>The game's message is
>hey remember the beloved and far superior and critically acclaimed world of the previous games? Yeah totally wasted we are not doing that again because uhhh muh change! You are like the bad guy if you like old thing!
Good thing they got humbled and forced to do what the people actually wanted in the next game.

>>11905804 (OP)
Great, another shitty 6th gen Zelda thread. Just what the doctor ordered.

>You can't be tied to the past!
>Even if your entire journey was just a watered down beat-for-beat rehash of the game we refuse to stop talking about, THE PAST IS BAD DON'T CLING TO THE PAST LIKE THAT BAD GUY GANON!

>>11905804 (OP)
And yet they did the same thing again in botw and everyone loved it. Really makes you think

>>11905804 (OP)
That's the last Zelda I played because I stopped buying consoles aimed at children. Good game.

>>11905804 (OP)
>>11905918
the message has literally nothing to do with the series, moron. i bet you got filtered by danganronpa v3's ending too even though they spell it out in the epilogue.

>>11905918
>THAT BAD GUY GANON
HE WAS JUST MISUNDERSTOOD, ANON.

>>11905804 (OP)
wind waker was also critically acclaimed I dont know what the point is of listing that the older games were critically acclaimed.

>>11905804 (OP)
You sound mad at Wind Waker being good, anone

>>11905804 (OP)
>The game's message
Who gives a shit?

>>11905918
It is ridiculous that he prevents the restoration of the planet because people need to "stop clinging to the past" (aka stupid anime platitude), all the while he is condemning all of civilisation to his past mistakes without any recourse. This shit is retarded.

>>11905804 (OP)
Wind Waker has excellent presentation and actually puts you in fun combat situations unlike Ocarina.

>>11905804 (OP)
I sometimes wonder whether the sort of idiot that thinks (and/or posts) this sort of thing actually believes "The Consumer Is Always Right" is a fact rather than an euphemism.

>>11906150
>lock on the enemy until the game tells you to press A
Wow...

>>11905804 (OP)
fart porn of ganondorf sniffing the king's buttocks after blasting him saying "I coveted that wind I suppose mmhmm"

>>11906030
Passing the baton to the next generation surely had nothing to do with the game series

>>11906150
>forgetting stuff like dark link
wow

>>11906486
As it would turn out, it didn't. The same kids who played link to the past and oot ended up spending their next 20+ years clinging to every future release as the big moment for their return, only for it to never happen, and younger generations to move on each subsequent issue.

Will you be the one to break the cycle? To move on? Who knows.

>>11905804 (OP)
Wind Waker? The Chrono Cross of the Zelda

>>11905810
Cry about it nu-zeldafag and stop derailing retro Zelda threads.

>>11906150
t. though the ice arrows had no usage beyond freezing enemies

>>11906794
>Cry about it nu-zeldafag
funny, in my mind OoTfags are still "nu-zeldafags" and given they only like one game in the series (maybe two if they happen to tolerate Majora's), they're also not real zelda fans.

>>11906150
>Wind Waker has excellent presentation
>puts you in fun combat situations
You could have stopped there and you would have been correct. WW has all those brawl fights with enemy reinforcements that keep pouring in. They are very fun.

>>11906192
>The Customer Is Always Right
FTFY.

>>11906843
>will the real zelda fans please stand up
>please stand up
>please stand up
I started on OoT when I was (technically) 9 years old. I unironically love all of the Zeldas from 1 to WW. I am sadly filtered by TP and I capped out at the Wii, so I'm probably never gonna play the others. Ive not beaten Z1, Z2 or ALttP, but I've gotten pretty damn close. I think I made it to the 5th or 6th dungeon in Z1. I beat the 6th palace in Z2. I just beat the first dungeon in the Dark World in ALttP. OoT is probably my fav, tho. I just beat it on a 3 hearts run. Learned a lot by changing it up. Nayru's Love is OP AF with Blue Pots and/or the extended magic meter. Deku Nuts are awesome (I already knew this). I was down to 1-1/2 hearts and one fairy when I made it down to the bottom of the collapsed tower to fight Ganon and I said, "there's no way". So thought I'd spam Nayru's until I ran out of magic and, well, I never got close. I didn't even need to pop my blue pot. Ganon just ragdolled me to no avail while I capped his stupid rainbow tail with Deku Nuts. I had to resort to muh sword because I didn't get the Deku Nut capacity extensions, but it was all good in the hood. One thing I love aboit that boss fight is Ganondorf grows out his hair when you find him in his tower. He looks like an absolute chad with that pseudo-mullet. I also did the Bombchu spam on that Iron Knuckle duo coming up the tower and that was pretty fun.

