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Anonymous No.11911127 [Report] >>11911142 >>11911145 >>11914197
Japanese retro gaming books
In Japan there's a bunch of these retro gaming "mooks" (Magazine book). I have a few and they're really nice to look through but they're kind of expensive and there's a ton of them. Does anyone here have scans of any of the books? I would really really appreciate it if you do.
Anonymous No.11911142 [Report] >>11911423 >>11916118
>>11911127 (OP)
Do they actually talk about NES games unreleased in Japan? That doesn't seem to be a common topic over there (including games made by Japanese companies like Konami who did a lot of western only releases).
Anonymous No.11911145 [Report] >>11911423 >>11914202
>>11911127 (OP)
Read through a couple, kind of garbage honestly, lots of inaccurate information, cheap quality, spelling mistakes etc., they're all just turned out quickly.
Anonymous No.11911423 [Report] >>11911460 >>11911548
>>11911142
It depends on the book. I have some that cover the full library of each console and those ones do talk about Western releases for games that weren't released in Japan. Believe it or not, there is an (extremely small) scene for the NES in Japan. There's also quite a few books on cancelled games like pic related.
>>11911145
Why do you lie?
Anonymous No.11911460 [Report] >>11911560
>>11911423
I'm not lying, tell me your experience.
Anonymous No.11911548 [Report] >>11911563 >>11916139
>>11911423
I'd be curious to see some Japanese opinion on NES games. I wonder if they feel like they got robbed by not having some of those western exclusives Konami games like Mission Impossible or Batman Returns for instance.
Anonymous No.11911560 [Report]
>>11911460
My experience is that I have 16 gaming mooks in Japanese from 5 or 6 different authors and they're all great. The print quality is great, the content is great, and the books are well planned and tayout is good. For the series in the op pic (the G-Mook perfect catalogue series) I have the books for Famicom, Super Famicom; Mega Drive, PC Engine, and MSX and those books especially are fun to read through because they cover literally everything.

So yeah, you're lying.

On the other hand, I do have some similar books from English publishers like those NES Works books and those are literal garbage.
Anonymous No.11911563 [Report] >>11911719
>>11911548
Wasn't Batman Returns on SNES? I'm pretty sure that was released in Japan.
Anonymous No.11911567 [Report]
>retro gaming mags
>they only discuss famicom
Anonymous No.11911719 [Report]
>>11911563
I meant NES Batman Returns which was planned for release in Japan but cancelled

There are like 13 different Batman Returns
Anonymous No.11911725 [Report] >>11914121
I bought this Sonic guide book
Anonymous No.11911727 [Report] >>11912498 >>11914121
Which ones do you recommend? I like this stuff.
Anonymous No.11912498 [Report] >>11914121 >>11915816
>>11911727
I own Family Computer 1983-1994 and it's pretty good, although I'd say it's more of a book than a mook (gonna be honest this is the first time I heard of that term). It has both Japanese and English language writing in the same book, though the English passages seem to not be 1:1 (They call Spartan X Kung Fu for example, so nothing blatantly false but still not exact). It contains info about pretty much every official Famicom game, down to the original MSRP with great photos and developer interviews sprinkled throughout. You can find it for around $50 on eBay if you look hard enough and I'm sure it's been scanned by now.
Anonymous No.11914121 [Report] >>11915957
>>11911727
It really depends what you like. The G-Mook series is my favorite.
>>11911725
That's completely irrelevant to this thread.
>>11912498
I have that book too. The developer interviews make it worth it, otherwise it's kinda lacking compared to similar books.
Anonymous No.11914197 [Report]
>>11911127 (OP)
good thread bump
Anonymous No.11914202 [Report]
>>11911145
wow theyre just like us
Anonymous No.11914248 [Report] >>11914306 >>11915929
there was some japanese porn gallery website where they also posted a lot of scans of regular japanese magazines/books. I lost it tho, but maybe some anon here knows what I'm talking about
Anonymous No.11914306 [Report] >>11915497 >>11915912
>>11914248
just found it on my own actually, it's e-hentai.
e.g.:
https://e-hentai.org/g/3206605/81875d2e2f/
https://e-hentai.org/g/3230771/a0b9a596c3/
Anonymous No.11915497 [Report] >>11915804 >>11915912
>>11914306
Holy shit thank you. There's a handful of mooks over there and also a bunch of magazine and guidebook scans. I never would have thought to check there!
Anonymous No.11915804 [Report]
>>11915497
Yeah, it's a great resource. I'm not sure why it isn't brought up on here more often.
Anonymous No.11915816 [Report] >>11915821
>>11912498
Assuming Japanese collector information is accurate, Spartan X was indeed originally released as Kung Fu in Japan, though apparently in very limited quantities.
Also, I remember getting that same book back when it was new. Around the same time I also picked up FamiComplete, which is a two volume compendium of every official FC release
Anonymous No.11915821 [Report]
>>11915816
Oops, it was the other way around, SX became KF:
https://www.akihabara-beep.com/8608/
Anonymous No.11915912 [Report] >>11916175 >>11918584
>>11914306
>>11915497
Context:

1. Some of these are stolen from amazon. If you pay for an account you can get a lot of free books with the program. Periodically people dump them.

