Thread 11967656

Why is Nintendo so pissed off at how I use the games I already purchased from them?

If you're actually asking: They were worried the Game Genie's true purpose was to bypass the lockout chip and allow playing pirate carts.

>>11968374
This is true. The reason they believed this mattered so much was because they saw the downfall of the 2600 being oversaturation of low quality games, and even on the famicom japan had been flooded with a wave of low quality stuff.
Nintendo thought keeping their software library tight would guarantee the longevity of the console.
And they were kind of right. I mean there are a number of all time classic NES games released in 91/92 that would have never been made if there was too much competition.

>>11968374
Doubt. The real reason is Nintendo are such greedy cock suckers the idea of anyone making any device on their system that was not contributing to their pockets from licensing pist them off.

They are petty nips.

>>11968374
>They were worried the Game Genie's true purpose was to bypass the lockout chip and allow playing pirate carts.
nonsense. pirate carts already existed and their lock out chip was already defeated. nintendo believed that game genie modifying data was a breach of copyright. you fucking faggot retards on this board need to stop lying about every little trivial thing.
>if you're actually asking
op did end his post with a question mark, genius. you have iq of sand.

>>11968384
nothing about what that faggot retarded posted was true. the absolute state of this board.

>>11968417
>nintendo believed that game genie modifying data was a breach of copyright.
You are confusing the true intent with the excuse brought up in court to shut down a threat.

>>11968432
> makes up fantasy story about ninturdo going after it because it could magically defeat lockout chips and enabling piracy
> gets btfo and replies with nonsense
many such cases on this board. there shouldn't be this many such cases but i forget that this board's userbase is hardcore retarded.

>you fucking faggot retards on this board
>the absolute state of this board
>i forget that this board's userbase is hardcore retarded
Why are you still here with us then?

>>11968439
You're free to post some evidence mang

>>11968417
>you fucking faggot retards on this board need to stop lying about every little trivial thing.
Exactly, weren't Tengen living proof that it's been bypassed long before the game genie? They were the console division of Atari, for christ's sake!

>>11967656 (OP)
Yet another case of SEGA does what Nintendon't.

The real answer is that they wanted to bully anyone that'd release something for the NES that wasn't licensed by them.

>>11968374
That's still just trying to strangle their market at the expense of consumer freedom. Their licensing scheme does nothing for me as a buyer of their games.

>>11968524
Was it Tengen that tried to duplicitously reverse engineer the lockout?

Color Dreams was just content to shock the chip into submission.

>>11969189
>Was it Tengen that tried to duplicitously reverse engineer the lockout?
Correct, they were behind the Rabbit chip.

>>11968389
This seems like the stronger argument considering they also sued Blockbuster for renting games, which has nothing to do with unlicensed games. They just thought you shouldn't be allowed to play a video game that wasn't issued directly to you via a point of sale.

It was for the good of gaming. If you can brute force through a game you didn’t really experience. Game mechanics are intentional.

>>11969264
>uphold "standards of gaming" in the way you play
>by yourself
>for your own sake
>for no one else
>get nothing for it

>>11968374
That sounds fake. All they would have had to do was get one and try it, or even open it up, to see that it does not bypass the NES's lockout chip. Going to such a massive lawsuit and causing precedent against them just because they assumed it bypasses their security and never even checked sounds absurd.

>>11967656 (OP)
It was dishonorable. A proud Japanese creator made up a product with a lot of effort, and you think you can make it better? You're basically calling it shit and insulting the creator. Like if a chef prepares you a meal and you put tons of sauce on top and ignore the side dishes. The chef is gonna wonder if they did something wrong, they will feel offended. Same reason Japanese companies to this day are against mods.

>>11968421
Woah.. Gunpei Yokoi? Is that you?
Impossibru..

>>11968384
>all time classic NES games
Yep, an all-time classic alright.

>>11969423
Cherry picking is the faggiest trolling tactic

>>11969426
Still doesn't mean that crappy software doesn't get by. I can see where you're coming from (higher quantity of first/second-part output), but there's obviously going to be stuff that slips through the cracks.

>>11969426
So is subdividing a post into its component points to deliver "ownage" to each portion rather than taking it as a whole argument.

>>11969442
This board has 2 or 3 real loser trolls that pop up any time someone has an independent thought.

>>11969423
What game?

>>11970783
I could even tell from the thumbnail it's Aladdin.

With the power of the Game Genie™ you can beat any game in the span of a 2 day rental.

>>11968524
>weren't Tengen living proof that it's been bypassed long before the game genie?
First of all, Tengen didn't "bypass" it or even reverse engineer it, they cloned it in the shadiest and most clearly illegal way possible. They filed a lawsuit against Nintendo for that chip claiming Nintendo had infringed on their stuff somehow with their lockout chip, this allowed their lawyers to request details on the chip to determine if Nintendo did infringe and if they had a case. Tengen then took these documents their lawyers were given that were basically blueprints of the chip and just... cloned it, while I believe ignoring said bogus lawsuit. Needless to say, when Nintendo realized what Tengen had done they sued them out the ass and Tengen lost, and I believe a new law was put into place that a competitor cannot obtain such confidential documents anymore when suing for infringement because of that stunt. I have no idea how Tengen thought they would get away with it.

