>>11857152

>Try to keep things /vr/ related: Focus should be on 6th Gen Consoles and older. Slight off topic is fine so long as it's related to CRTs, such as later 16:9 models, HD models, etc. Systems with backwards compatibility are also safe territory, as are re-releases on newer hardware. PC CRTs are also welcome and appreciated.
>Produce OC! Bust out your camera and take photos of your CRTs displaying all sorts of games, featuring all sorts of tubes, using all sorts of signals. Getting good shots can be hard, but if you take enough, at least a few will turn out alright.
>Try and give as much information as possible when asking for info on a specific set, or troubleshooting an issue to expedite and help you may receive. As always, Google is your friend and we are your friends with benefits. Do people read this? Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either; Seriously, there's literally 6 years of backlog at this point.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. Always remember to show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Limited discussion of video processing and scaling devices is alright, but remember to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories.

CRT Pastebin (Never Ever) : http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x
Guide to CRT Hunting : http://pastebin.com/H9H9L2LQ
Guide to Video Monitors : http://pastebin.com/pQX4N6gZ
General Purpose CRT Adjustment Guide : http://www.arcaderepairtips.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/guide_setup_adjust_arcade_monitors_v1.2.0.pdf
S-Video Pasta : http://pastebin.com/rH2h6C7W
BKM-10R Protocol Info : http://pastebin.com/aTUWf33J
JVC RGB card cloning guide : https://pastebin.com/EXqMBfcY

Anybody know what this is? Dude just said it's a 27" JVC TV and it's been sitting in his garage for 15 years. It's free, but it's about an hour drive from where I live. Worth it?

This guy that’s about 15 minutes from me is offering up pic related, I just don’t have a big enough vehicle to carry it. Looks beautiful and is 40” so it’s huge.

>>11895438
not sure the model, but it's silver, so likely manufactured post-2000. but it's also not flat like a lot of post-2000 tubes, so geometry might be better. sitting in a garage could mean bug nest inside, or worse, exposure to too much humidity and/or cold depending on your location. i'd ask if they could post any pictures with a movie playing on the screen or something.

>>11895438
Damn that bad boy's big.

>>11895438
Yeah it probably has a bunch of inputs. Shouldn't be heavy either at that size. It's got the OEM remote too which you'll need for the service menu with a JVC

>>11895453
Looks closer to 30 than 40

>>11895598
Looks like a 40 inch mitsubishi to me with the original stand. model CS-40507

>>11895453
I would trade every single CRT I own for that including my PVM and BVM. Get that fucker

Are there reliable crts today that you do not need to worry about having faulty internals? Or are they all a dice roll? my relative has some small one and I’m unsure if i should even plug it in after 20 years of it sitting in a closet. it being fully discharged (I assume) might be for the best if we just end up tossing it out.

>>11895453
Another picture

>>11895453
so rent a home deput truck for $20 you dumb fuck

>>11895453
>>11895665
insanely nice set
pictures look good
you should get it, anon

>>11895453
>>11895665

Greetings retro bro, from Sarasota

>>11895612
every old piece of tech is a dice roll. if your relatives have a tv you want, just plug it in a find out. my two main CRTs are ~30 years old

you can actually fix horizontal linearity issues by adjusting the linearity coil

>>11895438
probably 2000-2003, with one set of component and svideo

>>11895612
I pick up sets that were literally sitting outside in the mud and rain and get them to work.

>>11895453
>I just don’t have a big enough vehicle to carry it
How the fuck is that possible? Do you drive a motorcycle?

>>11895934

>>11895453
That thing weighs 300+ lbs.

You need help to move it and need to secure it for transport.

Had to put my cat of 13 years down lads

>>11896370
Happened to me in October. He was also 13. Best cat I ever had. Sorry you lost your friend.

>>11895438

That line is pretty good, I have same model but black. It's like a worse version of D-Series because there's no option to disable red push in service menu. Otherwise, pretty good TV. Should have component and S-Video and composite has a good comb filter and it looks nice.

