What would your ideal Smash 64 roster look like?

Or more interesting, if Sakurai had the resources to expand Smash 64's roster, what characters do you think he should've picked? With no previous entries or expectations to draw from, and a much more shallow pool of Nintendo titles to draw from, it could've been a great time for obscure characters or side characters

i'm certain he would have picked dark samus and lucas from mother 3

A school girl with a moveset referencing famicom text games would've been really fun. Also Marth is one of the biggest omissions in 64

>>11889228 (OP)
Mario, Luigi, DK, Link, Kirby, Samus, Yoshi, Pikachu, Ness, Capitan Falcon, Fox, Remove the wate of a slot that is Jigglypuff

Top priority: Marth
Mid priority: Bowser, Pit, Charizard, Meta Knight, Kind Dedede
Low priority: Peach, Blastoise

>>11889228 (OP)
Assuming I'm limited to Nintendo characters at the time and first-party only:
>Bowser, Ganondorf, and King Dedede for villain reps
>Peach and Zelda (the latter without Sheik since OoT is still fresh enough to be spoiled) for more girls
>Pit, Marth, and Little Mac for (at the time) deep cuts

>>11889228 (OP)
From Smash Remix's roster

>Keep
King Dedede
Wario
Peach
Bowser
Mewtwo
Marth
Banjo Kazooie

>Borderline I guess
Sheik
Conker

>Not bad but I'd prefer to trim the third parties
Marina
Sonic
Goemon

>Ehhhh pick one
Falco
Wolf

>Cut
Dr. Mario
Young Link
Crash

>STOP MAKING HIM A FUCKING CAPTAIN FALCON CLONE I'M SICK OF FALCONDORF
Ganondorf

I'd lean towards 7 cuts. Characters I'd consider would be;
Duck Hunt Dog, Mach Rider, Diddy Kong, King K. Rool, Dixie Kong, Mr. Game & Watch, Ayumi, Saki, Unicycle (Fuck Pixar), Prince of Sable, Takamaru, Pit, Toad, Meta Knight, Dark Matter, Ridley, Zelda, Charizard, Poliwhirl

>>11889247
Blastoise would be a sick choice with Charizard, but 5 Pokemon characters in Smash 64 seems overkill

>>11889228 (OP)
Assuming I'm limited to known Nintendo characters at the time and no special guests, it'd be the original 12 and:
>Bowser, Ganondorf, and King Dedede for villain reps
>Peach and Zelda (the latter without Sheik since OoT is still fresh enough to be spoiled) for more girls
>Pit, Marth, and Little Mac for (at the time) deep cuts

>>11889228 (OP)
If Smash 64 had Little Mac, Banjo, Mr. Game&Watch, Wario and Marth, i feel that would have covered every major popular IP Nintendo had at that era in time. I suppose you could also extend that to include Fulgore, R.O.B., Alice/Balloon Fighter, Mike Jones and a character from the Famicom disk system text adventures if you wanted to get a few more big franchises in. As far as more characters from the same franchise, Mewtwo, Bowser, Ganondorf, Peach, Diddy or Dixie Kong, Mallow or Geno, DeDeDe and Falco would have all been relevant options.
As far as characters just missing the release of the game, Paper Mario, Saki from Sin&Punishment, Joana Dark and a gen 2 Pokemon like Suicune, should have all been in Melee. (Arguably Krystal as well from Dinosaur Planet. Im surprised she isnt in Smash Remix considering they have Lucas in)

While i am not 100% anti 3rd party, i certainly would have been perfectly happy never seeing them added.

>>11889263
That's why I would cut Jigglypuff, just 3 pokemon Pikachu, Charizard and Blastoise

>>11889296
Fuck, i forgot to add Pit as well. Probably also cut Jiggly and add Charizard and Blastoise.

>>11889297
Oh yeah mewtwo from remix can stay too but 4 is too much, I think Blastoise makes for a better "villain" than mewtwo at least in the context of the games and ignoring the anime stuff

Like this!

>>11889228 (OP)
The current Remix roster is just about perfect for me. All its missing is Diddy, Zelda, Krool, Zard, and perhaps Ridley. If they have room maybe Joanna Dark, Saki (from Sin & Punishment), Crono, and Erdrick. They likely won't have room for all this though (doesn't it all need to fit on an N64 cartridge?).

As for a hypothetical realistic original release (without cutting content like the intro), maybe just add Bowser, Peach, Ganon (non-cloned), and Banjo. Tbqh I'm just not that interested in what it could've been since it would've inevitably excluded too many characters I like anyways.

What about stages? No one ever talks about stages, what stages would you have liked to see?

For me, something DKC2 related. Krazy Kremland would probably be the most exciting. Have King Zing make a cameo in the background too.

Would a Killer Instinct rep be a reasonable thing for a Smash 64, or would it be too divorced? It was the closest thing Nintendo had to a fighting game, and it was pretty popular and still relevant in the N64 days.

>>11889303
>at least in the context of the games
>antagonist role=villain
Are you high?

>>11889263
>>STOP MAKING HIM A FUCKING CAPTAIN FALCON CLONE I'M SICK OF FALCONDORF
Ping pong is shit and im tired pretending otherwise

>>11890112
Are you? Who's the final boss and who's some bonus pokemon you throw a master ball at?

>>11890116
Ganondorf should use his magic and weapons.

>>11890070
Conceptually, I think Fulgore would add a lot to Smash. He's a mature character (but not too explicit like Conker), he's a cool robot cyborg which there's none of in the roster (I guess there's overlap with Samus), and a fighting game rep. Also he's absolutely a Nintendo character.

The hard part is selling it in the modern day. Killer Instinct is pretty niche these days, isn't it? I'm not too big on the fighting game scene so I don't know if they still talk about retro fighting games outside of Street Fighter 2.

