>bro its wayyy better than the original, its a remake done right!!
>environments look 10x worse than the ps1 prerendered backgrounds
>the hardest difficulty is still way easier than ps1 universe thanks to adding 3 hit combos, staggering, and all the other additional powercreep
>the dungeon designs are completely changed for the worse for no good reason
>the voice acting is cringe and has lost all its original cheesemaxxed soul
>cave of trials is an absolute joke now
>literally no new content that is actually interesting or meaningful, just some pointless raid fights to powercreep you even more and a boring fishing game
>you can now summon cameo characters that are totally out of place as assists in battle to powercreep you even more
>awful new character art that is barely any better than the psp abomination
>"""QOL""" features that make the game play itself, so based

thanks for getting my hopes up fags. im gonna go ahead and stick to the ps1 version.

oh and I forgot to mention

>meaningful progression of leveling up killer moves by actually using them has been removed, you can now just dump skill points into them immediately and have it maxed out as soon as you get it

fuck this game

Having every creation skill available at the start to level up as you see fit really breaks the game in half.

>>3764565 (OP)
Any mods for it?

>>3764661
Let's be honest, by this point everyone interested in this game knows the Determination and skillpoint hoarding meta, that's why it's at the top of the list.

>environments look 10x worse than the ps1 prerendered backgrounds
Dunno, you tell me.

>>3764984
soul vs soulless. the ps1 sprites look totally out of place as well.

>>3765076
>soulless
I dunno, if I want a remake I don't want something that is a 1-on-1 recreation of the original game.
It might not be perfect but it's the best JRPG remake so far with all the added QoL and smooth UI it has (FF7R not included because it's a different game entirely)

I don't care about "soulsearchers" when they are just blatantly cherrypicking and have unrealistic expectations.

>>3764967
Hoarding was one thing but even then you had to actually still get far with a pile of unspent points. In the new version you can level up determination, and get the rabbit outside the first town.

>>3765116
>but even then you had to actually still get far with a pile of unspent points
You can reach Harlie almost right at the start. Don't fucking shittalk me.

>>3764565 (OP)
AFAIK the old va is available

>>3764565 (OP)
Never played the game, should I get remake or nah? I don't have a ps1.

>>3765163
play the original on duckstation.

>>3765165
My dear chum, I will do that. After I replay re2 and jade cocoon. Good thing I asked.
A decent new game like jade cocoon would be awesome.

>>3765139
You're stupid as hell.

I actually just started this series from 1. I'm now on 4. What the fuck is with 3's dungeons? They're not good in the slightest. Actually go on for too long. End game drags on and on and you have to get there by going through puzzle after puzzle. The twist is whatever. Kinda letdown since I actually wanted to fight God in some surreal 4d space not some office faggot.

>>3765417
yeah I love 3 overall but the dungeon design is pure fucking aids. just endless corridor spam thats impossible to navigate without staring at the minimap the entire time.

>>3765423
I got to the golem fight and didn't look to the right in that room. Basically went into the left door into the optional dungeon that you have to lower the water level and figure out a maze in the dark. I thought that was the way to progress the story but nope. Had to reload 2 hours earlier to realize there was a door to the right.
That optional dungeon was genuinely torture and I was drooling with caveman anger. I just assumed you enter the one where the golem came out of.

>>3765417
you mean you don't like the 3-in-1 mega dungeon? the mountains, the ruins of barr, and then the lava caverns?

>>3765669
No lol!!! The backtracking makes everything worse. I've noticed 3 has a weird cult fanbase. Pop their heads out of the ground like moles whenever Star Ocean games get compared.

>>3765678
ps2 nostalgia is strong and rightfully so but fuck Id much rather play 4 with its retarded characters. the dungeons and combat were actually fun

I only played the PSP remake but did the original have voice acting?

>>3766012
I keep seeing that 4 has dumb characters. Mainly the girls. Why?

>>3766106
one of them is like a 5 year old girl who has an incredibly annoying voice and mannerisms. says 'KAY?? after every sentence. another one is like... a 12 year old catgirl, who also sounds incredibly annoying, but she kicks ass in battle. and then you have the protagonist, named EDGE MAVERICK who is just all kinds of cringe. everyone else is fine. I guess serah is kind of a doof as well. but you also have best girl reimi and fat tits black mage myuria so all is forgiven, game is kino.

>>3766096
It had some in battle clips and maybe some in the cutscenes but that's it

>>3766106
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNauq6_9iP0

>>3766133
>>3766138
I think I can handle it lol. Edge Maverick is a crazy name for a protag.

>>3764984
Really shit scaling in the remake pic, lmao.

>>3764565 (OP)
I just googled the base game and the remake.
The remake environments and character art look amazing. I'm gonna ignore the rest of your post it's probably as retarded as your tastes.

