Any played Yuzo Koshiro's newest ludo? It's a shmup for the Genesis.
ROM: https://files.catbox.moe/n0g03i.7z

>yuzo hackshiro

No, thanks.

>>11915262 (OP)
Can it be played on the smegma everdrive pro I have?

Now that the game has been extracted, I fear the possibility of Ancient making meaningful gameplay revisions to the game and LRG scrambling the rom harder so it couldn't be extracted so easily again, resulting in a situation where hundreds of pirates are playing the outdated release version, polluting discussions about the game online with complains already addressed in patched commercial release.

>>11915262 (OP)
Watched some gameplay of it, looked great. They pulled off the classic retro graphics really well that modern retro style games can never get right.

>Yuzo Koshiro's
Why do people act like he made the whole game, all he did was the music, some other guy made the rest of the game

>>11915317
He's literally the producer for this game and the composer. look at the game's credits the entire game was made by Makoto Wada, while Koshiro did the music

pretty fun, played it on my crt and mister and I now have a headache, we are so back

Yeah, it is pretty cool. I haven't beaten it yet because another game came out the same day. Seems easy at first because you have a shield, but it has a lot of bullets on screen and ramps up.

I enjoyed the soundtrack.

The game is mediocre, but looks lovely. I've been informed that exa arcadia (shou) is once again poisoning the waters in that their overpriced garbage that only 20 people will ever own is the definitive version of the game with a bunch of improvements.

Sigh. On the flip side, I don't feel a single tinge of guilt when I pirate games asosciated with such scum. Hoping someone dumps the fuckwad's whole catalogue honestly.

can I play this on my genesis classic or snes classic?

>>11915280
Simple solution: don't buy games and these loser devs will go bankrupt

>>11915676
Sounds counterproductive if you want more new games for retro consoles.

>>11915682
I don't. If people make them and they happen to be good games, then great, but I'm not going to lose sleep about it. There are enough good old games

yeah it's kinda fun

>>11915567
Who?

>>11915268
yep, works on my machine
>>11915317
https://x.com/yuzokoshiro/status/1772335836358660569

>>11915567
I especially love how that fag likes to parade around the idea that its "just like the heckin neogeo!", while ignoring the fact NG games got home ports and had a whole model of hardware designed just for the home market.

>>11915756
https://exa.ac/en/?v=0f177369a3b7 this garbage.

>>11915262 (OP)
Idiots hired Limited Run to make the cartridges and they had to delay the genesis version to 2026.

By then everyone who would want to play on console it will just run the ROM on a flash cart.

Hell, I bet there's going to be pirate cartridges in aliexpress any day now.

>>11915803
You don't hate Limited Run games enough.

>>11915262 (OP)
>Posts game title in thread this time because anons in the last thread noted that the title was an illegible mess.
Once again, buy an ad. Your poorly made title screen indicates a strong likelihood that other obvious poor design choices were made in the rest of your game (it's probably shit).

Also, obvious samefagging to shill your game is obvious.

>>11915809
>accuses OP of advertising the game
>OP links to a pirate ROM download

Just beat it, feels like the regenerating shields are a crutch for how much shit the game throws at you. There's just way too many cases where the game will throw bullets at you from too many angles unless you've got the exact sub weapon at the right time to clean house before things get too hectic. I only died once on Normal, but that should be a good sign how much the game basically relies on you eating some shit to keep trucking since I took 121 hits according to the endgame tally.

So, he lied?

>>11915814
I doubt OP is viral marketing but with that said, some devs do acknowledge that you can't fight piracy so you might as well use it for advertising.
I mean, without piracy retro gaming would be a super niche thing and this board would probably not even exist. The only reason we have online lists of every game ever made and youtubers making videos about this or that and wikipedia pages on every little thing and so on is because piracy made all of that very easy to do and made the hobby more famous and accessible which means more interest. And a dev would have to have his head far up his ass not to realize that, though it happens.

>>11915850
Yes

The little implication that it's yuzo himself posting on 4chan is really funny.

Where'd the slap fight sequel evaporate to? Loved that one, ahah.

>>11916036
Piracy is one of the greatest marketing tools there is, whether people want to admit it or not. It's also invaluable for content distribution and cultural preservation.

>>11915809
Yeah im real sure Yuzo Koshiro shit posts on /vr/.

>>11916396
Funnier things have happened.

>>11916036
I mean you'll have people saying ha ha ha what a shitty game but the same people piss themselves over trying to find a rom link, this happens here a lot. Fact is that games sell a lot more when you can't download the rom, just look at Paprium.

>>11915280
They screwed up not releasing the cart at the same time, by the time you can buy it most of the hype will have died down. I was going to buy the limited edition but with it seperated its sort of put me off, I'd buy it on steam but then its kind of pointless buying the cart and I'd prefer to extract the rom from the game myself. If I decide to buy the cart then I'd want to prevent myself from playing it until I get it in hand just since its such a special game. If they just had the rom like normal on steam I'd probably just get that and be done with it. I feel like they have just reduced the specialness of getting the cart, I think steam was supposed to be for mainstream sales but it seems like most of the people buying it just want to put it on a flash cart.
I feel Zpf was handled better, it was cool to get the cart without people going huh huh hur just use an extraction tool to then play on their lcd.

>>11916314
But not worth it if he never makes another game again, this should happen after a couple of years.

>>11916396
The beauty of 4chan is that anyone can post anonymously without a hoard of cancel culture idiots scrutinizing every letter of every word you type.

>>11916396
Bro is like 50 and nostalgia obsessed and speaks English, I wouldn't even put it past him.

>>11916408
>>11916448
>>11916510
He apparently will be at limited runs gay love-in event at their store, so maybe he actually does come here.

>>11915567
I actually found the music surprisingly lacking for Yuzoboy, I don't recall a single tune and most of it seemed to ape after games like Gradius... Agreed with your thoughts and >>11915838 about the game itself.

>>11915262 (OP)
If you like the game
Please buy the steam version or something, games great and I want them to make more

>>11915317
Ancient is literally his family's company

>>11915262 (OP)
>horizontal slop'em up
no thanks.
i'll still collect the rom.

>>11915850
Probably meant it's not designed to be easily copied out and used elsewhere as an actual feature

>>11915262 (OP)
Anyone get it working on 3ds? All I'm getting is a black screen

>>11915809
>buy an ad
This is literally a video game, you imbecile.

>>11916967
Which emulator are you using?

I get filtered hard at the 2nd half of stage 7 when it gets indoors

>>11917097
Pico Drive. Not sure if it's an emulator issue or if the rom I downloaded still needs to be decrypted

>>11917097
>>11917212
I should add that the winter demo plays perfectly

SHOOT THE CO-- I MEAN ATTACK THE CENTRAL UNIT!

>>11917212
it boots up on picodrive.
maybe update your retroarch?

>>11915268
Works on the Everdrive Pro, MiSTer, MegaSD, and most modern accurate Genesis emulators. I know it won't work on the cheapest Everdrive for Genesis because the ROM is too big.

>>11915280
Supposedly this is the reason the cart was delayed until 2026, but I would assume that the Steam and console versions will get those updates too. I also highly doubt they will care to try to put the time and effort (Not to mention cost) to to try encrypt the roms any further now that the game is out anyway, they know the interest in not playing the latest version isn't a big deal for pirates over playing any version at all. Also It's highly unlikely considering the game doesn't really make use of special hardware that the cart when that comes out will be in some sort of undumpable state. Has LRG ever even tried to make a game undumpable? I doubt they care, their whole shtick is running on FOMO and you either pre-order the game or you never get it at all since they do "limited runs".

I also highly doubt LRG is competent enough to "scramble a ROM" considering all their recent blunders.

>>11915298
You realize is basically is a retro game as it's just a Genesis title, right?

>>11915756
From what a gathered, a company that makes arcade cabinets and demands that their arcade versions of games have extra content/features/improvements that will be exclusive to their version and their version alone for life. Basically any game that is on their cabinets means that any version that is on any other system, even PC, will be gimped to satisfy their ridiculous exclusive improvements for life demands.

>>11915803
>Idiots hired Limited Run to make the cartridges and they had to delay the genesis version to 2026.
It's not LRG delaying it to 2026, the devs themselves are doing that to see if there is anything they need to patch in the game from people laying it on PCs/modern consoles now before making carts that can't be patched later.

