Thread 11886536

ITT: Fuck you I liked it

Everyone likes that game though.

>>11886536 (OP)
Anyone who didn't like Sunshine is literally just bad at the game and likely too retarded to handle inverted camera control. If this describes you then don't play Star Fox. Mario's control is so tight you can spin jump and side flip on a dime and FLUDD makes the gameplay super fast paced. Sunshine is the best Mario's ever controlled. The cohesive setting of the island and each level having its own storyline to tell as you progress through the objectives gives the game such rich charm and character. The verticality in the level design as well as each level being built with a high point to view the island on shows care on the devs' part to show that nailing Mario's movement and the worldbuilding was paramount to them and they 100% succeeded. Every problem shine people bitch about too like Pachinko, lily pad, and sand bird are all incredibly easy as well if you aren't a drooling retard.

>>11886536 (OP)
There's nothing "fuck you" about that. It's a legit amazing game with crazy freedom. Too bad it fell just short of what they tried to do. Just 1-2 more worlds, less BS difficulty, less blue coins autism, more exploration of what to do with FLUDD beside washing off graffiti, and it'd be recognized as peak

>>11886536 (OP)
I also liked it, but I did find it incredibly disappointing how much worse than SM64 it was.

Anyone looking to replay this, I recommend Super Mario Sunburn which has a bunch of QoL fixes like no prompts on picking up blue coins, as well as a much-appreciated long jump move. The same modder has bigger hack called Eclipse which doubles the shine count with a bunch of original levels, but I think this bloats the game + the new levels stick out like sore thumbs. Would only recommend Eclipse for hardcore Sunshineheads

>>11886561
No

I liked it too, OP.

My I ky gripe is that the rocket and turbo nozzles usually only appeared in situatwhere you basically needed them instead of being options you could use for all sorts of things.

>>11886567
Well MAYBE a koopa will lend us his... if we persuade him!

>Super Mario World

Clearly inferior to Super Mario Bros 3, it’s pretty much a reskin of that game with worse power-ups, but it’s not as bad as people say it is. Flawed but it’s a 7/10 worth a playthrough at least once

>>11886536 (OP)
Sunshine is the best retro Mario

>>11886536 (OP)
Pros
>I like the silly voice acting.
>Basic platforming feels good most of the time.
>Music is pretty good.
>Unique setting, designs, style, and atmosphere.
>Base Levels are mostly pretty good, if samey at times.
Cons
>Physics are very unpolished. Some missions are more difficult because of the physics being unpredictable, not the player's skill.
>Mario moves around like he's on crack at the slightest touch of the Stick.
>Can't use Fludd Hover in the air out of Dive somersault, for some reason.
>Can't Wall-jump out of Fludd Hover, for some reason
>Fludd hover kills a bit too much momentum.
>Nozzles are underutilized.
>Bonking is not a good mechanic on top of being inconsistent when it even happens. Skill issue, sure whatever, but it still shouldn't even exist.
>Most Level gates are put around Delfino seemingly carelessly and at random. Most not having any clever bearing on the level it takes you to.
>Last level is extremely bad, and doesn't test the player's learned skills at all.
It's fine.

>>11886561
I would like a romhacker to remove the least fun blue coin to find, over and over until there comes a time when removing the coin would make the game LESS fun, at which point the process would end and the hack would be published. Has anybody done anything like that?

>>11886536 (OP)
Such a brave opinion, the Nintendo equivalent of admitting you like Greendog - The Beached Surfer Dude!

>>11886793
So basically remove every single blue coin?

>>11886802
If that'd be the result, then absolutely. Why keep even one if it only makes the game worse? Personally I enjoy the treasure hunt concept enough that I think there'd still be a small minority of them left, if the romhacker were doing the job with my feelings in mind (via a psychic connection). I think that my positive experience of collecting all items in Diddy's Kong Quest is evidence of this. When collectathon gameplay feels more like puzzle-solving than like busywork, it CAN be good.

>>11886793
>I would like a romhacker to remove the least fun blue coin to find, over and over
..why don't you just ignore the blue coins? Why do you need someone to remove them

>>11886539
Really? Mario 3 is pretty well regarded as pretty good, I don't take anonymous contrarians seriously.