>>3766917
its an excellent game either way and Im happy for anyone new to try it. I can even see the appeal of the new graphics, though i personally prefer the old ones. but you ARE objectively getting the watered down, babby version of the game with demake, so do you.

>>3764565 (OP)
3 hit combo came from the psp port actually.

As somebody whose favorite game is SO2, the remaster is great. It's specifically made for people who liked to minmax and destroy the original game. I think I remember some people at release who were fire timers thinking the game was pretty difficult

>>3766138
Jesus Christ, I'm glad I stopped playing these after beating 3.

>>3767393
VI is actually pretty good.

>>3767497
Looks like shit. Is that supposed to be sexy?

>>3764565 (OP)
Worst post on the board award

>>3767497
Im about to start VI for the first time. loved 1-4 a ton so Im excited. Ive skipped V because everything ive heard about it just sounds incredibly unappealing.

The original sprites clashed with the environment as well but the demake looks like procedurally generated assets with the character sprites ripped from the original with bloom and embossing slapped on.

>>3764984
I love the old pre rendered. The new backgrounds are just too jarring with the pixel characters

I thought it was great and looked amazing. Not everything has to be an ego display about how OG 1337 you are (I started on IIGS and NES), sometimes you can just enjoy a good game.

>>3768282
>too jarring with the pixel characters

Did you not play any of the ps1 and ps2 rpgs with 2d characters and 3d backgrounds?
SO2R and HD2D are just the next step of those

>>3768282
I'm positive that prerendered done correctly can look much better nowadays than 30 years ago. I wonder why no one bothers?

>>3768302
Because pre rendered stuff was originally used out of necessity. Because they couldn't full render things in 3d either because of tech issues or because of budget reasons. A lot of stuff back then wasn't done out of choice it was done because they had to. And naturally these leads into the limitation breeds creativity stance.

>>3768435
Yadayada, limitations are necessary for innovation aso. Sure. I'm saying this technique has likely not been perfected, yet.

>>3768294
>next step
more like a step backwards, e.g. Xenogears had extremely pixelated sprites but it still looked coherent, this garbage looks like the characters are trying to look like paper Mario rejects drawn on square paper

>>3768468
Looks good to me

>>3768503
Then you're blind.

>>3768503
Dang this looks bad, but the original had some wonky looking rooms too

>>3768525
Of all the praise the original got in it's time very few people were gushing over it's graphics or trying to call it "Beautiful."

>>3768468
Xenogears a shit.

>>3768468
>>3768503
Crazy how the post-processing and angle really ruin the aesthetic in the HD2D shit. Totally looks like cardboard people.

>>3768694
Reminds me of...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjvt6xqKwV8

>>3764984
Looks so generic. The pre-rendered background looks more unique.

>>3768694
the angles are all just so flat.

Starting 4. Give me some tips NOW.

>>3764984
fucking he’ll this board, the right looks so much better it isn’t even a comparison

>>3769652
Plug your ears and pray to whatever god you hold dear

>>3767497
is this worth playing just for this titty monster?

>>3769652
make reimi your party leader asap, she is a lot stronger and more fun than MC. level up harvesting and mining asap. talk to all the NPCs as there is a ton of optional quests that are missable, if youre a completionist type. if you dont care then its not necessary. when traveling between planets, dont rest just keep talking to people to trigger PAs. dont bother with item creation until post game, you wont need it until then anyway and its better just saving all your material for the good stuff.


>>3769702
aside from the second planet where the most obnoxious character by far is introduced, its really not that bad. if youre ever played 2 then youve endured worse VA.

>>3769855
Oh thank god I can leave Item Creation alone for that long. 3's was really annoying at first and I put that off until a good bit in. Is post game just gonna be Maze of Tribulations or something? I skip post games in jrpgs if its just for gameplay. If it offers something to the story and gameplay I'll do it.

I hate the lazy mirrored sprites so much.

>>3769871
yeah its just gameplay like all the other tri ace post games. its meaty though, theres two dungeons and the second one has 20 floors.

How hard is it for these bugmen to make competent ai in this series?

>>3764565 (OP)
What's the best jrpg series for waifufags like me?

>>3772687
Faia Emburem
Literally has shipping mechanics integrated as combat buff

>>3772694
Nah. The waifufaggotry became too in-your-face in nu-fire emblem. They felt unnatural and soulless. I liked the old ones though.

>>3772701
Who says nu faia emburem only lol

>>3772687
I mean persona is the ultimate waifu game. its shit as a jrpg but the waifu material is peak, and you get to date them like a VN.

>>3772687
you now remember rena NTR'ing claude across the entire first disc until she conveniently settled for him in disc 2 after she was all out of options. thankfully in my playthroughs he always goes for precis instead, a loyal girl who doesnt play games.

>>3772979
Maybe I should pick up the game again. I actually do like NTR.

>>3772979
The endings with Claude and Opera.