>>11915814
Really goes to show how retarded the "shill!" "buy an ad!" morons like >>11915809 have gotten

>>11915850
>So, he lied?
Not really, there are many such retro games on Steam which basically just have a file such as rom.bin that is literally just the ROM in a normal format that you can toss in anything else, generally this is on purpose. Others will intentionally try to obfuscate this ROM to make it hard to extract, just about all the recent retro collections by major publishers do this like those by Konami or Capcom.

The Steam version has a file with the ROMs in it, but it's encrypted (supposedly) and people had to figure out how to extract the ROMs from it. Can't find a solid answer, apparently the person who figured it out (not sure if it's just one or multiple) won't say how to do it so you can actually legally dump it from your own Steam copy, yet the full set of decrypted/extracted ROMs is out there somehow despite this.

>>11916036
Again, it's retarded to think this is some sort of viral advertising campaign. The devs are Japanese, that place has a VERY anti-piracy and even anti-emulation culture, and Koshiro has said multiple times he isn't interested in just selling the ROM digitally. You really think he or his company staged some elaborate 4D chess scheme where they... pretend to be a pirate and release their game for free on a niche board of a niche has-been website? Retrogames themselves like this are very niche and the majority of people who would be interested would have already known about this game, I sure did long ago, and not from here. "Advertising" it, especially here of all places, and especially by releasing the game for fucking free, makes zero sense and you are an idiot if you think this is a secret viral thread.

>>11916314
Thing is, corporations don't WANT things preserved, they want things they would rather go away to be forgotten and things that people liked to only be obtainable in a way they say so, usually with limited and overpriced re-releases.

But yes, I agree that piracy is one of the greatest tools for preservation, and can even help with marketing sometimes, but 99.99999999% of the time it's not some secret viral marketing campaign but literally just straight up piracy.

>>11916446
>Fact is that games sell a lot more when you can't download the rom, just look at Paprium.
>Sell more
>Paprium
You just immediately contradicted yourself within the same sentence

>They screwed up not releasing the cart at the same time
I would say the bigger screwup is not offering any sort of digital ROM option. They said they want to delay it until 2026 to fix any possible bugs or make possible tweaks before making carts that they can't patch later, hence the modern version being released a year before, but they could still do that by having a digital ROM. By utterly refusing to allow for people to buy the ROM (and having LRG of all fucking people handle making the carts, how the hell are they still almost exclusively getting these homebrew cart producing deals after all the negative press in recent years?) they were really setting themselves up for people taking matters into their own hands on getting the ROM. I assume it's Japanese mentality of still not understanding modern times and their heavy anti-piracy culture that caused them to refuse to sell a ROM. They could have just bundled it with the Steam version (and in a way that is not encrypted or whatever).

>>11916726
Still planning to someday, just wish the Steam version came with an unencrypted ROM like many other such retro games I have purchased on Steam have done.

>>11917354
>You realize is basically is a retro game as it's just a Genesis title, right?

They've released it on many different platforms, not just Genesis. My point is, it's a game created in modern times that looks just like true retro games look.

That's significant because I've literally never seen any other modern 'retro-style' game that pulls off graphics like old systems had. Not even close.
All of them look as if they're very obviously new games and missing qualities that make the true retro games look really nice.

So I'm glad to see it can still be done right, and hope to see more.

>>11917431
Well that's what happens when Ancient as a team has been around since the hayday of these same games. They may be using SGDK stuff to accelerate and modernize development in ways old MD/Genesis devs didn't have back in the day, but running this on BlastEm, the fact that it's running as smooth as it does despite the sheer amount of parallax, sprites, bullets, color palette shifting for some environments and so forth basically inclines to me some really cool shit going on under that hood for optimized play. Besides the anime waifu having a somewhat more modernized design, if I showed this off to someone in the 90s it would've blown their minds and they'd swear it has to have the Sega CD powering it.

Too bad it's really more of a technical showpiece than it is anything I can call "solid" in game design.

>>11917354
>I also highly doubt LRG is competent enough to "scramble a ROM" considering all their recent blunders.
Ancient did it themselves, they want you to pay for the physical release.
https://xcancel.com/yuzokoshiro/status/1952100255211864388?s=19

>>11917431
>They've released it on many different platforms, not just Genesis. My point is, it's a game created in modern times that looks just like true retro games look.
>That's significant because I've literally never seen any other modern 'retro-style' game that pulls off graphics like old systems had. Not even close.

And my point is that it's literally running on an old system. That's like being impressed that Micro Mages despite being released in 2019 looks like an NES game and not like a "fake" NES game... because it's literally a NES rom running in an emulator, you can take the ROM file and toss it on an Everdrive on your actual NES. It deals with the same limitations that NES games had at the time, it's not even using mappers as the devs wanted to limit themselves to the original 40KB mapper-less NES games had to work under back then.

How would a game that is literally running on a Gen 4 system look like 'fake retro" exactly?

>>11917470
Doing that on a physical cart is a LOT harder than doing it on a PC release that is running a custom emulator though. Look at the mess that is Paprium.

Also
>Some people may think it’s official, but it’s not.
Who the hell would think a free download of the ROM is "official"? Again, goes to show the differences in mentality in Japan when it comes to things like this.
>The MD/Gen version will launch next year as a cartridge only. No downloadable ROM is planned.
Even after the ROM is out he's still refusing to sell one when many have been asking for one, that's just being hardheaded at that point.

>>11915760
It goes deeper than that. The guy originally was a top MAME contributor and helped with a lot of STG related stuff.
Then his quest for money began, he got license from Cave to do the exa business and did C&D on mame project for any new cave boards - because he was such a fag then someone leaked the SDOJ rom.
Also, he claims no one buys games on steam and that they would get less than 1k sales but games like Crimzon Clover sold 70k and Mushi sold over 55k and that's only from leaked Steam stats from 2018, so who knows how much World Explosion version sold even.

>>11917385
>I would say the bigger screwup is not offering any sort of digital ROM option
Yuzo recently said he's sad that people are pirating the MD ROM and that he plans to never release it digitally. It honestly sounds like he got some sort of a deal with LRG to make their carts more desirable (since instead of buying their overpriced garbage cart you could just pop in digital rom into Everdrive) or he's just that fucking oblivious and stupid to not consider putting the rom on itch.io or whatever to avoid the 30% cut.

>>11915262 (OP)
Was this released as FTP or are we pirating shit?

>>11917597
You didn't read a single post in this thread did you?

>>11917521
It's probably your former point wrt to LRG, but regardless, Koshiro has struck me as a sell-out and a gullible fool for quite some time.

>>11917470
>Cries that his game is getting pirated
>Doesn't want to release the ROM with the game, insist (you) to buy the physical cart (which is being handled by literal known scammers)
>He's probably going to pull a M2 in later updates (mess with the game assembly, so it only works with THEIR in-house emulator)
Japan was a fucking mistake

>>11917713
I love these loaded posts. You can tell they're really convinced in their views after second monitoring a video essay.

>>11917485
The pic you posted looks nothing like an nes game. 100% modern indie slop

>>11917485
Yeah I get that, I'm not trying to make an argument, lol. I'm literally just saying modern games that strive to look like retro games fail at it and should do what this guy did. That's it.

>>11917351
I'm using the standalone application because RetroArch runs like shit on my 3ds for whatever reason. It's up to date though. I'll install RetroArch and see if it's an emulator issue

>>11917713
I will end up buying an actual version of this game, this is Yuzo's personal project and making Genesis games in 2025 is real nigga shit, it wouldn't be right to pirate this honestly.

>>11917768
I will buy Earthion over ZPF simply for the fact that there isn't a gay elf with a faggy lisp who hits on you when you try to buy upgrades with his nipples protruding from his halter top

>>11917753
This has to be bait since it's literally a NES game, and one that is limited to the same 32K PRG and 8K CHR ROM limits that original NES games had before mapper chips gave them additional storage and features.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWQ0591PAxM

>>11917754
I hate those games that use 8 or 16 bit style pixel graphics, but have all sorts of modern effects like squishing and stretching the sprites as if it was a flash animation, Adventures of Pip comes to mind.