>>11886874

If I ignore them then I don't get to find the fun ones. Anyway games should not contain features that only cause harm, even if they can be ignored. The player is nudged toward caring about blue coins plenty of times - I mean it's a Mario game, you see a coin and you know you're supposed to consider trying to pick it up. It's not like the blue coin hunt is a side game that's only accessible via a secondary option in the main menu and that somebody interested in the main quest would never have to even see. If they're bad then I want them gone.

I also want all Piantas replaced with something more pleasant looking. I don't like their gross fat bodies or their stupid skirts. My hypothetical romhacker will tackle that problem as well, off in hypothetical land.

>>11886874
Mental illness.

>>11886886
>If I ignore them then I don't get to find the fun ones.
Find the fun ones and ignore the rest?

Doom 3
Half Life 2

Behead all revisionist scum who talk down on Half Life 2

>>11887105
Half life 2 is good, but it's not the second coming of christ as some like to claim

>>11886992
Why would I do that after a romhacker has already made a version of the game that automates it? You people are much too interested in doing the work of machines. You might as well say that every block of stone has the most finely chiseled statue within it already, so the entire medium of sculpture is irrelevant - all one has to do is look at the original stone and ignore the parts that the sculptor would have chiseled away.

>>11887129
Yeah the reception it got at the time was absurdly positive. But the people that hate on it now are overcorrecting it to the extreme.

>>11887136
Contrarians are dumb, I agree. Half-Life 1 was incredibly influential, but those who say that 2 is (one of) the greatest games of all time or was just as influential always fail to explain why, at least in my view

>>11887131
Just make a romhack that automates the entirety of gameplay then

>>11886536 (OP)
I'll post more hot takes.

>>11887129
it's one of those games that's just at the peak of its niche. any title that challenges hl2 without circumventing it and doing something else inevitably falls short.

>>11887158
I scrolled through a lot of YouTube comments and nearly everyone said just the fact that you had Pacman in your home, to play as long as you want, was a legendary feeling.

Amy's gameplay with the hammer jump in Sonic Adventure was really fun to control and a whole 3d platformer game centered around that could've rivaled Banjo and Mario easily.

>>11887158
Not only is this a "fuck you I liked it", it's also just a really good game.

>>11887171
This one is less "controversial", but it's still divisive enough to warrant the phrase.

>>11886542
>Every problem shine people bitch about too like Pachinko, lily pad, and sand bird are all incredibly easy as well if you aren't a drooling retard.
I love Sunshine a lot, but let's not pretend this game doesn't have some glaring flaws.
While I personally like the secret levels, what truly let me down is the final level/boss. Corona mountain is easily the worst final stage in any Mario game (and perhaps 3D platformers in general).

>>11887105
Half-Life 2 somewhat deserves the praise it gets, but Doom 3? Complete and utter garbage that should be forgotten about desu.

>>11887136
>>11887150
Everyone has explained it to death, you’re just stupid and coping. I’ve played almost every shooter under the sun, hl2 is a genre defining experience.

>>11887153
Lose weight and see a doctor about your depression.

>>11887158
You can't have a hot take on something that stopped being hot forty years ago. Learn English.

>>11887420
I found it to be pretty dull and boring

>>11886553
>with crazy freedom

>>11886536 (OP)
Scooby-Doo and the Cyber Chase for PS1... I love the Crash Bandicoot formula, so I dig this despite being subpar.

>>11887315
It's an incredible and terrifying horror game. Doom 3 stands the test of time.

Bubsy 1 on SNES

>>11886536 (OP)
Incredibly fun combat and levels, marred by some jank.

>>11887131
>work of machines
You do realize you are the machine, right?

>>11886536 (OP)
god awful game

>>11889467
it's an alright licensed love letter, the canned action adventure gameplay is just kind of boring way to adapt the matrix. max payne and jedi knight are much better matrix games than the licensed property.

>>11887165
Beautiful art

>>11887420
1>2
Cope the way you want

>>11886536 (OP)
Amateur.

