Nintendobros?..

It's over... I will now stop liking mario kart 64...

That's impressive for a 32x game

no...

Virtua Racing Deluxe has flat shaded textures and doesn’t have analog controls which it sorely needs for playability even though After Burner and Space Harrier both had it.

Hmm seems as real and correct as the Bible. 2.5D Mario kart 64 huh. Believe it or else

It's never been more over

>>11916751 (OP)
>Mario Kart by Nintendo knew its console's features and limitations and built their games around them, keeping strong attention to those standards.
>Their games performed EXTREMELY well, and were very highly rated by professionals. The audience that purchased them were very satisfied.

>Virtua Racing Deluxe and other 3rd party developing companies just wanted to push push push in every way as fast as possible. Mostly, the games suffered performance and rated poorly.
>Still-shots piqued interest for very brief moments, and then all interest was lost shortly thereafter.

nintendo devs can't code to save their lives.
so they take dumb approaches and shortcuts whenever they can.

>all the world's problems have been solved
>so we're left measuring the angles in old video games to see which has 100% accurate perspective

>>11916751 (OP)
And yet Mario Kart is one of the best selling franchises on the planet and nobody even knows what the other one is. NintenGODS win again.

>>11916787
one is a game that had to maintain playable performance when 4 players were playing at the same time, the other is a tech demo that has like 10 minutes worth of gameplay that should have stayed in the arcades

>>11916751 (OP)
>Did you know this fun cart racer doesn't simulate real life exactly?
>Did you know this shitty racer no one gives a shit about gets the persepctive right by adding a shitty fish eye filter?
>Clearly Sega is better
>No I never got over the fact Sega lost the console wars

>>11916754
It isn't running on the 32x. Only the music is generated by the console. Everything else is done by the cart.

>>11916787
MK64 runs just 4-6 frames better than VR Deluxe.

>>11916858
Why are so many Sega fans butthurt over Nintendo anyways? It was Microsoft and Sony that killed them in the console business.

This is the same schizo crap as those Gran Turismo threads. Low quality thread, OP is a fag, kill yourself

Is anyone here actually familiar with how the rendering pipeline for the N64 works? or is everyone pulling stuff out of their ass?
I'm not, but at the same time, I can tell that the snowman in Frappe Snowland doesn't abide to whatever this image is trying to say, and that the n64 should definitively be able to do proper 3d without any advantages from performance issues.
At most, I can see some CPU logic depending on a pseudo 2.5-behavior, but that's unrelated to rendering.
>inb4 fell for the bait

>>11916787
>Virtua Racing
>3rd party
Looks like we have a Nintentard on our hands.

>>11916896
We have a full decompilation, so we can see exactly how it works.

https://github.com/n64decomp/mk64/blob/master/src/render_objects.c

MK64 does make use of sprites, at least for its characters, so it should be able to avoid some geometry calculations by just copying them to the framebuffer slightly modified, but I suspect the vast majority of the level geometry just goes through the RSP and gets rendered normally, because why the fuck not?

>>11916751 (OP)
Wait didn't you make a thread about Gran Turismo or Ridge Racer some time ago claiming this exact same thing?

I love your stupid threads.

>This game doesn't have a cutscene when transitioning between your menu screens?
>SHORTCUT!!!
>I want a movie! If it didn't take $700,000,000 to make the game you promote then IT SUCKS!
>Also, movies SUCK!
The Internet can die, I'm okay with that.

Could this have saved SEGA????

>>11916932
Wat

>>11916787
>Their games performed EXTREMELY well, and were very highly rated by professionals. The audience that purchased them were very satisfied.
Are we talking about the company that made the Zeldas run at 20fps capped? With several dips in more intensive scenarios

>>11916751 (OP)

if you look at the mario kart 64 assets in a hex editor you will see that its actually a GZDoom mod running in an emulator. Miyamoto is a genius.

its funny that the only reason this thread exists is because europeans get really angry that americans like nintendo games and talk about them on the internet which they invented. This attention seeking behavior and envy is really embarrassing.