Reposting, because the previous thread was archived

Is it possible to convert NTSC S-Video signal to PAL 60Hz (PAL60 I guess), without perceivable lag? I'm talking about a situation, when a PAL TV displays the NTSC video, but only in black and white, as it can't decode the colors. I tried looking for a device like this, but there's surprisingly little info on this particular use case

Man... I bought two mint condition 9 inch white trinitrons a few months ago for $200. Just got around to using one of them and something failed after a few days of use, now it gets no display when turned on. Out of my many tvs, these are the last ones I would expect to fail because they've clearly seen almost no use. When turned on they give off the smell of new electronics and the tube is clearly unused. Now I've been using the other one for a few days and it's been fine so far, I'm seeing no bad symptoms like the other one that would occasionally flicker. Guess I'll get the other one repaired at some point and hopefully this one works well for a long time.

>>11896651
Love those little white trinitrons. I found a couple of them a long time ago. Did you get the stand for either of them?

>>11896651
>When turned on they give off the smell of new electronics and the tube is clearly unused

Are you sure that's the smell of new electronics and not the smell of electrolytic fluid cooking onto the circuit board

>>11895438
those bigger JVC sets are pretty good, I'd say it's worth a road trip especially for free.

>>11895279 (OP)

I swear to god the slight interlaced shimmering you get on that PS1 startup screen or Amiga Hires mode still gives me vibes of the future.
Sadly the future is shimmer free.

>>11896370
>>11896601
rip sweet princes
sorry for your losses, anons

>>11896630
i couldn't find any information either. your best bet is to get one of those little convertor boxes and find out for yourself

>>11896659

No I didn't

>>11897885
Which particular box you mean?

>>11898095
i dunno, google some options. this one seems to be the most common.

>>11896630
It's not possible to laglessly convert regular PAL to NTSC. Reglar PAL uses 625 lines per two frames (interlaced. cut in half for progressive 50Hz), while NTSC uses 525 lines (262.5 lines at 240p60). PAL frames simply take longer to display, so any conversion to NTSC requires at least one frame of lag, in order to let one PAL frame get fully stored while the NTSC video generator works on another frame.

To my knowledge, PAL60 is basically NTSC timings with the PAL color signaling. It will work, and will appear grayscale on an NTSC TV with no mods. But to be honest, I would rather use Component or RGB.

>>11898464
Nevermind, I messed up and misread the post. I apologise.

Yeah, NTSC grayscale will work on a PAL60 capable TV. Color systems are mutually incompatible though. You could synthesize some direct analog chroma circuit, but that would require an encoder and decoder, which would be a pain in the ass to make since the encoder and decoder chips are often purpose-built to be accessories to other bigger circuits.

Maybe a bored engineer can do some bullshit using some NTSC to SDI IC, and then an SDI to PAL IC, with a sync stripper to align everything? Not worth it IMO.

just a reminder to stop chasing perfection on 240p test suite and play video games.

>>11898505
But how will I get validation if people aren't praising the photos of my TV?

CRT lost a long time ago
just saying

>>11898524
get out normie

Anyone ever have any success removing scratches from the outer shadow mask glass on a set?

>>11898524
Nah

>>11898524
modern screen for modern games, old screen for old games, simple as

>All these 9-14 inch displays
Honest question, do you people genuinely play the games?
Back in 1996 I had a low end 21" in my bedroom by around 1999 my parents bought a new TV and I got their old 28".
I remember being annoyed playing games at my friend with his shitty 15" TV

>>11899085
I played through the whole of FF7 back in the day on a 14" TV in my bedroom with the PS1 hooked up via RF, since that's the only input said TV had. It didn't affect my enjoyment of the game one bit.

>>11899085
I use it like a monitor, sitting way closer to it than you would with a TV. If I had a living room setup I'd want something larger, sure.

>>11899085
I think 27-32 is the best size for a CRT

>>11899085
>Honest question, do you people genuinely play the games?

Anon more people have probably played FF7 on their android phone than people did on a PS1 hooked up to a 14" set.

>>11899273
28" is the perfect size for 4:3 content.
21" is a great compromise if you lack the space.
I had a 20" and even there I still had that man I wish the screen was just a couple of cms bigger feeling and boom 21" solved it.

>>11899085
As a big boy, i find i prefer most 2D games on smaller screens(but not handheld size). For 3D, i go big.

Having grown up with CRTs, I hate them. Big, heavy, with shitty picture quality. Modern TVs are so much better. Even with retro games I would rather play them on a modern display for a nice clean picture.

>>11899595
I like both. The CRTs I grew up on were dogshit though and I only like them now because the ones I've picked up are better. The motion clarity is especially nice for old games with all the scrolling. Once black frame insertion is perfect and OLEDs aren't out of my price range I will probably ditch them forever. It's just a matter of time.