>>3773010
never seen this pairing. pretty cool Ive played it 100 times but havent even come close to seeing all the endings. I always get the opera+ernest ending when I recruit her.

>>3772687
Did the character designer ever do hentai?

>>3764565 (OP)
I swear this game will end me. I played hundreds of hours on the psx, getting my ass widened in the cave of trials. Played as Rena mostly, and gave Claude a fair chance but never finished it. Fast forward to psp, chose Claude, got near the end after a lot of time. Now the remake. I don't want to play it again.

And in all of these versions where I played the most, I took Bowman who's my favorite character and Opera/Ernest. Ashton and Precis are practically unknowns to me.

>>3775975
>Bowman
Based, Bowman is my favorite character too, anon. Ashton is nerfed in this version, and Ernest is quite good. Opera is still great.

>>3764565 (OP)
>>the voice acting is cringe and has lost all its original cheesemaxxed soul

is there an option for jaypee voice acting now? the english voice acting was shit imo, and Precis' VA was cuter in jaypee.

>>3764984
i like the grass but nothing beats old skool pre-rendered.

>>3769855
>if youre ever played 2 then youve endured worse VA.

well you don't have to recruit Precis

>>3772687
>best jrpg series for waifufags like me?
Fire Emblem, Final Fantasys, Suikodens, Ateliers.

>>3773582
no. play Langrissers and Growlansers.

>>3764984
Biggest problem as has been stated before is that the sprites look hilariously out of place in the remaster because they were untouched, the backgrounds didn't even try to go for a retro or lower res style and they slap shitty bloom on the sprites.

>>3778486
I heard this which is why I say this game fucks with me. Since I want to actually give Ashton a chance and je sucks now while Ernest (probably the worst character in the og game) is good now.

>>3778526
yes you can choose the older or newer JP VA in the remake. no option for OG english VA though which saddens me.

>>3766133
>>3767393
Why not just play with Japanese audio? If you play enough games like this it really becomes second nature and you'll start to learn a lot of the words and phrases. Until there's really not any downsides.

(English voice actors just never sound right in JRPGs, anime, etc.. where in Japanese their actresses sound cute and endearing they usually sound awful in English. Plus, they can't even project normal emotions like anger/sadness, or sing or anything. It's just very clear they're not really in the same league.)

>>3764565 (OP)
>>environments look 10x worse than the ps1 prerendered backgrounds
Only valid for towns, other areas like the research lab on Nede got massive upgrades in the remake.
>>the hardest difficulty is still way easier than ps1 universe thanks to adding 3 hit combos, staggering, and all the other additional powercreep
The PSX version was never difficult outside of the shotgun robot instant kills, the biggest issue with difficulty isn't in the actual combat but in being able to avoid enemies which makes the cave of trials a breeze instead of a gauntlet of attrition like in the original.
>>the dungeon designs are completely changed for the worse for no good reason
The original designs of areas like the mountain palace and cave of trials and the final dungeon literally used the same few rooms copy pasted over and over, the remake actually gives every dungeon a unique layout.
>>the voice acting is cringe and has lost all its original cheesemaxxed soul
Retarded dubfag problem.
>>cave of trials is an absolute joke now
Agreed, see above.
>>literally no new content that is actually interesting or meaningful, just some pointless raid fights to powercreep you even more and a boring fishing game
More bonus bosses is bad somehow?
>>you can now summon cameo characters that are totally out of place as assists in battle to powercreep you even more
Yes.
>>awful new character art that is barely any better than the psp abomination
Full retard.
>>"""QOL""" features that make the game play itself, so based
PA notifications are a godsend and you're a dumbass.

>>3764661
SO2 was always a game you could break with item creation and it's good that they embraced it instead of trying to nerf it to be anti-fun.

>>3768468
>paper Mario rejects
N64 has zero JRPGs

>>3782340
Agreed on almost everything except the towns looking worse

>>3782340
>that psp art

dear god what the FUCK were they thinking. also ps1 still looks the best.

>>3782631
>dear god what the FUCK were they thinking
It was during the time of making games look more kid friendly to have broader mass market appeal. Which involved more cartoon/anime style designs.

>>3764984
I hate HD2D but blurry pre-rendered shit also sucks.

>>3782340
What are the third line designs from?

>>3782669
>I hate HD2D but blurry pre-rendered shit also sucks.

The backgrounds are not blurry, but they are lower res which fits with the character sprites.
Which is why when you do stuff like >>3768503 it looks incredibly out of place and shitty looking.

>>3782672
Anamnesis, the mobile game. It shut down already.

>>3782667
is it really tho, the themes aren't really that kid friendly. Seems more like they were trying to establish a cheap animu adaption look

>>3783009
They literally said it was to appeal to a broader and younger audience.

>>3783022
Huh. Well I still don't care, so HA