Thread 3764725

It's been a while since I've seen one of these. Which is your favorite game? Vehicle? Bounty? Share some stories about your journeys in the wasteland.

Which game? I've played all but 4

I think 4 is the best one
But i can see why nips hated it, it was more of the same
I think i played everything except for gacha and java online game
4>2r>1r>ms>3>xeno>xenor>mssos

>>3764819
How is Xeno better than Reborn?

>>3764825
Its not. But it is proof of the ticket going on with the ip

>>3764725 (OP)
i've only played 1r and 2r, and i honestly liked 1r more. 2r's a great game, but it's just too goddamn big with too much to do in it. the quests eventually get to the point where it's like "oh, another one... great..."
never ended up actually beating it lol

>>3764852
One of the hardest series to also 100%. Even the NES/SNES ones.

>>3764852
1R is a great little bite sized SNES game (NES really), but I really love 2R. You should skip a lot of the completionism stuff though, 2R and 3 both have a lot of CRPG style filler quests that are not designed to be methodically completed by all characters rather than just doing some of them in passing as you do the MQ and bounties.

>>3764825
Purely because it's finished
While i somewhat liked reborn gameplay game at whole is like at alpha stage at best
>Story is just characters at iron base spamming og text at you
>On foot dungeons bad? Let's remove almost all of them and add just one with dmg check walls!(it's still shit)
>You can just upgrade engine and resell it for 10x the price lol
Also i think hentai artist of og did much better job with character art style but it's just a matter of taste

aBtw the MM4 translation is currently in the Alpha 2 stage. Still needs to go through Final Alpha, Beta 1, Beta 2 and Final Beta stages.
Don't expect it to come out this year.

At least Cygames seems to be working on a new one. I really liked Xeno Reborn. Maybe they will pick up where they left off with Wild West and aren't starting from scratch so that we can see it release sometime this decade.

What's a good emulator to play the DS MM games? I really want to try the remakes

>>3764819
Sometimes I think I like 3 more than 2R. I mean, objectively, it's the worst game of the two but I dunno, I sort of like how limited you are in 3, while 2R is really easy to break.
>>3765300
>What's a good emulator to play the DS MM games?
Melon DS for PC, DraStic for your phone.

What's your favorite class in the games that let you customize your party?

>>3764725 (OP)
When the fuck is 4's troonslation coming out?

>>3765339
3 is really disappointing
the entire western continent is just empty when you're expecting a decent amount of the game to be left, and the filler content at the end like collecting all the pieces of something or other (for the coil gun I think?) and then having to go charge the gun after that is just FUCKING C'MON tier. I have a lot of affection for it and if anyone that has played it wants to jerk it off I'll join in but I can't really recommend it
otoh 1R and 2R are just really fucking good games

>>3765527
In MM3 it's hard not to use the classic. MC hunter (a hunter with extra stats) + mechanic + female soldier. Going without a mechanic is generally just a giant ass pain and going without a soldier means half the non-tank itemization in the game is unusable. You have to know arcane nonsense like how to make a vehicle repair tool with the quantum doll to enjoy playing a weird composition.

In 2R with the subclass thing and more emphasis on foot combat you have a lot more options and more stuff works. But it's also haphazard, like wrestler and soldier having good stats while everyone else is terrible is supposed to be part of the class skill balance but they didn't rebuild the game from the ground up given the new options.

>>3765912
2R is a refinement of the engine and feels to be more finished.

>>3765912
Yeah, 3 feels like the beta for 2R because 2R fixed so much shit and never ever fell to the kind of bizarre pacing stops 3 had.

>>3764819
Can you give a list of all the vehicles in 4? That's my favorite part of the games.

>>3765013
I wonder if this or MM6 will be out first

Which one to start with, boys

>>3766252
1r

>>3766256
Returns?

>>3766281
I would actually recomend the original on the famicom, but returns is good too.

>>3765013
Did they finally resolve the FMV sub thing

>>3766405
Why tho?
R is basically same game but better

>>3766463
I just really hate the scavenger hunt Returns has you go through to find the 7 ID cards to fight NOAH, which is not in the original.

>>3766485
This, R also is a bitch to 100%

Kinda surprising how addictive xeno reborn is. The loop is great, i just wish there was some more variety. Going to start 2R after this.

