What was going on with Nintendo in the 6th Gen?

Left is a visceral overreaction to Banjo and Sonic Adventure. Right is blatant sabotage.

>>11891396 (OP)
>dude water lmao
>unfinished games
>I have to make it different for the sakes if it
>BUT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE SUCCESSFUL THING AGAIN
I hate spoiled devs, they killed the saturn and the GameCube

>>11891439
yeah wind waker was the gamecube's problem, not that they barely had any third party support because of all the bridges they had burned.

>>11891396 (OP)
Both of these were unironically rushed out in release because the Gamecube was not selling hot in 2002.

>>11891446
It's almost like they should have ditched Luigi's mansion and release the GameCube with SM64 2 and then follow it up with Twilight Princess

They decided to piss n64fags in particular

>>11891459
Because Mario with a water jetpack and baby Waterworld zelda was what snesfags wanted?

Adding 6th gen to /vr/ won't open the doors for /v/ shitposting, they said...

>>11891396 (OP)
They were told to test the waters first.

>>11891480
It's always these two games in particular that get the entire board into a war... or any sonic game

>>11891449
>ditched Luigi's mansion
luigi's mansion ended up being better than sunshine

>>11891396 (OP)
>2 really fun and gorgeous looking games

oh no, what were they thinking.

>>11891449
Wind Waker was a good game, but it was still rushed hence why the third dungeon was entirely scrapped.

>>11891856
Wind Waker is a good game but not the game Nintendo needed as their first Zelda for the GameCube, ideally we would got first a rushed TP to ride off the oot and edge hype and a fully baked WW much later

>>11891396 (OP)
Both those games are great, so I guess good things? Though I think overall the GameCube wasn't as good as the PS2, it's still hard for me to think of it as outright bad or even not great.

But I'm not the sort of person who has to compare every single thing and declare one shit and one good anyways.

>>11891863
I see where you're coming from and I get it. Ultimately if Nintendo wanted to sell units, they had to ride on the streak caused by OoT, which was only 3 years old by the time GC came out. Granted, while I feel WW was the proper choice, I tend to have to remember how edgy and "mature" many games had to be in order to sell well in the early-mid 2000's.
t. was 12 in 2001 and thought GTA3 was the hottest shit.

>>11891396 (OP)
Mario Sunshine feels like they just legitimately ran out of ideas, so they slapped a gimmick on the game.
It also feels like it was a product of corporate office culture where the only thing anyone looks forward to is their vacation, so they based the entire game at a vacation resort.

>>11891901
NTA but the edginess was forced top down by publishers. The CEO for Insomniac talked about it in an interview for why they killed Spyro for Ratchet and Clank. They thought if they could capture the older teenagers that they would get their younger siblings too. There wasn't anything natural about it at all.

OOT wasn't that edgy or mature IMO. It was pretty par for the course that kids adventure movies had really dark moments. The direction WW went in was just completely out of left field.

>>11891945
>NTA but the edginess was forced top down by publishers.
Because that's what was popular in society as a whole.
>There wasn't anything natural about it at all.
Except that is natural. Younger kids look up to their older siblings. I say that as a young sibling to my older brother in the 90s. Anyone with an older sibling always looked up to their older brother or wanted to do the things they were doing. I can't recall how many times I snuck into my brothers room just to play his collection of SNES/PS1 games or would show off his holographic marvel cards to friends
>OOT wasn't that edgy or mature IMO.
Never implied that. I was talking about the industry or rather just the mindset kids had. I remember buying Animal Crossing. That was a game you made damn sure not to tell anyone you played back then. Ever.

>>11891396 (OP)
They didnt have Rare to compete with in a dick measuring contest, so they became complacent.

>>11891967
You had bigger rivals like Crash, Spyro, and the new Jak and Daxter game. Also 3d platformers were everywhere in Gen 6.

>>11891945
I was conflicted even back then over the direction on Zelda. On one hand, they really had struck gold with the tone of OoT and MM for the franchise and I wish we had gotten another game like that from the same head director. TP kinda felt alright, but I dont think it really captured the same tone and was more like copying someone elses handiwork by eye. On the other hand, I do think Wind Waker and its living cartoon style, does also work, but they didnt do enough with it. Maybe it should have just been another IP entirely so that it wasnt competing against the other entries in its own franchise? I kinda wonder if it could have been rebranded as a StarTropics game where you are sailing around and discovering islands to explore.

>>11891945
>OOT wasn't that edgy or mature IMO.
yet ironically, the n64 zeldas are probably the most edgy and mature in tone for the whole franchise.
shits weaksauce

>>11891396 (OP)
they gave sakurai the keys to their soul villa and said just do it up, king

>>11891396 (OP)

The GBA and Pokemon, with everything else playing a second fiddle.

>>11891396 (OP)
New millennium, the Age of Aquarius, all the new games had to have lots of water in it.

>>11891863
Considering how shit finished TP is, I don't know if I would want it rushed

>>11892169
TP even took the ideas WW was going to use, but didn't because they "ran out of time".

I swear /vr/ has the most unoriginal/repeated threads than /v/ right now.