>>11886536 (OP)
Yes, you saw the boxart correctly, I'm talking about PS1 verson
I absolutely loved the game as a kid, but as years went by it became my least favourite among original Rayman trilogy, and for a long time I couldn't really figure out why.
Eventually it hit me - I absolutely adore the atmosphere and aesthetics of Rayman 2 (as well as sound and music design), but its gameplay just doesn't work for me:
>too many garbage "mini-game" sections that turn a short and easy 3D platformer into a slog
>the combat system doesn't really work (you can shoot out tons of lums but it doesn't matter because almost every enemy has i-frames, so then you try to use charged lums but then you usually get him before you finish charging it up or outright whiff the shot because enemy moved behind an obstacle)
>I felt scammed by 100% yellow lum completion (though devs his that 1000th lum pretty well, which was cool)
And while PS1 version didn't fix the combat aspect, it did fix the other two:
>I never cared about Fairy Glade's "revisit" (especially since this thing happened only once during the entire game) so I'm indifferent to it being gone
>Sanctuary of Stone and Fire lost a bunch of monotone plum riding and kept it at minimum while keeping fun platforming segments and making them non-optional like in other versions? Great!
>Top of the World is gone? Good, it sucked
>Tomb of the Ancients was toned down? Good, less HP sponge spiders to deal with
>Garbage baby Globox ship segment is removed? Good!
>final boss is completely different and fun now? Good, because original one sucked so much many people didn't want to bother with it and eventually went for infinite ammo secret to finish the game ASAP
>you get a playable "what-if" level from original 2D pitch of Rayman 2 for collecting almost all yellow lums
The only thing I really miss in PS1 version is Sanctuary of Water and Ice - I wish devs would remove Whale Bay (another garbage level) instead of it.

>>11886536 (OP)
It's funny how Sonic 06 is getting some heaping praise nowadays, even the controversial kiss scene, while the only other Mario that plays like Super Mario 64 is seen as the the devil to the Normie64 and Wii Remote generations.
>inb4 b-but people still shit on Silver
People shit on his western/dub despictions and mostly from outside the games.

>>11886561
>Casual of Life
Literally stop doing this.

>>11886793
>game was intended to be hard
>let's make the game more baby mode
Are you still struggling with Sonic platformers too?

>>11886541
I bought up Sunshine in /smbg/ and the general spent up their remaining 400 post to dog on the game

It went from overrated rpg to overhated IP.

>>11890989
That is the worst image I've ever seen lmao.

>>11890978
>1 blue coin has been deposited to your account

>>11890990
it looks more deepfried than some pictures that have that done to them on purpose

>>11891004
Yeah lol.
I think it was an ai upscale of a really, really small image.

I never played Monster Party as a kid, so it wasn't until the early 2000s that I discovered it thanks to the online retrogaming scene. Sure it's kinda janky, but the gameplay can still be pretty satisfying, and the way the atmosphere fluctuates between silly parody horror and actually creepy (for an NES game) moments makes for a great atmosphere. Plus the title theme and credits theme are legitimately among my favorite NES tunes.

>>11886536 (OP)
the tropical vibe a lot of late 90s/early 2000s games had due to finally cracking water rendering was chill as hell

>>11890930
>2025
>not liking this game
I seriously hope you gabagools don't do this.

>>11891028
Wasn’t there a movie this was based on or maybe they aren’t related w teens taking on all the universal monsters… or maybe that had a different name.

>>11891031
What are some of your favorites. I liked ffx beach, donkey kong 64, in retrospect pretty much anything Sega around that time (missed out on Dreamcast growing up but they have some kino tropical areas in games and really their look mastered this imo again in retrospect), damn I’m drawing a blank on others. I love that setting as well as snowy settings like Majoras mask snow area.

>>11891270
Oh fucking wave race 64 was absolutely the master at this setting

>>11890975
>the only other Mario that plays like Super Mario 64
odyssey exists and is not blatantly unfinished

>>11891270
the digital foundry retro 2 parter on the evolution of water in 3d games has a lot of good examples but some other stuff i liked:

chrono cross: people like to whine about its relation to trigger but cross is an absolute vibe, really enjoyed it and its absolutely beautiful.

waverace blue storm: the water is crazy good for an early gcn game

kingdom hearts had a bit of this with the destiny islands section

>>11886536 (OP)
This game perfectly captured how the 6th gen began the downfall of gaming. It wasn't bad, but it was just really mediocre and bland. Meanwhile Mario 64 was like an acid trip.

