Thread 12111365

Are the prices ever going down?

Back in 2020 you could get a decent 20in PVM for like $150, then I checked a few years back and it got to $400 and now it's like $1000......

Just add component inputs to a decent consumer set.

>>12111365 (OP)
a 20 inch PVM was already worth like $500 by 2016. The prices will only increase more from here on out.

Get 4K OLED, use megatron shader, there's your PVM

>>12111365 (OP)
NO. YOU MISSED OUT. PAY UP OR MOVE ON. PVMS ARE SHIT MEMES ANYWAY. THEY WERE NOT PLAYING TOMB RAIDER IN NEWSROOMS AND HOSPITALS.

>>12111365 (OP)
>Are the prices ever going down?
>Back in 2020 you could get a decent 20in PVM for like $150, then I checked a few years back and it got to $400 and now it's like $1000......

Anon you missed the window for cheap old electronics. The time to get cheap old electronics is 5 to 10 years after a new generation of stuff comes out when there's still a surplus. After that, prices go up because everyone has thrown out their old gear and recycled them. So old electronics are rare now.

HDTVs because mainstream in 2006. That gave you 10 years to collect Old TVs and PVMS for super cheap. Now it's expensive. The window of opportunity is closed.

>>12111423
>he didn't play tomb raider while recovering in the hospital from a snake bite

>>12111365 (OP)
get a line doubler and a 1080p gaming LCD and call it a fucking day

I have 7 PVMs and you guys called me insane.

>>12111365 (OP)
>playing on a tiny, worn out CRT in the cuck corner
Does anybody seriously play games like this, or are all these "setups" just for taking pictures of for people on the internet? I'd MUCH rather spend that sort of money on a Retrotink 4K and enjoy my games on my huge OLED in comfort.

Pay up idiot. I just use a standard CRT.

>>12111365 (OP)
>Are the prices ever going down?
The short answer is no, the long answer is you're fighting both prices never going back to pre-2020 levels due to inflation and also just people hanging onto their older games. It's not even just collectors, every time I come over to someone's house the odds of the vidya console there being something from the Gamecube era or older is like 60%. Maybe in 10 years when all these antiques blow their fuses and everyone replaces them with FPGA consoles that have HDMI outputs that aren't fucked up you might start seeing CRT prices going down, but also probably not because they'll be way rarer then.

I have a PVM and a 'tink and I prefer to just emulate on my OLED with shaders :^)

Who cares? Just get a 2000's TV with component. Guaranteed to have a good picture even if it does 480i over component. JVC and Sony are kings for this.

>>12111365 (OP)
you can still get a good slot mask for $0-$20 and that's all you need

assuming you know how to replace electrolytics and don't store them in direct sunlight, you could feasibly have a lifetime supply, if you never want to switch to OLED or eventually microLED

Being analog devices, bare tubes aren't necessarily married to specific circuit boards. They operate with standardized voltages and signals. I know a furry who moves bare tubes between different makes of tv and monitor.

>>12111365 (OP)
You don’t need a broadcast monitor to play some old games. Any CRT with working color is OK.

>>12111605
Same. RetroAchievements is so fun :-)

>>12111668
This is not true if there's only RF and composite.

>>12111365 (OP)
>hurr durr i'm a retard who doesn't understand how scarcity works
>hurrr i saw le youtube video about these now I want to buy them
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE 500,000 OTHER PEOPLE WHO SAW THE VIDEO ALSO WANT TO BUY THEM?

No, poorfag, stop shitting up this website with your sour grapes bullshit

pic related

>>12111365 (OP)
Nope, either get lucky or get a retrotink. I just sold my d-series tv for 350$ since the 4k looks as good to my eyes

>>12111415
>shaders

>>12111676
Nta, but what's the appeal? I don't even get the appeal on modern consoles

>>12111871
constant dopamine hits in a dopamine fried world

>>12111771
>$2000 for an 8" PVM

>>12111423
I always asked for the colonoscopy monitor to game during extended hospital stays. If you didn't play Tomb Raider with at least an asshole or 2 burned into the screen you didn't truly experience it.

>>12111943
This is cope. 2D games will never look better than they do on a pvm with a high tvl count.

3D games? Go for the consumer set but 2D? Nah dog.

>>12111972
Au contraire, high TVL is fantastic for 6th gen content

>>12111980
Unless its a 480p pvm/bvm I disagree.

480i is horrible for high end sets because the flicker is more prevelant.

Granted dreamcast with component cables at 480p looks downright insane on my 20L5.

>>12111985
Meh, the flicker is not that noticeable sitting at a decent distance from the screen.

Is there anything more boring in the entire world than listening to PVM autists drone on about TVL and "how it's meant to be played"?

>>12111996
Yeah, fucking your mother.

>>12111996
yeah, listening to fags who swear their 14" CRT consumer set + RF connection combo is the true real way to play old games

>>12111883
Nah, you just missed out.

>>12111365 (OP)
no just emulate like a normal person

>>12111365 (OP)
No, they are not.
The window for cheap used electronics is about 10-15 years. You're well past that now.
If you want cool stuff now you're looking at buying an older plasma TV while those are in their historic low price range.

>>12112056
>If you want cool stuff now you're looking at buying an older plasma TV while those are in their historic low price range.

Seriously considering this for Gen 7 consoles.

>>12112056
I would agree if not for the fact oled is just as good now.

>>12112045
Fuck normies.

>>12111972
8bit games dont really look any different.

>>12111365 (OP)
>PVM
That is not what we used to play videogames on in the past.

Also: How easy is to repair a Mega CD MODEL 1? Not 2, but MODEL 1 like the one I had years ago? I can't find a single MODEL 1 under £300 which is a ridiculous price anyway.

>>12112356
Depends. Most of them were made with consumer sets in mind. I don't like the pvm wankery, but a good crt makes these games look amazing

>>12111365 (OP)
You could not get a 20 inch PVM for that price in 2020 you lying zoomer faggot.

>>12112375
Just buy a US model one they are like $60.

>>12111365 (OP)
I have the following
8K 50 inch OLED
42 inch LCD
32 inch stereo and 16:9 NTSC and PAlL/PAL 60 capable phillips CRT with RF scart and composite and stero speakers
14 inch toshiba CRT with scart and RF
14 inch cheap Beko CRT with scart RF and composite

And that's all I need. I don't get PVMs but each to their own. Nothing I do on old 8 or 16 bit stuff would benifit from them for me. I have seen prices on this stuff go from take it to free to a 10 bill to hundreds. I play around restoring a lot of old RF machines and I like lightguns (pretty much all I use the 32 inch for)
>>12111475
Yes, I use the 14 inches to play 8 bit games on, most of them were written for use on CRT TVs and look great on 14 inches. I use the 32 inch mainly for PS1 and PS2 light gun stuff. I have converters and upscalers and another set of PS1/PS2 going composite to HDMI for the 50 inch OLED. The 42 inch LCD is pretty contemportaty with teh PS2 era though. On my PCs I use fairly bog standard OEM Dell and Lenovo screens.

I mean we are not all the same and PVMs may loook really fucking good to some people, each to their own. They do nothing for me.
>>12111518
True enough and that's true for all old 8 pit computers as well. I don;t know why people who were left behind don;t buy into some of the not quite retro systems that are still excellent value and have great libraries though. Physical media is ending, there is only so much of the systems peripherals and games and then it is gone.
>>12111665
There is a lot more to keeping old or specialised CRTs going than eletrolytic capacitors anon and they are just about the only thing I don't try and repair, when a tube is gone it is gone, but they last practically forever if they are the last generations of CRTs, they wree well made with modern components and designed to quite literally be left on all day for decades. Keep them on a surge protector.