>>11917079
>europeans
It's just 1 britbong

They're both fun games for different reasons and graphics will always remain secondary to gameplay. virtua racing is a mechanically tight grand prix racer and mario kart is a mechanically loose party racer, yet I'd never bust out virtua racing at a party and I'd never play mario kart single player. Each game has their strengths and weaknesses for graphics, and while it's undeniable that the arcade version of virtua racing was graphically superior to everything else at the time, many people enjoy the look of n64 games regardless. fanboys have no meaningful opinions to share as they refuse to enjoy things without their brand of choice attached to it as a point of pride in their otherwise vacuous lives.

>>11916751 (OP)
I think having textures is nice

>>11916869
Sega were the ones that launched an ad campaign in the US where they directly attacked Nintendo. I don't recall a "Saturn does what Platstationdon't" ad campaign.

Also Microsoft? SEGA had already killed off the Dreamcast and left the console market before the Xbox even launched.

>>11916751 (OP)
this is even dumber than those "did you know doom isn't REAL 3d?!"
and you should be ashamed of yourself

>>11916751 (OP)
Nintendo laziness is always excused, people got too attached to the brand and think the big corporation is actually their friend.

>>11917540
nintendo seethers are hilarious. they are seriously reaching right now desperately trying to find ANYTHING to tear down a universally acclaimed game.

>>11916751 (OP)
Both are good

>>11916869
Actually it was piracy that killed the Dreamcast, forcing Sega to go out of the hardware business.

>>11917510
They tried, it just fell flat completely because Saturn clearly was not outright better than Playstation
https://youtu.be/jeOWGnI0tmM?si=f1SkPW7zYTEGV6cA

>>11916823
>Youtube told me so!

>>11916919
that file seems to be about the hud and other billboard (2d) objects.
but if we see in camera.c we find several mentions of
>camera->rot[2] = 0;
that i would assume mean that the camera is never rotated in whatever that axis is. presumably the Z axis, that's why it stays perfectly level at all times.

>>11918043
why just trust youtubers when you can read the code directly?
you can read at least c code, right?
you are not a dumb fuck that tries to win arguments on 4chan by typing stupid shit, right?

It's over, nintendo is FINALLY finished!
We won, anti-nintendo family.

>>11918134
>rhetoric with no actual argument
You made almost an identical post with a link to a Youtube video where you got this 'info'. You got made fun of for just believing le Youtube man, so now you dropped the link but are still trying to hold this opinion to feel 'superior' and are pretending you personally analyzed the code of all these games. It's just getting sad, dude.

>>11918159
>4chan is 1 person
sure man, i totally posted a youtube link because all of these posts are me.
i'm talking with myself right now.

>>11916861
I think you're confusing it with the Genesis version which uses the SVP chip
The 32x version doesn't use the SVP chip

Wait, are people actually mad?
I have no idea what that shit means, and I don't care.

>>11918478
Don't you understand what this means?

>>11916751 (OP)
MK64 runs really well on the system, but the levels feel flat and boring indeed. Pic related is the absolute best N64 racer. Huge tracks, tons of verticality, satisfying physics, detailed damage models, and customizable cars. Going full 3D is so much worth it even if it sacrifices some of your framerate.

Yeah, 2.5D racers have been able to do slopes for forever.

>>11916869
was more of a suicide tbdesu

>>11916751 (OP)
Is called 2.5d because of a simple reason.
>engine can use a mix of 3d map with 2d sprites.
Which seems you didn't understand.
>race map full 3D.
>characters and karts are 2D sprites.
At least try harder next time instead of going for lowest denominator bait or tell us you just pretended to be retard.

>>11918882
that's not what 2.5D means

>>11918882
>>11918884
Here's a 2.5D vs 3D explanation for noobs.

>>11918134
>that i would assume mean that the camera is never rotated in whatever that axis is. presumably the Z axis, that's why it stays perfectly level at all times.
That's basically irrelevant, since most games almost never have any reason to rotate the camera z-axis, save for doing things like showing a character "shaking their head" or leaning from a first person perspective. The camera liberally rotates around the x and y axis.

>>11916869
Sony may have done a lot of damage to the flawed saturd but microshit was trying to help Sega if anything but they were having absolutely none of it. If anything Sega killed themselves, you could say they had to commit sedoku.

