After playing through Castlevania 64 and Legacy of Darkness back to back, I can safely say they're genuinely great games and a good translation of the series to 3D whose reputation got ruined by retarded ecelebs that suck at video games. Bonus points for having actual vampires to fuck up and even some spoopy moments.

As rough as C64 it is, I still believe it should be played first for the full experience, if only because experiencing a classicvania without a whip-wielding chad first is just wrong, and mostly because Cornell is a bit too overpowered for most of the game. The camera and controls in the original aren't that bad either, any problems stem mostly from the automatic camera being forced into awkward angles and some ridiculously precise jumps, which thankfully were fixed in LoD.

Why not just play Lament of Innocence?

we've come to the point where most of the games soimales tell you are "good" are actually shit, and the divisive alleged 7/10 titles like these are actually the good ones.

>>11891686 (OP)
No. Castlevania had a rough transition into 3D and I'm tired of apologists/contrarians coming out of the woodwork decades after the fact pretending that the N64 games were half the games that the 2D vanias were.

>>11891690
I second this, not the same kind of game as the N64 ones, but also good.

>>11891691
The 7/10 titles are the good ones because they're actual games. The highly rated ones are all baby mode shit or moviegames created to appeal to the absolute widest possible audience. Any enthusiast would quickly become bored with such trite.

>>11891690
I played both, the ps2 game is way different and more just bland hallways and no real atmosphere and leans more into DMC than Castlevania.
It's also the less fun game.

>>11891686 (OP)
>the CV64 contrarian is back
fuck off faggot, this turd is Superman64 level of bad, no one will ever fall for your lies

it's the only piece of castlevania media that properly transliterated the fernandez clan name. I honestly have now idea how they came up with belnades.

>>11891726
>Any enthusiast would quickly become bored with such trite.
Yes yes you found your special favorite and aren't like the other girls anymore

>>11891686 (OP)
It's surprisingly nice once you push through the boring parts. One thing that kills a game for me is lack of variety and 64 has no two levels that feel the same as eachother. Every single level has a different design philosophy and compels the player to think slightly differently.
I can't think of a game quite as subtle as this one and I've played a ton of action adventure games.

>>11891686 (OP)
>whose reputation got ruined by retarded ecelebs that suck at video games
Ah yes, ecelebs were totally a thing the day these games were released
>>11891690
Because he's a brand fanboy probably

>>11891690
DMCslop button mashers are the worst gameplay of all time

>>11891690
Because it sucks and completely dropped everything that made CV64 actually interesting and ambitious in lieu of apping DMC but with flat, monotonous level design. It also bears almost no resemblance to what Castlevania was in 2D.

>>11891692
You just got filtered and felt into false propaganda, it is by far the best extension of the classic Castlevania gameplay into 3D. It's funny because we currently have a thread calling Castlevania 3 jank and most of the complains there read like what some people spout about CV64 as well. Really makes you think.

>>11893407
And back when it released, it actually reviewed and sold very well, far more than SotN for example. It also outsold every Igarashi-produced game except for Dawn of Sorrow.

>>11891686 (OP)
Agreed. Can't say much about 64 but I played through LoD and it was a genuinely good game that made me forever hate how the entire online discourse around these games is tainted by secondaries that will never play them and will only know about them from AVGN's godawful 'review'.

>>11893343
Same way they changed Ricardo to Lecarde

>>11891686 (OP)
>I still believe it should be played first
Ok but what if were to play only one and then move on with my life?

>>11894243
Unless you straight up stop playing videogames as a whole, period, you play one now and the other one like, 7 or 8 years from now. You're in no hurry, are you.

>>11891686 (OP)
While the game is good, said e-celebs criticism is still mostly valid (except for more retarded takes like motorcycle skeletons being out of place).

>>11891686 (OP)
I don't think 'good translation of the series to 3D' applies here; I remember playing the NES to death and the moment I touched C64 I felt disappointment almost immediately but I didn't know how to express it. I had 8yo at the time maybe I should try again

>>11895000
It doesn't hold up a continuous challenge the way classicvania does. C64 is carried by the level design after the snoozefest that is level one
The bosses are mostly awkward . It excels more as an unbalanced action adventure, 3rd person King's Field with platforming , OoT's awkward but surprisingly interesting cousin

>>11894229
that's a reasonable mistake, though. both could be "rikarudo" in japanese. "ferunandezu" in no way could change to Belnades.

Which one is the first Castlevania for n64? I think I played a few hours of that and liked it. I got lost though and dropped the game. I seem to recall a maze courtyard or something.

>>11894419
If a portal to hell ever opens up and earth suffers from a demonic invasion like in doom, I hope I at least get to see a few motorcycle skeletons before I die. maybe if I buy them some of those meme shirts with skeletons on them holding guns or smoking they will spare me.

>>11895621
The one simply called "Castlevania" in the West (JP name was Castlevania the Apocalypse). Legacy of Darkness (Legend of Cornell) adds Cornell's campaign and Henry as a playable character, further improves/polishes the gameplay a good amount, adds new stages, reworks some of the old ones, etc. But somehow it feels somewhat less atmospheric and lacking the simplicity/delicacy of the original, probably because they were forced to still use a 16 MB cartridge and certain compromises had to be made due to space. I still prefer LoD in terms of gameplay though, especially on Hard mode with Reinhardt.

You know, I wish people would understand that it's ok to like games without fighting a crusade to make it universally liked

>>11895651
What if nothing we say or do matters at all

>>11891686 (OP)
>reputation got ruined by retarded ecelebs that suck at video games
people disliked them when they came out, anon. that's the truth.

>>11895657
but the unbiased nintendo power scores...

>>11895664
As an adult I sometimes wonder if all the reviews in Nintendo power were compromised and I find it hysterical that I had a Nintendo power subscription for years which I trusted and after my subscription ended I would still read those magazines at blockbuster before picking out a game. I don’t feel like they ever portrayed a 5/10 as a 10/10 though and ironically it was probably still more truthful than modern videogame review websites have been for the last decade plus

>>11895664
The unbiased Mario 64/OoT scores...

>>11895558
>3rd person King's Field with platforming
That must be why I like it so much

>>11891726
>trite
"tripe", you pretentious child

>>11892046
It isn't though? It's just... not that good, which isn't what you'd expect if you'd been playing NES and SNES Castlevanias up to that point.

>>11895670
>still more truthful than modern videogame review websites
Almost every big game now is a 9/10 or a 10/10 nowadays for some reason, basically every game coming out nowadays is a masterpiece if you trust the reviews

>>11891686 (OP)
>whose reputation got ruined by retarded ecelebs
I wish you brainlets would stop blaming eclebs for everything. The N64 games didn't have a good rep in the first place. People didn't really appreciate them. It's like the retards who try to say that Dk64 was mass loved by everyone at the time and only retroactively disliked or fell by the wayside.

No, they were just never popular in the first place for various reasons.

The magic touch of Keiji Inafune strikes again...

>>11897210
>>11897216
It needs a modern port that merges both cartridges into one, and gives it some better camera controls and other quality features.

>>11897760
The "better camera controls" are already in LoD; what it needs is to fuse the best aspects of both games without sacrifying the stronger ambience/lighting the original has at times (e.g. Tower of Sorcery, the green water in Duel Tower, the green-blueish tint that takes over during the stairway to Dracula at night, etc). If further development could be done, then it'd be cool to see what they wanted to do with Coller to begin with (Cornell sort of got gimped in LoD, as he was supposed to battle using martial arts and shit).