>>11905804 (OP)

what if the cigar was just a cigar

>>11906878
>I love WW
into the garbage it goes

>>11906074
He remembers the how bad it was before. Fuck this gay earth and everyone in it.

>>11905804 (OP)
i never took the game's message to extend to how the player feels about the series itself.

>>11907020
>how the player feels
It's not about the player. It's about how Aonuma felt about the series, kiddo.

>>11905804 (OP)
I don't think WW is flawed on a conceptual level, the real issue is that it came out half-baked like almost every other 6th gen Nintendo game such as Sunshine.

>>11906878
>Ive not beaten Z1, Z2 or ALttP
Bruh c'mon, you can do it.

People care about the plot and “the message” in a Zelda game?

The real message is
>OP is a fag

>>11907354
Don't worry, bruh. I will.

>>11907430
Believe it or not the classic Zelda story goes way back. Think white, Christian Europe facing the muslim scourge.

>>11907636
Obsessed

>>11907430
it’s not going to be retro for a long time but a lot of people were pleasantly surprised by how Echoes of Wisdom didn’t try to chop Link’s balls off
- Link is still awesome
- He just fucks up once and falls into the purple void and Zelda needs to step up too because nobody else can
- You join forces with Link at the end to stuff the big bad back into whatever hole it crawled out of
>>11905918
“Give these kids hope” is a lame wish
He should have come up with a better one
It’s not like he didn’t have time to think of a better one
Makes you wonder if Hyrule is just a huge basin that got 99.999% flooded but the rest of the world is just normal

I'm not responding to your blog, avatarfag.

>>11907639
With what?

>>11907783
>lame wish
The point is it isn't Ganondorf's wish, which would be *terrible*.

>>11906150
Wind Waker is the only time Zelda combat is fun. It's wild no other game has been able to match it.

>>11907430
Zelda used to actually have decent stories. I miss when Nintendo used to somewhat try compare to nowadays

>>11907984
>can't run and swing
nope, not fun

>>11908249
NTA, but WW is the only Zelda that you can run sweep the camera around as you run. This alone is revolutionary. I cannot overstate how incredible this mechanic is. Running and swinging is child's play. WW enemies are super fun and full of character. It's really the enemies that make it fun. So many times the game sets you up against a boatload (literally) of enemies in one room. Or you face wave after wave after wave of enemies in a room. It's the first Zelda with the 30 level pit, that was fun. The parry attack is great and the whirlwind spin attack is great, too. Despite being an easy game, there are no super OP mechanics in it like in OoT or MM (Nayru's, 6 bottles, Chateau Romani, FD Mask, etc.). That dude is right. WW combat is the most fun, hands down.

>>11908376
>WW is the only Zelda that you can run sweep the camera around as you run.
You can do this in the GCN version of TP too. I didn't read anything else you typed since you're clearly a misinformed fag.

>>11908376
Your head was built to clean toilets, kid

>>11908384
>You can do this in the GCN version of TP too.
No you can't. It's like you've never even played the game. The camera snaps back behind Link on movement. You can sweep the camera around him when you are still, but once you move it will continue to snap back and it is nausea-inducing. It loterally defears the purpose of a free sweeping camera. If you don't believe me, then boot it up and see for yourself. Or maybe you don't have the game and are talking out your ass. The only misinformed fag here is you.