I'd still rather have a 32 inch CRT from a decent maker than a PVM any day

>>12111518
>Maybe in 10 years when all these antiques blow their fuses
Most are fairly easy to reapair. I have quite a few machines that are over 40 years old along with tape and disk drives and casettes players etc Most just need easy stuff like cheap rubber belts replcing, heads cleaning with isopropyl, a little lubrication or very occasionally something like recapping or a new voltage regulator. Old machines are pretty easy to work on. On newer machines much of the samea clean rarely maybe change a laser or clean the lens etc. As with the CRTs I recommend keeping your old consoles on surge protectors otherwise you will loose a PSU. Some machines are a shit to deal with though like the gamecube or snes PPU, if they are dead it's just not worth the hassle. All the xboxes need recapping as well. Probably the worst repairs are replacing memory chips on old 8 bits but even that is not that bad. It's part of the hobby I really enjoy I love seeing the old stuff come alive again. I don't even mod them or retrofit improvements like extra filters on video or audio tweaks. I like them as they actually were.

I also love some of the mister/spectrum/next retrogames machines. The people I really admire are the ones that keep old arcade cabs running, they have some serious skills when it comes to working with old tubes and boards

I was just repairing an old casette player braded as a 'computer data recorder' with a tape stiuck in it, and I got uit running faily handily just with a clean and popperd the tape in and was some live performance froma comedian, it was really fucking funny and it must have been jammed in there a good 20-30 years. Kind of spooky hearing it play and listening to the audience laugh. No idea who it was.

>>12111365 (OP)
you are going to fuck it fast if those speakers are not shielded

>>12111972
That kinda sounds like cope dawg

>>12111365 (OP)
Why do you need a PVM? Just check faceberk marketplace for one that has component

I love watching zoomers throw away their money trying to chase nostalgia they were too young to experience first hand
it is true comedy

>>12115059
I don't think everyone in the thread is a zoomer

>>12112006
hahah, this. For example right here - >>12112375

I mean, it's up to them, but i prefer using era-appropriate pro-level top-end gear. 15-yr-old me would have been awed by it back in the day, and i guess that feeling is what i'm tapping into. Though i suppose getting into it now, when prices have skyrocketed, is both daunting and expensive.

Pre NES stuff = RF
Nes/nes era stuff = composite (with exceptions like atari 7800)
4th gen stuff = composite/s-video (can go either way depending on system)
5th gen = s-video
6th gen = component (or vga if dreamcast)

These are all the inputs you need. Doing shit like rgb modding an nes is pointless and border line retarded.

>>12111365 (OP)
>Twin Snakes

It's all so tiresome. In PVM threads, there's never any real discussion. All posts are either
>Imagine missing out on this, you're losers for not having 5 PVMs at this point
Or
>PVMemes are shit, you were always supposed to use composite ONLY, I know your console outputs RGB as well, but don't get any funny ideas

>>12115318
>>12112816
>I mean we are not all the same and PVMs may loook really fucking good to some people, each to their own. They do nothing for me.

>>12115318
SCART >Composite

Only get a CRT if you have the space to use it regularly. Even then they're going to be breaking down pretty soon.
If you aren't interested or can't be bothered, OLEDS are pretty good now. Their tech is improving and actually replicate crt effects pretty nicely on old consoles.

PVMs are a meme. Most consumer sets are fine and there are still a gazillion available for free

>>12115371
Playing silent hill on scart looks horrendous. Some older games actually MIGHT look better, but it's unlikely. If you're going to play stuff without any dithering patterns, it still exposes their imperfections more than necessary.
Name a usecase for a PVM that doesn't have to do with MONITORING.
Also, it's a blessing in disguise that people are so hyperfocused on sony.

>>12115539
>Playing silent hill on scart looks horrendous.
you're a bulshitter scart just carries composite and rgb. stop spamming nonsense here

>>12115539
I don't own a pmv, don't feel the need I have multiple good CRT TVs

>>12115539
Holy fuck! Your cope is hilarious!

>>12111871
I need muh good goy points for playing le olden games

>>12111365 (OP)
What's the point anyway? Aren't the imperfections of consumer sets the whole goal of getting a CRT now?

>>12115458
>Only get a CRT if you have the space to use it regularly. Even then they're going to be breaking down pretty soon.
My Sony Trinitron ProFeel CRT TV is from 1989 and still works perfectly. How "soon" is it going to break down exactly?

>>12111365 (OP)
Try yard/estate sales. Theres probably still thousands of them sitting in boomer basements that havent moved in 30 years.

>>12115978
Most people want better image quality.

>>12115978
The "goal" of getting a CRT is actually whatever the user wants it to be. Imagine only doing something for reasons that people on the internet tell you, lmao.

>>12115106
>i prefer using era-appropriate pro-level top-end gear. 15-yr-old me would have been awed by it back in the day, and i guess that feeling is what i'm tapping into.
This is basically what I'm in the PVM game for, too. People have called my setup "soulless", but that's exactly what I was going for. I already grew up in the 80s and 90s playing hours and hours of my favorite games on tiny, worn-out hand-me-down TVs—channel 3, fuzzy video, mono audio, the whole "authentic" retro gaming experience. I'm good.

I am OWED a cheap PVM to play on a display type that 99.999% of people never actually did back in the day and I DESERVE it for cheap.

>>12111396
that's not true. I worked at a TV station in 2016 and they were still using them. Only until next year did they get rid of them.

>>12116837
>I worked at a TV station in 2016 and they were still using them. Only until next year did they get rid of them.
Okay, and? None of that has anything to do with what aftermarket prices were. Are you retarded?

>>12116837
liar. TV stations all switched to HD years before in the 1st world

PVM "discussion" has become hilarious, because anyone who REALLY wanted one by now has either found one, or bit the bullet and bought one, and has stopped engaging in low-level discussion such as this thread. Pretty much all of the remaining internet discourse at this point is just latecomers and seethers who failed and missed out, lol.

>>12116872
glad you're having fun :D

>>12111365 (OP)
CRTs will only ever drop in price once a worthy replacement appears, in which case they'll likely become worthless like vintage radios.

The only pvm where I've actually liked the image being displayed was on a composite only slot mask JVC pvm. Trinitron pvm over RGB looks like I'm playing on a crt monitor with a simple scanline filter thrown on top of it. Utterly boring and sterile looking. How people actually enjoy this shit is unreal and I doubt they ever grew up playing on actual CRTs, or if they did, they simply forgot about it and when they came back to the hobby they got on reddit and were persuaded into buying these retarded girly things because they're supposed to be the best

>>12116902
I grew up in the 90s and everyone had PVMs that they played wearing backwards baseball caps.

>>12116902
>this level of projection
Son, we're talking about CRTs. Make your own thread.

>global economy is collapsing
>price of literally everything has gone up
>usd is going to be dead within 10 years
>he thinks a scarce commodity that will never be made again will go down in price amidst all of this
You dumbass nigger faggots should have bought gold when rush told you to.

>>12111423
This is correct.
No one ever used PVMs for games
So in some ways it’s not even really retro.
It’s a false modern disease.
No one would have wanted one of these for games back then. You’d take a bigger screen any day.

>>12116936
truth, biz CRT with a decent make and compoasite RF and scart inputs was peak especially if it did 16:9 but if anons like PVMs well good for them

>>12116928
The USD is not going to be dead in ten years. Stop believeing spammed shit from dictatorships that are and always will be bottom of the pile. They used scream about the inevitable death of capitalism and the communist revolution and mandatory atheism, now its the decadent west and the end of America and Europe, which have never been wealthier, healthier or stronger militarily, economically and culturally. Seriously you are reguritating shit spammed for retarded thirdies to believe.

Prices rise with scarcity when there is demand. The magic of supply and demand.

>>12116928
I've been buying gold and BTC since 2015, im doing fine nigga

>>12116928
>society is collapsing and this dumb asshole thinks he was a genius for hoarding CRTs
The rape gangs are going to forcibly insert a PVM into your asshole when it all comes crashing down.

>>12116956
Yeah? Is it capitalism invenitably ending or just your hopes for a toilet in your village.