>>11899085

I currently have a 14 inch combo tv/dvd and its brilliant. I have my mister + ps2 hooked up and yes I play on it a lot. I have it on a desk so im pretty close desu, its not like squinting at it across a room.

>>11899085
I play on a 25" that's no further than a meter away (while I'm sitting in a beanbeag and it's far enough for me to have room for legs) and I wish it was bigger. I've also got a 29" set, but its geometry is wonky and I can't be assed to get around and fix it, especially that it requires fucking around the yoke (vertical bowing that's really noticable), so it sits in storage as a backup, otherwise I'd be using it instead.
I can imagine having a small set like a 14", but for a desk setup at best.

>>11899595
thanks for letting us know

>>11898242
This is composite only, and I want to do the conversion for S-Video

>>11898464
>>11898468
Well that was basically my question - whether someone somewhere sells a device like this, or if there are schematics available online, for building it. Component and RGB are not an option for my particular use case unfortunately

>>11900421
you may just want to try and hunt down a PAL CRT that can handle NTSC - they made them in the 90s and 2000s

otherwise most PAL sets should be able to accept RGB, so modifying your console hardware may be the way to go instead (if it doesn't already natively output RGB)

>>11896630
This will sound like a meme but if you buy a PVM it plays everything.

>>11900446
>PAL CRT that can handle NTSC - they made them in the 90s and 2000s
80s models with a SCART socket should support 60Hz and NTSC too. I used to have a couple from the mid-to-late 80s that did so just fine. Of course, they're long-since dead and gone, like most sets from that era.

>>11899085
20-27" for me

>>11899595
Posts like this make it really apparent that CRTs are to video games what turntables are to music.
>Technology that's been around longer than anyone using it has been alive.
>Seen as antiquated and cumbersome to those who had to pay for/carry them around when they didn't have any alternatives. Cool and "retro" to those who didn't.
>Can be free to get into if you find one on the side of the road or you can spend five figures on a really impressive example.
>Easy to waste money on bad, overpriced shit if you don't know what you're doing
>Those blissfully unaware they're using bad equipment contrast with the quality dick-measuring contest participants
>Sometimes despised by those who have never actually used one
>Even with those who swear by it, you likely won't find anyone who completely eschews newer technology in favor of it.
>A small community unto itself within a subset of a much broader hobby

People can argue about the merits of both as much as they want, but it's a matter of taste at the end of the day.

>>11900952
The difference in my opinion at least is that CRT’s improve the way games look
Where as records just give it worse sound

>>11900952
In my case, i just never stopped using them and i refuse to pay money for a modern screen.

>>11900446
>>11900492
>>11900571
I already have a couple CRTs which can do real NTSC without issues. But I also have one that doesn't and it's my childhood set. It's a composite only piece of shit, but I like it. I'd use it at least on occasion, but you won't see me playing butchered 50Hz conversions, fuck that. Other than that, I'm looking to get into Commodore 64 with an appropriate monitor and the earlier ones don't have RGB. So yeah, I could use w good way to convert NTSC to PAL60 but that seems impossible

>>11900952
The difference is that CRTs have objectively superior motion handling compared to any modern sample and hold display. The "benefits" of vinyl are entirely non-tech-related elements, such as looking cool and being a more "interesting" format to interact with compared to "boring" CDs.

So as someone who has not used a CRT since like maybe 2006 or something, I do not remember what they look like. I mainly played n64 games through the 90s, and then during the 2000s played a GameCube and an Xbox. Did they console benefit from CRT? Was it just the 64? Do I need to get a CRT to see the 64 games as they are intended to be seen?


I thought people who emulated using those filter things were retarded but after listening to your guys explanation of dithering effecting sprites and models it makes sense and I’m sure a filter is at least closer to the real thing than nothing at all.


Did the GBA or GBASP screen have any sort of crt effect? I don’t think it did. I only find this interesting because I’m wondering if those devices you were supposed to see the raw pixels or not. Contrasted to something like a SNES where supposedly you weren’t supposed to see the raw pixels. I’m wondering if a GBA game ran through the gameboy player on the GameCube, and displayed on a CRT would look better or worse. I’m thinking maybe worse? Because the that screen didn’t dither anything?

>>11898524

Gross.