Get them all!

>>3766925
I am NOT grinding the mole game for Gomez's hammer.

>>3766485
You only need one ID card in the Global Relief Center, ID card (r)
It's in the a box in the middle bottom of Floor 4
I guess you need to scavenge the four terminal codes, but they're all just in the dungeon and once you know them they aren't getting in the way of your replay.

>>3767029
Think that's bad, try getting the strawberry lipstick

>>3767119
Qrd?

>This game requires a controller in order to play.
Playing with a keyboard and mouse isn't supported.
now that's some next level consolitis

>>3767742
Get a controller, loser. Keyboards are for work.

>>3767742
It was originally for the vita

I liked XR so much i think i'll give Metal Saga another shot

>>3766485
That is way less annoying than smoke shells bitchslapping the entire game.

Anyone know a way to boost the Extinction Count back up? Sometimes resting will randomly raise it by like 3% but it's very rare. Nothing else I try does it.

>>3768038
should go back up over time if you don't kill any monsters.

>>3767742
I don't know what game this is in reference to, but if it's Xeno Reborn than you still need the keyboard for name entry anyway.

>>3767820
Piercing/Hollow Point Shells still do that. Returns isn't exactly a difficult game

>>3768065
>over time if you don't kill any monsters
You mean like real world time of not playing the game, or in-game time of leaving it idling in Iron base or something? There's literally nothing to do in the game except kill monsters

>>3768073
In game time. Similar to how Wanted respawn over time

>>3764725 (OP)
Nice. A Metal Max thread, it's been a while, and always loved its mount-vehicle battle system (could compare it to the mechs in Xenogears,) but I'm more of a wheeled and tracked mount kinda guy.
>favorite game?
Returns for its simplicity, MM2R for its customization (but in fairness, wasn't able to complete it certainly due to me missing some parts or equipment to beat other Wanteds or trying to go deeper in the Grappler's base.)
>favorite vehicle?
MM2R's Wild Bus, if packed with the aux anti-grav balls + S-E Vulcan Box, loved how it one shots even the tortoises in-game.
>favorite bounty?
In Returns, mostly all of them, sans Mr. Kamikaze, since he's fast and I can't Hollow Charge him with my Whitemuu - Red Wolf - Abrams squad.
>Share some stories
Pic related, just love the vehicle aspect of Metal Max. Wished more RPGs have a vehicle/mount combat system like it. Anyways, sharing these sprites, hoping to see a mercenary and vehicle adventure RPG

>>3764825
I'm still mad Xeno on Vita was Japan-only. Fuck that shit.

>>3768085
Vita got pretty shafted outside of Japan in general.
I really wish they would port a collection of the series to modern platforms. It would be a nice way to try and reintroduce it and maybe get interest in whatever Cygames is working on.

>>3767736
A item you can find in the game that has no real use but is for collection and 100%'ing. You get it in a timed event in the overall arc of the game.

>>3768084
Far superior to Xenoshit.

>>3768065
Not even remotely to the degree smoke shells did in MM1.

>>3768085
>Xeno on Vita
Anon you DON'T want to play that on unmodded vita
Game is a slideshow there without overclocking and eng patch is complete 1:1 port from ps4 anyway

2R's multiple people in one tank thing is too damn abuseable. You can get dirty rush and double strike on one tank stupidly early. Not having that is the main good thing I can say about MM3.

Although one dirty rush double (later triple) strike tank is probably still not actually better than just going crazy with sea hunters.

>found out I can mod my engines and weapons' base stats
>there is apparently no limit on this
Oh shit, what kind of stupid setup am I going to waste a percentage of my life creating

>>3768084
>combat tractor and semi-truck
Hell yeah, I love using these unorthodox tanks, it feels like I'm playing a Twisted Metal RPG, hits right in the childhood.

all i want is for the new Metal Saga game to not be dead

>>3768220
Yeah. It's sort of balanced against enemies that can break your tank like Bullfrog, but it's otherwise bullshit and lets you pour all of your resources into one tank and its equipment. Sea Hunter SE Rush setup is disgusting when you do it with that too.

>>3768616
I just want another Metal game period.

How is Metal Dogs?

