Cutesy artstyle aside, is Etrian Odyssey the peak of dungeon crawling?

>>3763693 (OP)
Yes this series was incredible

Also wanna add this

4>3>2>5>1

Persona Q was great. I didn't beat PQ2 but I'm sure it's good.

>>3763745
4 was casualized shit

>>3763693 (OP)
It's a great series to get children into the subgenre.

>>3763748
Oh nooooo this game doesn't have an unwinnable random encounter that wipes you on the first turn, kusogeee kusogeee

Idiot.

>>3763748
Retard

>>3763767
>>3763755
Dungeon floor space was nearly half of 3's, and that was split between a bunch of worthless 3x3 detours. It was garbage.

>>3763874
>I didn't like it, therefore it's objectively garbage, my opinion is fact.

/v/ is that way.

>>3763755
>Oh nooooo this game doesn't have an unwinnable random encounter that wipes you on the first turn, kusogeee kusogeee
in other words, its piss easy.

There is objectively nothing bad about the higher level quality of EOs art direction

>>3763746
PQ2 is really, really good.

>>3763755
Niggit spacing
>>3763901
>Complaining about /v/
>When he's generalize someone's opinion
>All while shilling 4
Lol. Kek-lmao even.

>>3763693 (OP)
Yeah it's pretty good. However I would only recommend 3 and nexus and if you still want more etrian play untold 2.
Beating 3 without a guide is quite a challenge.

>>3763693 (OP)
It delivers well on the basics, and drawing the maps yourself is a soulful touch.

>>3763693 (OP)
I only ever played 5 and i didn't like dungeon crawlers when i was younger finished it when i was older. Can you guys recommend me wich one i should play next?

>>3764253
Any after and including 3 are good

>>3764180
I would disagree? It's maybe a bit more balanced than PQ when you're running optimal strats, but the dungeons (both in terms of themes and gameplay), the plot, replay value, and the character interactions are all loads worse.

>>3764253
You're going to have to be a real person and explain what you liked and didn't like about the game in order to get an actually relevant response anon. Come on.

Peak of "anime dungeon crawlers"

>>3764253
EO2 Untold is the best game in the series. Couldn't go wrong picking that.

>>3763746
I love persona and etrian odyssey. But I never could get into persona q. Dunno why. It just feels like the two don't mesh well together.

>>3763748
I play etrian odyssey for the sense of adventure and how fun it is to explore, fight, loot, and map. With that said, 4 did the best job with these elements by combining the over world air ship exploration with the dungeon crawling.

5 felt like a step back and sorta phoned in with its back to basics approach. I would have preferred seeing the direction they went with 4 expanded upon.

>>3764284
You're right, the simplified dungeons, plot and visuals don't do the game any favors but the boss and random encounter balance made Q2 a ton of fun for me. It's just my preference then, I think it's an improvement and overall a good game.

>>3764124
>higher level quality of EOs art direction
True but that's not himukai cameltoe lolis, but rather the ghibli like backgrund art and settings and gorgeously lushy labyrinths.

I tried other dungeon crawlers like elminage and labyrinth of yomi but I always end up getting sick and bored of the dour or hellish dungeons.

>>3764356
What are the other one's aside from class of heroes and unchained blades?

>>3763693 (OP)
I prefer SMT and persona q.

>>3763693 (OP)
Yes

>>3764460
>I play etrian odyssey for the sense of adventure and how fun it is to explore, fight, loot, and map.
this is why i play games.
which games do you like anon? i'll check out EO4 next

Can't play this shit on the switch

>>3764366
The dungeons are awful.

>>3763693 (OP)
I like the series but the dungeons are too featureless. Where are my dark heart of ukruul successors?

>>3763693 (OP)
they're actually quite forward thinking when it comes to the genre, especially when they try adapting the classic wizardry system further after Wiz5 compared to most of their contemporaries. 1-3 were huge coomerbait loli games before they pivotted to something tamer like Untold though

>>3765546
If you want an adventure it doesn't get better than xenoblade x. They just remastered that this year.

The first half of the game where you're mostly finding probes on foot is so fun. So is just flying around in jet form later on in the game.

>>3767712
>1-3
you say that as if 4 and 5 didn't have lolibait characters too.

>>3767764

>>3767722
hm, i looked at it but it wasn't my style.
too much running past everything. a lot locked behind the story which had awful writing. the combat felt like arpg but no collision...

despite all that it's beautiful and if those other things didn't bother me i'd love it same as you.l

>>3767764
Dancer isn’t the EO4 loli, Rune is.

