This game was rightfully considered a classic until about a few years ago when a bunch of faggot youtubers started complaining about "no map" and retarded zoomers starting repeating it instead of forming their own opinions.

Same thing with the original kid icarus

>>11896143 (OP)
I beat this game when I was 10 years old and I didn't even draw a map. Kept it all in my head. Zoomers' brains are fried. They probably would like the GBA remake where, not only is there an automapper, but they also put unavoidable Chozo statues in the middle of corridors that tell you exactly where to go next at all times.

>>11896143 (OP)
>was rightfully considered a classic
As if zoomers and youtubers have a say in any of that. Get real, OP.

every -oomerposter should be permabanned so that /vr/ becomes usable

>>11896192
Zoomer detected.

>>11896143 (OP)
I'd tolerate it more if it started you with half of your total health, grinding from 30 to any meaningful amount is boring and resetting after death to restore e-tanks kind of goes against the game's structure. sadly most hacks restore full health only making it too easy.

>>11896284
If you have to grind in Metroid, you're bad at the game.

>>11896143 (OP)
Many such cases

>>11896143 (OP)
I think it's less YouTubers and more just that it's getting older and older every year. It's like movies that were considered classics in the 50s but obviously as we move further away from that, people give less and less of a shit. Like how many people really care about silent films or watch them casually on the regular?

Unironically what youtubers you people are always talking about? I've always been curious
>>11896143 (OP)
>>11896149
And as for Metroid and Kid Icarus in particular, basically what you are saying is that a few years ago some youtubers started saying something that led to both games being stripped of their classic status? Wtf
Also what I've always found weird is that most people here assume that zoomers all play /vr/ games, I highly doubt that people who barely even game outside of modern multiplayer stuff and mobile shit care about NEStroid and Kid Icarus. Of course there are some gamer zoomers but for them even the PS2 is ancient

>>11896324
NTA, but AVGN recently made a Metroid video where he acknowledged that the original is a classic and a pioneer in its genre before going on to say it sucks to actually play, citing a whole bunch of gripes he has with its gameplay and design.

>>11896294
Yes and everyone is bad at it there first time. No shit you pathetic idiot.

>>11896341
I remember Mike Matei saying that he prefers Zero Mission because of the map too which is pretty weird

>>11896351
>there first time

>>11896316
>Like how many people really care about silent films or watch them casually on the regular?
Anybody with taste.

>>11896316
>like people that watch silent movies
Yeaahh those guys are super weird. Not like us chads, talking about our favorite c64 games..

I don't think metroid nes really serves what people enjoy about super and zero mission. in super and zero every new area is its own intricately designed environmental puzzle with a unique layout and often a new gimmick to play with. enemies are more like passive obstacles rather than immediate threats that demand your attention, you have room to breathe and feel out the levels.
in nestroid 90% of the game is going to either be a platform shaft or a relentless enemy corridor. there's an argument for it having a greater sense of exploration at a high level due to the lack of a map but in terms of the individual areas themselves there's not a lot of creativity or design there.

>>11896387
The map in the original is also more open abd doesn't railroad you as much as Super or especially ZM.

>>11896367
95% chance you're a poser if you're actually claiming that you regularly watch silent movies
>>11896371
I'm talking about mainstream audiences, genius. No need to get defensive because I pointed out the march of time exists.

>>11896143 (OP)
I liked the game. Who cares what anyone thinks. Its true I would have preferred it with a map and actual backgrounds but who cares what we did get is great anyways. Actually save rooms would have been really nice.

>>11896143 (OP)
>>11896149
i agree. they were only classics because of novelty. they're not very fun. kid icarus is fucking abhorrent.

>>11896592
Kid Icarus is a fun platformer though

>>11896143 (OP)
I had it as a kid, bought it as a teen, tried it again as an adult, and never played far. I enjoyed every Metroid but not the first one. Never played the second.

>>11896591
>and actual backgrounds
With Metroid the black background actually adds to the atmosphere, unironically. Same for 2 on the GB

>>11896603
Eh somewhat but I've seen some rom hacks that add backgrounds and imo it looks better that way.

it doesn't have as much replay value as super metroid because there's not many speedrunning tricks

>>11896616
wrong file asdfghjkjjlkl;

>>11896616
The hardest boss in the series got absolutely destroyed

>>11896619
Emperor ing?

>>11896596
Yeah I played Metroid when it was new and tried Kid Icarus for the first time only a few years ago and I liked them both.

>>11896624
Close but Mother Brain from ZM is still harder in my opinion

>>11896596
i don't find it fun at all. almost every other NES platformer blows it out the water.

>>11896143 (OP)
daily reminder nestroid>super for the simple fact its actually challenging and feels like a hostile alien environment instead of a hold your hand heres a map and nothing will ever threaten you walk in the park like every other metroid game.