Is the 3DS one a good starting point?

>>3768635
fun for about 2 hours and then you realize it's too content light to have the staying power of the Diablo games it's loop is based on.

>>3768643
You read moon? Its not translated yet

>>3768646
>You read moon?
yea

Now I ask again. Is it a good starting point?

>>3768648
Play order should probably looks something like
Returns -> Metal Saga -> 3 (The first half of the game is great, but the back half sucks balls. Don't be afraid to drop it and move to the next time if you get annoyed) -> 2R -> 4
Since you won't be going backwards with system improvements at any point with that order.

Note that I haven't played Season of Steel and I didn't list Xeno/Xeno Reborn because they're kinda whatever games.

>>3768661
Much appreciated.
I had this series in the back of my mind for a long while. Time to pull it to the front.

>>3768663
Anon you are going to find that 4 drifts from the arch narrative a bit, but not a bad game.

Which of the games has your favorite vehicle roster? The one you struggle to pick only three to use.

>>3769010
Unironically, Returns.

>>3769062
That's interesting, Returns is more straightfoward compared to the future games so my playthroughs always end up more or less the same. Likely my fault for not experimenting enough though.

>>3769010
3. More variety than 1 and Saga, didn't make vehicle type almost irrelevant like 2R.

Why does everyone shit on 3? Why did 4 sell 12 copies?

>>3769193
3 has a few major problems: a really really annoying encounter rate that never fucks off throughout the whole game, throttled exploration, and several very very grindy sections like building a bio-tank and long stretches of the plot. The MC's special gimmick is kind of shit for the game too, because the pile of bonus HP he starts with makes the early game not interesting and it's not even helpful later.

>>3769193
>Why does everyone shit on 3
Bro, your literal yard work missions for a woman you shouldn't care about?
your having to leave your party behind to infiltrate Shelter so you can pick up a dress?
your having to screw up and get captured and tortured to advance the plot?
your having to advance time in game by fighting a huge number of enemies instead of by staying at an inn like how advancing time works in every other RPG?
your having to do that three different times btw?
your gigantic backtracking mission to pick up 12 batteries across the entire world that you couldn't have picked up early even if you knew where they were because they didn't exist until the quest starts?
your need to then charge those batteries by fighting 1 gorrilion machine enemies?
your Netsib Melach, bro?
your final dungeon that consists of fighting 10 cyber walls in a row?

Like, after meeting back up with Cola/Cora at the cliff cabin, the only thing in the main quest left that *doesn't* suck is the town/dungeon of Elurus

>>3769283
>>Bro, your literal yard work missions for a woman you shouldn't care about?
>your having to leave your party behind to infiltrate Shelter so you can pick up a dress?
>your having to screw up and get captured and tortured to advance the plot?
>your having to advance time in game by fighting a huge number of enemies instead of by staying at an inn like how advancing time works in every other RPG?
>your having to do that three different times btw?
>your gigantic backtracking mission to pick up 12 batteries across the entire world that you couldn't have picked up early even if you knew where they were because they didn't exist until the quest starts?
>your need to then charge those batteries by fighting 1 gorrilion machine enemies?
>your Netsib Melach, bro?
>your final dungeon that consists of fighting 10 cyber walls in a row?
None of these are problems

>>3769309
Yes they are. Noone gives a shit that you think they aren't because they're the exact reasons 3 is shit on.

>>3769193
>Why does everyone shit on 3?
Pace is all wrong, half of the world is empty, rage inducing encounter rate
>Why did 4 sell 12 copies?
Nips hate good games

>>3769164
Returns and the original NES MM are for me, some of the most perfect RPG's. R2 is up there too.

>>3769198
Let's not forget the ending that proves Cola needed to fucking die!

>>3769437
I hope any future game sticks with the XR gameplay. It's a fucking blast.

>>3769669
>sticks with the XR gameplay
Anon it was a disaster tier release
After xr2 was canned that gameplay is NEVER coming back

>>3769675
It's basically just FF12's system.
ATB with positioning and drop in/out combat on the same field as exploration.

