This is a Mister thread. What does it do well? What can’t it still do? Do you like your Mister? Do you feel it was worth the purchase?

>>11887630 (OP)
>mister
It's ma'am!

>>11887630 (OP)

>Saturn, n64, PS1
>not as many arcades as mame. UI still rough (and text)
>fuck yes
>now its $180 fuck yes. Glad I waited and didnt sink 400-600 earlier.

>>11887729
>180 dollarydoos
????

i already have the superior version

>>11887729
It’s 180 for yours? Does it come ready to play w cores for all the systems up to ps1/n64 or is it enough to do Dreamcast?

>>11887776
As in does it come set up ready to play all those systems or are their extra steps or would normies have trouble setting it up? Asking for a friend lol

>mister ecosystem requires paying turd worlders patreon money every month to get all the games
>cores without patreon dollars see nonexistent progress
>any less common system is neglected, but n64 and mario? wahoo!!!
yawn, sold mine years ago, already had flash carts that are 100% accurate 10 years ago that are cheaper

>>11887786
Damn that’s not very encouraging. I thought this board loved the mister. Was not expecting these responses. Good to know

>>11887786
You do know that you can very easily pirate the Patreon key?

>>11887729
Does it come w those cores and everything you need to just plug and play or do you have to do some setting up and could a normie do it if u need to w a simple YouTube video? Again asking for a friend and not myself …. :)

>>11887775
Damn, the Wii is pretty cheap and super easy to hack but can it do Saturn games?

>>11887630 (OP)
>What does it do well?
Nearly every system up to 5th gen, including computers, and hundreds of arcades from those eras as well
Boot instantly
Output to analog sources
Use original controllers/accessories
Take up little space


>What can’t it still do?
N64 is not perfect and likely never will be, but it's very close
Saturn is still WIP but extremely far along
Jaguar and CD-I are still WIP
3DO is being worked on but doesn't have a public test core yet
CPS3 is still in the early stages
Really shitty systems that nobody seems to care to try to make a core for like Virtual Boy or Game.com
AO486 core does not support CD audio
It can try to emulate a MT-32 in software but the CPU is too weak, which is why most just use a MT-32 Pi accessory for MT-32 instead
Anything past 5th gen like Dreamcast (With the exception of GBA)


>Do you like your Mister?
Yes

>Do you feel it was worth the purchase?
Yes, especially with Taki's $120-190 pricepoints

>>11887776
>Does it come ready to play w cores for all the systems up to ps1/n64
The Taki versions? Yes, though it's braindead easy to setup the software yourself. And I would still heavily recommend installing the update_all script which the Taki version (and no standard install) comes with. You will need to supply any non-arcade games on your own.
>is it enough to do Dreamcast?
Not even close, it can barely handle 99% of a N64 and that's considered pushing it past it's limits

>>11887778
>or are their extra steps or would normies have trouble setting it up?
After assembling it like legos, you use any of dozens of programs to write the image to a MicroSD card, then just plug that card into your MiSTer and wait for it to auto-setup, then configure your WiFi if you aren't going to use Ethernet. Manually installing the update_all script is also recommended, it downloads more than the standard update script, including auto-downloading all arcade games. After that just put your roms/isos on it.

>>11887953
Just so you know, those are Jotego cores, and only the ones in beta require you to pay, they become free once they are out of beta. It usually takes a few months.

https://github.com/jotego/jtbin/wiki/

These are the Jotego cores, any core that has a blank entry in the "Public release" field is not free... yet. All the ones that do were released for free on that date.

Also that "any less common system is neglected" is BS, this thing has cores for some really obscure systems.

>>11887991
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/mr-fusion
That's Mr. Fusion
You download the image file
Write it to a MicroSD card using something like Rufus or Etcher or any number of programs that can write an image to a SD card
Then plug it into your MiSTer and wait
Optionally (but recommended) you install the update_all script
https://github.com/theypsilon/Update_All_MiSTer
You will need to either connect it to Ethernet or configure your WiFi first before running an update script

>>11887991
Forgot to mention in >>11888005 you only need to do all that if yours didn't already come pre-setup, though you would likely still need to install update_all on your own. It's usually not included in pre-setup MiSTers or in the Mr. Fusion image because it can download the arcade games for you.