Second, even if it had been bypassed, that doesn't mean now anyone can legally do it because someone else did it first. What kind of logic is that? If a game gets cracked that does not mean that it's now legal to pirate it because someone already cracked it.

>>11968374
>>11968384
This seems like a good place to mention that a GameShark for the N64 allows Japanese carts to be played on the American N64 with no need for any hacking.

>>11970926
Literally the only thing preventing Japanese carts from working on a US N64 is two tiny plastic tabs. You can get 3D printed replacement trays for your cartridge slot for a few bucks that do the same, or 3D print your own if you have a 3D printer.

Or you can just simply take out that tray if you don't care that it will look ugly.

Hell, I remember years ago when IGN was reviewing Kirby 64, which was not out in the US yet, and recommended importing it if you can't wait since the game had no dialog anyway, complete with a guide on how to use a pair of pliers to snap off the two plastic tabs that prevent Japanese cartridges from fitting.

>>11971049
Same deal with the SNES, and even the Genesis.

>>11967656 (OP)
>kid puts game into game genie and types in some random shit
>calls other kid
>LOOK THIS GAME IS FUCKING BROKEN
>HEH DUDE RIGHT I'M NEVER BUYING A SHITTY NINTENDO
Japs hound modders for similar reasons to this day, there was recently a huge stink over nude Chun-li in SF6.

>>11970852
So to be clear, it's not like how Compaq reverse-engineered the IBM BIOS, correct? Technically IBM's BIOS had to be bypassed too, yet the PC platform wouldn't be anywhere near as mainstream as it is now had it not been for PC clone manufacturers. I'm not sure how getting past a piece of hardware is comparable to getting past a piece of software's DRM.

>>11971528
And besides, the whole "5 games a year" rule sucked for people who even went out of their way to follow the rules. Why do you think Ultra Games exists?

For me it was the Game Wizard

>>11971543
Weird, it's like a bootleg Action Replay.

>>11971456
Look, I know kids can be stupid, but most weren't THAT stupid that if they plug in a device they know can mess with games, toss in random shit (By the way, the gamegenie codes were encoded and had a checksum, it would not accept just any random garbage), and then the game acts funny they would think the game is broken and that it's Nintendo's fault. Even I knew better than that when I was still a young child with my NES.

They weren't suing because they were worried about such an absurdly made up scenario.

>>11971528
Correct, this would be like if Compaq claimed that IBM infringed on their hardware/software, filed a lawsuit, got documents from IBM detailing exactly how their computer works, and then use those documents to make their own computer that is essentially a copy. There is no reverse engineering happening here, you are basically getting all the design docs and following the instructions to make one.

IIRC I think an old documentary called "Triumph of the Nerds" (Yeah yeah, I know, stupid title) had at one point an interview with the person who was in charge of this who explained how he hired a lawyer who told him exactly how he could do it in a just barely legal way through loopholes.

>>11968374
If the Game Genie could bypass the lockout chip then bootleg devs could just use the same tech to bypass the lockout chip themselves...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IySoIFGDXsI
>This is a VHS tape that was prepared by Galoob and submitted as evidence in its defense against the Game Genie lawsuit brought by Nintendo in 1992.
>Many details about the Game Genie case are not available online, so most people are not aware that the NES Advantage joystick played a huge role in the proceedings. As explained to the court in this video, the Advantage could make games easier, harder or even impossible to play, which made Nintendo seem hypocritical after it had objected to the Game Genie doing these same things.
>Later, after the court ruled in favor of Galoob, sales figures for the Advantage were used to estimate the amount of revenue that Galoob lost when Nintendo filed an injunction to prevent the Game Genie from being sold. The damages awarded were based on the market penetration that the Advantage had achieved!

>>11971639
>Look, I know kids can be stupid, but most weren't THAT stupid that if they plug in a device they know can mess with games, toss in random shit (By the way, the gamegenie codes were encoded and had a checksum, it would not accept just any random garbage), and then the game acts funny they would think the game is broken and that it's Nintendo's fault. Even I knew better than that when I was still a young child with my NES.
I think you grossly underestimate how stupid kids can be, especially when they think they're smart enough to be messing with technology, but only know enough to be dangerous.

To a lot of people, it may seem like the Captain N episode "Wishful Thinking" was about the Game Genie, especially with how Kevin's wish was to have "unbeatable" skill with his zapper and power pad, and then deciding being unable to lose like that was just too boring... but the episode aired in October 1989, and the Game Genie wasn't even announced until Spring of 1990. Just a coincidence from the writers using a stock "be careful what you wish for" genie plot.