>>11891981
>another game like that from the same head director
You and literally everyone else. Unfortunately they took Koizumi off Zelda and put him on Mario and that left Zelda with Aonuma, who just didn't even like Zelda. They also lost a few other key people and the Zelda teams overall were not seasoned veterans anymore. You can see a lot of respect for the western influence of Zelda in OoT and MM, but once Aonuna got his hands on it, he immediately cut out all western influence that he was able to and injected as much Japanese as he could. Kind of strange, to be honest. Nintendo sent the dev team to Germany for inspiration during the development of OoT. Then they pivot hard away from that on WW. The "end of Hyrule" in WW was symbolic not just in-game, but where the series would go from there and I think it's interesting the IP almost went under because of it. Aonuma had to backpedal and basically became everyone's bitch to save the IP from getting shut down on top of Shiggy pulling strings to get TP as a launch title for the Wii. Absolute shit show. Zelda was a huge hit with the west. They really should have put someone in charge of it who would have maintained a respect for its roots in western culture and history.

>>11892697
This, what happened to this board?

Creativity and risk. It ended after that gen

>>11892746
Bots, AI, datamining, zoomers, thirdies, trannies & gays.

>>11891439
>unfinished games

Meme response.

>>11891396 (OP)
Trying to find a way to move forward when the rest of the world is trying to leave you behind.

>>11891931
Honestly, my problem with Sunshine was scaling back most of Mario's capabilities from what Smash and SM64 already established. Mario should be allowed to punch, kick, and baseball slide through his problems at all times.

>>11891967
>They didnt have Rare to carry the western appeal for them

Fixed. Even if Rare was British to its core, people still associate their games with Nintendo more.

>>11892746
Seems there was a big Snoy spillage after Xbox bought up ABK and Playstation dropped Concord. Every other post just seems to be defending Playstation's dominance from 20-30 years ago.

>>11892697
>expecting a board that has a very limited number of topics to be original

>>11891863
ideally they would have moved majora's mask to GC and use that extra year to expand it

>>11892797
Surely we can have more variety than crying over sega again and again

>>11891981
>TP kinda felt alright, but I dont think it really captured the same tone
It captured the tone I felt with them, just more fleshed out. More or less, of course those games have different things going on.

>>11892803
>how to ruin MM: the post

>>11892697
>>11892746
yeah...like, i like how strict the jannies are here they clamp down on off-topic posts like no other board, but this place has a real problem with low-effort posts that don't quite meet the requirements for being low-effort. you know what i mean
>what was it like owning an N64 in the 90s?
>how did megaman fans react when X4 came out?
sadly i don't think there's really a solution to this

>>11891441
Oh come on windwaker was superb. I have so many happy childhood memories listening to it's theme

>>11891972
>Crash, Spyro
Both dead in PS2

ngl i kinda wish we got another era of gaming focused on tropical beaches and water

>>11891396 (OP)
The execs took a mandatory company vacation together while the GameCube was in development and the tropical setting served as inspiration for Sunshine and Windwaker. Part of Japanese business culture is doing shit outside of work that nobody wants to do just to avoid saying no to your boss

>>11892972
Nah, it was the entire japanese games industry doing tropical themes from like 1997 to 2004

>>11891960
You say that but Nintendo has been bulldozing the rest of the game industry with goofy games. The top 3 most popular games today are Minecraft, Roblox and Fortnite. GTA comes in 4th but is an outlier. Stardew Valley is the highest rated game on Steam followed by Portal 2 and Terraria. It is so easily provably false, yet everyone seems to be convinced people want serious mature games. Even if it means getting their studio shut down, which is happening in record numbers today. All for serious mature slop.

>>11891981
>TP kinda felt alright, but I dont think it really captured the same tone and was more like copying someone elses handiwork by eye.
TP felt like it just had less range of tone than OOT or MM did. OOT and MM got darker but there were also bright and colorful areas. TP was kinda bleh for most of the game.

>>11892969
It feels like such an under utilized theme, not many games feel like a vacation. I'd recommend the Duke Caribbean expansion to Duke 3D, I always liked turning off monsters and just pretending I'm at a nice resort

>>11892978
i was honestly thinking of replaying sunshine, maybe one of those hacks that one guy keeps posting about and then some other stuff like chrono cross, ffx, or waverace

>>11891981
Windwaker needed another six months to a year in the oven to flesh out the game more. The art style was great and the entire mood of the game was wonderful. It just needed more dungeons and to reduce the padding on stuff like the triforce hunts.

>>11892978
The bonus post game levels of No One Lives Forever starts out with the MC on vacation. It's another thing that hits that theme.

>>11891972
Rare was pulling off technical feats with their own hardware that they themselves couldn't figure out. The Gooch would criticize his own nip peons and ask why they were not able to do the stuff the bongs were. Miyamutoid had a personal rivalry with them and even delayed OoT after testing out Banjo. Retro were little cock suckers in comparison that just did as they were told.

>>11893008
>It just needed more dungeons
They had huge plans for it, but they put them in TP instead. I think the habit of releasing unfinished games to meet deadlines in a competitive environment was a relic of the 2D era where games were generally easier to make and tech was evolving much more quickly. Everything slowed down so much once 3D took hold. Shiggy's comments about meeting deadlines confirms as much.

>>11892969
>>11892983
>wish we got another era of gaming focused on tropical beaches and water
Not retro era (yet), but Dead Island is set on a tropical island resort too

>>11891396 (OP)
you have to remember that the n64 is quasi 00s console, nintendo put out major first and second party releases in 2001. they probably had 2003 releases in mind and had to kick them out the door to match sony's insane start.

>>11891427
>Left is a visceral overreaction to Banjo and Sonic Adventure.

What the fuck, is this true?!

>>11891517
>luigi's mansion ended up being better than sunshine

>>11891396 (OP)
"We have the power of 3D, we're gods, makers of worlds. What's that video game thing you're talking about?"

>>11893421
>"We have the power of 3D, we're gods, makers of worlds. What's that video game thing you're talking about?"

>>11893367
>i need someone else to think for me