
mmmmmm.... now thats badass
Anonymous No.11884614 >>11884674
>>11884608
It really went a long way back then when Square were doing a lot to lead the entire charge with realistic CGI. I mean you think back to what music videos or companies like Pixar were doing, it was heavily stylized. People clown on Spirits Within now but it really wasn't as big of a departure at the time with how much Square was already doing to lead in computer graphics focused on realism.
Anonymous No.11884674 >>11885012 >>11895228
>>11884614
They were actually way ahead of the times with Spirits Within in that they catered to what they thought was required of a mainstream product, instead of doing what they actually think is the best. They worked together with Western crew to make a 'Western styled' Final Fantasy movie, and it didn't deliver. Square were the first ones to discover the problem with modern gaming where they cater to some supposed mainstream casual audiences expectations and the core does not like it. Sadly, the people in charge didn't seem to notice why Spirits actually flopped and stuff like Kingdom Hearts, which is the farthest from catering to some norm, wildly succeeded. They then made the same mistakes around the time of FFXIII. When FFVII came out, the commercials advertised Cloud as an ex-soldier. He looks the farthest thing away from that. When they made Advent Children, the crew said they had no idea how to make a movie and just made it the way they make game cutscenes. Ended up pleasing the fans way more. If you go back to even FF7, some of the shit they did with the camera work was actually way ahead of movies, like the camera going through a window from inside to outdoors, which later became popular in stuff like Fincher films, Asian films, etc. Creative people making what they think is cool and pushing each other to step up their game usually leads to good shit if the people in charge have a clue of what they should be doing. I hate that modern stuff is either cater to some norm or otaku shit with the same tired tropes and everything by the book with no idea of innovation or even being a little eccentric. In the age of 'cinematicc games the directing and cinematography also sucks ass compared to even PS1 stuff.
Anonymous No.11885012 >>11886629
>>11884674
Please break up your text with some spacing.
Anonymous No.11885127 >>11885223 >>11895230 >>11895896
why is the sword bandaged? what purpose does it serve?
Anonymous No.11885128
>>11883380
Vincent was originally planned to be the character that cloud ended up as in KH1.
Anonymous No.11885223
>>11885127
Softens the blow making what would be fatal hits into a simple KO
Anonymous No.11885431
>>11883717
it was a better time
Anonymous No.11885451 >>11890258
The sentiment that characters in a fictional fantastic setting should all look like some boring-ass literally (you) just baffles me.

You nigs are just mad that you can't look like that
Anonymous No.11886246 >>11886382 >>11886483 >>11887661 >>11897207
>>11883330 (OP)
Whats the lore behind his gay wing? Why does he only have one of them?
t. never played final fantasy or kingdom hearts
Anonymous No.11886382
>>11886246
"One-winged angel" is a popular design cue in Japanese media. Essentially it means "anti-hero."
Anonymous No.11886392 >>11886635
>>11883364
ok you have to admit this is funny as fuck
Anonymous No.11886480
>>11883330 (OP)
It was cool back in 2000
Anonymous No.11886481
>>11883373
It's a very good thing you're not a character designer
Anonymous No.11886483 >>11887671
>>11886246
sephiroth has one in his final battle, and it fits with his whole seraph motif. dunno how they explain this one though. maybe it's just the mako dna stuff still affecting cloud after his death even though the scene after that fight seems to indicate it's all gone what with him getting eviscerated
Anonymous No.11886629 >>11887656 >>11888787
>>11885012
NTA but then retards call you out for Reddit spacing. It's retarded, but this is a site full of retards now, unfortunately.
Anonymous No.11886635 >>11886674 >>11886781
>>11886392
It's funny that Japanese people unironically thought that was cool and made a game with that in it. Non-weeb Westerners find Kingdom Hearts to be just about the epitome of cringe.