>>3765888
Can’t you? I thought the steam ports of 123 were also on switch

I'm about to play the first game, what am I in for? Got the games on a whim because I wanted a JRPG

>>3767989
Unrelenting rape right from floor 1

>>3767989
1 - you should play on the higher difficulty
2 - fun exploration and map drawing, really gets you into navigating the floors
3 - really solid music
4 - difficult fights. Especially at the beginning you will get rolled by random encounters, and the possibility of that happening never really goes away. Being able to get yourself out of bad situations is as important of a skill as avoiding getting into them
5 - The classes in 1 are okay? It leans pretty traditional and you don’t get into the more unique classes until later games. the balance can also be a little bit janky . If you’ve played rpgs it should be intuitive enough to make a decent party, but don’t feel compelled to stick to anything bog standard.
6 - Think about your characters beyond just their mechanical role. The game is light on story, so a lot of it is open for your interpretation of your guys. This is a draw for the series for a lot of people.

>>3767722
>Recommending MMO combat in a turn based kino thread

>>3768025
He’s just shilling, don’t bother him

>>3767712
>forward thinking
We've reached a point where going back in time is considered forward progress, I see.

>>3763693 (OP)
The cute anime art artstyle is part of the charm, though. Your characters can actually look like smoothfaced newbies and princesses that should not be there at all ready to get their asses obliterated by first monster they will meat, it's nice and makes brutality of this kind of games even more visceral.
Also, fact that the artist likes to draw more rauchy loli stuff as a side gig is filtering any normies. Call me whatever you want, but this kind of games can only get worse with general audience in mind so having something scaring normies away is good.

>>3763746
Persona Q's game balance is terrible.
>>3767989
Wizardry 1 except with fewer "fuck you" systems (aging) and better balanced. Still kinda jank, especially the DS version. I'd go with HD if you can. Fun game.

>>3767989
Don't quit when you get instagibbed by level 3 butterflies, this happens to everyone, EO1 is a pretty fun game.

>>3768120
EO died because it "scared normies away" lol

>>3768222
>Persona Q's game balance is terrible.
just don't spam the insta-kill moves every single mook fight and you'll have fun with it. It's just a matter of being a real person

>>3768257
>EO died because it "scared normies away" lol
No it died because there isn't a handheld market anymore.

>>3768257
It died because Nintendo didn't keep going with the DS concept, it needed that separate touchscreen.

Does the Switch even have a touchscreen?

>>3763693 (OP)
Yes, it is. It's really the ultimate expression of the form, though the later entries once again retread the same path of bogging down the mechanics.

>>3768274
>just don't spam the insta-kill moves every single mook fight
I don't. It's still tedious and boring. If you're half competent and on anything but merciless, you're nearly one shotting everything anyway. If you're on merciless, the game ping pongs between braindead and fucking annoying, occasionally landing in the sweet spot, which is great fun.

>It's just a matter of being a real person
Oh fuck off. I understand eschewing the dominant strategy for the sake of fun, and I don't mind slow games. I like Mystery Dungeon and Etrian Odyssey, for fuck's sake, I understand this. That doesn't change that Persona Q's math is just shit. It plays better than P2-5 (you could make an argument for 1, but only on the grounds of dungeon design, which is also lacking in Q compared to most of EO, but not outright bad), but that doesn't make it a fun blobber.

I love PQ's combat system, but the game was tuned to be steamrolled and both that + the poorly implemented hardest mode are really unpleasant.

>>3768257
>EO died
They put the next game on hold because COVID + SMTV's development being a clusterfuck. Project either restarted after VV launched or they're back in pre-pro.

>>3768064
i'd say it's more like using that format of grid-based dungeon crawling where it also pulls off some fun gimmicks (mapmaking, voices for attacks/interactions etc) and sometimes innovations (FOEs, class system revamps, food boosts etc) it has for it. the japanese really don't like the Wiz8 system somehow, which is as advanced as dungeon crawlers can get

>>3768778
Wiz8 is cool but I really wouldn't want to play 5 games like that.

>>3768312
The Switch has a touchscreen, and while the genre is kinda dead, there's still other dungeon crawlers coming out and they just do automapping
>but le mapping is EOs gimmick and identity
to me its identity is having by far the best classes and bosses, thus best combat, in any turn based game, so I want them to keep making games, I like the mapping, but it's not essential

>>3763693 (OP)
>30 floors of the same shrine tileset in eo nexus
At least make the first 4 shrines palette swaps of each other and in the final dungeon we get something new. Also for some reason the postgame shrine got unique music while the endgame shrine was just remixed version from the previous ones.

>>3768257
Devs are still saying that they work on the next game, but if and when will it materialize?