>>12116936
>No one ever used PVMs for games
And why does this dictate whether or not we're allowed to use them now? Oh right, it doesn't.
>No one would have wanted one of these for games back then.
I would have. But then, I actually knew about things like signal quality and I wanted signals as clean and clear as arcade screens (which were RGB, just like most PVMs.)
>You’d take a bigger screen any day.
Sure, but keep in mind this is the exact same level of retardation that lead to projection TVs becoming viable technology for the unwashed masses with more money than sense. Besides, 20" was a fairly standard size back in the late 80s and 90s, especially for a personal/bedroom set.

Not sure why you insist that people can't do what they want, and have to stay locked in the mindset of a pleb in the mid-90s. I wasn't a plen then, nor am I now. Cope and seethe.

>>12116956
>he thinks the rape gangs will be able to breach my impenetrable fortress composed of stacked crt sets

If we're not supposed to play old video games on RGB monitors, then why do so many of these old consoles output RGB without any modification? And why did arcade monitors use RGB? Arcades were a core component of video game culture up until the late 90s—Millions of people were playing video games in RGB before most of you faggots were even born.

This is how you can tell 99% of this discourse is just salty zoomers and/or retards who missed out, yet again.

>>12116956
I don't own any CRTs, retard.
>>12116954
Based.

>>12116956
I don't own any CRTs, retard.
>>12116953
>America and Europe [...] have never been wealthier, healthier or stronger militarily, economically and culturally
Delusional.
>>12116954
Based.

>>12117010
Because arcade games are not the same thing as home consoles and we have devs who outright said they designed home console games with consumer tvs in mind.

Idc regardless, i just rgb modded my big ass jvc and trinitron consumer set and have two spare pvms that are tiny in comparison and stay in a closet. I would recommend anyone who thinks they absolutely NEED a pvm, to consider what games they actually plan on playing on them. If its anything newer or older than 4th and 5th gen stuff, it's really not going to be a big difference to your experience, and even then, i would say 5th gen 3D games are not really going to look much better then what you are likely currently using as inputs. They are nice for high detailed 2D games, and thats about it.

>>12117021
I love the psychois of thirdworlders and embitterd failures who constantly think the most powerful places on earth the USA and EU are going to collapse magically. Is communnism finally here this time or is it the inevitable collapse of the most used and most sought after currency on earth? Enjoy your position in life, your mindset is what created it for you. Meanwhile you can't afford nice things either apperenetly. So sad.

Or did diddiums just get anxiety from too much caffine and think the end of the world is nigh again?

Of course you don't own anything. We guessed.

>>12116989
So…
>And why does this dictate whether or not we're allowed to use them now? Oh right, it doesn't.
So you agree it’s not really retro and in fact you are doing something that doesn’t align with how it was done back in the day. Do what you want bro but you are just agreeing with that point, no need to get mad just to agree.
>Sure, but keep in mind this is the exact same level of retardation that lead to projection TVs becoming viable technology for the unwashed masses with more money than sense.
No they were right, that’s why history went down this way and you are in a niche. A newly created niche using displays that generally were rack mounted for professional purposes.
>Not sure why you insist that people can't do what they want, and have to stay locked in the mindset of a pleb in the mid-90s. I wasn't a plen then, nor am I now. Cope and seethe.
I cope just fine and you are seething not me. I’m just saying what this is. It’s not actually retro and you would have looked very odd back in the day. It looks strange now. Enjoy being not a pleb with your tiny PVM for what that is worth to you.

>>12117067
You're just arguing with your imagination. You haven't asked to what degree I think the dollar will collapse and you are therefore assuming a nuclear worst case option, i.e. a strawman, and are also aggrandizing yourself imagining me as some poor who doesn't own anything when I can flip any one of my one ounce gold coins and buy 4-5 PVMs right now.

>>12111365 (OP)
>they always ALWAYS keep printing more money
>these artifacts are never being made again and break down so the pool of working units shrinks slowly over time
Why would they go down? Who thinks like this? How blissfully unaware of how the world works do you have to actually be to think they would go down?

It's just so dumb, I can't even fathom the mental processes behind making such a thread.

>>12111972
>2D games will never look better than they do on a pvm with a high tvl count.
You... don't even understand how TV works do you? The system / game decides the line count, not the TV. And if you have a typical broadcast monitor set up for high line count sources like Laserdisc or broadcast tape, unless it's one of the last generation where this adjustment could be handled automatically, you will have to manually set it up so the lines are thicker and JUST almost touch or you get those idiotic black gaps between lines. Those black gaps are not what the developer intended lol.

>>12117083
They might go down because they have gone down before.
They became nearly worthless.
The current fad may die.

>>12117098
They will never go back down to "who gives a shit, just get rid of it" prices.

>>12117098
>They might go down because they have gone down before.
Economics is not the same science as predicting that the sun will set in the evening.

>They became nearly worthless.
To some.

>The current fad may die.
Considering that they don't make them any more, that more fail every year, and that there is a huge booming demand for them by retro gamers, under what circumstances do you see this happening? I don't think retro gaming will become less popular. In fact it's more popular than ever and just keeps getting more popular by the day. News is writing articles about it now, normies are having a field day.

>>12117104
In a decade we'll see a version of that pickers show but exclusively dealing with computers, games and systems, and CRTs lol. Probably plasma too by then, a good plasma screen is stunning and they have all the inputs you'd ever need.

>>12117078
>So you agree it’s not really retro and in fact you are doing something that doesn’t align with how it was done back in the day
Yeah. I don't give a fuck what people did back in the day. Lol. I already lived through it.
>It’s not actually retro and you would have looked very odd back in the day.
So did people care about what they played on or didn't they? Better get your story straight.
>Enjoy being not a pleb with your tiny PVM for what that is worth to you.
I enjoy it every night, thanks. It's the most gorgeous CRT I've ever seen, and it cost me $0.

>>12117041
>we have devs who outright said they designed home console games with consumer tvs in mind.
And people design cars with everyday driving in mind. That doesn't make people wrong to want to race them on a track. You typed an awful lot of words to say nothing at all, lmao.

>>12116884
>worthless like vintage radios.
Anon? They're hugely popular. People even buy radios that are shit internally but look rugged and manly for their man caves. Certain late '70s and early '80s Sony ruggedized models are popular for this.

I'm a ham who DXs BCB as well, I am pretty up on the scene.

>>12116956
They can't.
You are not allowed to enter the pillow fort without the password.

>>12117134
We have different definitions of vintage, it seems.

I still use my plasma TV. Better motion and deeper blacks than LCD, higher brightness than anything south of an OLED, it's huge, and doesn't take as much space as a CRT would.

>>12117125
>And people design cars with everyday driving in mind. That doesn't make people wrong to want to race them on a track. You typed an awful lot of words to say nothing at all, lmao.

Except those devs designed the graphics to look a certain way on a consumer grade set. Like sure, you can race a junker car on a track, but it's clearly not designed to do so and will be inferior to using a car built to race.

>>12117083
Because people debate if they will ever remanufacture old CRTs again. Like how companies brought back instant film cameras again, re-opened up record factories to make old school music albums again, made new music turn tables, and recently made new music tape players again.

Bringing back CRTs are the last carrot dangling in front of fans.

>>12117386
Most of those examples are now low-grade chinese junk made using parts from the only factory left on the planet and sold by shell brands looking to capitalize on nostalgia (I think there's only one company on the planet that makes cassette mechanisms and they're some of the worst ever made)
vacuum tubes (CRTs) are special beast and the supply chain required to make them is long dead and buried and we will likely never be able to get the economy of scale required to make producing these worthwhile again

>>12117316
My oldest mains radio is a Radiola 17, which works great now, I have several older crystal sets. Pre and postwar radios, a couple boat anchors, a Clansman set or two, it was all $5 junk not too long ago. I got rid of anything with no hope of my repairing it, or stuff that I just don't really like. What I'm left with is a cool time capsule of working radios.

>>12117415
CRT tech is where tube amplifiers were in the 80s and 90s when people were realizing it was universally better than solid state amplifier tech and buying up all the old tube amps from pawn shops. It took time, but specialized firms and major players would start producing tube amps again, with new pricing influenced by the demand and production costs. Amps that used to cost $200 new had to cost $2000+.