That being said though it's not really feasible for every indie dev making a retro-looking game to make it run on retro hardware, that's a big ask, especially for the really older ones where you would have to write them in assembly.

Some of them I think can do a good job, like Shovel Knight. Yes it definitely has some limits that it breaks, but it overall doesn't really feel fake or like it's cheating to me, at least in the base game, not sure about the DLCs.

>>11917813
Plenty of SNES games squish and stretch spites, as do e.g. GBA games

>>11917820
>Plenty of SNES games squish and stretch spites
Not like they're rubber.

>>11917658
He’s a retard for going with those faggots

>>11917813
That "slop"poster isn't baiting, the point was that the art style is supposedly wrong somehow, which is in line with what the other person was saying about new retro-style games not actually looking like old games. But yeah if it's a literal NES game that isn't relying on modern-hardware-in-the-cartridge tricks then that takes precedence, and only an especially slow person (e.g. someone who farts out the word "slop" over and over in order to fit in with the popular kids) can argue that it doesn't look like an NES game. The argument would be that it doesn't look like an OLD game.

>>11917820
>SNES games squish and stretch spites

I don't think those are considered sprites, from the programmer's perspective. SNES Mode 7 can only do that stuff with a single background layer, not with multiple sprites (or even one sprite). It isn't a powerful enough feature to be easily used in lots of highly varied ways, so it almost always ends up producing the same characteristic look. GBA has more freedom though, yeah.

>>11917385
>just wish the Steam version came with an unencrypted ROM like many other such retro games I have purchased on Steam have done.
It does, but I hope someone links a tool to decrypt the bin file

>>11917968
>He’s a retard for going with those faggots
who else makes them with that level of quality?

>>11917485
I liked Micro Mages a lot, to the point that I 100%'d it and bought the Steam version afterwards, but very few NES games used characters/enemies that were a single 8*8 sprite. This was unacceptable at the time.

Rugrats and Garbage Pail Kids, now those look like NES games that could have come out in 92-93 and 88-89 respectively

>>11917763
Picodrive libretto runs with some slowdown in hectic moments and imperfect audio. Guess I'll have to play on pc

>>11917813
>>11918217
No, the argument is that it's le epic retro faggy trash. I could make a dildo washing sim that runs on an nes but that wouldn't make it an nes game.

>>11918515
explain

>>11915814
/vr/ was always the lowest IQ board on here.

>>11918515
please do. I look forward to your dildo game, anon.

>>11915262 (OP)
How's ZFP?

>>11918515
>le

>there are people on this board RIGHT NOW who think a 60 years old from Japan is shilling his game on 4chan with a pirated rom link
How fucking braindead are you?

>>11918646
There's a gay elf with a halter top and his nipples poking out running the shop between missions that wants your cock. He tells you in the most lisping faggy way that he'll be waiting for you after the game is over. The art style is that faggy nuwestern anime shit and the tiny neon bullets blend in with the neon backgrounds for a lot of cheap deaths. I don't recommend it.
>Genesis shooters to play instead
Gleylancer
Eliminate Down
Gaiares
MUSHA
Thunder Force 3/4
Sol Deace
Zero Wing

>>11918684
Ah okay, so I will just pirate the Steam version if he has a problem with people getting the hacked Genesis ROM.

>>11918684
It's a retro game and they're not selling a way to play it on retro handhelds or flashcarts.
It's either physical cartridge on OG hardware, or PC/console releases only.

Of course this was going to happen. You can't have that level of control over the retro market.

>>11918684
I'll do both
I want to play it on MD and buy it

>>11918702
>There's a gay elf
>i dont recommend it

>>11918479
>>just wish the Steam version came with an unencrypted ROM

>It does
>hope someone links a tool to decrypt

Anon...

>>11918501
To be fair very few NES games supported 4 players, and even fewer supported it co-op instead of making it turn based. The ones I know or either only had the 4 players on screen and nothing else (such as R.C. Pro AM or Super Off-Road) or pulled off some insane tricks like managing to put enemies as background tiles. All of them AFAIK were larger than 40K though and had additional hardware on the cart.

>>11918515
>"If I make a game that runs on the NES it would not be an NES game"
Are you feeling ok? Unless you completely fake it like that Doom "port" did then yes, it would be an NES game. Just because you make a horribly shitty game does not mean it would not be an NES game, picrel.

>>11918684
Some people here have Chronic Shill Syndrome they're obsessed with the idea that every thread that talks about any product ever, in many cases even if said product is free, has not been sold in decades, , or is showing you how to pirate it, and it is actually some secret viral 5D chess shill thread by the dev. So obsessed they are about not "falling" for it that they become paranoid about every thread, thinking their hysteria makes them "too smart" to be tricked instead of just coming off as a deranged lunatic no matter how obvious it is that it's not a shill thread.

>>11918702
you weren't joking. the intro had a bunch of buff ass dudes that could pass as something vaguely tasteful like greek statues, but this is something else entirely

since the game got an update with some crucial fixes, are the updated roms already available as well?

>>11919117
What were the fixes?

>>11919130

>>11919137
>Earthon
He can't even spell the name of his game right?

>>11919145
Guess it's due to automated translation.

>>11915838
Honestly, Tyrian 2000 is free and has better music. Was really let down by this one, first Steam game I have refunded in years.

May pick it up again if the improvements they're making end up fixing the whole experience but time will tell.

>>11918702
>MUSHA
I get that we're mad at Earthion and ZFP but let's not say things we can't take back

That's kind of the core of all of Earthion's biggest issues though, it's designed as a console shmup and inspired by 8/16 bit console shmups which were always the C-string of the genre at that time

>>11919237
Havent played yugo koshinskys new game yet. But MUSHA is flawless. Maybe apart from the occasional sprite flickering. Anyway that game is pure art. There isnt anything in the arcade to rival its artistic and musical brilliance.

>>11919237
MUSHA is the kind of shooter that you have to let grow on you. I couldn't stand it the first several times I played, but if you keep going until it clicks it's pretty amazing.
>>11918941
The next set of levels has a gay robot cat nanny that bitches about how he can't afford better cat food if you don't give him money. I don't know what faggotry the third set of levels holds because I deleted that shit half way through Fagbot's lisping critique of my spending habits, but they're alien themed so I'm assuming it has something to do with vore and scrotal inflation

>>11915262 (OP)
Dead link.

>>11919137
Man, I don't want to go hard on this guy and make it seem like I'm some hater but half of this shit is could be found pre-release with just a basic sanity test. Nigger seriously forgot to se the Windows icon...? Changing basic screen setting crashing the game lol.
Anyway, not worth extracting the rom again until he fixes the unskippable cutscenes and improves color palette for debris, in certain stages they borderline have the exact color palette as the background like pic related.

>>11915803
>Hell, I bet there's going to be pirate cartridges in aliexpress any day now

Its taken 1 day.
You can get a repro box/cart/instructions all for 14 dollars

Fuck limited cum gaymes

>>11917385
Now if someone finds a youtube video about it the first thing that is mentioned is to look for it on archive.org and by the way you can't use anything from the steam version. I don't know if these people legit want the game to have good sales.
I somewhat get the impression they wanted to wait until after the cart version was released for you to be able to download the rom.

A ton of steam games have the rom like Cursed Legacy, Tanglewood, Jim Power collection, Asterbros.

>>11917768
I think a lot of us cope or wish that retro gaming is more popular than it really is

>>11919339
At the very least let players adjust background contrast levels, like a ton of modern shmups let you do. Just finished Hazelnut Hex and it was nice to be able to throw a little black on the background so that everything stood out more without having to alter the art direction beyond that.

The thing that frustrates me the most with this game is that so many little things are worse because of Ancient's insistence on selling a boutique FOMO cartridge at the end of all of this. Making this work on Mega Drive hardware is ultimately leading to a worse experience which is even sillier considering how much they're limiting access to the MD version to begin with

>>11919137
>Being able to skip the intro
>Enemy bullets easier to see

These were two of my biggest issues with it, hope this new rom surfaces somewhere.

>>11918941
>>11919325
How are you playing ZPF when it's not even out yet other than a short demo?

>>11919330
Old version is on archive

>>11919375
>I somewhat get the impression they wanted to wait until after the cart version was released for you to be able to download the rom.
Koshiro has said multiple times that he has no intention of selling just the ROM or making it easy to get.