>>11896628
i don't agree the hardest boss in the metroid series is super metroid ridley way harder than mother brain

i had a mental block on how to defeat ridley for years until i read his ASM code block and was like ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>11896649
super metroid is faceroll if you go 100% but if you go low% speedrun then uh no it isn't easy at all

>>11896660
Ridley in Super is good ol
>I hope that fucker dies before I do
boss when you just unload everything you have on him. Same for Kraid and Ridley in 1. But yeah that fight in Super is hard

>>11896680
the thing about ridley was until i read his battle script i needed more E tanks than the optimal route of the era required or i'd die (it was before people figured out how to break into norfair first, and i think moonfall changed the route back)

sometimes i'd take a safety save right before ridley cause he'd kill me so often

>>11896341
It does suck to actually play, not because of the map but because the jumping feels like shit and you spend the whole game trying to dodge endlessly respawning bugs while platforming.

>>11896757
>spend the whole game trying to [play the game]
Whoah, watch it fella. That's mighty close to an actual criticism... Not like other games where you have to... press buttons all day!

>>11896649
NEStroid isn't challenging in the slightest once you actually know how to navigate, why would you think this

>>11896757
I think Metroid might be the most repetitive game I know.. at least among the games some people claim to like

>>11896284
>started you with half of your total health
I'd say there's more to it than just the starting value
Let's say you make it through a difficult section and your health is really low now. The same problem of recovering health applies there too.
Metroid just has a fundamental problem with health recovery. Zelda did a good job with that with the faeries.
Metroid's still a solidly good game though.

>>11896960
>the most repetitive game
>at least among the games some people claim to like
Most 8 bit JRPGs

It's a classic in the sense that it's an old game that established a lot. It's not like it's a perfect game, or ever was.
It doesn't need a map, however. That's for weaklings.

>>11897047
You inevitably just grind health against popcorn enemies. They may as well give you a full bar when you respawn.

>>11896592
Metroid is a speed running classic and popularized a whole genre. Just because you're bad at it doesn't mean it's not a great game.

>>11896395
95% you're a faggot who can't enjoy movies made before 2000.

>>11897047
Metroid is supposed to feel like being stuck on a hostile planet. Health shouldn't just be given to you.

>>11896143 (OP)
Classic =/= good game. Yes the game was genre defining but almost every game even inside it's own franchise is miles better than the first one.

>>11897115
The Original is a great pick up and play title with the best exploration on the series.

I've only ever had trouble with Metroid when I needed to refill all my energy and missiles after entering the password. Anyone who can't figure out where they are is dumb.

>>11897123
>the best exploration on the series.
Which is... pretty low bar desu

>>11897137
The low bar is what they made you fat ass jump over in gym class, faggot.

It's a game where you explore and become an unstoppable god as you do it. The series had some great improvements in later games but everything you need to have a good time is already here

>>11897142
Sorry for being honest about your favorite series anon...

>>11896662
>b-but its hard if youre a speedtrooner!
yeah Im sure it is, but 99% of people arent. on my casual playthrough I only died a couple times to ridley (was a great boss fight and definitely the best version of ridley in any metroid game to be fair). in NES you have to be careful at every junction past brinstar

>>11896143 (OP)
why do you care what some youtuber says

>>11897160
>being honest
*being retarded

>>11897151
yeah this is what really impressed me my first time playing it. like damn, everything thats core to the metroid experience is right here in this tiny 8 bit game. and in some ways its better done than any game after it. "OH NO THE CLUNKYNESSS" casual scum can all get the rope.

>>11896143 (OP)
what's the problem here? a game was considered a classic, still is by retro boomers, but a bunch of insignificant video game secondaries were told it's actually kinda ass and not deserving of being a classic? who cares, they'll never touch retro vidya in their lives.
this is like if anyone cared what my opinion of lebron james is, good or bad, even though i never watched or played basketball.

>>11896143 (OP)
>youtubers
Ironically enough, this one girl recenly streamed it while playing it, and she ended up enjoying it. https://youtu.be/T2V6UuJyAyQ

>>11896143 (OP)
>This game was NOT considered a classic until about a few years ago until tendies decided to updot it to bore others

>>11896143 (OP)
People have had conflicting opinions on this game since long before YouTube was a thing. Either you're too young to remember or you blanked out the memory because people disagreeing with you cause you to sperg out.

>>11897867
You were considered a faggot from day 1.
>>11897903
The praise for it was near universal before 2029.

>>11897965
>2029
*2020

>>11896143 (OP)
you can clearly see how a lot of elements that made super metroid a masterpiece have already been in that game
if you didn't know anything else it surely was a good time or if you can get into it it's probably nice even today

>>11897965
>>11897969
It always lived in the shadow of Super

>>11897978
the thing about metroid NES is that it's like a first generation athlete in the NBA/NFL or something...it might have been godly for its time, but it doesn't really hold up too well compared to Zero Mission/Super/Fusion they took the formula and improved the hell out of it

was it good in the '80s? yeah, but i'm never planning on replaying it

i've been considering going on a super metroid romhack binge though (problem is with my old man reflexes i cant do tricks very well now)

>>11897980
Super and ZM degraded both the exploration and challenge of the original.

>>11898019
there's nothing challenging about the original just stand right next to kraid/ridley and mash button