>>3768413
>That Vulcan Box + all those Aux guns
Wished we can bulk buy that Sunbeam Gun from MM3 here in 2R, love how it helps wipe the screen (and marginally makes the grind better)
>non-military vehicles are a hell yeah
Yep! Still my go-to vehicle combo in 2R has been the Wildbus (while towing the Fulsand for quick dog system getaways) I think they removed the "Two Engines" mod option in favor of "Two C-Units" and that's kinda meh, although it's nice that the mods are reversible unlike in 3.
>>3769309
>None of these are problems
I wonder if there's an objectively good shop pattern and a recommended vehicle modding guide? Thought for a while the Soiyawalker was like the best vehicle in-game for its potential, slept through the Red Wolf, the Rasputin, and the Dinohyus though

>>3769675
The combat was the only thing praised about it. To toss that would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater

By the same token, mm3 and 4 flopped even harder, so does that mean turn based is not coming back either

>>3769704
>would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater
Anon i ain't saying you're wrong but iam reassuring you if they thought it was a solid sell point they wouldn't drop and sell the whole franchise midway through development
Cygames been silent for years too so there might be nothing at all for the next decade or two anyway
No way in hell that metal saga game isn't turn based(no news from that either)

>>3769789
Sadly, the whole may be dead.

>>3769789
They at least have a current product page for MM

>>3769832
That's almost 2 years old

>>3769854
How long do you think it takes to develop a modern game? We dont have any more cheap handhelds for budget games anymore

>>3769859
Considering the industry? Years.

>>3769859
Man you'd think with like 5 billion smartphone users on earth there's be a market for NDS level JRPGs that only need about 10K sales to cover their production cost that could release on phones + steam + switch.

>>3769918
Apparently you're not allowed to make a phone game that's not softcore porn gachashit microtransaction hell

>>3769854
>That's almost 2 years old
It was up in 2022 july
It's almost 3 years and there wasn't a single thing about it since then
Metal saga is on 5th year of development and there isn't any news about its release either

>>3769704
>Turn Based Metal Max not coming back
At this point, I just have cautious optimism for any Metal Max fangame to do that. About years ago there was Last Wish using RPGMaker, but it seems development has abruptly ended. Hoping a vehicle battle system from Metal Max is readily available and easy to implement.
>>3770136
>Is this series dead?
Technically, yes. It's battle gimmick is already niche, and the existing fangames based on it are wholly Chinese. Nowadays, this kinda discussion would be for asking tips to complete the fan-translated stories, and even then with metalmaniax, it's still harder to navigate, with my personal experience, Returns is the only game I was able to finish.

>>3767745
You're defending Japanese retardation. CHADco supports both with no problems. Also, is this series dead?

>>3770143
At least the Chinese fangames are in rpgmaker so they're easy as fuck to translate. I don't remember where I found them though. The only thing I could dig up were a series of Chinese j2me metal max clones, but the tank customization was ass and it had fucking atb combat.

>>3770125
>Metal saga is on 5th year of development and there isn't any news about its release either
At least they released a pv last year.
I mean it was mostly static 3d models and then several seconds of actual gameplay that looked oddly similar to XR (especially the battle result screen) but i don't think it's dead.

>>3770209
Link? I can't find anything except for the old mobile game

did I hear fangames?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3338560/Metal_Hunter/
will be free when it comes out.

>>3770318
The enemies look like other regular tanks. I love the insane idea of Metal Max that the AI that destroyed civilization has turned consumer products like toasters into monsters that roam the planet culling the human population.

>>3770321
The Nanophage.

>>3770290
>>3770318
>This is an experimental imitation work that has only been expanded to a certain extent based on the original original system. As it is an abandoned project that was first born in 2012, please do not have too high expectations for this work.
>Out of respect for the copyright of the original work, this work will not be used for commercial purposes.

Guess I'll have to make my own Metal Max. With blackjack and hookers.

>>3770476
Anon, that's 2, in a casino you can even use as a vehicle on the giant inland sea.

>>3770290
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbD7GITt9xM

so... which metal maxs have been translated and which ones arent yet

>>3770321
>The enemies look like other regular tanks.
There are non-tank enemies. Demo has an english option but you have to fuck around in chinese to get it, lmao. It is the last option on the ride column of the settings.

>>3770551
We're only waiting on Metal Saga: Season of Steel for the DS (which no one likes) and Metal Max 4 for the 3DS which as an active troonslation which will be out in twenty million years.