>A ton of steam games have the rom like Cursed Legacy, Tanglewood, Jim Power collection, Asterbros.
You can also add Micro Mages, the Genesis collection that used to be on Steam, Rikki & Vikki, and Demons of Asteborg (though the latter two need a small header change) to that list.

Looking it up, there are a lot of games on Steam like that:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2678538760

>>11919501
ZPF has been out for a month or so. I'm not in the scene so either it was only sent out to youtubers or it's some kickstarter order fulfillment only so far.
I saw some guy on youtube play through the whole game, relatively small STG channel with a guy that looks like he's in his 40s but acts like a complete backwards cap zoomer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bryFdgAKmvE

>>11919137
>Adjusted three pixels in the second half of Stage 2
wut?

Haven't tried it yet, but most of these aftermarket games don't feel authentic where it's usually the graphics and gameplay that don't fit into a pre 2000 'setting'

>>11919501
Here you go fren https://archive.org/details/zpf-world
I gotta warn you though, it's not worth it unless you really want your retro vibes tainted with inclusive brown elf boys with erect nipples that call you "hon". And I really must stress that this isn't the cool kind of faggotry you see in a Chou Aniki, this is the annoyingly in your face why-cant-elves-be-brown-and-gay-it's-fantasy-dragons-aren't-real-either-chuddy nulotr variety. The one I can't find that looks playable is Daemon Claw by the asteborg guys so if anyone's got it please share.

>>11919578
This is one of the rare ones that takes you back. And the visuals and gameplay are top notch. Not quite TF4 but better than TF3.

>>11919582
I think this fag artist made similar characters for few other STGs too, I saw few ones on Steam, forgot their name.

>>11919590
I don't know if it's one artist or just the new trooner approved Steven universe from China style. Even the Asteborg guys bowed down to it and changed their portrait art from the based castlevaniaesque original for the neogeo release

>>11919390
How's the gameplay

>>11919582
Ok ok, I get it. You seem a bit obsessed about this. I saw the picture and it didn't seem that over the top. Retro games have had characters like that before, look at Hans from Bloody Roar. As long as the character isn't shitting pride flags all over the screen under a listing of pronouns while the game makes a big deal about putting the character on a pedestal I don't care. From what I understand they're just a shopkeep you see in a store between levels.

>The one I can't find that looks playable is Daemon Claw by the asteborg guys so if anyone's got it please share.
I thought that people were not able to get the ROM of that working yet?

>downloaded rom 2 nights ago
>get to 2nd stage before game overing
>resume playing today
>beat the 1st stage and screen just stays black
it's done this twice now. anyone else? no idea what to do.

>>11919780
A shopkeep that wants to suck your bone, hon

>>11919787
BTW, they seem to only talk if you purchase the hints, otherwise they say nothing. Also the third one you was so scared about is... a robot. An the fourth is a freaking TV screen with a generic face on it.

>>11919630
Fine, basically Cotton but gay.
But aleast has a hot witch as the MC.

>>11919780
>thought that people were not able to get the ROM of that working yet?
I was looking for that one a couple days ago. As far as I can tell it has been shipped to some of its backers but no one has dumped it yet

>>11919926
That robot is gayer than a JoJo villain. Just look at its posture. And I bet there is some gay subtext to the TV as well

>>11920190
>As far as I can tell it has been shipped to some of its backers but no one has dumped it yet
Huh, I heard that it had been dumped but nobody was able to get it to run on everdrives or emulators yet.

>>11919137
>>11920190
>>11920390

It's been released on Steam and for the EX Arcade platform, The rom (on archive) was extraxted from the steam release.

Since then v. 2.0.1 has been pushed to Steam, but that hasn't been extracted from the game.bin file yet.

>>11919339
>in certain stages they borderline have the exact color palette as the background like pic related.
Thunder Force IV has the exact same problem but everyone pretends nothing's wrong with it

>>11920195

>>11921021
Posts >>11920190 and >>11920390 were about Daemon Claw, not Earthion.

Also I know 2.0.1 of Earthion came out on Steam, issue is there is no public rom of it.

>>11921041

I have no idea about how one does this, but I'm working on it...

>>11921041
There is a python script you can use to extract the ROM files from game.bin file

https://www.emu-land.net/forum/index.php/topic,90515.msg1649945.html#msg1649945

Hopefully they did not change the encryption method in version 2.0 so it can be reused with it.

>>11921331
nope

This game has the stench of euroshmup about it. The ROM size is almost the same as Paprium (7.5 MB Earthion versus 8 MB Paprium). A reasonable Genesis ROM size back then was 1-3 MB, with 5 MB being on the high end for games like Super Street Fighter II, which of course had shitloads of sprite data.

>>11921331

Thank you. This should make my efforts considerably easier. Don't know any russian so that thread didn't show up when I searched.

Gonna try it out in a little bit.
>>11921475

As I understand it, this was primarily a production cost question for the developers when making the cartridges.
I couldn't find the original SMD pricing that was used, but I did find the production prices for Nintendo DS, a format not too dissimilar (except that game sizes has grown).

A big cart for DS was almost double the parts cost of a smaller one. This all had to be balanced with projected sales etc. to form a good profit margin.

My personal guess is that the production costs for SMD was quite a lot bigger than what the DS costs were. So the NHL titles came with shitty graphics and big stuff like Alien Soldier weren't that common.

Maxing out the SMD storage space isn't too expensive, if you can build a good board:
https://se.farnell.com/cypress-infineon-technologies/s29jl064j70tfi000/flash-memory-64mbit-70ns-tsop/dp/2750430

>>11921331
Seems like the script might need an update sadly, worked with the release .bin but not the Aug 4th patch

>>11921036
>Thunder Force IV has the exact same problem
Thunder Force iv has a lot of color palette problems. Including enemy projectiles being the same color as player projectiles. Aming other visibility issues

>>11921746

Seems like the meta data (file sizes, decompression byte sequence etc.) for game.bin is baked into Earthion.exe and not in game.bin.

I need to find where they existed in the first release of the game and then I need to dig out the new versions of that data and put it in the script.

Might take me a little while. Will post a working script when I have it.

>>11921937
Godspeed, good luck. I had a look myself but I wouldn't make heads or tails of what it's doing.

>>11921649
That's why SSFII, released July 1994 in the US, was able to get away with such a large size. Late in the Genesis lifespan, so cost had gone down a bit, and it was Street Fighter, guaranteed sales.

Shmups tended to hover around 1 MB, for obvious reasons - even the mighty TFIV was only 1 MB. Earthion 1 MB version would have to be gutted down considerably. Wonder if it'd even be possible.

>>11921986
Same, I know nothing about python or encryption. But from what I saw seems like the python script has some hard-coded offsets in it, and it uses these to split the bin into separate files then run lzma decompression on them? Not sure if it also performs some sort of decryption before or after (or both) after splitting the files.

I assume it no longer works because the offsets changed with the update. SteamDB says that the game.bin file increased in size by 111.52 KiB from the recent update (the exe also by 44 KiB) so the data likely got shifted around a bit. Course, for all I know it can be in completely different locations if it is encrypted in a way that moves everything around if a single byte gets changed.

Is this even encrypted at all or just the lzma-compressed data of several files all mashed together into a single file?

>>11921475
>The ROM size is almost the same as Paprium (7.5 MB Earthion versus 8 MB Paprium). A reasonable Genesis ROM size back then was 1-3 MB, with 5 MB being on the high end for games like Super Street Fighter II, which of course had shitloads of sprite data.

I don't really have an issue with this. Demons of Asteborg and Astebros for example were both around 15MB give or take a few hundred KB, and most people here like those.

>>11922056
>That's why SSFII, released July 1994 in the US, was able to get away with such a large size. Late in the Genesis lifespan, so cost had gone down a bit, and it was Street Fighter, guaranteed sales.
Though SSFII also required a mapper chip when almost no Genesis games had expansion chips on the carts (rather the opposite of the SNES which constantly had games with expansion chips on the carts) because the ROM size is beyond what the Genesis can address at once. Or to be more accurate, the Genesis could address 16MB at once, but it could only read 4MB from the cart anyway, so anything larger would require bank-switching like any NES game over 40KB used.