>>11918882
2.5d means 2d projected into 3d, it has nothing to do with whatever the fuck you're going on about

>>11916787
>>Their games performed EXTREMELY well, and were very highly rated by professionals.
Which fucking professionals were these? Everyone involved in gaming in the 80s and 90s considered Nintendos slop to be garbage for technically incompetent rich kids. All the kids who were into games were writing their own or pirating them while fat vegatbles with divorcing and guilty parents were buying the future troons and pedos SN/ES and N64. Nintendo won almost no awards like the golden joystick in the 80s in fact the first time they won anything was 1992 and then went into obilbion again under the PC and PS1/PS2 for 15 years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Joystick_Awards

>>11916787
>were very highly rated by professionals
Are nintendo bots calling game journos "professionals" now?

>>11919112
They get paid.
What do you think "professional" means?

wait until OP finds out about perspective

every /vr/ thread in a nutshell:
>here's how SEGA can still win

>>11916751 (OP)
every line is perfectly straight in real perspective too, not that fisheye borked action lens in the bottom pic. makes the trees look gay.

>>11916751 (OP)
Mario Kart 64 will always be my favourite.

>>11917112
you know the story behind the OP? qrd?

>>11919019
i get what you mean. i should have explained a little better since my logic was flawed.
what i meant by z axis was the same as looking up or down by rotating your head.
in contrast of moving your head up and down, that would be the y axis.
but then we have x axis by itself, hence the flaw.

>>11918898
that true 3d still shows 2 vanishing points only

>>11917510
>nintendo sois are still butthurt about this gimmicky ad to this day

Jesus fucking christ, get over it, ITS BEEN 35 YEARS.

Okay cool but which one looks more fun? Tough luck nerd you lose again.

>>11916851
Chadcube owners got double dash too

>>11916751 (OP)
>N64 exclusive mogged by a 32X port

>>11916751 (OP)
>Every vertical line is perfectly ver--

>>11920674
Looks emulated

>>11920680
And an emulator would modify a sprite blitting/billboard operation to make it angle things for no reason because?

I mean you made this thread dishonestly and are obviously trolling but I want to see how you'll try to keep the game up.

>>11920690
>you made this thread
Nope

>>11920690
>And an emulator would modify a sprite blitting/billboard operation to make it angle things for no reason because?
NTA but high level plugins like Glide64 can distort the image. Try with low level Angrylion plugin.

>>11916751 (OP)
Sega intentially made the building in the screenshot look that janky?
It's clearly wider at the top than the bottom.

>>11920708
*the last screenshot

>>11920716
The wall on the right is vertical. It's a slope on the left. Not uncommon in 2.5D games.

>>11920726
The one of the left is a wall because you can't drive on it.

>>11916751 (OP)
The game uses sprites for cars, of course it's 2.5d

>>11920729
If it's not vertical then it's a slope from the renderer standpoint.

If something is good enough to trick you into thinking it's "real 3D", why does it even matter?
>tech nerd arguments

>>11920731
Looks good enough and allows fast 4 player split screen
>>11920742
This

>>11920737
What are you even talking about? Anyone who's played this game knows that not all its "lines" are perfectly vertical, plus all its courses are 3D models which can be deformed and edited in your typical programs like Blender, not to mention the custom courses people make for it which also aren't limited by perfectly straight lines.

>>11920797
>not all its "lines" are perfectly vertical
Read the op again

>>11916751 (OP)
Sega was just too GOATed and OP for this world.

>>11920814
>Every vertical line in Mario Kart 64 is perfectly vertical
Which is completely wrong.

>>11916751 (OP)
I think they may have limited the camera to avoid the billboard effect on the sprites. The karts are 2D.

>>11920731
>The game uses sprites for cars
WAIT WHAT?

>>11920823
yeah, they also didn't want to render more angles for more sprites

>>11920825
You must be blind if you didn't know this

>>11916751 (OP)
>OP is a homo
yes

>Nintendo: genius solutions for cheap hardware
>Segay: just put in fast hardware we can't afford and we'll also sell it at a loss
Now who's still in the console market today?

>>11921070
Bottom op pic is Sega 32X...

>>11921148
And? Virtua Racing Deluxe does everything but audio processing in the cartridge itself.
The 32X couldn't handle rendering the game itself.

>>11920751
so does dkr and ctr with full 3d models.