>>3770551
Metal Max 2 SNES and Metal Max 4. Everything else is shit or a dead mobile game.

>>3770577
MM2 for SNES was updated iirc

What does 2snes have over 2R?

>>3770616
Nothing really
It's still fun to try og game for comparison

>>3770145
Yup, to think there was I time when I went to check out Chinese youtube to see those fangames to its completion. Also, I had high hopes of Last Wish, but it looks like development crashed or something.
>>3770476
If you got the code for the turn-based vehicle combat mechanics, I could make some custom sprites or fan doodles in exchange

>>3770897
To be honest I haven't looked into the technical side at all, and my first thought was to use the vehicles as character sprite replacements instead of their own separate entities.

MM an Returns has the Laser Bazooka as the best on foot weapon. How about the other games?

>>3771912
MM3 has the "Magnum Gades", which shoots 4 times. You can use the time transfer thing in MM2R to get the one you found in MM3 if you link the games somehow but it's a lot of bother to ruin your game with an overpowered weapon. It's an annoying rare boss drop.

In MM2R without doing that the best weapon is a three shot laser with a thin beam type AoE you get as a common drop from Groween. It's mostly the best because Ted Broiler is weak to laser. Since laser-reflecting enemies are extremely common it's dangerous to use it haphazardly though.

>>3771912
In Xeno Reborn I've found that it's a toss up between the Double Barrel, and the TNT Paranoia. Multi-hit weapons are just better than anything else in general, but due to Muscle scaling, the Random Fire skill and critical hits it goes from like 4x the damage to potentially 20-30x

>>3771919
I'm curious how many people bother to refight bounties for their good drops, I never do it because it takes away from the thrill of the fight. Except in MM3, the Salmonelas has a really good SE weapon that makes your far easier and I always reset to get it.

>>3771930
>TNT Paranoia
Cool, does it come back as that mini backpack from Returns?

>>3771936
It's just a multi rocket launcher

>>3771939
Bummer

>>3771933
There's a few things where I'm particular about it, biggest example being groween's eye since it's the common drop and it is a big difference for a bike-riding soldier. But I can't remember bothering with any vehicle stuff. Either you go all in and grind for 12 hours to get a three star 0.5% drop engine or you buy one from the store that's 5% worse, pretty easy to stop yourself from sperging when it's that lopsided.

>>3771979
So anons, what is the difficulty in 100% 3 and 2R?

>>3772006
I don't really know what 100% means to you

>>3772008
All items, weapons, equipment.

>>3772013
Do you need all 4 quality levels of every item with qualities? Extremely bad even without that, you'd have to play at least 3 loops I'd guess and grind out a lot of very rare drops. I don't know how many loops and grinding for all qualities.

>>3772018
Lets say, the best for my player and all vehicles? How much grinding would I need to max that out?

>>3772052
Immense. Like almost all bosses have a rarest drop that is probably sub 3% drop rate, and for vehicle stuff that drop probably has a 0-3 star quality rating where the 3 star version is another ~5% roll. I can hardly imagine, it would make the game multiple hundreds of times longer to play that way.

I swear this sewer section is the hardest part of the whole game, and you HAVE to beat it to unlock the city's tank shop. At least you get a cool APC out of it.

>>3772350
Usually dies just when my protectors run out. Definitely one of the worst to deal with though.

>>3772350
The whole city is completely optional though, you can beat the game without ever even going further down the transcontinent tunnel than the tower IIRC.

>>3768630
>I just want another Metal game period.
We've got Metal at home

they are working on a new metal max remember seeing a trailer for it months ago cant find it however lol.

Sometimes I think about going back and finishing MM2R but even with the journal system I barely remember how to do anything/where anything is and it makes me feel like restarting it.

>>3772437
There hasn't been any news on the new Metal Saga for oever a year.

>>3772428
I'm not complaining that it's mandatory or anything like that, I just forgot how much HP the croc has, plus, in Returns the methyl amazons still spawn after you drain the water so it's way harder than the Famicom version. Besides, you gotta do it to rock the no tank party.

>>3772350
I only played the FC version so I don't know if its different but my two boys just died and I walked though, avoiding battles with the chick. Keeping the others alive is impossible but she can survive just fine by herself.