>>11888005
Most of the old PC system cores have atrocious support or are borderline nonfunctional like PC-98

Mister is only good for popular systems with well established support already, oh and largely wank arcade games

>>11888014
Damn thanks for the info. Seems like you could order one pretty much normie proof. I would never purchase one tho until they get the 64 stuff up I simply have that and the older systems already but not a bad deal.

>>11888019
X68000 is the only one I had trouble with

>>11888021
>I would never purchase one tho until they get the 64 stuff up
What stuff exactly? The N64 core came out a while ago

>>11888024
Thought the x68k core got significant improvements lately. Minus the scsi firmware bullshit, cause autismos would rather hoard outdated hardware no one gives a fuck about, than just publicly dump the shit for others to use and modify.

>>11887997
>Jaguar and CD-I are still WIP
CD-i core is out. It fully emulates a stock CD-i player, it is still missing MPEG-1 decoder cartridge which was an optional upgrade.

>>11888190
I thought the CD-I core was still unfinished?

>>11887953
>I thought this board loved the mister.
This board is usually overtaken by sleeper agents who get activated whenever a MiSTer thread appears. For some reason they are very concerned with how other people spend their money and their only argument regarding buying a MiSTer (emphasis on "buying", they aren't interested at all in discussing actually using a MiSTer) is that they are satisfied with emulation on their personal computers, which they have somehow miraculously obtained completely free of charge.

>>11888194
It is released on repository.
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/CDi_MiSTer
As said, it is missing one major chunk of optional CD-i hardware which is not used by most software.

>>11887630 (OP)
is this compatible with ps2 weird experimental controllers?

>>11888197
Don't forget them also insisting that it costs $600+, bringing up misteraddons, and doing that thing>thing copypasta for literal years.

>>11888201
I see, I thought it was still WIP. Was using it the other day and was surprised every game I tried worked, I thought it was still very unfinished.

>>11888207
It doesn't support PS2, if those controllers worked on a PS1 though they should work through a SNAC adapter.

>>11887738
>>11887776

Mister Pi Turbo pack. de10 clone, Analog out, and USB board stack in one box. Just checked, its 185 now but you might need to wait for a new batch.
https://retroremake.co/products/misterpi-preorder

>>11888024

I gave up on that one, I dont have a 31hz crt monitor so it was a pain in the arse as the og hardware supported so many modes. I can play chorensha68k or Dracula on a 15hz crt fine but I generally found it not worth the hassle to get anything higher res. Its probably the only sytem that I'd prefer to emulate on pc. (plus I can just as easy play Castlevania Chronicles on ps1 as an alternative).

>>11888258
>I dont have a 31hz crt monitor so it was a pain in the arse as the og hardware supported so many modes.
I just use HDMI...

What'll people start doing when they want to get it emulating 6th gen or higher systems? Curious if that'd take the form of an add-on/expansion or a Mister 2 or summin.

>>11888282
To do anything after the N64 would require a new system, you would need a Mister 2 or some other newer much more powerful FPGA device, you can't just toss add-ons onto the MiSTer for that, the PS1 and N64 cores are already pushing limits.

And it's doubtful such a device will go past Dreamcast anytime soon. CPUs and especially GPUs increased in power and complexity exponentially around that time, you would need a significnatly more powerful FPGA that is likely well out of reasonably affordable range to handle a PS2, much less a GC or Xbox, plus that's getting to the point where it would be very difficult to implement such complicated CPUs and GPUs on a FPGA without an entire team doing it, that's a lot of work for a single person like most of these cores are.

>>11888296
You really think it will even make it to dreamcast? I thought that wasn't gonna happen. A device that emulates saturn and n64 so well is still great.

I have no idea about the mister but can it emulate MT-32/SC-55 and the like? For DOS, PC98, x68k, etc., you do have different sound emulation options?

So does the mister only emulate, or does it have PC-like features like Syncthing, or netplay, or retroachievements, etc? (I don't use the last one, but just trying to get a read what kinda features it has as compared to like, an average chinese handheld).
Obv you can't run PC games/portmaster on it, right?