2. A Taiwanese forum called Endless Fight scans an assload of books in 300dpi and their scans leaked a few years ago. I think most of the collection has leaked out. Some of their scanners have literally died as well.

3. People upload them to preseve them on eh and archive.
Anonymous No.11915929 [Report] >>11915937 >>11916175 >>11918584 >>11921463
>>11914248
There's a ring of Japanese media piracy sites ran out of Taiwan and the mainland, they don't scan anything but just steal everyone else's scans. Most of their magazines are just ripped from amazon's ekindle section wholesale.

https://x3dl.net/wp/category/other-magazine

There's also archive scanner guys:
https://archive.org/details/@xerulean-sands?page=2
Anonymous No.11915937 [Report] >>11915953 >>11915958
>>11915929
Crazy when you see the games that are considered "shit games" in Japan, like LSD.
Anonymous No.11915953 [Report] >>11915958
>>11915937
oh neat there's two Kusoage game books scanned. These are proper books, and a bit harder to navigate since they're so text heavy. Interesting that they consider Mr. Bones a kusoage.

https://archive.org/details/ultra-kusoge/Kusoge/
https://archive.org/details/super-kusoge-2/Kusoge%202/
Anonymous No.11915957 [Report]
>>11914121
>That's completely irrelevant to this thread.
u_u
Anonymous No.11915958 [Report]
>>11915953
They have that in common with anyone who has actually played it.
>>11915937
LSD may be a Kusoge, but it's still rare, so it's a very expensive Kusoge.
Anonymous No.11916118 [Report]
>>11911142
I have this book, and they do. This book does a better job at highlighting NES-exclusives than any American NES guide does highlighting Famicom / Japan-only titles.
Anonymous No.11916139 [Report]
>>11911548
Old issues of Famitsu would feature the overseas NES charts along with their own.
Anonymous No.11916175 [Report] >>11916187 >>11916196 >>11916204 >>11918584
>>11915912
>>11915929
Honestly, bless them. If it were up to japs, everything would be lost media. They genuinely do not preserve anything, and if they do it is at the "individual hoarding" level
Anonymous No.11916187 [Report] >>11916191 >>11918585
>>11916175
I try to find primary sources for any information I find surprising or otherwise consider important. Its very aggravating whenever I find a citation or a forum post that says "this information is from Famitsu issue XYZ" only for that issue to just not be on internet. Why are Japanese people like this?(rhetorical) No other country has this problem.
Anonymous No.11916191 [Report] >>11916205
>>11916187
Why the fuck do you expect everything to be freely available online? lol
Anonymous No.11916196 [Report]
>>11916175
It's "individual hoarding" to you because for some reason you have a mindset of 'what's mine is yours'. Not everyone has to be digitally compiling and archiving everything they own. I have a lot of things on physical formats that aren't widely available or even online, why should I take time out of my day to share it online? If I have a friend who is personally invested in the same thing, I might be able to so something to share it with them, but often times I can just do that in person.
Anonymous No.11916204 [Report]
>>11916175
It's "individual hoarding" to you because for some reason you have a mindset of 'what's mine is yours and yours is mine'. Not everyone has to be digitally compiling and archiving everything they own. I have a lot of things on physical formats that aren't widely available or even online, why should I take time out of my day to share it online? If I have a friend who is personally invested in the same thing, I might be able to so something to share it with them, but often times I can just do that in person.
Anonymous No.11916205 [Report] >>11916209 >>11916220 >>11916226
>>11916191
It would be nice to not have to wait 4 months for a book/magazine to ship across the planet so I can check it for a single piece of information that it may or may not even have. "If its at least decently popular, its on the internet" is the status-quo for every other county's gaming magazines. We're decades removed from publication, no one is thumbing through these for "hot new news" or whatever. They're primarily used for historical research, and I think research materials should be widely accessible.
Anonymous No.11916209 [Report] >>11916214 >>11916220 >>11916278
>>11916205
How do you think research was done pre-Internet?
Anonymous No.11916214 [Report] >>11916227
>>11916209
Leave the internet then.
Anonymous No.11916220 [Report] >>11916231 >>11916269 >>11916278
>>11916205
>>11916209
Anything you can find freely available online isn't really traditional research. Research means you potentially have to go to an archival library or another country in person.
Anyone who is researching stuff online who isn't doing that is researching very low hanging fruit that anyone with an internet connection could research.