>>11901446
Most N64 emulation does not in fact look like an actual N64 unless you use Parallel RDP
And yes they do look a lot better on a CRT

>>11901197
>Where as records just give it worse sound
If they're in good condition, plenty of original pressings sound great. For the similar reason that it was the medium it was originally designed for.

>>11901443
>The "benefits" of vinyl are entirely non-tech-related elements
Regardless of whether it makes sense or not (mastering is ultimately what really matters), there are those out there who primarily appreciate vinyl for its technical merits. From the outside looking in, it also looks like they just got into it because it looks cool.

>>11901857
>medium it was originally designed for.
The medium music was designed for is live
Records are just hobby related

>>11895279 (OP)
This tv has 4: Something Ratio is it supposed to play side ways or full screen

>>11901857
>plenty of original pressings sound great
Yes, and yet still technically inferior to a CD created from the same master recording.
>the medium it was originally designed for
That would be played live to a human ear.
>there are those out there who primarily appreciate vinyl for its technical merits
Vinyl has no "tehnical merits" compared to CDs. It's not a subjective topic. You can test, measure and provide evidence of the additional motion clarity that comes as standard with an impulse-based display. Scientific testing of vinyl versus CD quality digital audio literally always favors the latter, with any suggestions to the contrary boiling down to "trust me, bro."

>>11895453
Probably weighs a ton , too. Bring someone to help you lift it.

>>11901446
>Do I need to get a CRT to see the 64 games as they are intended to be seen
honestly i'd be willing to say n64 is the one console that benefits the most from being played on a crt. but any 2d pixel art based game in general will see big benefits too.

>>11901446
>>11902472
as far as gba and other handhelds go, a lot of people will use filters that mimic those consoles specific lcd screen grids, which is what gives them their unique look. i would say their small screen also benefited them and was kind of how their pixel art was "blended" in the absence of a crt screen, in which case i personally feel playing them on a big screen misses out on some of their charm

>>11900952
Yeah, I think for the most part, retro gaming is a technical/gear sort of hobby, similar to being an audiophile, hotting up cars, buying camping gear, or upgrading a guitar pedalboard. It's more a technical hobby than a media/consumption hobby, although that differs person to person, some retro game a lot and don't even touch shaders and don't really care.

Is having a PC CRT monitor plain hipsterism or do they offer benefits for games like TVs do? Do they blend pixels in old games?

>>11903390
>Is having a PC CRT monitor plain hipsterism
yes
>do they offer benefits for games like TVs do?
yes
>Do they blend pixels in old games?
no

>>11903390

it depends. consoles, anything 15hz consumer TV level, probably pointless.
If you are emulating something like a 486 or x68000 that used medium or higher res it would be useful but they are fairly unique cases.
But both of them are something i'd just emulate on a modern pc with a high res monitor with freesync and a shader. CRT -monitors- are not something i'd personally deal with all the downsides of to keep around. (CRT -tv- is a different story)

>>11903390
>Do they blend pixels in old games?
Actually yes, in old games like Diablo 2, Doom and Star Craft 1 the art looks much better on a CRT.

>find 20 inch Trinitron with component inputs that looks to be in good shape on Facebook <15 miles from me
>decent price ($50) compared to everyone else in my area that wants $200 for similar CRTs
>send a message expressing interest in buying
>message read by seller, no answer
Okay fuck you too

>>11904128
>paying $50 to haul someone's garbage away for them
He read your message and was disgusted. He's waiting for someone to tell him that his rotting old junk ain't worth shit, and that they'll only be willing to come pick it up if he pays for their gas. Grow a spine.

>>11903390
>>11904006
It does work much better, mostly because the resolution is not scaled up like on LCDs. Everything will still be pixelated with low color depth, and will not really be "blended", but anything low res will still look much better than on modern panels

Reminder that aperture grille is better
Top: Slot
Bottom: Aperture

>>11904128

People on marketplace are a testament to just how fucking stupid the general public is.

>>11904465
>low tvl vs high tvl
meme comparison, do it right next time

>>11900952
As a based noticer i have to inform you that another difference is that we still have the industrial capacity to produce record players, while the supply chain for CRTs is dead and gone with no way to revive it because they literally destroyed it all.

>>11904128
it means they already have someone picking it up and they are too socially retarded (common now) to just tell you "too late, sorry".