Anonymous No.11886674
>>11886635
>tips fedora
Anonymous No.11886781 >>11897015
>>11886635
>ackshually, please allow me, a person crying about Kingdom Hearts on an anime site, explain to you what is cool! nevermind the fact Kingdom Hearts made hundreds of millions of dollars and i have never touched a vagina
Anonymous No.11887082
>>11883330 (OP)
probably the same faggot that said squall was a good name and the art direction of ff9 was good
Anonymous No.11887656
>>11886629
Who cares faggot? It's a fuckin Taiwanese Pill Pressing Forum, just do whatever you want.

Look at that I can type like this
Orlikethis
Or Even Like This
Anonymous No.11887657
>>11883330 (OP)
I hate Kingdom Hearts so much it's unreal.
Anonymous No.11887661
>>11886246
Sephiroth from FF7 is known as the "one-winged angel" so they gave Cloud a single devil wing to match
Anonymous No.11887668 >>11890270
>>11883979
That’s not albw art; they redrew all the LttP key art for the gba port
Anonymous No.11887671
>>11886483
It’s also worth noting the KH Sephiroth design that goes along with that Cloud design also has one wing, but on the opposite side
Anonymous No.11887683 >>11888770
>>11883330 (OP)
Anonymous No.11888279
>>11883403
i like both for different reasons
Anonymous No.11888770
>>11887683
Is it a bad design if I fap to it?
Anonymous No.11888787
>>11886629
this site has been dead since 2014.
I say that as someone that started browsing in 2018
Anonymous No.11888936
>>11883518
He just knuckled down to overcome the issue right in front of him, which is also what he does in Advent Children. It doesn't mean he isn't harbouring emotional tumult.
Anonymous No.11888948
>>11883469
Part of what makes Amano's art so good is very much tied to his medium of watercolors and pencils. In 3D video game terms this would translate to some crazy out-there shaders and effects, which I don't think could have been possible before 7th gen at least. Think of something similar to El Shaddai.
Anonymous No.11888958
>>11883373
lol, he skipped left leg day.
Anonymous No.11888960
>>11883373
As is the case with most of MM.
Anonymous No.11890250 >>11890254 >>11890829 >>11895234
Anonymous No.11890254
>>11890250
Actually heard SatAM's theme song play when reading the right LOL
Anonymous No.11890258
>>11885451
Dante should be left
Anonymous No.11890270
>>11887668
These are fine, it's not like the Yamamuro DBZ posters where the enshittification is clear on sight.
Anonymous No.11890271
>>11883373
>it's okay when Nintendo do it
Anonymous No.11890272
>>11883373
Reminder this exists because they scrapped the Adult Link Mask mechanic
Anonymous No.11890279
I wish SEGA never left out Super Sonic in CD because of the different macguffins.
Anonymous No.11890301
>>11883373
It looks like super saiyan 5 fanart.
Anonymous No.11890464
>>11883373
You crazy man, Oni Link is awesome.
Anonymous No.11890623
>>11883717
Vgh
Anonymous No.11890829
>>11890250
if sonic released in the 80s would we still have this cringe permeating or would sega make a gritty reboot series for it and keep classic sonic firmly separate? or at least mostly separate like how mega man x does it where there's hints about a connection but you can ignore it if you don't like it
Anonymous No.11890852
>>11883413
The art for ALttP was farmed out to an anime studio, don't know which one though.
Anonymous No.11890864 >>11890882 >>11891741 >>11891768
>>11883330 (OP)
he really got off easy compared to the rest of KH characters
only like 5 belts?
couldve been a lot worse

also
whys cloud the only FF character who didnt get arbitrarily renamed?
Anonymous No.11890882
>>11890864
Only Squall was renamed though, and with a story justifcation
Anonymous No.11891664 >>11892434
>>11883330 (OP)
Beats his remake look
Anonymous No.11891670
>>11883413
Man this image makes me want a 3D Link's Awakening.
Anonymous No.11891741
>>11890864
Cloud draws too many dimes to be renamed. It would be like renaming Hulk Hogan or John Cena.