If you've never gone to a real library or book/pc hobby store, I'm sorry? I don't know what to tell you, the whole human race doesn't sit around scanning old magazines and books all day in random languages that aren't English. Japan is not unique in this regard, you're not finding anything obscure in any obscure language online.
Anonymous No.11916226 [Report]
>>11916205
>Uses the slowest and cheapest form of shipping
You get what you pay for.
Anonymous No.11916227 [Report] >>11916278
>>11916214
Well done on not answering the question.
Anonymous No.11916231 [Report]
>>11916220
This 100%.
Anonymous No.11916269 [Report]
>>11916220
That's fair enough but... Famitsu is not obscure. Anon is specifically referring to low-hanging fruit.
Anonymous No.11916278 [Report] >>11916334 >>11916398 >>11918587
>>11916209
>>11916220
I know how to and have done "traditional" research. That is beside the point. If I want to verify a piece of information before haphazardly proliferating it and risking contributing to the endless sea of misinformation on the internet, I like to be able to do so quickly. Not all research has to be groundbreaking original work to be worth doing.

The full run of Nintendo Power has been on the internet for decades. The full run of EGM has been on the internet for decades. You can't even find a quarter of Famitsu, and I find that annoying. I know I'm not entitled to magazine scans. That doesn't make getting roadblocked by a magazine not being available less irritating.

>Japan is not unique in this regard, you're not finding anything obscure in any obscure language online.
Okay, my claim "no other country has this problem" is an exaggeration. Non-English languages are, in general, underrepresented on the internet. There's a lot of English stuff that is unscanned too. But I still submit that Japan has this problem much worse than other languages. There has been more than one occasion where I could find a scan of a Chinese bootleg translation of a strategy guide, but not the original Japanese version. If I'm looking for a magazine in a European non-English language like Spanish or German, I can usually find it pretty easily. Japanese stuff is a constant struggle.

>>11916227
That wasn't me, but I agree with that anon's sentiment. We live in the 21st century, there's no reason not to take advantage of 21st century convenience.
Anonymous No.11916302 [Report] >>11916336
Well since we're talking about other languages, French magazines here

https://abandonware-magazines.org/
Anonymous No.11916334 [Report]
>>11916278
>You can't even find a quarter of Famitsu, and I find that annoying.

>pull up an issue of Famitsu from 1986 on archive.org
>get to the Game Freak column famously written by Pokemon creator Satoshi Tajiri
>column illustration is blackface big-lipped unga bunga islanders chasing a hula loli in a bikini

Maybe old Japanese people are too ashamed of their sense of humor to be in a hurry to document it online for the world to see. Especially old Japanese people that are somewhat known in the west and have been getting in trouble for the classic manga blackface gag for 25 years.
Anonymous No.11916336 [Report]
>>11916302
Heh, I was randomly browsing and I stumbled on a cancelled game by Arcade Zone (devs of Legend, Iron Commando and Nightmare Busters for SNES). It says to be released early 95 so I wonder if they simply repurposed it into Iron Commando.
Anonymous No.11916346 [Report] >>11916365
Did you know?!

Donkey Kong was originally called Monkey Kong and the D was a spelling mistake.

I'm pretty sure they got that from up their ass
Anonymous No.11916365 [Report]
>>11916346
>2 stars
Pfft, Donkey Kong Country was a lot more créativité than Tommy François's shitty joke.
Anonymous No.11916398 [Report]
>>11916278
No anon I will not help you accelerate to a one world state.
Anonymous No.11916850 [Report]
https://archive.org/details/@mandelbaum376?and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22
Anonymous No.11917279 [Report] >>11917296 >>11917493 >>11923284
If you want opinions of Japanese people today about retro games, this wiki is useful. Interesting to see contrasting judgements.
https://w.atwiki.jp/gcmatome/pages/2.html
For example, Tower of Druaga is there consider a pivotal game, but it is unkown in the west.
https://w.atwiki.jp/gcmatome/pages/3215.html
Anonymous No.11917296 [Report]
>>11917279
Looking at the Dragon Quest 2 page, I had no idea the MSX version changed enemy encounters and had some tougher ones. Now I want to play it.
Anonymous No.11917493 [Report]
>>11917279
>For example, Tower of Druaga is there consider a pivotal game, but it is unkown in the west.