>>3772468
I guess the point was that since it's optional it's not barring progress and you could come back and do it with some completely endgame party if you want. The methyl amazons just hit too hard to rush that bit with any safety.

I'm usually all-tanks rather than no-tanks though

>>3772448
Thinking about restarting it now, though, that game is honestly just way too gloomy in tone for me overall. MMR is just silly fun the whole way through, MM2R is just depressing nonstop, even if it does have some silly moments.

>>3772433
Lol, no

Frankly, the remakes can burn in hell.

>>3772560
What's your opinion on MM3's tone then? I think it treads a good middle ground.

>>3772578
I haven't played it, I was gonna after I finished 2R, but since I never finished 2R... I am quite interested in it, though.

>>3772577
Is MM2 SNES pretty good? I never tried it. I imagine it must be almost completely different gameplay-wise, no spamming Drum Stretch+Dark Dance or whatever it was called.

I'd say the Zoids Saga/Legacy games or MS Saga is closer to MM than Sandland

>>3772577
Atsuji Yamamoto's absence from them is a negative for sure.

>>3772592
Why did I write this, 3 is not a remake of anything. I should go to bed...

>>3772433
This game was "ok" but it doesn't have enough enemy/location/item types to fill the world size.
Being able to draw on MM's huge back catalogue of tank parts and enemies would have really helped SandLand out.

Any thoughts on Metal Saga on the PS2? I thought it was okay, but refueling your tank costs way too much, if you don't prepare yourself enough to fight a bounty be ready to spend 1/3 of its reward on repairs.

>>3773033
I liked it, my only complaint is that the battles are very slow compared to the 2d games. If the follow up ever comes out and combines it with the better parts of Xeno's mechanics it could be a great.

>>3773033
I couldn't stand it and dropped it pretty quick
I think the maze dungeons made up of small rooms linked by black screen loads just drove me crazy. It's slower with less enemy variety and worse environments than any of the 2D games and nothing better was making up any of that ground.

In Returns, why does the second best weapon, the Omega Shot show up so soon?

>>3773095
The big tunnel down the hole south of the frozen town cuts across the whole gameworld map and skips a ton of the "natural" progress of the game, and going to Devil's Tower as soon as it's accessible is basically skipping to just before endgame in the power curve. If you keep going down the tunnel past the tower you can pretty easily get to a point where you can rush to the final boss within minutes, although I can't remember what you absolutely need from other places in the game besides the password at the top of the Devil's Tower.

>>3773033
I like it, but it has lots of missable stuff

>>3773107
>although I can't remember what you absolutely need from other places in the game besides the password at the top of the Devil's Tower.

That's exactly the only thing needed outside of the final dungeon itself, which has a keycard you need to pick up in it.
You also need to be able to beat a Robo Police in on foot combat at Hell's Gate, but that's actually incredibly easy thanks to grenades (or the overpowered SMG Grenade weapon) and cheep protectors.

>>3773033
It's good but the very limited inventory and the way protectors work make it kind of annoying to play.

>>3773095
It has a flaw, its hit rate is shit.

>>3773581
Returns has layers to the RNG getting in the way of doing consistent damage.
Tons of things have spotty hit rate, and then you can tink off enemy armor, and then damage rolls for most attacks have huge variance.
It taught me to ignore Laser weapons for the entire rest of the series because being able to reflect and hit your own team on top of all that is too much.

>>3773651
It's a matter of accuracy. Accuracy = damage in MM, which is why smoke grenades are a huge damage debuff. But there are lots of weird bugs like IIRC C-Unit accuracy numbers don't do anything in the DS games that means it's always a big fucking mystery how it works in each game.

>>3773077
>It's slower than any of the 2D games
I really doubt this is the case but I'll double check.

>>3774125
You can't skip enemy attack animations and some of them are unnecessary long
It's nothing too bad but it's way slower than ds games

>>3774138
I know for a fact you can skip animations in Metal Saga.

>>3774138
Anon... Yes you can, you just have to hold down R2. Here, I even picked up my old save file.

>>3773971
Speaking of C-Units, did anyone ever figure out what the hell Function NOAH did in the best C-Unit in Returns?