>>11922056
Could've been a CD game though, where memory is a non issue

>>11922091
Beats me, honestly. I think your hypothesis makes sense, or at least sounds the most likely. Better than anything I've got, at any rate.

>>11922112
So I suppose the real result would've been, if Earthion were released BITD, the game would've been split into two, with the sequel covering the later levels or maybe mixing them all up.

>>11922462
They likely would have just cut excessive graphics out to keep it's size down, or if it was later gotten away with a 5MB or maybe even 6MB cart. Or at most put some sort of compression chip on there for thr graphics.

I assume the 3D rotating images the ship does in the beginning/ending of some levels would definitely get axed, that probably takes a lot of space for just a 2 second neat little visual.

>>11922498

At the very least have a reduced framerate. That spin animation seems to be at 30Hz.

It's kinda cool. They used a 3D models for some of the ships and then drew pixel art on top of it.

https://x.com/AncientGames_JP/status/1840285925152305208

https://x.com/AncientGames_JP/status/1840250252710031674

https://x.com/AncientGames_JP/status/1938214683988943114

>>11922498
That alone wouldn't be enough to even bring it down to 4 MB.

>>11922509
>At the very least have a reduced framerate. That spin animation seems to be at 30Hz.
Keep in mind I made that gif at 25FPS so it might not be accurate to the in-game framerate of the animation.

>It's kinda cool. They used a 3D models for some of the ships and then drew pixel art on top of it.
So kind of like the way Prince of Persia rotoscoped it's animations? Except using 3D models instead of people.

>>11922521
>That alone wouldn't be enough to even bring it down to 4 MB.
I didn't say just that animation alone, just saying that it would definitely be one of the first things to go.

>>11922540

> So kind of like the way Prince of Persia rotoscoped it's animations? Except using 3D models instead of people.

A bit like the painting over technique, like it was done in PoP. If you extrapolate the work flow/idea you end up with fully automated sprite generation, like with Dead Cells.

https://www.gamedeveloper.com/production/art-design-deep-dive-using-a-3d-pipeline-for-2d-animation-in-i-dead-cells-i-

>>11921475
>Euroshmup
Nah dude it's up there with Greylancer and Gaiares. Top tier horizontal shmup. Not quite as beautiful as TF4, but better gameplay

>>11918941
this twink looks fuckable anon. I will be getting this game one day.

>>11922709
There's a dyke too!
>would


I will be buying ZPF after I get paid cuz it's actually fun.

>>11922709
>>11922730
>buy
t. ZPF dev

>>11922730
>Faggot diversity elf
>Gay robot cat daddy
>Turbo duke/shemale
So the whole game is just faggots and invisible bullets? Who the fuck pays money for this shit?

>>11922747
The game also features a lot of large female breasts for your liking.

>>11921986
>>11922091

It's not fast, but we're getting there...
I'm also trying to future proof this shit so that I won't be needed to do the update. You guys will have so much fun in Ghidra <3

>>11922498
in sgdk (what they used to code this) they have LZ4W support. wouldn't really need any extra chip, just free ram. possible they're already using something like that.. i'll have to pull apart the rom sometime. even then, if your tile data is complex there's only so much compression can do. ideally for megadrive it's best to just have one enormous rom with a mapper. specs of genesis are quite low and 68000 can handle the decompression stuff easily and usually pretty quickly, depending on the data.

>>11922498
in sgdk (what they used to code this) they have LZ4W support. wouldn't really need any extra chip, just free ram. possible they're already using something like that.. i'll have to pull apart the rom sometime. even then, if your tile data is complex there's only so much compression can do. ideally for megadrive it's best to just have one enormous rom with a mapper. specs of megadrive are quite low and 68000 can handle the decompression stuff easily and usually pretty quickly, depending on the data.

>>11921331
This Python script should work on the latest version:
https://files.catbox.moe/wmnzld.zip

>>11922749
If it was cho aniki gay with some 90s anime heavy metal tiddies I could get down with it, but it's that type of needlessly inclusive gay with the same faux anime style you see in furfag games so that's a no for me

>>11923117
Thanks anon
It works and the bullets are definitely more visible now

>>11923274
anon needs his cum gutters

>>11923335
Link?

>>11923498
Link to what?
Buy the game and use his link

>>11923498
There is no link apart from the script:
https://files.catbox.moe/wmnzld.zip

1. Place game.bin in the same directory as earthion-unpack.py
2. Open a terminal and go to that directory.
3. python3 earthion-unpack.py
4. See image... (bottom left corner)

>>11923527
Also mention that you need Python installed, which is something your average Windows user doesn't have.

>>11923648

Yes. Install python you dummies.

Maybe I was wrong in assuming that people here are generally a more tech-savvy than your average 4chan retard.


Anyway, the game is really good. Go buy it on steam if you haven't already. With these bug fixes, version 2.0.1 might just be the final one.

>>11923498
Here v2.0.1 https://www.upload.ee/files/18436618/_SMD__Earthion_v2.0.1.7z.html

>>11923808
Thanks anon!

>>11923808
>>11923527
chad

> that "encryption"
did they seriously believe this would protect them? xor tables and compression? really?

>>11923935
Well, did you do it?
That anon couldn’t even use the script

>>11923952
do what? i don't have access to the original encrypted rips to run the python script. i only have the decoded .md roms uploaded so far. i'm merely pointing out how unimpressive this protection is. it's like shit i would see back in the c64 and amiga days and software authors had same reaction as yuzo after it's cracked in less than a day.

>>11921649
Where is the sauce for this order sheet from Nintendo picture from?

>>11922742
anon-kun. I am not tied to the dev team. I don't know how to make a genesis game at all. I'm here to just play em.

>>11923527
running on retroarch, all the text strings in the option menu are garbled for me, and no version string?

You know, why this devs haven't figured out, that instead of making these games for old consoles, they should just make them for PC?

>>11923996
Yeah, it's a trivial protection and the PC executable has to decode the binary somehow, so that process would always be reverse engineered sooner or later.

>>11924089
It's a passion project dude.

>>11924065

mine fixed when I went to retroarch and reset the core (not just reset the game.) probably some misaligned data in the running cache from the old version

anyone know how to see version number in that Options screen?

>>11924065
>>11924243
Apparently even Steam users were instructed to delete some folder containing save data/settings when this update hit. The game was in Japanese mode for them if they didn't.

>>11923996
boo! Go buy the game.


>>11924019
It's from one of the development documents for the Nintendo DS. There's a website which has pretty much all the software tools and manuals for DS and DSi development. It even has the precise instructions on exactly how to structure the ROM and how to use + as the symbol and never write "D pad" in your game. All the things.
Google a bit. TWL is the DSi codename.


>>11924065
Saw you on Steam bro. Pretty sure you solved it, Mr. New Yorker.


>>11924243
It's the top secret "hold B" trick.
https://x.com/AncientGames_JP/status/1952926944435290272

>>11923117
Hell yeah, cheers

>>11917753
lol it is a NES game, I've literally got it on a cartridge

>>11923996
Gates are easily opened too anon
There’s a certain level of trust you should have that people do the right thing

I wish Ancient would make a game for MEGA-CD something that goes nuts with the sprite rotation effects as RayForce.

>>11924798
That sounds an awful lot like the BS Fonzie gets into

>>11924824
No unlike Fonzie i want it to use the capabilities of the MEGA-CD hardware and not enhancement chips

>>11924832
Pier Solar could use the MEGA-CD for better audio if you put in the soundtrack CD, and Paprium supposedly can use the MEGA-CD for enhanced enemy AI (I noticed when I put it in Blastem it tried to treat it like a CD game)

Course, it ended up being a shitty implantation that is doubtable if it even did anything, sounds a lot like how it would probably go.

Also Earthion is definitely going to need enhancement chips on the physical carts, the rom is larger than what a Genesis can handle, it will need a mapper.

>>11924845

>Also Earthion is definitely going to need enhancement chips on the physical carts, the rom is larger than what a Genesis can handle, it will need a mapper.

The rom is 7.5 MB. The MD has 23 address bits going to the cart:
https://www.retrosix.wiki/cartridge-pinout-sega-mega-tech

That's 2^23 = 8 Million addresses. But the console can only address every other byte, as the bytes are transferred (cartridge <--> CPU/RAM) in pairs of two (word size is 16 bit).
That means that with 23 address bits and 16-bit word size you can have access to 16 MB of storage without any extra chip nonsense.

