Why they didn't just do the top pic in 3d? No fucking around for rupees and a forced first dungeon before exploring, no stupid fucking around as a deku scrub, no stupid metal gear segment and definitely not whatever the fuck they did with TP.

Why are 3d zeldas such a chore?

Just give me the fucking sword and let me explore.

>>11889057 (OP)
Because that would suck shit and no one wants to work on something so boring and lifeless beyond what they had to.

>>11889059
Jumping straight to the action would be more fun and would give devs more time to work on something actually fun instead boring npc dialogue and gimmick shit you won't see for the rest of the game

>>11889057 (OP)
>Why they didn't just do the top pic in 3d?
They did, but it's not retro.

>>11889063
That's a good game but it doesn't really feels like a 3d zelda anymore

>>11889057 (OP)
Stick with arcade games, autist

>>11889057 (OP)
>Why are 3d zeldas such a chore?
if you find video games to be a chore you need to look inwards.

>>11889074
Z1, Z2, LA, OoA/OoS are not arcade games

>>11889079
OK, go play desert bus

>>11889057 (OP)
Aonuma hates Zelda 1 and has said he never wanted to make a game like it. Octoroks killed him so he gave up playing it and he considers it the hardest game ever made.

because people actually want the stories and cinematic stuff in games now.
Not that I'm saying a game that just throws you into a world and says "go" wouldn't be kind of refreshing at this point.
The closest to that is what? Metroid Prime?

>>11889057 (OP)
Because Zelda 1 takes place in post-apocalyptia, whereas Twilight Princess takes place at the peak of Hyrulean civilization.

>>11889084
Uh, you not been following action rpgs the last decade I take it.

>>11889085
>Zelda 1 takes place in post-apocalyptia
no

>>11889084
>throws you into a world and says "go" wouldn't be kind of refreshing at this point.
>The closest to that is what? Metroid Prime?
Never played TES?

>>11889083
>Aonuma

>>11889091
The most recent TES game is nearly 15 years old, anon.

There is honestly something quite fascinating about how Mario 64 just lets you do whatever you want. And that's the first N64 game.

>>11889084
People literally lose their shit over dark souls which is no story the game and all the elders scrolls game and mine craft

Literally no one likes slow starts even people that like those games always complain about replaying the beginning

>>11889093
Old Band came out just a few years ago and got a DLC recently I think.

>>11889096
It took a while before Kojima would invent the Camera and ruin gaming as we know it

>>11889087
Even knew Zelda insists a little too hard on how hands off and classic inspired it supposedly is. You're still constantly talking to NPCs, and getting cutscenes.

>>11889091
The "go to the town and talk to every motherfucker in the town for three hours" series?

>>11889107
I finished the three big ones and never did that

>>11889057 (OP)
>Just give me the fucking sword and let me explore.
Check out Shadow of the Colossus, it's what 3D Zelda should have been.

>>11889097
People want and expect fun jaunty characters and structured sequences in Zelda at this point. You really can't *just* do Zelda 1 again.
A game where you just wander around a world, and there's like three lines of dialogue in the whole thing, is pretentious art game territory at this point.

>>11889117
>A game where you just wander around a world, and there's like three lines of dialogue in the whole thing, is pretentious art game territory at this point.
Dark Souls

>>11889120
Actually play Dark Souls. It has so much dialogue, and so many characters.

>>11889117
It's literally been done and people love it

>>11889124
Yeah, I said. Metroid Prime.
But Zelda brings with it expectations of a populated world, and more of a structured adventure, since ALTTP. We're never going back to Zelda 1.

>>11889116
>only like 11 enemies which are all bosses and nothing else.
That doesn't sound like fun

>>11889123
I did, it has a cutscene at the start and a starting dungeon but it doesn't has much dialogue or anything like a story

>>11889131
You're supposed to talk to the people you meet, not kill them.

>>11889084
Not really look at switch zeldas

>>11889135
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzNek4MfK5M
Actually play games.