TL;DR in 2040 you will be able to buy a new CRT, but it will probably cost you $5000-10,000.

>>12117079
>I think the dollar will collapse

>>12117340
Plasma is cool but useless for light gun games as are small PVMs or TVs. The were intentened for play on CRT TVs with 26 inch and up screens. It pains me to see people trying to play with OG lightguns on 14 inch CRT TVs. The ONLY use for small 14-15 inch CRT TVs for me is with old 8 bit computers where they make good monitors for unmodded RF and RGB systems.
Underlying ALL of this is the fact that being a nerd or into games was a relatively niche thing in the 80s and 90s, systems never sold much more that 60 million many far far less down to a few million. Now there are over a billion people into games and many with an accute interest in what came before. This board should be stacked with people who have what they love before all this shit with prices started. If you see a cheap big old CRT TV get it and get a small one to. Contact people doing house clearances. Get a surge protector and keep your CRTs and orginal system PSUs on them, make sure the plug is clean and vacum the dust off them and look after them. There was only so much physical media and sytems made and I'd say less than half of any eras survived. Don't look in retro stores or ebay, ask house clearance companies and look at estate auctions and for fuck sake don't buy it as an 'investement' but get it cheap because you genuinely like it and want to clean it up and have a play.

I don't get PVMs and I used work in broadcast so I've seen plenty of them but physiologically everyone is different and it may be for a certain subset of people there is nothing quite as good. Is it worth spending huge sums on them, again if you could spend that on cheap old consoles/computers and TVs not at this 'retro prices nonsense' but cheap at house clearance auctions you would get a fuck ton of systems and games. A lot of the TVs don't even go up at auction, I was just talking to someone a few days ago who was helping through hundreds of old CRT TVs out of a shut hotel. Last exit through the giftshop.

Why does majestic 1000 TVL equipment make /vr/ shit their pants in fear?

>>12117490
>with an acute interest
With a fake interest. I was still able to buy boxed Mega Drive and Super Nintendo games for £2 in 2008. And around £10 in 2012. It was between those years the foundations were laid to commodify and retard geek culture to hell and back with cheap smartphones and social media. After that point the prices never dropped.

Atari 2600 is quite affordable.

>>12117501
You have about... 2 input sources that will take advantage of it, Hi-Vision based formats like MUSE and WVHS.

>>12117415
Do you have any idea how much money it cost to get instant film production restarted again? We're talking tens of millions of dollars just to buy the factory. And millions more to rebuild the assembly line and more millions to find chemicals for the film dye. Most of chemicals are now either illegal or have long since ended production. But they still did it. Those photographers enthusiasts love film and don't want it to die.

>>12111415
>megatroon

>>12117546
I bought two PSPs for 3 each just a month ago sitting on a case in a charity shop. Both worked perfectly.Got a DS Lite with mario cart still in it for 4,also worked perfectly.I still see old systems in mixed lots at auctions missed in with boxes of books etc that sell for less than 15, it just I have them already and am not a reseller or scalper. Honestly I've everything I want at this point.I still see NESs with zappers and games going for 50-60 quite often.If you buy from scalpers expect to get scalped.I search auctions for keyworks like games and computer and just dig through the lots.You get a lot of lots that are stuff like old gameboys and games and accessories mixed in with stuff like portable DVD players and old phones.I never did this for making money though or because I though any of this would every be worth money,I just always liked cleaning it up and turning it on and having a play.Its not just old retro gaming stuff. I see scalpers in these stores going through every single music CD and checking the prices on their mobiles. Same with stuff like fantasy and science fiction books and DVDs and Blu Rays. Often the charity shops are not allowed sell electronnics so will have to bin it.Tell them you will dispose of old games machines and computers for them.I used get a lot of stuff that way.I've got 30+ running systems and thousands of games but I would never have even started except I saw them sitting there for cents when nobody wanted them.When the video rental stores shut down that also rented games tons of it just went to recyling or landfill because no one wanted old PS1/PS2 stuff.There are people on this thread who will ignore the stuff that is cheap and available now that was still physical media based and then scream blue murder in a few years because they can't afford it.Get stuff like the wheels, joysticks, PSUs, lightguns, cables, spare systems for parts for the stuff that is cheap folks and thank me later when it becomes unavailable.

>>12117549
Yes it is. I already have one and the cartridges I wanted though, they do need recapping though. A lot of stuff can be very cheap because eomeone tried to make it work and found it was dead. Very common with any old computer with a floppy disk operating system because the belts are nearly always rotten in the drives, even though is just a few dollars for a replacement and removing a few screws and wiping with isopropyl on the pully and gettinng the old perished rubber out to fix them. I think its a shame when people do stuff like soldered composite mods and 'upgrades' like extra capcitors to filter audio and vidual though.

Do people really play 100s for old PVMs? I had no idea my stuff had become valuable until one of my kids brought a friend over who was into old games. I stuck silent hill into a PS1 for him because he was looking at it to play on and he freaked out because he thought it was a precious antique. He also came back and tried to over me a few hundred for the silent hills and residenet evils which I thought was incredibly rude but I gave him a stack of old PS2 duplicates I had from mixed lots, he probably ran off and sold them. I'll bet this eventually passes as a fad but it won't bother me either way because my stuff will never be for sale anyway, I got it to keep and play with and I paid very little for it.


If you speand hundreds and hundreds and hundres on a small PVM what's your plan for trying to repair it when the tube goes? I mean if its a TV you only paid ten for who cares, into the skip it goes but if you've paid a lot for it what's the plan? When an electron gun is dead it's major work and hard to to fix, just ask the arcade cabinet guys

>>12117546
same with old roleplaying game stuff. Used to find it all the time mixed in with books in chaity shops never see it now it's also become scalped. Can believe a red box dnd set is now a collectable, but it is.

>>12117591
They didn't even restart it, it's all contracted out to Fuji, Efka, or one other company I forget which.

>>12111365 (OP)
Broadcast monitors are a meme.
Just get a regular TV set.
The image quality is far better.

Broadcast monitors are too sharp, they're meant to show all the flaws in the image. Low res games looks awful on them.
>>12111415
>burn in
>motion blur
>ABL cant be disabled
>life span is 12 months at best
Nah

>>12118072
>Broadcast monitors are too sharp
You know you can connect composite cables to them, right?

>>12117653
rf is gay

>>12117909
>They didn't even restart it, it's all contracted out to Fuji, Efka, or one other company I forget which

Your entire post is just wrong. Nothing you said is the truth.

>>12117653
>When an electron gun is dead it's major work and hard to to fix
How hard are we talking?

One of the best things of not living in burgerland, is that the CRT market here will never be as inflated because dumbass speculation.

Imagine that for this beauty modded with SCART one guy in my city asked for the equivalent of 35USD. The only reason i didnt buy it was because i own the famous Philips widescreen 28 inch, which was 15USD.

>>12118290
realistically impossible unless you have thousands to source unobtanium parts. That's the real problem with old arcade cabs being kept in OG form. That being said, the last generations of CRT TVs were very well made and will last many decades IF you look after them and keep them on surge protector and cleaned , things like voltage regulators and capacitirs improved a lot in quality and durability and cost throughout the 80s and 90s and and even fairly cheap CRT TVs were very well made and very durable by the 2000s

>>12118337
That's a nice one. Just looking through some of the small ads though it looks like people are noyw starting to ask for 100s for old TVs in the UK as well.

>>12118229Shopwing how little you know about retro gaming there. If it had not been for RF connections on Pong Machiens and 2600s that meant you could use them on TVs there would have been NO adoption of home gaming at all same for the real explosion in cheap 8 bit personal computers. RF was the only connector on many systems. I get a lot of people don;t give a shit about keeping stuff in original conndition (I do) and composite mod it and that's fair enough but RF was the ONLY way to connect a lot of old stuff to a screen as it was designed. There are BTW boxes that can act as RF tuners that you can plug an RF into and tune to it that will then output to composite or HDMI or whatever but if you want to plug in some thing like a VIC 20 as intended it goes into RF on a CRT TV or a speccy or a pong machine or whatever. Withour RF games machines would have stayed too expensive for mass adoption, TVs in the 70s and 80s were big ticket purchases (still in the 90s early and mid ). RF was not just based but gaming would not exist if it had not been there.