>>11921064
>what is aliasing

>>11916751 (OP)
nigger nigger

>>11921730
>slopes are not perfectly straight. more news at 11

>>11916751 (OP)
It's not 2.5D tho

>>11918898
2.5D is not an intuitive name for that imo
i think we used 2.5D for 3d games that had 2d enemies like duke3d

>>11919093
>t.

>>11919334
search "Auster" in the archives

>>11921730 emulated, not real

>>11921915 external program, not real

>>11916751 (OP)
How do you prove a vertical line is a vertical line and not tilted

>>11922545
by taking the points at either end and comparing their locations on the x-axis

>>11922545 edited screencap

>>11916751 (OP)
Wasn't this originally for Ridge Racer and Sega Rally Championship's console ports?

>>11921619
Virtua Racing Deluxe has no extra chips on the cart, only the game ROM

>>11922761

If it doesn't have infinitely tall actors, it's 3D, not 2.5D. If you don't know what infinitely tall actors means, you probably shouldn't be discussing this topic.
Or to put it another way, lots of these engines take shortcuts with the Z or Y axis and don't calculate it as accurately as modern engines do or use some extremely small range of ints in an array leading to poor vertical collision detection. None of these things make the engine not 3D. And if we're being real no Z coords on PS1 are accurate ever unless the bloody moons of venus align properly before you hit the screenshot button.

>>11923095
>no Z coords on PS1 are accurate ever
Are you sure you don't mean the lack of z-buffer? It's a different matter from coords. On PS1 X, Y and Z coords are equally inaccurate

>>11918040
What retarded cope is this?

>>11922776
Hmmmmmm I wonder what those chips could be...
Let's see....

>HD74HC139P
>Manufacturer: Hitachi Semiconductor.
>Description: Dual 2-to-4-line Decoders/Demultiplexers.

I wonder what that could be for? Let's check the source of your image:
https://gendev.spritesmind.net/mirrors/www.nepereny.com/misc2/games/parts/171-6885A.htm
It appears Sega just used 2 ROMs on any game over a certain size with a demultiplexer because big ROMs ain't cheap.

And now... Drum roll please...
>MPR-17259
>Manufacturer: NEC
>Description: 32X Virtua Racing ROM 1
>MPR-17260
>Manufacturer: NEC
>Description: 32X Virtua Racing ROM 2

What now?

>>11923267
So, no extra chips?

>>11922776
The Genesis version uses the SVP, retard, not the 32X version
Here's the Genesis cartridge with the SVP right in the middle

>>11923441
The moral of the story is,
>literally just google the text on the chip

>>11923446
Fuck off, I posted both >>11922761 and >>11922776 because I forgot to add the pic at first.

>>11923432 those aren't vertical lines so it doesn't count, this is still a 2.5d engine because all perfectly vertical lines are perfectly vertical

>>11916751 (OP)

>>11923263
It's a mod cope so watch out he gets ban happy if you challenge his delusion

>>11916751 (OP)
>mario kart is 2...... reckt
nice try faggot https://www.models-resource.com/nintendo_64/mariokart64/
3D models extracted from the game.

>>11924058
You can see perspectively angled vertical lines RIGHT there.

>>11918186
There are only 2 people on 4chan: you, and the guy who types really fast.

>>11916751 (OP)
That's nice anon, me and my friends are playing Twisted Metal.

>>11924623
Sure, bro

how did this dumb shit get 130 replies? am i on /v/?

>>11916869
Sega fans tended to get gas lit after the Dreamcast failed even in popular places like IGN. Stuff like saying Sega owners just played the same 4 games while Nintendo had a smorgasbord, it reality it closer to the opposite. Sega fans accepted that their consoles failed but still enjoyed them while Nintendo fans just couldn't accept that the N64 and Gamecube failed. I don't mind criticizing Sega, just don't make up things to make a juicier story, stuff like saying the Master System has nothing on the level of Mario 3, you can tell these people never bothered to explore the system. Another part is normies with journalist degrees writing about retro gaming that they know nothing about, saying stuff like Sonic was never good or even saying that about Bubsy.
I'm not but hurt, I even typically like Snes music better. I think the Virtual Boy was another system unfairly treated by the media, its actually a really good system.
I don't care that much if Snes of Genesis is better because other systems from the time like X68000 and FM Towns were even better that you can emulate, they both had be cut down to be affordable.

>>11916751 (OP)
Weird if true, Need for Speed 1 was weird like that.