>>11889105
>>11889084
Just play a fucking Dark Souls game already, jfc the retards on this board

>>11889057 (OP)
Play a Fromsoft game

>>11889057 (OP)
okay but what's wrong with having a slow opening? apart from the forced tutorials which were an unfortunate side effect of that era for like 15 years for nintendo games admittedly. it's comfy and lets you get to know the world just as well as zelda 1's, albeit in a different way granted. in tp's case they even let you skip all the cutscenes if you're really that bothered by it.

that said, the slingshot in particular does bother me. you get just to shoot a couple spiders off ladders/vines then you get the wind boomerang which does that but better then you get the bow which is better in every way. i think the only reason it's even in the game is because of the wii port, they wanted to show off you how to aim with the wiimote before it became more important. if that's the case, then they did this way better in skyward sword imo because it's not part of the intro and the slingshot is useful all game.

>>11889141
I've played the entire series. It's not what you're asking for.

>>11889123
>Actually play Dark Souls. It has so much dialogue, and so many characters.
Not in my opinion. Half of them are merchants, probably.

>>11889145
It's literally what the dumbass wants. You just jump in and play. You can ignore 95% of the dialogue or story.

In Zelda 1, there is a randomly dropped powerup that basically says "you win this room for free lol". Strangely, this item never returned in any other Zelda game.

>>11889151
I strongly recall you have to have a conversation with a guy, who hands you the estus flask, just to name one.

>>11889156
You can literally just walk away from him or even just kill him. You're such a fucking disingenuous faggot, I swear to God. By your logic getting the sword with the old guy talking to you is forced dialogue

>>11889156
If that's too much dialogue for you, you can just kill him instead

>>11889154
It's based

>>11889158
Zelda 1 quite literally "just goes", and has about two lines of dialogue in the entire game.
Dark Souls: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQabOtbIIvg

>>11889117
>You really can't *just* do Zelda 1 again.

They're a rich company with loads of talent, they can do whatever they want. All it would take to prevent it from hurting the company's or the IP's reputation is the right marketing. Just don't market it to people who would hate it and there's no problem except possibly a loss of money, which would be modest if they developed it sensibly with a focus on mechanics over grand theatrics. The Binding of Isaac, a cheaply developed mechanics-focused game heavily inspired by Zelda 1, has sold like ten million copies. Do you really think Nintendo couldn't have made that as an actual Zelda game, with Zelda elements in place of Christian family trauma and scatology, and generated a substantial profit in the process, if they had only had the idea and the drive and Edmund McMillen had not? Or what if they mimicked the "soulslike" formula or whatever and made a dark, gritty, challenging Zelda game for adults - do you really think that wouldn't do well, as long as they did a good job on it and took care to avoid making casual players or little kids think it was meant for them? Or what about just... an explicit throwback, like Mega Man 10. It can easily be spun positively. These are not highly risky ideas.

>>11889162
>Optional dialogue you can ignore
You're just a lying asshole.

>>11889168
If you want to play the game wrong, you can skip all the dialogue, I guess.

>>11889154
It returns in Zelda Musou.

>make zelda, but roguelite twinstick shooter!
>make zelda, but dark souls clone!
if you want the game to have nothing to do with zelda why does it have to be zelda? If youre hounding for a pure exploration experience with no story then play one, if story doesnt matter then why does the sprite on your screen have to be a green elf boy?

>>11889057 (OP)
>another thinly veiled Barf of the Wanker topic

>>11889057 (OP)
They did that and turns out it's shit, so shit they had to rip a page from Ubishit to keep zoomers from dropping it instantly.
Keep 2D Zelda 2D and keep 3D Zelda 3D.

>>11889154
>Strangely, this item never returned in any other Zelda game.
Next Slopda game will have a full scope of time-altering mechanics along with the environment.
You'll be the hero who has to play God to defeat Ganondorf, who is the satanic Demiurge playing at the moon.