Sure, the Mega CD *could* maybe have done some lifting. But I think they did the right choice and put their effort into making it be the best possible game for the stock MD hardware.

If you really want hardware shenanigans like that, get yourself Doom for the CD 32X. For Earthion that hardware support would been a lot of effort for almost no real benefit at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHtZBGQtxZ0

>>11924885
>The rom is 7.5 MB. The MD has 23 address bits going to the cart:
>https://www.retrosix.wiki/cartridge-pinout-sega-mega-tech
>That's 2^23 = 8 Million addresses. But the console can only address every other byte, as the bytes are transferred (cartridge <--> CPU/RAM) in pairs of two (word size is 16 bit).
>That means that with 23 address bits and 16-bit word size you can have access to 16 MB of storage without any extra chip nonsense.

That's nice math and all, but it's known that the Genesis cannot access more than 4MB from the cart at a time

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Genesis_Programming/68K_Memory_map/

You are looking at the Genesis's entire memory map, the ROM doesn't get to use all of 0x000000 through 0xFFFFFF, only 0x000000 through 0x3FFFFF.

Don't forget that Super Street Fighter II, a 5MB game, needed a mapper chip.

>>11924964
Super Vanilla on Genny only was 5MB because of them having the actual big ass intro sprite frames on Ryu for the Intro while the SNES just uses background layer tricks.

>>11924983
Not sure why you are arguing that point, I wasn't bringing up Genesis vs SNES or how inefficient the intro was handled or anything else like that, I was bringing up that ROMs over 4MB on Genesis needed a mapper chip.

Earthion is 7.5MB, unless they manage to trim/compress nearly half the game's data they are going to need a mapper chip when they publish a physical cart.

>>11925008
Demons of Asteborg was a 16MB aftermarket Mega Drive / Genesis ROM, and this is apparently the board they used. Couldn't say what the chips are though.

There's plenty of Retrobit Mega Drive releases, and they've frequently partnered with LRG for Genesis releases.

>>11925036
Yes I know, Astebros is 16MB too. They also both require a mapper. Even that Titan Overdrive 2 tech demo requires a mapper, it flat out says "This emulator does not support SSFII style bank switching" if you load it in an emulator that does not support mappers.

Again, not sure why you seem to be bringing up some unrelated things like partnering with LRG.

What exactly do you think the argument is here? I was just saying that Earthion cannot be put on a physical cart without a mapper chip, in response to that one anon who said it would have no enhancement chips on it, unless they manage to someone trim the game down to 4MB.

SSFII used a mapper, Pier Solar used a mapper, the Overdrive 2 tech demo used a mapper, that Xilinx chip on that Demons of Asteborg cart is a FPGA that is almost certainly being used as a mapper if not for other tasks too. (That RAMTRON chip is a FRAM chip which is pretty much guaranteed that it is being used for save data, Sonic 3 also used a FRAM chip).

AFAIK no physical Genesis game over 4MB was able to get away without using a mapper.

>>11925116
LRG's not exactly unrelated here, they're likely to be handling the Genesis physicals for the planned 2026 release.

Still, I brought up the Asteborg board because I wanted to learn more about things, I'm not contesting that Earthion's gonna need a mapper.

>>11925128
most likely that xilinx FPGA chip is acting as a mapper and other things

>>11925116
I think it’s not really a problem right now but back in the day I’m sure they would optimise it more to fit within cart specs, it’s just not necessary anymore

>>11925163
Well yeah, nowadays you could affordably make it gigabytes of space of you wanted to. Just saying that you can't do it without bank switching.

So what is the problem with DaemonClaw? Demons of Asteborg Collectors Edition is also missing. It appears to use an accessory rom to launch the new game mode.

>>11924964
>That's nice math and all, but it's known that the Genesis cannot access more than 4MB from the cart at a time

Well, technically, the Genesis internal hardware is mapped starting at 0xA00000 so cartridge ROM could go up to 10MB without mapper if Sega CD and 32x are not connected, providing the cartridge does its own address decoding (usually, cartridges directly use /CE0 signal that is set by the console when reading/writing the lower 4MB area).

>>11925546
As usual, someone with the right dumping equipment need to get access to the cartridge first. I think Daemon Claw was only sent to Kickstarter buyers for now and is pre-order only atm. No idea about the other one, didn't knew it existed.

>>11925716
Or just wait until the digital version comes out

>>11915567
A Chinaman will hack it eventually. And on that day the tards who paid $5000 to buy into the system will realise their gear is worthless. After all it's just a cheap PC with flash drive games, it can't be that hard to break it.

>>11916726
I would have bought the Mega Drive version but they're such fucking retards they've forced people to pirate it to play it

>>11927137
What the fuck were they thinking making the physical release a year away?

>>11927142
probably to use steam to make some quick money off it and prayed to god that nobody would be smart enough to rip the rom out of the steam release. roll your own software encryption always ends badly, especially when it's just some shitty xor tables and compression.

>>11927158
Sounds more like they were hurting for the money to actually produce the carts so they needed to make some back.

Idiots.

>>11927142
To make sure all the bugs are patched out so you don’t get a bogus version

>>11927164
something like that, anon. after i saw yuzo's tweets about people copying his roms, the steam release (was unaware that was going to be a thing until i saw it here a few days ago, assumed it was only going to be cart only), something isn't going to plan, money wise, for this project.

>>11927180
So wait a year and release everything at the same time.

>>11927180
>To make sure all the bugs are patched out so you don’t get a bogus version
there's these people you can hire, some times for free, called "playtesters". two words combined into one: play and test = playtesters. now why in fucking hell should paying customers be PAYING to beta test his software? what dimension did i wake up in this morning? no faggot. if you want to release software, you test it, and on many different configs and versions of system. you make sure it works 99.9% (100% is asking too much when it comes to software) and then you sell it. not a complicated process to understand.

>>11925706
But price would be expensive up the ass

>>11927180
They could have easily just released the exA version a few months early if that was the genuine intention.

>>11927203
wouldn't be too expensive in bulk amounts using 2025 tech. could probably make a better mapper than the ssf2 mapper as well to bank crazy amounts of rom in and out. problem is you'd need thousands of carts to make a profit but god damn that rom would be fat.

>>11927229
Ancient is making the Mega Drive version.
Bitwave made the Steam version.
exA is a completely different dev team making their own version of games. They just buy licenses they think will sell and make their own spin on it, completely unrelated to the MD version.

>>11927203
Well, if you are going for a game larger than 4MB anyway, it's less expensive than using small FPGA to implement SSF2 mapper (only need a few discrete address decoding chips). The only downside is that it won't work with Sega-CD or 32x connected as they use the areas above the 4MB cartridge area, which is probablh why retail games use a mapper instead.

update...?

Using the TOP SECRET trick "hold B when you enter the options" shows that I'm still on version 2.0.1.

My guess is that they're just trying to work out some problems with the emulator/control/visualization layer.
Or they forgot to bump the version string inside the ROM...

>>11927270
SSF2 mapper can in theory access up to 128MB ROM (256 x 512KB) so it looks good enough already. Neofid games use it with 16MB ROM chips and they don't even use the whole size.

>>11927387

Did a checksum (MD5) on all the files and the files before and after this update are exactly the same.

Anyone knows how steam works? Howcome they send out an update for a few kB when none of the game files gets changed? What's this about?

>>11927142
Their official statement is to wait to get user feedback on the PC/modern console versions before making a cart that can't be patched. Not sure how true that is, but they did release an update that fixes a few of the complaints people were having, such as enemy bullets being hard to see.

It could also be some bullshit that has to do with EXA and/or LRG's licensing, it's possible they are taking advantage of him being a well known developer to put his hyped retro game through the ringer for their own gain. From what I understand LRG already delayed the modern console release to the end of this October.

And like another anon suggested he could also be hurting for money to continue producing it hence why releasing it on Steam first.

Though a more cynical view could be that it's to try to make people more likely to double-dip. I would assume people who are into this would be more likely to guy a physical Genesis cart after having bought it on Steam/modern consoles than the other way around of having bought the cart first and then buying it again on PC/moderon consoles, or buying both at the same time.