>>12118834
>or a speccy
Just to elaborate there there is not one model of speccy as some people think (the original rubber keyed one) but a whole range of them evolving up to 128K models with sound chips and RGB and disk drives. I'm talking about the original rubber keyed one. Its RF only unless you do a solder mod on it for composite (fairly easy on a spectrum but then the machine is no longer in original condition ) same with most stuff like pong machines or intelluvisions or 2600s (can also be modded but you need to take out some resistors). Its probably easier for most people not into repairs to get an external RF modulator tuner box as a bridge to composite and avoid fucking with old systems. They are fairly cheap. However if you want these systems cheap then you will be picking up ones that people think are dead and need recapping or whatever although there are a lot more places now offering to do repapir work on old machines than there used to be. When capacitors go bad in old systems and they are powered on, damage can occur to other parts maybe a memory chip has gone bad etc. It's hard to write an explatation because I don;t know whether many of you are new to all this or have soldering stations in your basements. Taking the example of teh VIC 20 though, there were only a couple of million of them made, probably half of them are deleted though being thrashed, there are a few hundred thousand of them about but there are a billion people who consider gaming and their hibby and now hundreds of millions who are also into exploring all the old stuff. It's innevitable I suppose that this tuff got more expensive. I just never saw it coming. If you wree into these old machines for a long time people just thought you were an excentric (I am) and were into worthless junk (and most of it was given away just to get rid of it).

Americans fear clear picture quality like they fear walking or eating a salad

>>12111365 (OP)
>playing MGS on a gamecube
>Speakers with magnets next to a CRT
NGMI all the ingredients are right but the meal is inedible

>>12118886
Literally fucking obsessed, we’re all you think about all day

>>12117357
>Except those devs designed the graphics to look a certain way on a consumer grade set. L
A handful of them did. Not all. I honestly don't give a shit that the waterfalls in the first level of Sonic 1 don't look "correct" when the rest of the game is as crisp and clear as it is on my gorgeous PVM.

>>12111685
composite was how 99.99% of people played back then and most consoles were shipped with composite cables

>>12115059
oldest zoomers are 30 right now retardkun

Anyone else take the monitorpill? I fortunately happen to still own from childhood both a CRT TV (with Composite, S-Video, and Component) and a CRT monitor.

>Own a PS2, N64, and Wii for 8/16-bit emulation on the TV
>Many N64 and PS2 games look and run like shit on real hardware, these things didn't matter as a child but now it impacts my enjoyment
>Still want access to everything from 5th/6th gen without having to buy all the consoles and mods for them, as well as being able to use any controller I want
>Get bothered by imperfect geometry and linearity like an autist, can't fix everything via service menu on my TV, no way in hell am I replacing capacitors and adjusting knobs

>Buy VGA-to-DisplayPort adapter to use the CRT monitor on my PC with RetroArch
>Easy control over geometry settings
>Can create different resolutions
>6th gen looks incredible, GameCube/PS2 rendered at high-res brutally mogs my TV on PS2/Wii hardware with component
>Better performance than original hardware, no nausea inducing slowdown on N64 games
>Option to use either 240p super resolution or 480p with interlacing shader for scanlines, or if you find that look too sharp because of the monitor's dot pitch, you can also experiment with CRT shaders at 960p and above if you have a capable monitor
>Shaders/filters to simulate the look of composite, S-video, and RGB, dithering, and other options to fine tune to your preference
>Still get the impeccable motion clarity of a CRT
>Also great for old PC games

I get the appeal of wanting to play on a big TV and wanting to play only on original hardware. But, if you don't mind the smaller size, emulating, and tinkering with settings, a CRT monitor is a solid alternative for retro gaming with similar upsides of a CRT TV (motion clarity, latency). Something to keep in mind because finding a decent monitor might be easier/cheaper at this point than a decent TV.

>>12111471
I still do.

>>12117125
People would never use PVM back then. Fact.
I wish you the best with your tiny screen that is inferior to an emulator on a modern display.
I often think some of these posts are simply designed to trick zoomers into buying overpriced ancient screens from resellers.
Nice chrono trigger image I guess.

>>12119160
He’s still correct though.

>>12119238
I use both, a 17" sony crt (I want a bigger one) and a 27" jvc tv. 6th gen games do indeed look great. with the retrotink5x all PS2 games look 480p.

I kinda think it's a waste of money mostly. My free HP monitor with a fluorescent backlight is a better experience.

>>12118821
>the last generations of CRT TVs were very well made
You mean when TVs became silver with flat screens? Shit. I was never going to be able to move a 32-inch sony wega by myself anyway.

>>12111871
Ticking off checklists is fun. If you don't get the dopamine hit from completing a good checklist of tasks etc, then good sets force you to experience all the game has to offer

>>12119324
retard

>>12119320
emulator fags thinking they are based
sad, nothing wrong with emulation but it's massively stupid to stick with it instead of the real thing when they were being given away for five bucks. The games were written to be played on the controllers and peripherals that were available for them and buy the time you are finished fucking around with trying to hook up an e,g PS1 fiching reel to an emulator you might as well have just got a PS1 while they are still fairly cheap. Some emulations are pretty neat like the retrogames stuff that matches original keyboards and cases or mister or the spectrum next or ultimate 64 but slumming it on a PC is nothing to be proud of. All the people who wrote the emulators owned the original machies......

>>12119238
What model do you have and at what size? I have one new old stock chink 17 incher, but I'm looking to get something with a diamondtron tube as well

how hard is it to convert an old CRT computer monitor?

>>12121087
I'm just using a cheap ViewSonic 17", manufactured in the mid-2000s and didn't have a ton of hours on it, so fortunately the tube is still fresh with good brightness. I also have a Sony monitor I found, but the brightness is so dim it's unusable, old Sony DAS software is the only way to attempt to fix it and it looks like a pain in the ass, so I haven't bothered. Just about any monitor 17" and above should have absolutely no problem doing 1280x960p and super resolutions like 2560x480p for RetroArch. If your intent is mainly just retro gaming and not pushing really high resolutions and refresh rates, then the one you already have should be perfectly fine, unless you really want an Aperture Grille type or a bigger monitor. I wish I could find a fuckhuge 19" monitor locally, but I'm content with what I have.

>>12121219
To connect it to a modern PC? A VGA-to-DisplayPort adapter. Some of those adapters might not support really high resolutions and refresh rates, but something like 2560x480p 60hz for RetroArch practically any adapter should support. The StarTech ones are what's usually recommended. I couldn't get my AMD gpu to recognize the monitor, could be the adapter I'm using, so instead I use the DisplayPort on my motherboard that uses my Intel cpu's igpu, then set RetroArch and other emulator apps to use the AMD gpu. For creating custom resolutions, I use Custom Resolution Utility. If you have an Nvidia gpu, you might have an easier time setting it up, I don't know how it works for Nvidia gpus

>>12120270
He’s correct though.
Your idiocy is not relevant.

>>12111365 (OP)
>Back in 2020 you could get a decent 20in PVM for like $150
bull fucking shit. Prices haven't been that good since like 2015.

>>12111471
I have a PVM, BVM, and a nice panasonic with a shadow mask. Even then, I'm considering doing an RGB mod for my 32" consumer trinitron. Love a PVM but the size issue can be a bit annoying. 13-14" is fine for a desk. 20" is fine if you're not too far away and just playing by yourself. But ESPECIALLY when doing multiplayer stuff, having people gathered around a 20" PVM just doesn't cut it.