After reading the thread, here's what I'm feeling. There's space for 1 more character but I wasn't sure who to put there. Maybe Meta Knight?

>>11890325
wind waker/twilight princess hadn't come out yet so the only instance of ganondorf fighting at that time was him just shooting energy balls

>>11890635
>unicycle
What the fuck?

>>11890654
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ5sR5Gui6U

Nintendo eurojank game that Pixar sued them over and ultimately lead to GTA.

>>11890647
Meanwhile, the original Ganon was packing a magic trident, various fireball tricks, teleporting, and even invisibility. Surely even a lick of thought could have made him more than just Captain Falcon with a tan.

>>11889848
The Devil's Machine- at some point it releases Giygas and all hell breaks loose with chaotic random attacks you need to dodge and maybe some Eternal Darkness type sanity shenanigan effects.

Bowser's Castle from Mario RPG, complete with Exor impaled in top with its eyes following the fighters movements

The Dark Pyramid/Dark World from Link to the Past

Pro Wrestling ring

GameBoy Camera stage in the vein of Flat Zone and PictoChat stages.

The Flying Kroc from DKC2, with thorn hazards in certain sections and if not a fighter, Kaptain K.Rool taking pot shots from hatched on it.

The burned down manor/lab on Cinnabar Island. Kinda like Luigis Mansion stage with multiple floors you can break through and maybe exploding Voltorb traps inside things you break.

If they are gonna do 3rd party stuff for smash remix, a semi era appropriate stage for Sonic would be Space Colony ARK, where its entering Earth's atmosphere and Biolizard is firing off all kinds of beams. Alternatively, would be a great stage for modern smash if they ever add Shadow.

>>11890070
DKC2 literally features a KI poster in it, and Cranky refers to it by title, while also featuring cameos from Link, Yoshi and Mario. Before the Rare buyout, KI was just as much a Nintendo IP as Kirby or Pokemon. Even extended to marketing materials and their E3 booths where Fulgore was getting more of a push as a mascot character than someone like Samus.

>>11890145
Mewtwo is the final boss in both Stadium games.

>>11890373
He should be added to Smash on historical value alone. He has a better application than any 3rd party character to be in the series. The biggest hurdle for KI representation, is its lack of ever being released in Japan.(unless Gold was, idk)

>>11890635
Add Pit or Mike Jones. Or some crazy pick like Tinstar.

>>11889228 (OP)
idk i thought it was fine
just play melee if you need more characters

ill tell you the real thing they shouldve done
they shouldve made a fucking smash game with pokeymans. same game, just all pokeymans as playable characters, and they all have pokeymans-based moves
wouldve sold an unbelievable amount back then. and idk if it wouldve even cost anyone any real money to get the rights, since HAL and GF were both nintendo

the fact that smash has always been such a popular party game, and yet basically no ones ever even tried to rip it off is kinda baffling tbph. you could take any number of IPs with a large cast of characters and plop it down on smash mechanics and print money like mad. even to this day, prolly

>>11890841
I always thought Nintendo should have done smash spinoffs for all Mario, Zelda, Pokemon and maybe Fire Emblem casts. Maybe have some type of lock-on system shit where you can fight characters from one of the other games with whatever game you are playing. Could also do some fun stuff like a platformer adventure for Mario, Zelda 2 style quest for Zelda, RPG for pokemon and SRPG for FE.

I always felt Michael Anderson should have been added in the spot that went to the Captain. He could have fighting moves and also some weapons that are based on his mech, like a permanent Super Scope he can pull out.

>>11890851
Or just shrink the damn mech
They're all toys fighting each other after all.

>>11890145
>final boss=villain
Again, are you high?

I just want Spyro in Smash Remix.

>>11890325
He already does, you just want a floaty zoner, which is a retarded idea.

>>11890678
You're basically just asking for Ganon, which is fine.
I'm just straight up tired of fags saying Ganondorf should become some lightweight faggot who shoots balls, instead of upholding what made Falcondorf enjoyable despite the decisions behind it.

>>11890874
>just shrink the damn mech
Way ahead of ya

>>11890889
He should have a downward fist slam that causes a shockwave if it hits solid ground.

>>11890889
He should have a floating ability atleast.

>>11889234
They're not even considered part of the Smash Remix roster anymore. They were moved to the "bonus character" menu, where they put all of the joke characters like Dr Luigi and the Killer Piano. The only reason they haven't been outright removed is because a few people main them.

>>11890635
Needs Goku.

>>11890894
Literally his aerial side special

>>11890837
>Mike Jones
But anon, Ness is already in the game.

>>11890907
>Another literally who character
Doesn't that roster have enough?

>>11889312
This

>>11890635
CDi Link/Zelda

>>11890373
>Also he's absolutely a Nintendo character.
kek
That's like saying Ken Griffey Jr. is a Nintendo character because they published a game with him in Burgerland.

>>11891658
He'd be on the same level as Kirby and Pikachu. The only reason we think it's weird now is because Rare got to keep all their homemade IPs in the divorce.

>>11891658
Does Ken Griffey have direct references to his games in Donkey Kong? KI arguably got more of a push than other Nintendo IPs in the 90s. I forget the year, but at one of Nintendo's areas at E3, they had three big statues looming over the area, Mario, Link(I think) and Fulgore.

>>11891736
Should have had a statue of Ken Griffey, it would have certainly attracted more people.

>>11889228 (OP)
12 characters was fine for being the first game in a new fighting series that had no guarantee of success. The characters they used were appropriate and there's no way they were going to negotiate for Sega or Sony characters while Yamauchi was running things.

>>11891842
That's cool and all but OP isn't saying their should be, he's asking what your ideal one would be. Use your fucking imagination instead of saying "ummm acshually" like some fucking midwit