>>3768959
>mapping
>not essential
My nigga mapping is THE main appeal of Etrian Odyssey

>>3769080
The main appeal is that they're some of the best blobbers of all time. The mapping is nice, but it's a gimmick, not the core.

>>3768064
EO definitly does new shit that improves on the genre. But in general yes, Old thing good New thing bad.

>>3769080
The mapping is the main advertising point, not the main appeal. These are two different things.

>>3763745
Patrician taste.

>>3763746
Persona Q was a slog to get through. The enemies had too much bloated HP, there was no gradual battle music change as the game went on, there's no sixth location, and the characters are dumbed down as much as possible. Not to mention Rei's obnoxious food shtick that they try to make into something emotional later.

>>3767765
That's not lolibait. It's just a Lalafell.

>>3767977
I mean that trying to map things out on the switch touchscreen is fucking unbearable compared to the DS

>>3771749
Lalafells are lolibait

*uses an ariadne thread*

>>3763693 (OP)
7th Dragon VDF is better

>>3775968
Did you mean a warp wire?

i want to like this game but i just don't like drawing the map.

>game about drawing maps
>draws in minor attracted people
sasuga Atlus

>>3763693 (OP)
I think V is really fun to play, but unfortunately it really shows that it was rushed at the end. It essentially stops having a plot after the 3rd stratum, which is really disappointing after III and IV actually worked pretty hard on theirs (and the food system lmao. going from U2's fully fleshed out restraint to finding the same fucking apples everywhere is embarrassing).
Still, I really did the classes and the title system - you have a ton of different ways to make your team, and unless you're doing something very stupid (usually overlapping on the pet/bunker/zombie slot) there's a way to make pretty much any combo work. Honestly I prefer it to subclassing or grimoires, because it the solution for "what should I do with this character" isn't always going to be "put the same broken skill on it that you'd put on every character"

>>3767712
If anything Himukai became more of a pedophile as the games went on, not less. His girls went from looking like abstract anime stick girls to having the baby fat of real children.

>>3776591
>If anything Himukai became more of a pedophile as the games went on,
This is based, for the record.

>>3763693 (OP)
It's definitely up there. The most baffling thing to me is that it revitalized the genre(to an extent; it's not exactly popular but it's not dead like it used to be) and showed everyone how to do it but a vast, vast majority that came after EO are significantly worse.

>>3768959
>I like the mapping, but it's not essential
wrong and cope.

>>3763693 (OP)
Peak of combat in the genre from 3 onwards at the very least. I understand that the dungeons are neither large nor complicated enough for some of the more autistic wizardry fans but I've yet to find a series where even the random encounters are engaging.

>>3763693 (OP)
Do you use automap?

Isn't mapping just tedious?

Mapping is kind of boring

>>3763745
3>>>5>2>>4>1
>>3779183
>>3779185
It's more enjoyable on the NDS and 3DS most of the time since you have stuff to do while battles are playing out and you, you know, actually DRAW them

>>3763693 (OP)
It had a flavor for every kind of player even hagfuckers and barafaggots. Based Himukai.

>>3779183
>>3779185
Nah

>>3779324
HD Remake of 3 even added a grandma farmer.

>>3779161
Automap only marks walls, so desu it's absolutely okay to use. It just cuts off the most tedious part while leaving all the landmarks for players to mark. It also still allows you to mark walls and walkable paths manually, so if you see or deduce that somewhere is walkable space and you don't want to waste steps, you can mark it without walking.

>>3779183
>>3779185
Soulless zoomer zombies. You don't even count as alive in my eyes.

>>3779675
>Bugman zombie excited over his shadow calling others zombies
>Thinks he's alive for a shit gimmick when he doesn't even draw the maps on paper himself
Lol. Mayo, with a kek even. Bet you think next stage is coming out too. You got btfo by experience inc. Deal with it.

>>3779681
>>Thinks he's alive for a shit gimmick when he doesn't even draw the maps on paper himself
Projection lol

>>3779810
>He confirms he's too beta whipped to directly draw the maps like the old days.
>Kekperience inc stole the main artist for their next reskin
Kwab!

>>3779811
>DBSpic
Not going to bother.

>>3779675
Automap is not okay
You are a fraud

>>3779813
>Non scholar
Never stood a chance

>mapping sucks
>mapping is tedious
>hold down cursor on map screen
>move
>maps level for you

*uses an ariadne thread*

>>3763693 (OP)
the only good one was 5 and even then it's slop.

>>3763693 (OP)
yes, absolutely.
heartbreaking that it's completely dead because it's legitimately the best franchise in the genre and it's like, NOT close. hardcore grognards will complain that they're too simplified but frankly the combat in EO is just too much better than the rest.