>>11903390

Not nearly as big of a niche for them as crt tvs, but they're good for old pc games, especially fpses. 120+hz on a crt is amazing. Part of the reason they're good for old pc games is convenience, you won't have to mess with ini files all the time trying to get an old game to run at 1080p or higher on a modern monitor and whatever else since you just rock whatever resolution on the fly and it will look really good. The flip side though is that crt monitors will sometimes have problems with modern games, usually menus and UI since devs don't even bother including support for older aspect ratios. One downside of crt monitor is that they're kind rare now and you really need a decent model or you might as well not bother, so prepare to hunt awhile and pay a bit.

If you could choose any CRT in brand new condition to spend the rest of your life with, which one would it be? And why? Consumer only.

Mine would be a KV-32XBR48. Curved Trinitron with component.

>>11905453
D24

>>11900952
this is actually gross >>11901531
all this image dirtiness and artifacts for what?

>>11905453
probably a mid-90s consumer sony trinitron or jvc d-series, 27"

>>11905479
I’m sure it doesn’t look like that irl

>>11904465
slot mask more like slut mask amirite haha

>>11904465
Why does my small sony look like the top and my big shadow mask look like the bottom?

>>11905453
Probably a JVC DT-V1700CG

>>11905463
>>11906573
Consumer sets only.

>>11906793
Then a Mitsubishi 2070SB with a RBG to HD15 transcoder

I finally took the back off my Sony KV-27TS22 and adjusted the Screen knob to get the brightness where it needs to be and I can finally see where the fuck I'm going on Special Stage Route 11 in GT1!

>>11907028
Well done, all it takes is a little initiative

>>11895279 (OP)
Anyone know anything about CRT repair?

I have a Mitsubishi CRT monitor from '93 but it has a power issue. I can hear it whine so I assume that the flyback is functional but I get absolutely no video or power light on.

I'm going to check the caps on the power supply board but if that isn't the issue I have no fucking clue what to do

CRT is too SOVL. Even on modern displays...

>>11908907
wrong thread bucko, make a shader thread if you want to

I wish the overscan for my mega drive was not ever so slightly different than that of the Wii but I've made my peace with the blue margins rather than adjusting every time I swap consoles

>>11909117
Reminder to leave some space in the sides to match NTSC aspect ratio, just the way developers intended

>>11909134
What do you mean? Can you post a pic

>>11909168
top is NTSC PAR, bottom is standard 4:3

It's a small autismo but NES and SNES games look better at NTSC PAR

>>11909180
sonic looks like he's going "boy look here"

>>11909117
I can't run away from this autism. Even while playing the same console sometimes I have to adjust for different games.

>>11909301
I did that for a few years. you should just overscan so everything covers the screen. cutting off some of the image is fine

>>11909316
Yeah, but some games have UI elements right at the edges.
Mostly fighting games and RPGs.

>>11904128
This desu -> >>11904693

I've been on the search for a nice crt monitor for a few weeks. I hesitated a bit on the first one I found as it wasn't in the best cosmetic condition but then I decided it was still good enough. Messaged the guy a couple of times with no response. 3 days later he finally updated the listing as sold

>>11909415
>3 days later he finally updated the listing as sold
lucky. around here they just leave it up for literal years. no idea why facebook doesnt automatically remove them after some time.

>>11910016
I think it's because there's a really high demand around where I live. So if they don't update their listings they'll just keep getting spammed from people looking to buy it

Is it really so wrong?

>>11911705
>Nintendo thread
>Posts Sega

>>11911705
disgusting looking

One of my more retarded and cluttered setups I have ever had. I miss that CRT though my Mum threw it out when she had to move out quickly as the landlord couldn't afford to remortgage and I was at University and told her just to dump it to save her the stress. I now live with my gf and have a crappy 14" ugly blue Combi CRT for my consoles, I check Facebook weekly for a good big one but they're all so expensive. One day I'll get like a beautiful 20" Trinitron.

>>11911987
I haven't seen a 20 inch trinitron in the 10 years I've looked on facebook. It's either tiny or giant.

a fwb's gf showed me the ufo test on her crt and now i get it :O

>>11900952
How are you playin those 2hu games on a consumer television m8?

>>11912127
He's using a mitsubishi so it might be multiscan and do 480p+. You can also just hook a consumer TV up to a PC with crt emudriver and play most of the touhou games just fine at 480i since they are 640x400

>>11911705
inferior, but not wrong

This last cage is imaginary I swear