Regardless the reason, unless it is due to EXA/LRG screwing him over with contract terms it was very ill-advised move to release it on modern platforms first and not include/offer an option to buy the ROM.

>>11927387
I don't see anything on SteamDB, nor any mention of patch since the 2.0.1 one on Steam. Are you sure your Steam client didn't just simply download the patch now? It tends to auto-schedule downloading patches, sometimes weeks away.

>>11927604
>I don't see anything on SteamDB, nor any mention of patch since the 2.0.1 one on Steam. Are you sure your Steam client didn't just simply download the patch now? It tends to auto-schedule downloading patches, sometimes weeks away.

Yes I'm sure. I got 2.0.1 and did the ROM extraction myself. That's why i did an MD5 check on Earthion.exe and game.bin first, but they are the same as the were before.

311kb? What can it be...?

>>11927624
Nobody on the Steam forums is talking about an update, though if it literally just hit an hour ago that's understandable. Could always just be some supporting files, or even something like a licensing document they have to include.

I've had games before that suddenly got a tiny update after over a decade, but it turns out to just be some updated EULA or a patched DLL that had a security issue or something that the publisher was putting in all of their games no matter how old.

>>11927624
You should be able to check the files and sort by latest date updated files
It could’ve just been a steam file update

>>11915262 (OP)
Man
The EXA version pretty different
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ__ts-y0Ps

>>11915262 (OP)
>custom emulator that violates gpl.
And it turned into a pile of shit in seconds same as paprium and thd secret of the four winds.

>>11928112
It runs perfectly on mega ED without any patches or firmware updates

>>11928112
>t. retard

>>11923808
Based anon delivers

>>11924503
Nta but I beg to differ. It's a new game designed to run in the nes. And I say this as someone who owns both games

>>11924789
As soon as a reasonable level of anonymity is guaranteed all those social mores go right out the window

>>11928112
You very clearly haven't played the game. This is easily a top 10 Genesis game. Top 5 if you really like shooters.

>>11928337
It's running on the NES, there is no fudging it by having it be running in Unity on a PC and just trying to make it look like an NES game, it literally IS an NES game. There are no special enhancement chips that are making it do things you could not do back then. It's not even using a mapper chip which the majority of NES games did.

That anon trying to claim that it's "nothing like an nes game. 100% modern indie slop" is asinine, it's literally an NES game that could have come out 40 years ago.

>>11928053
>over $1k because you'd have to order what amounts to an arcade machine to get to play this version
jesus fucking christ

>>11928752
Just like back in the day with the NeoGeo

How do you get the final boss to talk to you? I've beaten the game three times in normal mode without passwords or continuing and it doesn't happen. It just tries to kill me.

>>11928369
It's modern indie slop that runs on an nes

>>11928752
I'll just play it on mame when it gets dumped

>>11928053
Easy romhack. I'll make it if no one else does once we get the final version

>>11928925
I don’t think brand new audio and graphical effects is an easy romhack

>>11928905

stop shitting up the thread you fucking mongoloid

>>11928908
Does mame even support that system?

>>11928943
He's right though, that game would _never_ be released back then. Its modern slop that just happens to run on a nes. There is nothing authentic about it.

>>11928908
>he doesn't know

Sorry, I didn't read the entire thread. I wanted to hear from people who have a lot of experience with shmups what they think of this game.

>>11928905
It's an actual NES game, cry some more.

>>11928908
Ah yes, the mame dev team, the people who 20 years ago said they won't add games that are less than 10 years old and to this day still don't add games that were 10 years old on that date...

But perhaps at this point that's for the best since the emulation of any arcade games they have from after 2000 is total crap. Too busy getting another Indonesian bootleg of Donkey Kong or adding support for another console nobody asked for had already been emulated on standalone emulators decades ago I guess.

>>11928176
>runs fine on my thousand dollar cartridge.
Yeahh KILL YOURSELF!! you didn't have an argument from the start.
>>11928184
Sorry for not wanting to use bloatarch but i won't download or waste 2 GB of space on a shitty overbloated emu just to run a simple game that isn't as impresive or good as something released in the 1990s.
>>11928354
And any time some mentioned that here it turned out was shit, love shmups but can this compare to modern shmups? I doubt it but lowering the bar, can this compare to 1990s releases? Well nope.
This is why the developer is so worried inspecting this thread (just by seeing his post on twitter is clear he is checking this thread) and why would he do that is simple to take down any cracked rom that can run on any emu in case someone does it, but everyone is too retard that will rather violate gpl instead of crack and patch the rom to be played on any emu either mednafen, hygan, bizhawk, gens32, genesis plus gx and so on which is what any boomer will do instead of zoomies crying "it isn't original rom buaaaahhh, don't modify it guaaaaahhhh!!!".

>>11929307
My guess is you are from exa still butthurt they didn't remove samurai spirits zero, rage of dragons, breakers revenge, demon front, daraku tenshi and so on that you had as releases.
Mame is great!!

>>11929339
>>11929350

>>11929350
.... what?

>>11929339
I wonder how one can live with so much anger for everything. Must be really painful and titing, have you considered getting some meds... or killing yourself?

>>11929339
>just by seeing his post on twitter is clear he is checking this thread)

Lol... as if it was the only place on the internet where the pirated rom is being discussed

>, but everyone is too retard that will rather violate gpl instead of crack and patch the rom to be played on any emu

What the hell are you on about ? The rom is using an official mapper that is already supported by most emus.

>>11928908
EXA is literally just a windows machine it's just the games are encrypted

>>11929339
>Sorry for not wanting to use bloatarch but i won't download or waste 2 GB of space on a shitty overbloated emu just to run a simple game that isn't as impresive or good as something released in the 1990s.

No retard, it's actually just a regular megadrive binary file you can just play in any emulator, flashcart, or mister. There's no special garbage involved with it like Paprium where they are using hacks and the music is MP3s

>>11929632
>>11929654
I think that anon was talking about Paprium, and whatever the hell Secret of the Four Winds is.

>>11929658
Did you not read my post? I Covered that and he was comparing Earthion to Paprium, hence he's a retard.

>>11929652
> it's just the games are encrypted
how are they encrypted? can they be extracted to run on any pc?

>>11929727
I dont know, i'm not dropping the cash to find out, but it's similar to the taito X2 and X3 that were just windows XP machines with some sort of encryption on the games

>>11929894
>not dropping the cash to find out
i wouldn't either. overpriced pc just for one game? no thanks. but i am interested in finding out how shit this encryption is.

Does the game actually save anything?

>>11929307
I see the "why doesn't MAME make this work instead of doing this other stuff" complaint all the time, but it doesn't really fit the project. MAME is just volunteer work, and people work on whatever they want whenever they want. If the work to add Indonesian Donkey Kong doesn't happen, that doesn't mean some other thing will happen instead.

>>11930221
If playing games doesn't really fit the project they can go fuck themselves, complaints are well deserved.

>>11928943
>>11929296
I'm sorry no one bought your modern indie slop, but please go shill it elsewhere. We are discussing Earthion in this thread.

>>11930221
When the final Neo Geo games were being released (SNK vs Capcom, Metal Slug 5, Samurai Showdown 5) the dumping had a convention of not releasing any dumps until at least 18 months after game release.

A sort of silent deal:
> We like your games but we want them to keep coming out, so we won't fuck too much with your business model.

>>11928774
The NeoGeo was an interchangeable cart and board system, to the point of being able to slot in multiple games to a single board with some later revisions if I remember right. This is paying out the ass for a fairly average, style over substance shmup, some better voice samples and an altered game mode, instead of just paying $20, dealing with LRG's crooked retardation for a physical cart, or pirating the rom.

>>11930438
> The NeoGeo was an interchangeable cart and board system, to the point of being able to slot in multiple games to a single board with some later revisions if I remember right.
Yes, it’s the same thing, it’s just that everything is x86 now

>>11930768
I'm looking up Exa now and jesus, they really did go for a ton of different indie games, didn't they? Feels dirty to even have bought Blazing Chrome knowing these fucks got an exclusive character and soundtrack.

>>11931269
Any retard paying $2000 for shit like blazing chrome, battle princess madelyn and gimmick deserve to have their money taken

they're nothing more than steam games slightly modified, it's collector whales keeping them afloat

>>11931271
This, a fool and his money etc etc

EXA will eventually implode.