>>12111365 (OP)
Whats the big deal with PVMs? I've never actually used one so I dont know what I'm missing out on. I'm just happy with a 32in JVC. I probably overspent on the one I own but its condition is really good. I just sold a smaller CRT I found for free to pay for it.

>>12121352
personally i just like how they are squared off unlike consumer sets, but really it's just slightly better picture with more adjustment knobs

>>12119238
The true end game is multisync monitors that can do 480p and 240i natively. Like rare NEC, mistubishi, and BVM/PVM shit. If I'm using a PC monitor I'm just gonna emulate 90% of that shit instead of bothering with converters/adapters/line doublers.

I regret all my big CRTs because 250 pound awkward sized stuff I have trouble moving sucks to own. Small to medium sized are the way to go unless you are really strong with no risk of back injury.

>>12121352
They accept RGB which is the highest quality signal most retro vidya consoles put out. It's basically the same signal used in computer monitors, but with the horizontal and vertical sync combined instead of separate. Effectively, they're arcade-quality monitors. It's technically a better quality signal than component video, but given the age of the equipment, that difference is likely negligible now, and you can buy component cables with built-in transcoders for most retro systems now.

>>12121363
>with more adjustment knobs
Most of those knobs on the front don't actually do anything in RGB mode, because the idea is that as long as your TV isn't malfunctioning, the color/saturation/tint shouldn't need any adjustment. All you can really do via knobs is brightness.

>>12121421
>multisync monitors that can do 480p and 240i natively
I owned a multisync PVM 20L5 for about a week before sending it back. I just remember it requiring too many geometry adjustments between 480p and 240p mode—it wasn't really an as effortless of a switch as I had imagined, and I don't really play many 480p games in the first place.
>Small to medium sized are the way to go unless you are really strong with no risk of back injury.
Yeah, I lugged two 32" JVCs up and down a flight of stairs a long while back, and it made me swear off of anything larger than a 27".

>>12121439
We both know that well made 32 inch TVs with stereo speakers and all the connectors and 16:9 are the peak though. No pain no gain sometimes.

>>12121421
They are not 125 lb though they are not even 60lb unless I am far stronger than I thought or you found something very overbuilt. Until you get a home of your own and can stop moving ANY retro stuff like arcade cabs or lots of old machines will be a pain. Then again you have the problem that the ship is leaving port on cheap and affordable and you need to act before it's gone.

>>12121352
>32in JVC
Nice. I do like the little 14-15 inch TVs for 8 bit RF stuff sometimes though

>>12121474
the ship has already sailed on arcade cabinets. biggest regret of my life is not getting a couple candy cabs 10 years ago. was looking at an egret II back then and could have had one shipped to my door for ~$1750, and now you're looking at $3000 before shipping for an astro city (good and popular, but less desirable than egrets since they're a pain in the ass to rotate) so I don't even want to know what egrets go for nowadays

>>12121471
>stereo speakers
Nah. CRT speakers are better than flatscreens, but if you really care about audio, you need to just get a dedicated receiver and some actual 3-way speakers. Even the cheapest shit you can find will be better than any modern entertainment system. It's insane how audio quality has suffered in the HD era.
>16:9
Double nah.

>>12111468
lightguns?

>>12121493
sure but what I was giving are the defining features of the ones you want because they were last gen and best made. Typicall 32 inch, with stero speakers of a matching triangular stand supports pal, ntsc, pal 50 has 16:9 and a good range of connectors. Simply because the compoents in them were vastly better than the ones a decade older.... a but like saying you know an elephant because it has trunk and big ears

>>12121553
>pal 60
typo

>>12121553
>defining features of the ones you want because they were last gen and best made
>16:9
16:9 CRTs are HD and thus pointless for retro vidya—they digitally upscale any signal below 720p, which leads to image degradation and input lag, which is the whole reason CRTs were preferred over LCD/Plasma in the first place.

I guess if you just want to be able to say you're using a CRT, then whatever. But they're also even heavier than regular CRTs, and any game in 4:3 (i.e.; 99% of retro vidya) would end up smaller than if you just played on a nice 27".

>>12121602
Read my fucking post and think before you reply looking for an arguement with your strawman discussion with yourself for fuck sake

>>12121486
The main of maintaining those old CRTs though, I comfort myself with that for having passed up a sit down star wars eons ago

>>12121930
>The pain
typo
>>12121602
you really are full of shit and have no idea what you are talking about m8

>>12117667
Are normalfags actually playing with those sets are they just collecting them?

>>12119320
>People would never use PVM back then. Fact.
Don't care for professional monitors especially aperture grill ones. I prefer low-mid range sets through RGB. Still this is such a complete utter dog shit argument
>I was a four year old shitting my diapers back in 1992, this means there was no such thing as enthusiasts who had professional video monitors
>The majority of people were poor fags, this means nobody actually bought the high range sets etc the list goes on

>>12121352
I've carried a few 32" JVCs, those fuckers are heavy.

>>12121924
I read your post. It's wrong. 16:9 CRTs are HD sets, and thus not ideal for SD content like retro vidya. Sorry about your brain problem.

>>12122341
>I was a four year old shitting my diapers back in 1992, this means there was no such thing as enthusiasts who had professional video monitors
There likely were some, but what was more likely was probably people with repurposed arcade monitors. I remember reading an article about how the screenshot techs at GameFan magazine used an arcade monitor to play and take screenshots with RGB, which is why they had some of the most gorgeous layouts at the time. Most other magazines and player's guides in the 90s just used composite to take screenshots, and it looked like shit, lol.

The notion that nobody cared about video quality in the 90s is indeed hilarious.

>>12117628
>I see scalpers in these stores going through every single music CD and checking the prices on their mobiles
those are resellers. You seem to be confused on the meaning of scalping. No one picking stuff out of thrift stores is a scalper.

>>12121474
60 pounds is fine but my CRT 230 pounds and I can't move it like I could 10 years ago. Owning a home doesn't mean you won't sell and move to another.

>>12123705
>16:9 CRTs are HD sets
Since when? We never got HD CRTs in the UK. They went straight to the lcds/plasma for HD.

>>12123815
>Since when?
Since always. There are some cheapo outliers, but the vast majority of 16:9 sets were HD. That was the whole point. The original anon I replied to specifically mentioned sets with "all the inputs" which would have been high-end, and thus HD.

>>12123857
they often were in the US, HD CRT's pretty much dont exist in europe, 100hz was the big thing here instead (since it removed the flicker from 50hz).

>>12123863
HD CRTs pretty much don't exist in the US either. I've seen like a few dozen out of thousands and thousands of CRTs in my lifetime. And most of those were at retail stores not selling due to the being the price of a car.

>>12123857
>>12123986
Only one of you is telling the truth. Still, I hate that we didn't get HD CRTs.

>>12123863
Most last generation sets were PAL/NTSC/PAL60 in europe but it's laughably incorrect to think they were HD. It shows zero comprehesion and a mindset framed by modern PC resolutions.

>>12124021
Neither of us are lying. He's right that all the widescreen CRTs were HD. But widescreen CRTs and by extension HD CRTs were really uncommon

>>12124048
So you had not that many widescreen CRTs in the US? I think almost every last gen UK CRT was widescreen not including those bedroom ones.

>>12124048
>He's right that all the widescreen CRTs were HD
Widescreen CRTs were available since the late 90s, and they definitely were not HD

>>12111365 (OP)
>Are the prices ever going down?
Only if game companies or third parties manage to create 1:1 reproductions of the original hardware and games.

>>12124110
wait
>CRT TVs
Never. Never ever. That tech is never coming back no matter what. Not only that but TVs themselves have a lifespan of about 20-30 years, and since the last ones came out in the early 2000s, they're in their dying days.

>>12121602
>16:9 CRTs are HD and thus pointless for retro vidya—they digitally upscale any signal below 720p, which leads to image degradation and input lag,
Youtube lied to you kiddo. There are 16:9 CRTs that can be set to not do that.

>>12124048
>He's right that all the widescreen CRTs were HD.
Hoseshit. Bollocks. Nonsense. I fucking own one.