>>11889437
>>make zelda, but roguelite twinstick shooter!
I heard this but for Metroid.

I remember back then people shat on Prime so hard, some pundits came in insisting 3D Metroid should have been closer railshooter like Sin & Punishment even though that game just defeats the whole ethos of Metroid gameplay.

>>11889437
Let the guy be unhappy and complain about a vague imaginary happiness he can never reach

>>11889070
I felt more of the Zelda 1 experience from playing stuff like Conan Exiles and Minecraft, than i did playing the recent modern zeldas, with the exception of the one where you actually play as zelda and is top down.

>>11889123
Why cant zelda do that without an obnoxious tutorial section and railroading?

>>11891007
Other M is what I want for a 3D Metroid, if it was not linear and retarded. 3rd person claustrophobic exploring with an fps mode for precision shooting like what OoT did. It's what i imagined Metroid 64 would have been like.

>>11889057 (OP)
That's BOTW, you're dropped in the world and can go wherever. No forced stuff

>>11891032
It has a whole tutorial section you have to do, and an even bigger, more obnoxious one in its sequel.

>>11889091
That's not Skyrim or Obilvion, right? Don't they have a some crumbs to nudge the player in the direction for story completion?

>>11891025
Because the railroading is a feature of Zelda, not a flaw.

>>11891007
If anything, the only problem I have with Prime is it's a little too on-rails. There should have been more of that game where you just get lost, and have to deal with it.

>>11891046
All of the 3 3d elder scrolls games let you go wherever you want once you pass the tutorial, which is like 5 minutes on morrowind but half hour I'm both Oblivion and Skyrim

All of them just say "hey if you want to follow the main quest go to this town" but you can completely ignore it

>>11889057 (OP)
You got filtered by collecting the first sword in The Legend of Zelda?

>>11891514
Never mind. Learn how to communicate your ideas better, OP.

>>11891518
i think you might have to learn to read before making a post, instead..

>>11891530
No, learn how to write better. Why wouldn't you always be learning how to write better? You're not some kind of retard are you?

>>11891541
do you think i'm op? are your reading skills that shitty? damn son i feel bad for you

>>11891514
OP is just a retard with double standards.

>>11891086
Turn off the hints, dummy. Prime is not even close to being "on-rails".

Bro, you got romhacks keeping and resurrecting classic games alive, you got arcade games still out in select locations, you have indie games galore that try to be to the point most of the time when they aren't sucking their stories off. If you're that upset that games eventually grew something called a "narrative" and aren't just straight to the point gamey action, then you need to prioritize exactly what you are wanting and trying to play.

And if I see another damnable philistine quote John Carmack, your ass is being mounted upon my wall.

>>11889093
>lived long enough to see Skyrim become retro but not allowed per board rules
wild

>>11889129
>Metroid Prime.
Not even close, that game is so regimented to the point of being both a boring slog.

>>11889143
as far as I can tell, the only actual problem comes from explaining what players already know. each Zelda game had an opening section to teach fundamentals, that fans of the series had already picked up on in previous entries. it's largely responsible for the Zelda cycle, as Nintendo got better and better at teaching new players fans got more and more sick of the streamlining and casualization.

>>11889156
I know from today, that Zelda 1 has unskippable dialogue periodically from the oldman, it's not just a one off thing in the beginning.

>>11892136
>>11891007
Metroid became poor no matter which way you look at it. At best it's a sci-fi 3D Zelda in first person.

>>11891030
that game gets a lot of flak, it wasn't quite nearly as bad as I heart it was. you're right if it were more open ended we'd be looking at something more appreciable

>>11891039
Great plateau is a tutorial like child link is a tutorial. goofy ass

>>11891541
>Why wouldn't you always be learning how to write better?
painfully ironic

lttp is the only zelda game worth playing. links awakening has better music though

>>11892253
LTTP isn't even in the top 5 Zelda games ranked objectively. You just think this because it was the first zelda game you beat.

just play Daggerfall.