>>11888313
>You really think it will even make it to dreamcast?
No? I just said there is no chance the current MiSTer will be able to do DC and you would need all new hardware that has a much more powerful FPGA than the one in the MiSTer.

>>11888314
>but can it emulate MT-32/SC-55 and the like?
Yes. but poorly. It's recommended to connect a MT-32 Pi through the SNAC port instead:
https://youtu.be/qEcxBMq7liw?t=236

There is no FPGA implementation of the MT-32 that I am aware of, so it runs on the DE-10's very weak CPU if you attempt to do it entirely on the MiSTer itself, which is why pretty much nobody uses that option and connects a MT-32 Pi (or even a real MT-32 if you have one) instead.

There was also someone working on a similar project for the SC-55, not sure how far along that is, apparently the MT-32 and SC-55 guys got into a fight.

>>11888334
>There is no FPGA implementation of the MT-32 that I am aware of
hopefully nuked sc-55 eventually gets ported to fpga

>>11888334
>sound stuff
I see, it's still pretty green but there's been some work on it. I'll keep an eye on it, if they ever get to nuked stuff, I'm buying one of those things.

>>11888329
>So does the mister only emulate, or does it have PC-like features like Syncthing, or netplay, or retroachievements, etc?
It's a FPGA-based emulator, it's meant to try to be as accurate as possible by using a FPGA instead of a CPU to electronically replicate the console hardware rather than just emulating it in software. This does have the drawback of making it difficult to near impossible depending on the feature to implement some additional enhancements emulators have since it's intention is not for enhancement but accuracy, but depending on the core some of them can do things like run faster, savestate, remove sprite limits, etc. Doing it this way adds no additional lag, allows it to natively output analog video signals, and with SNAC adapters connect to original accessories/controllers the systems used without additional lag (The SNAC port physically connects to pins on the FPGA and basically acts like an actual wired connection from the controller to the replicated system in the FPGA as if it was a real physical system).

>Obv you can't run PC games/portmaster on it, right?
It does have PC cores, but you aren't going to be emulating an RTX 5090 on it. The IBM PC core tops out at a 90MHZ 486 with no FPU. The DE-10 Nano board it uses does have an ARM cpu on it that the OS and GUI/backend runs on, but it's very weak. People have just for the hell of it tried running Retroarch on it, but it's not a great experience. It's not meant for software emulation. I suppose if someone made an ARM build of one of those decomps that does not require 3D acceleration you could, but it would be rather pointless.

The purpose of a MiSTer is very different from something like a Pi-based software emulation box.

>>11888345
So how accurate is the emulation with these things? Sounds a bit pointless if it still ends up falling short.

>>11888507
Pretty up there for the majority of it's cores, it was because of MiSTer that we found out that MAME's CPS1 emulation was extremely of for example, and it's not the first time core development resulted in finding inaccuracies in MAME.

>>11888528
The inaccuracy wasn't found, it was well known that MAME's DMA timings were not right for CPS1. That's was why Jotego requested test code to be written so he could get improve things in that area.

>>11888026
Yea but anon above you said it struggled w 99 percent of n64 games. That doesn’t sound good.

>>11888814
That's not what that anon meant. The N64 core is basically perfect. There's even an overclocked variant of it, so you can simulate what an N64 Pro would've been like.

>>11888889
“ N64 is not perfect and likely never will be, but it's very close”

That’s why I was referring to.

>>11888889
I'm curious too. How good is the n64 and saturn cores? I don't care about autistic accuracy just how well most games play. I just want mister to simplify my CRT setup.

>>11887630 (OP)
it's a step up from arm emulation but still a whole staircase down from using the real arch

>>11888910
Saturn is still technically WIP I believe, as for N64 it's pretty much just going to have very small edge cases inaccuracies, such as the demo in DK64 being slightly off.

>>11888919
Saturn is pretty much done. People always find new edge cases with graphics which get fixed, but the majority of the library is playable without issues.