>>11908391
Not a kid. If that were true, I'd be cleaning your mom's toilet every day.

>>11908402
Can't tell if trolling or literally retarded. If I run straight in TP and push the C-stick left or right, I can swivel it around Link 360 degrees and even have him running directly at the screen face first. Please kill yourself.

>>11908407
Oh yeah? Show me your ID

>>11905918
>your entire journey was just a watered down beat-for-beat rehash of the game
You know except for the whole sailing gameplay.

>>11908376
I'd say Zelda 1 has the most fun combat, because the enemies actually fight back.

>>11908418
The camera doesn't stay where you put it in relation to Link's movement. It is objectively a downgrade from WW's free camera. You are being disingenuous and an idiot.

>>11908436
For 2D Zelda, maybe. I haven't played enoigh of Zelda 1, 2 or 3 to know well enough.

>>11905804 (OP)
Uhhh.. so what was the "next game"?
Cuz this IS THE GAME from what I'm seeing

Zelda fans just want to have the same experience they had playing their first Zelda game as a child, not understanding that nothing can recreate that experience since they are different now.

>>11908445
>The camera doesn't stay where you put it in relation to Link's movement.
Yes it does, you just have to keep holding the C-stick in the direction you want the camera to stay.
>It is objectively a downgrade from WW's free camera. You are being disingenuous and an idiot.
You said WW was the only Zelda game where you couldn't "sweep the camera around Link while running" which is demonstrably false. I won't argue that having to keep the C-stick held to maintain the desired perspective is a downgrade, but that isn't what you were arguing. You weren't arguing that it could be done. Ergo, you are disingenuous and an idiot.
Also TP lets you alternate between a behind-the-shoulder perspective and an overhead perspective that nearly mimicks the 2D games in scope which is way cooler than WW so it wins, fuck you.

>>11908518
there's something wrong with them

>>11908953
>you just have to keep holding the C-stick in the direction you want the camera to stay
Exactly. Don't try and tell me like this is some sort of gotcha. It is unusable in combat. Or do you have three thumbs? As soon as you take your thumb off the C-Stick to actually control your character it snaps back and you've lost your "free camera". If you want to keep an angle while you're moving you have to maintain perfect coordination with your right thumb and it ruins the whole point of it. You should stop.

>>11908518
>Zelda fans just want to have the same experience they had playing their first Zelda game as a child, not understanding that nothing can recreate that experience since they are different now.
True. Not just zelda fans though

>>11908518
People want to have great experiences, mate. It's not big secret or mystery. No need to project, either. Some people are perfectly happy just playing games, bruh. If you want to have a novel experience, then find a good wife, have kids and raise them up. You will live vicariously through them.

>>11905804 (OP)
I enjoyed the game, and i remember if fondly
idk why you feel the need to overthink it and hate on it. didnt like it? ok it wasnt for you, move on.
"b-b-but the devs didnt make the game like i wanted it made...." too bad cry about it

>>11909317
>moving the goalposts again
You said you can't rotate the camera around Link in any other Zelda game. You can in TP. You shitting and dilating because of "w-well it's not applicable when you're..." doesn't matter. You said something untrue, I corrected you, now you're buttmad. Deal with it.

>>11905996
So you switched to PC?

>>11909514
>You said you can't rotate the camera around Link in any other Zelda game.
In the context of combat, which is what matters. We weren't talking about gameplay in general. We were talking about combat. I knew an autistic retard such as yourself wouldn't be capable of preventing himself from pointing out that "akshually in TP..." because I know what you can do in TP and you can't do it in combat, which is what the discussion was about. So all you've done is taken the bait and helped me show how TP is a clear regression from WW. Thank you for your stupidity. You are hereby relieved of your inane duty. Now begone.

>>11907024
Post one quote where he even implies that was the point of TWW's ending.