Got my Ikegami TM20 80RH for $100 shipped just before the CRT hype hit some years back. Like milspec tier construction that blows away Sony and a more arcade like curved tube. Seller picked a mint one for me...just saw one sell for $2200 on eBay in worse shape than mine.

Got a bunch of regular CRT TVs I've found over the years free to cheap and that bargain Ikegami is the most expensive CRT display I will ever buy, sucks to be late to the game I guess.

>>12124114
>TVs themselves have a lifespan of about 20-30 years, and since the last ones came out in the early 2000s, they're in their dying days.
My 1973 working Trinitron says Hi! The electronics can be easily repaired as long as the tube is good and indeed an entire new chassis could be made new even to drop in.

You can still get CRTs for free so I don't understand how anyone is late.

>>12124048
You're both lying. That's why you're both drawing retarded conclusions and coping like mofos.

>>12124917
This
I have a bvm-1302P from '82, still works in perfect shape like it's new.

>>12124917
You say that like the average poster isn't deathly afraid of internals and shocks

>>12124459
>Bollocks
I'm talking about in the US, retard. Non HD Widescreen CRTs were barely produced here.

>>12124056
You weren't alive if you think widescreen non HD CRTs were commonly sold in the US.

>>12125117
You're just retarded and can't read.

>>12126025
>caught telling retarded lies
>u-u-ur retarded
Why are children today so mentally ill?

>>12126078
You're gay.

>>12121604
He was correct.
You are an idiot.
>>12111365 (OP)
You don’t need one.

>>12111883
I got a 9 inch Panasonic in June for $100 on ebay

gonna try and nab this for a deal, anyone have any info regarding this monitor? cant find much on it myself

>>12125093
getting mono sound only crts is sacrilege.

>>12126852
They are nice for TATE, most arcade stuff is mono anyway.

>>12126865
I suppose. I grew up with 2 of those kinds of sets though and it always drove me nuts, especially the sets that actually have stereo speakers but only one audio port.

>>12126872
You could always just open the set and plug out the speaker or disable it in the service menu. Then replace it with external stereo speakers.
Most built in speakers are kind of shit to be honest except for the top range sets.

I got myself a toshiba 14af5
how'd I do?

>>12126896
Not to be a douche but, I always tell people to at least get a 20-21". I remember being annoyed playing on such a small screen at one of my friends place.

>>12126905
I'm planning on putting it on a desktop next to my monitor so I didn't want something too big because I don't have the space. I think with the short distance the size shouldn't be a problem.
my last crt was about a decade ago a curved sharp tv around 17 inches I think and I didn't care for the large scanlines honestly or the space it took which is why I have it up.

>>12111365 (OP)
The cat is out of the bag but you can still get lucky. This year has been pretty good for me. I spent all of 60 bucks bagged a 20in wega(curb find), a 27in wega(free pick up), 13 jvc monitor(50 bucks), and a 29in NetTv multi format presentation monitor(10 bucks and a long drive). Just be patient. Leave the high priced listings for the impatient and be ready to pick it up. No one holds or waits for you.

21" is such a good size, unfortunately 20" were more widely available. Then there was also the case of manufacturers flat out lying here in europe. Shipping a tv with a 48cm tube instead of 51cm etc.

>>12126023
i think we've spotted the problem, genius. Sheesh.

>>12111365 (OP)
Use emulator you fucking soilenial.

>>12118935
>americans act like retards
>"hey americans you act like retards"
>WHY ARE YOU SO OBSESSED WITH US
>*eats another burger*

>>12119238
I actually just bought a monitor to play 90s PC games on. So far I've only gone through StarCraft (vanilla, haven't started Brood War yet) and I'm really enjoying it.

>>12126926
>The cat is out of the bag but you can still get lucky.
Who is actually buying this crap? I'll buy it because I'm a manchild nerd clinging onto the past. Are normalfags holding onto outdated technology because they think they'll make a killing and won't let go unless they get an exorbitant price for it?

>>12127591
touch the stove

What happened to that universal crt chassi project?
Most thrashed crts get tossed because of a failed cap, resistor, ic etc not some failing tube.

>>12111734
They're not scarce, I work at a garbage dump and they're abundant you disingenuous scamming shitskin. You and other scam scalping shitskins like your kind just use this excuse to artificially bump up the price of old, outdated technology.

>quick lemme put troon meme to make ppl think it's based and redpilled to artificially increase prices
>that'll show those chuds

>>12127995
When supply and demand is an enigma beyond your understanding simply blame the prices on indian scalpers. I'm racist so it must be the brown people that caused this.

>>12126802
I found this, it looks decent
https://web.archive.org/web/20001003185143/http://www.telalink.net/~griffin/monitors/Panas19.html
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=77889.0;attach=97215

>>12127591
fucKing retards don;t get that somone of us have own and use old machines we have had since the 80s and 90s because you're a retarded stupid spastic. Who the fuck do you think WROTE the emulators you scab off, that's right people who own the fucking machines you braindead dipshit. Nothing wrong with emulating in SOME situations but you really are thick as dried shit with your retarded spam and lack of comprehension. Other people can like other things.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND YOU FUCKING TARD Y/N

>>12127591
Fun fact you probably run ripped roms of games I worked on on your emulator. Just know as you play them I hope you die choking on your own shit you fucking parasite.

>>12128372
is it worth 200? i dont see nicer CRT monitors like these come up where im at very often

>>12127995
nta but what did you pick out yourself?

>>12128394
>Who the fuck do you think WROTE the emulators you scab off
not you so get over yourself sperg

>>12128398
Assuming the seller can prove it's in good condition and that thing at the top left is just goo from a sticker or something and not a burn I'd go for it, I'm lucky if I can find anything bigger than 17" here but idk what the prices are like over there

>>12128394
>us
>we
Are the voices in your head making up stories about your past life experences again?

>>12111365 (OP)
As time goes on there are less and less of them around, so no they probably wont go down soon if ever. There might be some small company that starts making them for enthusiasts but i doubt it will do much for the price

>>12128545
>There might be some small company that starts making them for enthusiasts
I can't imagine that ever happening just for the costs alone.
What you get is shit like retrotink scalers and fpga crap for people to larp with.

>>12128463
>t. talentless parasite bum

>>12117554
>rgbs, rgbhv, composite, ypbpr, y/c
>vga, bnc, dvi/hdmi (hdcp compliant)
>240p -> 1440p, even higher interlaced

>>12128614
take your self loathing elsewhere bub, you can still make it if you try

>>12118072
>burn-in
Most TVs have methods of making sure that doesn’t happen. You’d have to leave the screen on the same image for an absurd amount of time before burn-in happens in any case.

>>12128882
I still go with full arrays over oleds because I'm not rolling the dice just because some shills and well intentioned anons online say theres nothing to worry about and I couldn't be happier.

you cant afford to fix it. crts are dead

>>12128907
and why i say dead they are a major pain to fix, transport, power, use

then you get one and the image is shifted because the tubes are dead.

>>12128869
yes your a worthless poisionous little scabbing talentless shit and that's all the people who made the games and systems you've made the center of your life think of you.

>>12128929
hmmm but can you actually prove that tho?
I can't imagine you're friends with any of them to verify that.... or that a miserable fuck like you has friends at all lmao

>>12128614
ret.ard

>>12127591
Sorry, my genitals are still intact.

>>12129317
In realistic terms, I have quite the collection of physical media, spanning the best 8-16bit sexy. I have played all of my games, as I do not believe in hoarding plastic, or appealing to some fegs on youtube. That being said, there are cases for emulation. My genitalia are in tact, am man, 41, to be exact. I only specify this, in a granular fashion, because I like pasta. I also dislike this tribal warfare like mentality that exists between emulation vs original hardware. It's like smelly nerd play ground battles.