>>11888903
It runs almost every retail game exactly as you'd expect with no emulation performance hitches or anything like that. The 1% of inaccuracies are things like Knife Edge Nose Gunner running too fast (which is also the case with every other N64 emulator).
>>11888910
The Saturn core is near perfect. I just played through Shining Force III Scenario 1 with zero issues. Almost everything in pic related I've played through as well with no problems, and some of them were months ago on older builds of the core. The outlier in the pic is Grandia, which had some graphical flickering back in 2024 that seems to be fixed now.

>>11888939
I'm under an impression that some people only want to play Radiant Silvergun, since that game constantly gets new bug reports, while other games get no activity on bug tracker. Grandia also pops up from time to time.

>>11888939
>The 1% of inaccuracies are things like Knife Edge Nose Gunner running too fast (which is also the case with every other N64 emulator).
Actually that game runs fine in MiSTer now
And saying it runs "too fast" is an understatement, that issue happens in pretty much every software N64 emulator and it runs unplayably fast at more than double speed, it's not just a little bit faster than normal or something, the game is basically in fast forward mode.

I haven't been through the Saturn core that heavily, but I was having some graphical issues on the loading screens in Princess Crown, that was several months ago though, didn't check if it's been fixed.

>>11888952
Is the attract mode in DK64 still out of sync and DK falls into water while jumping from vines?

>>11888949
I reported Battle Arena Tonshinden URA having broken health bars and it got fixed within 48 hours.

>>11888939
Okay so it’s all minor shit w the exception of that one game. Word. If I didn’t have a pc that could emulate everything a mister can and didn’t have pretty much a flash cart for all the major systems from nes-n64 I could see the appeal. But if you have a pc that can emulate all that there probably isn’t a point then?

>>11888949
Looking at the github page it's still listed as "WIP/Beta" and on the first page of open issues I only see one mention of Raidant Silvergun, which is specifically the ST-V version.

Also don't forget that the Saturn core has a dual-ram version which has higher compatibility, so some people might be experiencing issues on single-ram that are not present on dual-ram.

>>11888953
That's what I was talking about, yes. I haven't been able to get that attract mode to play properly in anything that wasn't the original hardware no matter on the MiSTer or what software emulator I tried.

>>11888962
>But if you have a pc that can emulate all that there probably isn’t a point then?
Again, it's an accuracy thing. A FPGA core can be more accurate than a software emulator, does not add any latency, is electronically compatible with the original accessories through SNAC adapters (Not all USB adapters for PCs work with non-standard controllers, and they also add latancy) and can natively connect to analog displays. Basically, it's for people who want the closest you can get to real hardware while also having that hardware loaded with mods like HDMI, a flashcart/ode, wireless, and depending on the core other features like faster loading, overclocking, or savestates.

Software emulators work entirely differently, for most people they are likely good enough, especially if you want enhancements beyond what the original hardware was capable of like HD texture packs and rendering internally at 4K or something.

This is a good video about the differences:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMMiBEhnizE

>>11888990
Word, I’ll take a look at it.

I got it like three years ago for a lot more than they go for now and it’s still one of my favorite purchases. If you have a crt and like arcade games - just get it.

I stupidly sold a lot of my consoles during a minimalism phase so this saved me from having to buy it all back. If you get this, a modded PS2, and a DC with an ODE you’ll have a lifetime supply of retro games.

>>11887630 (OP)
No sir, the Mister just sucks. So I never bought it.

>>11888953
Yes, alongside the following which also have timing issues eg cutscene desyncs or gameplay being at the wrong speed. All games that use TLB also have more slowdown than real hardware, including Perfect Dark, Mario Tennis and Goldeneye. Then there are unresolved graphic issues and other core inaccuracies.

Banjo-Tooie
Batman Beyond
Beetle Adventure Racing
Resident Evil 2
Blues Brothers
Daffy Duck Starrirng as Duck Dodgers
Dance Dance Revolution
F1 Racing Championship
Fox Sports College Hoops
Iggy's Reckin' Balls
Killer Instinct Gold
Ocarina of Time
Majoras Mask
Mario Tennis
Rayman 2
Tonic Trouble
WCW Mayhem
WWF No Mercy

It's not close to perfect, even if it's still a good core considering the hardware. But there are still plenty of things that better hardware could improve.