>>11931271
>Any retard paying $2000 for shit like... ...gimmick

People are already paying that kind of money for the NES version. You might as well pay the full price and get the fancy version.

One thing you should know about arcade games like this is that for collectors the second hand price isn't *THAT* much lower. It's sort of like pinball machines. You shell out big money for your first one, but after that you sell your game and pay pretty much the same for the next machine you get.
Arcade titles drop in prices a bit more than pinball machines, but not as much as one might think.

To prove my point I searched for the Metal Slug clone Demon Front on ebay. Goes for 200+ USD and that shit got released in 2002.

>>11931303
It's gimmick 2. Not the original, this is an indie game made recently. It's $1600 on exa.

You don't have to educate me on arcades and the market, I own several arcade PCBs I bought throughout 2008 to 2016 before prices got ridiculous.

This is a completely different scenario where you have games made on an x86 platform on windows, getting some (minor) additional content added to them and just being sold on the platform.

It's nothing but collectors buying this shit. The systems work with JVS, there's not a lot of arcades in Japan being run anymore and they certainly aren't playing indie Steam games.

>>11915262 (OP)
Interesting that Exodus emulator doesn't load this game properly but the mister does.

>>11931274
>EXA will eventually implode.

I wish this were true, but for some reason ripoff companies like this tend to thrive while far more deserving ones tend to fail. Wata would have died long ago, preferably with a lawsuit that bankrupts them, years ago if this was the case.

>>11931351
>Interesting that Exodus emulator doesn't load this game properly but the mister does.

It's an emulator that was last updated in 2018 and then dropped, with the author claiming he restarted development over a year ago only for crickets since. On top of that, it does not support mappers, so even the ancient Super Street Fighter II does not work.

Not at all surprising then, I don't expect any game over 4MB to work in Exodus the Overdrive 2 demo even gives that error message that the emulator does not support bank switching.

MiSter however has supported bank switching, and Earthion other than using the same mapper in SSFII and Neofid's games has no other special hardware, so it's not a surprise that it works on there, or on any flashcart that also supports mappers and ROMs over 4MB.

>>11930264
they don't wait x amount of years to "dump" anything. it's about support within mame itself for that particular rom dump.

>>11931307
>It's gimmick 2. Not the original, this is an indie game made recently. It's $1600 on exa.

You're just wrong here. Gimmick EXA is a remake of the original with fance new graphics, sound and a credit system. Just look, this is the first game with fancier graphics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg7OXBM_knU

>This is a completely different scenario where you have games made on an x86 platform on windows, getting some (minor) additional content added to them and just being sold on the platform.

I would say that the big part is that maes it possible for them to do business is the ability to have exclusive content on the system as well as the copy protection system.

Could someone review the game?

>>11931972
It's kinda sad that all the exclusives on it are kind of based
I hope someone emukates it eventually

>>11932371
Honestly I don't see why it can't just be a Steam release, eventually.
Other than the grift of selling what should be a $10 digital game, as part of a very expensive hardware bundle.

Howzit goin guize?
Anyone done a 1CC yet?

>>11928774
The Neo Geo didn't cost $5000 for one game. And it wasn't crap hardware and flash sticks.

>>11934698
It sure as fuck did

>>11934720
Uh huh

>>11934698
Yeah it's fucking crazy when even exA developers compare themselves to NeoGeo on how affordable they are.
The system had $250 - $350 price range carts, so even with le inflation caluclated in (even despite memory, chips being quarter of the price compared to 30 years ago) then that's still ~$850 when exA's cheapest carts are $1.5k to $2.5k range.
They often do those unfair comparisons to cabs that had shitload of enginnering, like yeah, no shit the R360 rotating After Burner 2 cab cost like $150k, but it's different in both enginnering and build cost over a fucking gtx1650 computer with custom Windows branch and a flash card reader.

>>11934868
>wholesale
Anon, I…

>>11934898
No one is saying it’s not a rip off
I’m just saying that the NeoGeo was also a rip off

>>11934674
Yes, the game is very easy, kind of disappointing actually that they were too afraid to make a proper difficulty because of accessibility like most modern games now.

>>11935029
You can't compare them. All arcade hardware was similarly priced as the MVS and at least then they had reasons for the price with everyone using their own custom hardware they developed. The large storage those carts and boards could have were actually costly.

The Exa is using an x86 machine and none of their games are pushing any graphics boundaries, a laptop could run this shit. Those tiny carts they have are not costing them much to make. They are simply charging a gigantic premium by making their slightly modified indie games exclusive.

It's walled garden shit.

>>11934898
I agree with you, LondonBoobs.

>>11935171
Shit, I can't even clear stage 5 yet. I messed around a bit with the password system, but not much.

Have you tried playing on the higher difficulty?

Demons of Asteborg Collectors Edition. Judging by the rom size, this is just the menu with a new game mode and the extras. AFIK, the cartridge has a fpga(?) to handle this and the actual game rom.

https://limewire.com/d/B79UU#RYv3TEyNTr

>>11936365
I think Astebros is a lot better than this one
This one feels oddly floaty

>>11935029
Bullshit. Mask roms were expensive in the 90s.

Have they compressed the ROM to work on an X5 yet or do I really need to buy another Everdrive?

>>11938941
>compressed the ROM
That's not how it works, you can't just pkzip earthion.bin and run it like that on a 35 year old console. I highly doubt the data isn't already compressed.

The game also uses up nearly the entirety of it's 7.5MB ROM, I doubt anybody is going to care to go into it and trim out 0.5 MB from it so it can fit on a X5 when most people will be playing it emulated, the actual cart, on a MiSTer, or on a Pro/MegaSD flashcart. The developer sure as hell won't since he will need to use a 8MB chip for the physical carts anyway and does NOT want people to have just the ROM, and it's ROM size sure as fuck isn't going to matter for the PC and modern console versions, especially not reducing it by a mere 0.5MB.

Basically, I highly doubt anybody is going to try to do it for the people who still have a X5 and have not upgraded yet, since the X5 also locks you out of many other homebrew games like Pier Solar, Paprium, Demons of Asteborg, and Astebros. Likely the upcoming DaemonClaw as well.

>>11938998
> I highly doubt the data isn't already compressed.
i think that's what anon actually means. got it open in a hex editor, hard to say what i'm looking at is compression or bloat by SGDK.. but then there's massive chunks of the rom that are all zero'd. for example: 0x286710 to 0x300000 .. 497kb or something of nothing. at 0x300000 the music driver is located. i assume it's related to their banking scheme. a lot of wasted space but not unusual with carts using banking.

>>11940158
I've seen zeroed areas in many ROMs when looking at them through a hex editor, not unheard of. The fact that you said it's not uncommon for bank-switched ROMs makes me wonder if it's just how the data needs to be organized for the bank switching to work. It needs to swap in chunks of data after all, I don't believe it can map specific random data to specific addresses.

IIRC the game also already uses a compression library too, so it's unlikely the game can be compressed further in a playable state without having to remove content.

(Not to mention even if you could, this makes one game playable and there are still many others that would not be able to be compressed enough to fit in the 7MB limit of the X5, good luck doing that to Neofid's 16MB games)

>>11940171
>makes me wonder if it's just how the data needs to be organized for the bank switching to work
yeah. the banks need to be aligned so if one bank isn't completely filled you just calculate the length between end of your data to next bank and fill it with nothing.

I saw a review yesterday and the guy says that some aspects of the game resemble a euroshmup, such as being able to get hit dozens of times and still finish the game. What do you think?

>>11940541
some things reminded me of project x, if only briefly. only thing i don't like about earthion is the background graphics range from extremely mid to great. and the extremely mid ones (like stage 2- i think) makes it kinda hard to see.

>>11938941
>The year is 2025 A.D.
>Pirates are still having to resort to removing content from games to make them fit on their media

>>11940630
Only the ones cheaping out
>Brags about buying the cheapest and likely even bootlegged on aliexpress version of a flashcart possible
>Wah wah some games won't work on it!

>>11940747
im certain they're the same kinds of people that buy SD2IEC for the commodore 64 and are shocked to discover that it doesn't emulate the 1541 drive.