>>12124898
finance literacy fact for you.and everyone else with the same mindset

you're effectively paying over 2000 dollars for your Ikegami TV if what you said is true. What you paid for it back in the day is irrelevant

this goes for everyone else also who thinks they won by buying an expensive monitor before the prices blew up. If its now worth 500 dollars, that is what you're paying to use it, not the original cost

Amazing that people still don't understand this

>>12129328
have sex

>>12129357
it seems like you're saying since its worth 2000 dollars now, if you don't sell it to gain that profit, then you basically paid 2000 dollars for it.

Makes sense.

>>12129358
>Implying.
If you only knew. However, I don't care what Donald from Delaware, thinks.

>>12112056
I'd look in to this if plasmas weren't so fucking heavy

>>12129509
And hot as swamp ass. Not really an issue in a colder climate, though.

>>12128169
>>12128404
The supply is abundant, as I just told you, and I am aware of this. The retro community is small, there's barely any demand. You are a lying piece of shit. Oh and nice way of outing yourself.

>ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS A TRANNY
>NOOOOOO SAAR YOU CAN'T MAKE FUN OF ME THAT'S RACIST

>>12129606
You are delusional. The demand has increased significantly while the supply has decreased. Keep being schizo about trannies and brown people though it really help you look reasonable.

>>12130046
>demand has increased significantly
>supply has decreased
>source my ass
Yes retard, all of those CRTs (many of which are PVMs) that are in the e-waste recycling plant I work at are just my delusion. Fucking retard.

Btw you're the one who uploaded a tranny soiboy gif, so fuck off you disingenuous scalping fuck.

>>12129552
yeah unfortunately I live in Florida lmao

>>12130053
>Btw you're the one who uploaded a tranny soiboy gif, so fuck off you disingenuous scalping fuck.
Not even me, schizo. You seem to not understand supply and demand so whenever I see you crying about "muh scalpers" I can't help but point out that you have the understanding of a child.

>>12130053
All the ebwaste places around here don't let you pick anything. You got to wait for them to inventory it and sell it for $500 or more likely they just shreed it to get recycling bucks from the state

>>12130053
>I work at an e-waste recycling plant and I see SO MANY junk CRTs!!! Therefor they are not in demand!
Yikes.

>>12124024
>It shows zero comprehesion and a mindset framed by modern PC resolutions.
No. We're just not Europoors, lmao.

>>12130557
>>12130573
Still no argument to be had, when you present basic common sense to them they just resort to this.

>>12130569
People here grab this shit and sell it on ebay for thousands of dollars under the guise of supply and demand, like some of the sociopaths in this thread.

You're getting had hard because at one point someone was retarded enough to waste 6000 dollars on a listing on ebay which no one would've otherwise bought, so it gave these scalpers confidence in the last year or two to do this shit. Thankfully most of the time people aren't that stupid to buy it when they do sell it for that ridiculous price, but that is why you see it now. Just don't buy them at that price, it only encourages the behavior.

Please God, kill everyone in this thread.

>>12130650
The people selling them didn't make the price that high. The low supply combined with the high demand did. If there were less sellers the prices would be even higher.

>>12116872
internet forums are children and turbo-losers

you dun goofed if you're on here as an adult

>>12130740
Based but you are in too and so am I.
Perhaps it is a small price to end this bullshit.
I just got a 90inch modern screen by the way, much better for retro games.

>>12130908
Which of those two are you?

>>12130740
As long as it kills you too

>>12130894
The sellers did make the price that high because of 2 things: a few content creators on YouTube got them attention and because around the same time one or two sellers put unpackaged, unused ones up for prices in the thousands. Then scalpers saw that and took advantage of it, grabbing CRTs from garbage dumps and whatnot and selling them for a price well above what they should be.

But if you want to believe otherwise then fine, If you went to any of these CRT groups selling it for prices like that though you'd have your post deleted or made fun of and not end up selling it.

>>12131169
he's gay

>>12131734
>muh scalpers and youtubers
The prices are high because the demand is high and the supply is low

>>12131767
Interesting you say that, because there were less sellers before yet the prices weren't as high. Go on then, go to a CRT group and sell them for that price and tell me what they say.

>>12131779
they said they'll buy it

>>12131790
Show me.

>>12131779
There are more sellers because the demand is high. Those sellers increase the supply and keep the prices down. If there were less sellers the prices would be even worse. Are you just pretending to be retarded or are basic economics incomprehensible to you?

>>12134063
There are just scalpers and 1 dumb asshole is all it takes to sell a BVM for 2000-4000. Doesn't bother me I got what I needed when I knew faggots would ruin this once they caught up to it.

>>12134135
The price is that high because of the high demand of something with a low supply. Not imaginary scalpers.

>>12134063
>>12134139
I've been looking at the retro computing as a whole for about a decade now, and I know for a fact they only increased once scalpers got into the market which is after people like LTT made videos on this shit. I've also seen COUNTLESS times on ebay and facebook marketplace people selling these things for about $50 and then the next day the same ones reappear at a price of like $600. EVERY group is aware of scalpers and flippers and keeps them out of said groups.

So who do you think you're fooling? Fuck off.

>>12134167
I'm just stating facts. The retro computing scene had the same thing happen to it. It was not scalpers you fucking retard. The exposure in those videos caused the DEMAND to INCREASE while the SUPPLY continued to DECREASE because old things break and are no longer being produced. Every single unit thrown away or not repaired is one less unit of supply while demand is ever increasing. Things that popularize an item like LTT's videos make the demand skyrocket and cause a burst in prices. This has nothing to do with scalping. Scalping is when someone buys the entire supply of something to control the price.

There's surely some scalping happening like with anything but there isn't a centralized method for someone to control the supply of an item like CRTS or retro computers. You can't go to the store and buy them out like a ticket booth. You might think flipping something for profit is scummy but it's still not scalping. You would need the means to control the supply to a degree that lets you set the price. If you can prove that's happening do it, otherwise you just sound like a conspiracy theorist.

>>12134139
Get a load of this grownup who understands how market economics works.

based linus got me into this hobby

>>12134167
>like 4 guys selling crts with a decent supply
>whatever normalish prices. Like 200-300 including shipping
>ltt and some others makes crts go viral
>still only 4 guys selling maybe one more guy found some too.

>see an Insignia with s-video on the side of the road
>cord already cut
I barely have room in my place but is it worth going back around for it?

I prefer a nice consumer set to a PVM any time. S Video Sonys are still free around me. Go grab one and use it, S Video is perfectly fine for 480i and down

>>12135428
You living in the middle of bumfuck nowhere doesn't make what I said wrong.

>>12136983
If this is such easy money sitting on the table you should start scalping too, undercut the evil scalpers and bring the prices down.

>>12136836
yeah replacing a power cable is really easy beginner DIY stuff. Easy to get a plug kit at the hardware store and do it in a couple minutes.

Sometimes people leave these out on the curb. Look around wherever older people live

>>12137113
>wherever older people live
For OP that's literally anywhere except the maternity ward.

>>12137092
I'll see if it's still there in the morning, stopped when my roommate was driving and there were already people at another spot picking up something left on the road.

>>12129357
Selling stuff is a fucking hassle, something I definitely attach a dollar value to. My time is valuable and trying to sell shit to picky autists is asking to much so I'll remain happy with the status quo and keep the monitor.

>>12129357
>finance literacy fact
>finance inlitteracy underage rant
Why are mentally ill children like this?

i've had some crts sitting in a hot storage unit for 5 years and soon i'll finally have enough space to move them, what are the chances they are fucked/have roaches or something in them

>>12130936
>Based but you are in too and so am I.
>he doesn't want to die
Sad.

>>12138034
100% guaranteed. give them to me and I'll dispose of them.

>>12138034
>hot storage
totally fine as long as there is also medium to low humidity and low temperature fluctuation (which is never the case since you always have one or the other)

>>12138269
it's florida
one of them worked when i took it out 2 years ago and it was a cheap dell one so maybe it's fine

>>12136993
Seen this a couple of times too.
Some random 14" no name brand TV was sold for 10 bucks. Not even a week later the fucker appears for 150+.
Shameless bastards.