Yes, they hype it up in the Game Center CX episode on it, and even call the creator over the phone for tips.
Anonymous No.11918584 [Report] >>11918616
>>11915912
Is that the group who's scans got shared here a while back and it was full of viruses? How did they die?
>>11915929
Gotta bookmark this.
>>11916175
>If it were up to japs, everything would be lost media. They genuinely do not preserve anything, and if they do it is at the "individual hoarding" level
No, this is simply untrue. There is a very big preservation effort in Japan but the difference is it's through official means so nothing randomly disappears. For example the books we're talking about in this thread are published and you can buy them from book stores, those books preserve important information. And for old stuff like magazines, all of that is archived through the national diet library and is available for anyone to check it out for free. And if you can't physically get to the collection they will literally make photo copies and send it to you, it's fucking based. A while back there was a fag on xitter crying that the Famitsu review of OoT was supposedly lost media (which would be a big deal since it's very important in gaming history!) and then some Chad proved him wrong by going to the website of the diet library and ordering a photocopy of the review page lmao.

And FYI, they're preserving games too. They have been preserving new releases since around the turn of the century, and a few years back they started preserving retro stuff too. Certain politicians and groups have been working to find a fair solution for how this archive can be made publicly available similar to the other archives like books and magazines, but it's still ongoing. Until then, there are private groups just like there are in the west (and western groups have benefited majorly from members of the Japanese scene).

Eat shit and stop spreading that stupid-ass lie.
Anonymous No.11918585 [Report]
>>11916187
>Its very aggravating whenever I find a citation or a forum post that says "this information is from Famitsu issue XYZ" only for that issue to just not be on internet. Why are Japanese people like this?(rhetorical) No other country has this problem.
So you contact the national diet website and tell them what you're looking for and they will send you scans. If you don't know which page or article they will literally search for you and send you exactly what you want. This is how preservation works you retard.
Anonymous No.11918587 [Report]
>>11916278
>I know how to and have done "traditional" research
Than why didn't you contact the national diet library and give them your request?
>You can't even find a quarter of Famitsu
The national diet library has literally every issue in their archive.
Anonymous No.11918616 [Report] >>11918625
>>11918584
no
Anonymous No.11918625 [Report]
>>11918616
YES
Anonymous No.11918913 [Report]
retarded japan obsessed nigger weebs
Anonymous No.11920227 [Report]
Some of that series is on archive
Anonymous No.11921397 [Report] >>11922684
Does anyone know if the Konami game catalogues have been scanned somewhere? Like this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTFUP1KkUOM&t=548s

Sorry for the youtuber link
There only seems to be the 1992 one on archive
Anonymous No.11921463 [Report] >>11922595
>>11915929
>https://x3dl.net/wp/category/other-magazine

Goddamn, this looks like a gold mine but all the links are dead.
Anonymous No.11922595 [Report]
>>11921463
It's mostly just amazon kindle links. Anything you want re-uploaded ask here:
https://x3dl.net/wp/wp_wp-ad_request.html

A similal clone site:
https://www.a-zmanga.net/

These are just taiwanese middle men who steal links from Baidu or e-hentai and never actually scan anything. Periodically some mystery links will pop up every few years, which appear to be from a baidu site but can't be traced anywhere else.

A lot of the anons in the know like on /m/ know the actual scanners and follow their forums or weibo pages.
Anonymous No.11922684 [Report]
>>11921397
>There only seems to be the 1992 one on archive

That's it. If something is scanned someone has posted it.
Anonymous No.11923284 [Report]
>>11917279
The tl;dr on this is that the japanese have a whole different understanding of the history of RPGs, particularly action RPGs, as well as 3D games. We didn't have PC88 here so not only did we miss out on Tower of Druaga, but a whole generation of Action RPGs influenced by Druaga (most importantly Hydlide), as well as the first polygonal game people actually remember, Star Cruiser.

We also have this whole concept of WRPG/JRPG that they don't acknowledge. It's all just RPGs, and the genre encompasses everything from Zelda to Wizardry in different subgenres. What we call JRPGs are thought more of by the Japanese as Dragon Quest 2 clones. Whereas most Japanese people's exposure to RPGs was via PC games though, tabletops were way bigger than PC RPGs in the west until the late 90s, so we saw all those Japanese games as their own thing because they didn't resemble D&D. This problem was exacerbated by the fact that the Japanese spent the late 80s playing Ultima/Wizardry ports and most Americans were busy playing the shitass Gold Box D&D games.
Anonymous No.11924839 [Report]
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