>>11886791
The game also looks like shit. Majority of it is grey or green.

I quite like The Terminator (Game Gear/Master System), The Terminator (NES), Terminator 2: Judgement Day (Game Boy), Terminator 2: Judgement Day (NES) and Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (Game Boy Advance) despite all of them being mostly subpar, and generally ignored, or disliked, by most people. I really love the IP and managed to have fun with all these.

>>11886536 (OP)
I like Mario Kart Double Dash a lot. Still play it to this day

>>11893793
The gamecube was peak of Nintendo, I don't know why there's threads here every single day trying to convince people otherwise

>>11893802
Anons bait by saying good thing = bad

>>11893802
Gamecube was by far the most unique. Even the games that didn't work all that well still have a strong identity or did something novel that future titles still can't match. Very interesting console all things considered.

>>11886542
>they 100% succeeded
You’re 100% retarded. The fact that there hasn’t been a sequel means Nintendo saw it as a failure if anything, which it objectively is. The level design is easily the worst of the 3d Mario’s and has half the amount 64 had. Yeah let’s make a platformer and make most of the levels flat and uninteresting while padding the playtime with blue coins, such genius.

>>11894025
Super mario 64 2 when?

>>11893894
I am happy that it was my first console. N64 boomers can suck my nuts

>>11894085
This. Games that succeeded on N64 were good in spite of the console, not because of it. They dropped the ball hard. If Sega wasn't so retarded this was their moment to steal the spotlight. But they fucked up and now we have to listen to boomers talk about sm64 and OoT forever

>>11886536 (OP)
Mario looks like a fucking badass on this cover.

>>11894091
>talk about sm64 and OoT forever
You must be the aforementioned boomer.

I preferred Luigi’s mansion

for once, OP isn't gay

>>11894507
Fuck yea he does

>>11893802
I agree with you. The GameCube isnt even my favorite of that generation I preferred the Xbox, but the GameCube was a great console for its time. If you had a n64 and then moved up to the GameCube seeing starwars rogue squadron on the cube was like being in the future. It has better graphics than the starwars trilogy arcade game. IYKYK. the opening cinematic of melee was crazy. I rewatched that multiple times. Luigi’s mansion was super impressive and felt like an enormous leap forward from Mario 64 and felt like an entire game inspired by the haunted house level of that game and playing as Luigi felt even more futuristic and like an experience you never would have gotten “ in the past”. Metroid prime looked amazing and was a totally out of left field experience. Essentially anything felt possible right out of the gates with the GameCube. I am most nostalgic for the n64 as it was my first console but the GameCube is nintendos most ambitious console by far. The Wii was such an enormous letdown follow-up I abandoned Nintendo and never looked back. You needed to grow up with a n64 and then get the GameCube and launch to fully appreciate how impressive it was when it launched.

>>11894507
This was the era Miyamoto was trying to make Mario more hardcore to appeal to older people since he felt Nintendo was making him too "kiddy". He talks about it in an interview. It's why Mario also stopped doing the peace / v for victory sign during this era.

>>11895716
Pretty accurate breakdown.

>>11895749
Same bro.

>>11890991
>What do you mean they're telling me to take a break finding blue coins >:(
Dumb speedtranner

>>11895951
Nobody hates the game, they hate the poor yorkshirian attempt to mimic 90s japanimation on the 3D designs, which is a shame.

>>11897568
sitting through nearly an hour worth of pop-ups to own the libs

>>11897576
That's the best part about it, the aesthetics. What actually sucks are the controls. Rare games on 64 always had smooth controls and usually gave you ample remapping options but they flubbed this one hard. There was no preset that wasn't cancer and you couldn't turn off the inverted aim. I'd say the tribal hunt is what most people hate about it but I never made it that far because the controls filtered me long beforehand.

>>11886536 (OP)
if you're not trying to 100% it it's a fine game.
I remember replaying the levels over and over again and shit.
It's only autists who have to get EVERY shine sprite who have a meltie over it.