>>11911095
"It's not that anyone is telling me we have to change the formula. I want to change it. I'm kind of getting tired of it. If I'm getting tired of it, then I'm sure other people are getting tired of it".

i lik water
wish more games had that much water
ruby and sapphire, WW, whatever
all other games are inherently 7/10, regardless of other strengths, because they dont have enough water

>>11906843
>in my mind
You are the deranged ALttPcuck who is trashing every retro Zelda game right now

This game would be less annoying if they just put a motor on the boat

in retrospect, they should have made an actual sequel to WW that expanded on WW (and not done it on the DS).
TP was a soulless retread of a game.

Link fights Ganon just like every other Zelda game

>>11905804 (OP)
WW is a fine game but like most of the GC titles, should have been on a novel IP rather than a flagship IP.
>sunshine
>Starfox adventures
>Wind Waker
>double dash
All had great mechanics but didn’t deliver the next gen experience that the N64 had. They were great games but they were great games that could have been released on the N64 and no one would have been able to tell the difference.
>pikmin
>luigis mansion
>animal crossing
Were all great games that used original IPs and have never had controversy about living up to anything. Can you imagine if it was Super Mario Mansion? People would be just as upset as Sunshine. Bottom line - the rate of change between titles must remain positive and always be increasing. If that’s in doubt, use a new IP.

>>11913372
Double Dash is better than 64 in every way, you are right about everything else though

>>11907809
>wind waker thread
>uses wind waker image
>gets accused of avatarfagging
Which mental illness is this?

>>11913372
Melee was truly the only game carrying the GC early on

>>11909563
>i-in the context of...
You were wrong, simple as.

>>11912846
I agree it should have had a direct console follow-up. It has a terrific style and the gameplay---controls, items, combat---feels good. Spending more time with the pirates and exploring much larger islands would have been great.

>>11906486
>Passing the baton to the next generation surely had nothing to do with the game series
It doesn't.
Ignoring gay timeline shit, here is what Zelda looks like
>Zelda 1
Link saves Zelda.
>Zelda 2
The same Link saves another Zelda.
>Link to the Past
An earlier Link saves another Zelda.
>Link to the Past
The same Link jerks off in a shipwreck.
>Ocarina of Time
An even earlier Link saves another Zelda.
>Majora's Mask
The same Link jerks off in the woods.
>Wind Waker
For the first time, a later Link saves another Zelda.
>Twilight Princess
Effectively a retread of Wind Waker's base narrative.
>Skyward Sword
An EVEN EARLIER Link saves another Zelda.

You have two arguable instances of passing the baton in terms of a grand franchise theme, occurring 15 years into said franchise and sandwiched between Zelda's fetish for going backwards.

>>11906792
What's the deal with sequels that hate the previous games?

>>11905804 (OP)
Would be really cool if the rules intended to make this board not shit were actually enforced.

>>11913372
>>luigis mansion
>Were all great games that used original IPs and have never had controversy about living up to anything.

Uh, Luigi's Mansion was shitted on hard back in the day for not being a 3D Mario. Despite being a new IP it still had to live up to dumb expectations and was controversial.

>>11908953
lol, the immediate backflipping, what a loser

>>11908432
>you know except for the worst part of the game

>>11906192
The consumer buys your product, of course they are right and you should give them what they want

>>11914428
no clue what you're talking about, Wind Waker has a large part of the game about passing the baton to a new generation

>>11917416
I stated in my post that Wind Waker and Twilight Princess were the SOLE exceptions to this retard.

>>11906843
retarded mental gymnastics. kys ericfag.

>>11917050
consumers dont know what they want

Thinking of it now, Zeldafags back in the day were insecure. Anyone who wanted Link to be some hack n slash Character Action badass was retarded, which they finally got with Hyrule Warriors a decade later but that was a given due to the nature of everything in the 90s and the early 2000s being TOTALLY RADICAL and KICKASS (IE: juvenile). Idk if anyone prior to OoT and Smash Bros. 64 ever wanted the series to be that going forward.