>>11889154
doesn't the invincibility powerup in the GB (GBC?) ones last for the current screen?

>>11892459
There is no invincibility power-up in Link's Awakening.

>>11891518
>>11891541
You're a retard and should stop posting.

>>11892521
You get those Guardian Acorns, but they only halve the damage for three hits or until you switch maps.

>>11892253
LA is better than AlttP in every way

>>11892243
>moving the goal posts

>>11891030
You want either a 3D beat em up with universal qte like DMC4 or a third person platformer like Mario 64.
Other M is neither of these things together unfortunately.

>>11892246
>that game gets a lot of flak,
Deservingly so
What they made afterwards was just as shit as Other M

>>11891020
Nintendo is trying so much to be like Minecraft/Gmod, it's not even funny.
The playtester game they been doing is basically their own clone of Roblox.

>>11892754
Yeah, at this point Aonuma is just ripping off successful games to sell units. If he had to stand on his own two feet he'd drown for sure.

>>11892595
Agreed. LTTP is fine I guess but it's probably the Zelda I least think about among the big pre SS ones. I even have more of a fondness for the Capcom games.

>>11889057 (OP)
have I got the game for you.

>>11892614
>goal posts
what the fuck are you talking about, retard

>>11892731

>>11889084
>because people actually want the stories and cinematic stuff in games now.
No, I dont.

>>11889059
>Because that would suck shit
A certain 3D Zelda game dispels this

>>11889130
Ocarina's combat isn't fun anyway. It's about exploration and puzzles dude

>>11892525
Triggered Shitpost

>>11893597
I do. It's great when done well. The idea that a game would always have amazing gameplay if it had no story is so laughable when there's metric shit tons of crap from older gens

>>11893648
You don't have fun swinging your sword, dodging around and popping keese out of the sky? What's wrong with you? PTSD or something?

>>11889063
>>11893054
tbf breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom both has a mandatory tutorial in an area that you can't escape from. Still better than most zelda games in that regard.

>>11892457
>completely different type of game
>also has an unskippable tutorial
>linear story progression
I am convinced that half of morrowind's fanbase are just ai

>>11894213
>Brings up Morrowind out of nowhere
??? Daggerfall isn't Morrowind.

>>11894216
i haven't slept in a while and meant daggerfall but you know what I mean. point still stands. This would be like saying someone should play Baldur's Gate because they complain about Skyrim's quest system.

>>11889057 (OP)
it's a young industry and developers are still trying to figure out what works and what doesn't
more complicated than that, players are still trying to figure out what they like and what they don't
no one knows. and there are a million possibilities
the highly polished, cinematic, hand-holding zelda tp was the style at the time
the game we can't mention on /vr/ is closer to what you'r asking for
ironically, by following modern open world slop trends
it is also closer to my preference, but we can still go further
I don't think nintendo will, though

>>11894203
It's funny watching speedruns of these games because the tutorial areas are 90% of the run time kek

>>11894203
ToTK intro tutorial is basically just the game itself in portioned off. It starts you with the sword... then downgrades you to wooden sticks to build up back to sword... The tutorial zone is done pretty well in ToTK, the problem is... the rest of the game is barely different... The four dungeons were okay. But they really really have no idea what they're doing with weapon balance, combat, economy, path diversity, interesting mechanics etc... they just made a bare bones tech engine and just slapped some zelda on it.
It's on the right path, but Nintendo doesn't know how to make good games, haven't for a long long time. I almost wish they actually tried playing the game before releasing it for once.The concept is good the implementation was kind of crap. They need to have like more confidence in their execution and just go all in with that shit. The game felt like it wanted to be Zelda 1 re-imagined so much and came up short.

>>11894524
Also it shows just how much they don't fucking care that they give a shit about patching dupe glitches but never bothered to fix the master sword damage not even working properly. Stopping people from poor grind was more important than one of the most important weapons in the game being shitter from broken code.