>>11889893
Yea so it’s not 99% good to go then like other anons claimed. Seems like the mister isn’t a good option for n64. Is the Saturn core better or does it have a bunch of issues too?

>>11890291
>Seems like the mister isn’t a good option for n64.
It's still better than software emulation and the number of speed issues that impact game play is tiny. Most of that list are things like a menu screen being too fast or a character select screen not being quite right. I would have never noticed any of it if the testing list didn't exist. The turbo core will smooth out any games where the TLB is an issue too. It is a good option for N64, even if it isn't perfect, which it was never going to be given the DE-10's bottlenecks..

Saturn is fantastic, but get a dual ram setup so the ram-h timings are correct. It doesn't rely on any of Mednafen's per game hacks or VDP1+2 workarounds and has used a ton of new real hardware tests to move the accuracy and knowledge of the console forward which in time software emulators will benefit from too. It has a few minor graphic issues and a couple of cd seek timing issues but the dev is so on top of things that it won't be long before they are fixed.

>>11888910
Fuck all these retard naysayers. I've been using the N64 cores for a few months and it is vastly superior to most software emulators out there. Even the good software emulators require a retarded amounts of configuring as well as overall hardware specs which is retarded to play fucking N64 games.

Get a MisterPi triple stack with the VGA hat adapter that comes with it on the top. Get a yellow to yellow video cable, and get an audio jack to red and white cable.

Plug all those bitches into a CRT TV, tweak the settings in the INI file to handle CRTs, and you're golden.

I also bought a SNAC adapter for the N64 from a dude on Etsy and it has worked flawlessly and supports up to 4 controller inputs for actual N64 controllers.

It's a no brainer. Plus the ability to speed up games like Perfect Dark is a godsend because the framerate is dogshit on real hardware.

This is coming from a guy who doesn't care for actual hardware frameloss for games like Banjo Tooie, it's a fucking slideshow for Perfect Dark in some parts of that game.

Have fun Anon.

>>11889008
This this this. I also have a modded PS2 with Psx-Pi with a Raspberry Pi 3B+ since the PS2 is a slim model and it runs great.

I want to switch to using RetroNAS for that kind of thing with a Pi 4 later but it's perfect for what I currently use it for.

Agreed about the DC. Friend of mine has his Dreamcast with a CD drive mod to just load from an SD card and it's awesome.

>>11890291
Like >>11890427 said, just about all of these are very minor, half of them just slightly effect the events in the attract mode/demo that auto-plays if you leave the game on the title screen. (DK missing the vine is a common one).

It's about as close as you can get outside of getting a flashcart, HDMI, RGB, USB, and Bluetooth mod for a real N64. It's not as if any software emulator does any better as far as I am aware. I actually just tried Donkey Kong 64 in the latest version of several N64 emulators, including some that are supposed to concentrate on accuracy such as Gopher64, Simple64, parallel-launcher, RMG, ares, and Bizhawk. In every single one DK also missed the vine. I also tried Knife Gunner and in every single one the game ran too fast (except for gopher where the screen was blank) while it runs fine on MiSTer (though from what I understand the core patches the game in memory as you run it)

The overclocked version of the core even fixes a few of those issues (though not DK's attract mode).

Saturn core is pretty similar in that you aren't going to get a better experience outside of real hardware with a slew of modifications.

>>11890427
>Saturn is fantastic, but get a dual ram setup so the ram-h timings are correct.
Problem is dual-RAM means sacrificing analog. Yeah there is a way to do it over the HDMI port but that requires converters and you then lose HDMI while using it. I just use HDMI mostly so it's not an issue for me but there is a reason a standard setup comes with the technically optional Analog I/O board. On top of that while the Saturn core supports dualRAM very few cores do, so it's sacrificing analog to just get a slight benefit to a very tiny handful of cores. The only ones I know of anymore are Saturn and Jaguar, both of which are technically unfinished. IIRC the PSX and N64 cores used to have it as an option but then it was no longer needed, I am not sure if the latest version of the PSX core even has a dual-ram option anymore.

>>11887738
Too much

>>11887775
wow the fucking delusion