Idk what Zeldafag's even want anymore in general when it comes to the presentation, but they certainly don't want anything akin to WW or SS and purists definitely don't want anything MM-tier experimental though they sure do love to ignore that LA exists hence never shitting on it or give a shit about exploration and puzzles.
Then again all they ever focus on is the combat anyway when the series from it's roots it never about the combat, so it's either they a mesh of OoT, TP and Dark Souls, but also DMC, except not really or Ys, so pick a goddamn lane already.

>>11917460
then why bother posting at all, fucking retard

>>11917572
I want Twilight Princess 2, locomotives & flintlock pistols, the triforce and princess zelda and ganon to take a backseat, survival and crafting elements, and lots of player customization. Dungeons are completely optional.

>>11917572
weird, like, the wording and picture implies you are laughing, but there are these strange spoilered comments that broke the natural flow of the text and seems more like a cry for help.

>>11917558
>i don't know what i want
It's all so tiresome.

>>11917558
Yes they do, they wanted what they saw in spaceworld

>>11918705
Because that was worth the bump.

>>11919152
It's the truth and Aonuma is a retarded fag

>>11919152
I should really get around to adding this to my filter

>>11919621
He may be retarded and he may be a fag, but it's still Nintendo's fault for putting him in a position of power.

>>11917624
Just play Red Dead Redditdemption 2 and shut up.

>>11919746
He tricked them making a good game with MM

>>11920636
Not close enough, but Red Dead is pretty good

>>11905918
>just a watered down beat-for-beat rehash of the game we refuse to stop talking about
The gameplay is very different lol come on now

>>11907636
You will never live in a white ethnostate

>>11917572
>the series from it's roots it never about the combat
>despite the first 3 games mostly being about combat

>don't want anything MM-tier experimental though they sure do love to ignore that LA exists
You're totally missing the point that people (rightly) hate the 'experimental' games like MM and WW for begin excessively tedious and repetitive, and not because they don't follow some 'formula' for what Zelda is supposed to be. Few people have issue with LA because it basically doesn't fuck up anything, it took the series in a more atmospheric, puzzle focused direction (which it wasn't prior to that despite your insistence otherwise) and did a decent job of that.

The irony here is that is fans of pre-N64 games that focus on cool the 'badass' Terada art (that had jackshit to do with the development of the games themselves) was and how much the series "should be like that", as opposed to how 'soft' the series seemingly became afterwards.

Best Zelda game. This is the game that developed Ganondorf into a complex and sympathetic villain.

>driven to move his people out of the barren desert into the fertile land of Hyrule
>fucked by the Gods and their chosen hero and sealed for hundreds of years
>tries to restore the land he loved in a modern age where the Gods chose to flood the world just to keep it from him
>attempts to persevere even when he knows destiny and the Gods have fucked him again

This is the greatest story Zelda ever had, brainlets won't understand

>>11922912
>totally hand wave away everything that happened in OoT
>all of a sudden Ganondorf is not so bad
>greatest story ever
Really, mate?

>>11922912
Sucks you have to be the goddess's little cuck, those bitches should have been the villains

>>11922912
>evil satan niggerman is actually... le good?
wow, how subversive! refugees welcome!

>>11905804 (OP)
>Aonuma: "Zelda is old and dead! Now it's Aonuma style!"

>>11922912
Shitposting aside this is still probably Ganon's coolest portrayal. I like how he's just a tired old man. Him even saying he didn't even care to kill Link, and just wanted his triforce power, was a nice change of pace. I also like how he loses his marbles and fights a pointless battle after the King's wish, basically just having a tantrum. And of course the whole setting the final arena and theme song. All around, fantastic. Too bad the fight is so easy.

>>11923064
>>11923216
I'm not saying he's a good guy, I'm saying his motivations are better fleshed out than just being a evil guy because. Obviously his actions in OoT were evil. Obviously bringing Hyrule back was a waste of effort. Obviously he kidnapped people and destroyed things. Thought that part of it went without saying

>>11923356
My favorite thing is that as soon as Aonuma started working on Zelda games, octoroks suddenly started appearing as giant boss monsters. What a funny coincidence.