Anonymous No.11891768 >>11893424
>>11890864
Yuffie, Wakka, Seplhie, TIdus, Cid and Aerith didn't get renamed.
Anonymous No.11891794 >>11892230
>>11883373
nah man, this is dope. majora was a mask of total chaos, and fierce diety is a mask of total order. it's two edge ocs being pitted against eachother, and in all likelihood majora's mask made up fierce diety in response to young link's quiet resolve and asswhoopery.
Anonymous No.11892126
>>11883330 (OP)
I never played KH but I like the cloak with cloud's ff7 design.
Anonymous No.11892230
>>11891794
>and fierce diety is a mask of total order.
Where are you getting this from?
Anonymous No.11892434
>>11891664
Sad but true.
Anonymous No.11893419
>>11883330 (OP)
Tetsuya "this needs more belts" Nomura.
Anonymous No.11893424
>>11891768
Setzer, vivi or seifer either
Anonymous No.11893552
>the thirteen year-olds liked cloud
>lets remake him a year younger and edgier and retcon his backstory
Anonymous No.11893559
>>11883345
That's exactly how he looked in the PS2 game
Anonymous No.11895083
>>11883330 (OP)
Unironically a great design that fits KH perfectly. Edgy in a cartoony way, deemphasizes the "cyberpunk-soldier" vibe of his original design in favor of something more whimsical and fantasy-inspired, basically a child's idea of someone "dangerous". Bat wings are a common motif among enemies in the game, so the wing suggests he's a bad guy you have to defeat, but the cloak suggests he's something closer to a protagonist / hero, even if its frayed edges and the way it covers his face adds an "intimidating" aura to him. Visible bandages usually connote being a battle-hardened veteran (drawing a sharp contrast to the naive and inexperienced Sora). Them being on the sword adds to that cartoony fantastical element without being too suggestive of violence for a child audience. KH is all about adding a sense of danger to cartoonish child-friendly Disney properties and in this sense he fits in perfectly.
Anonymous No.11895214
>>11883373
I like to imagine the Fierce Deity represents the very first hero of Hyrule/the Zelda universe, that every other Link carries on the spirit of.
Anonymous No.11895228
>>11884674
I always wished they salvaged Spirits and made an experimental as fuck rpg out of it. Maybe test the waters by making it a pc exclusive or ps2 title.
Anonymous No.11895230
>>11885127
So you dont cut yourself on his edge.
Anonymous No.11895234 >>11897612
>>11890250
The burgers concept of Mobius was always better than whatever non existent world building Japan had conceived of. It's pretty fucked that Mario had a more fleshed out world.
Anonymous No.11895896
>>11885127
if he needs bandages he can just rip some off his sword
Anonymous No.11897015 >>11897021
>>11886781
>nevermind the fact Kingdom Hearts made hundreds of millions of dollars and i have never touched a vagina
OH GEE I GUESS JUSTIN BIEBER IS GOOD NOW SINCE HE MADE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS
fuck off
Anonymous No.11897021 >>11897034
>>11897015
If he made money and entertained people, then yes, he was good at what he set out to do. This is not difficult. From another perspective Cloud in FF7, KH and other appearances is still to this day is very frequently revisited and enjoyed and he is one of the most popular and beloved characters ever. Are you trying to tell me his design isn't good just because you say so?
Anonymous No.11897034
>>11897021
no i am trying to say that it's bad because it looks like shit
and thinking popular thing good is utmost plebbery
Anonymous No.11897207
>>11886246
Kingdom Hearts uses the characters differently from FFVII. In KH Cloud refers to Sephiroth as like his dark half or something. It follows with the light side/dark side motif. So they both have one wing as a visual representation of them being two opposite parts of a connected whole or whatever. I don't know exactly but I believe it's something like that.
Anonymous No.11897612
>>11895234
>The burgers concept of Mobius was always better
Nope
>It's pretty fucked that Mario had a more fleshed out world
Even so, it doesn't mean the tv/archie/idw garbage is any better.