>>3774348
It attacks randomly, including the party.
Is it really called Function NOAH in the fantranslation? The original is 抹殺.

>>3774421
NOAH something, sorry.

What are all these awesome pics from

>>3774507
My collection of Metal Max related items since I started playing it 18 years ago.

Is it worth checking out the first game if I already played Returns?

>>3774526
Not for any reason other than the OST or curiosity. It's not better in any way.

>>3774590
Quicker if anything.

>>3774526
If you like the game, why not? It's the same game just on a weaker console. The biggest difference between the two I can think of is the different vehicle roster.

>>3774764
Only because you can steamroll the game more easily, at best. Use shortcut keys and certain combat settings and Returns is a much faster game than the original.

>>3774903
Unfortunately Returns is still slow as shit.

>>3774995
It's fast as fuck for an RPG.
It has options to adjust the number of frames between the game accepting a repeat button press so you can make the menus lightning speed (but also slippery as fuck if you hold a button for just a little too long)
It has options to assign some deep in the menu function to a single button press for fast access to things like the Dog System or Metal Detector
It has the option to turn off battle animations.
The structure of the game is such that if you know where you're going you can comfortable beat the whole thing in like 1 hour and 15 mins without the use of glitches.

>>3775001
>It has the option to turn off battle animations.
This is wrong.
And no, it's dreadfully slow among its contemporaries.

>>3775104
>This is wrong.
???
The thing that might be confusing you is you can turn off the animations OR you can turn off the text log, but you can't have both off at the same time.

>>3775110
That was it. I didn't realize the menu was dynamic like that when I switched it earlier to test it.

>>3775104
>didn't play the games
lol

Is it true this series has the same gameplay philosophy as the SaGa games? Non-linear, open world, gameplay focused, tabletop-esque inspired JRPGs?

>>3775181
First three points line up.

>>3775354
Here's what I mean by tabletop focused (in relation to SaGa) that I should have been more clear

- Higher focus on more individual side-quests type arcs/problems/quests instead of one longer overreaching narrative with plot points. Main goal is still there, but the "side quest" type accomplishments on the way are more of the main meet of that game
- Lots of recruitable party members, less of a "main cast" syndrome
- Less traditional JRPG level up and stats system and level ups handled in a way closer to TTRPG roots
- Non-linear story and/or area progression

Stuff along these lines. I've heard these games are somewhat similar to SaGa in a lot of these factors, but anons are also known for lying.

>>3775362
Yeah that sounds about right

>>3775362
I've only played MMR, MM2R, and MM3

I've never played a SaGa game but I played lots of CRPGs, I get no sense of any tabletop inspiration in Metal Max. There are tons of sidequests but they're usually not too expressive (they're usually filled with "but thou must" kind of decisions and when they aren't they just end up feeling like jokes) The design is usually, "pass a chokepoint, world expands, pass a chokepoint, world expands" where it's a sort of controlled nonlinearity. Most content is optional and the games have pretty fast speedruns.

You have a main character that starts alone that is the only one that gets any characterization at all. The others are either introduced in vignettes and then have no story relevance (MMR) or like Dragon Warrior 3 where you go recruit them in a tavern or something and they're created from nothing and never get any story relevance (3 and 2R). The vehicles generally have more personality and deeper introductions. There's really not a sense of a "main cast" at all beyond the MC and the stories are pretty light.

Level-up stuff is almost completely basic JRPG. MM2R has a subclass system that shows up a couple of hours into it but it's not too complicated and you can switch the subclass at will so it's not that "buildy". The vehicles are where a lot of that autism goes.

>>3768085
There is a patch for it

>>3775371
This is why I love 100%'ing MMR. So damn much to get and do.

I never should have played the DS games. Now it's almost impossible to replay the earlier titles. Hell even going from 2R to 3 is rough.

>>3776143
Why, improvment?

>>3772590
Still wondering if anyone here has played 2 SNES and could give their thoughts on it. It's been so long since I played 2R that it being less complex gameplay-wise doesn't matter to me. Worth a shot?

>>3776230
Just fucking play it and see. You could have beaten it by now. It's a game not a college degree.

>>3776230
Darker atmosphere and fixed party members are a big plus in my book. Just don't forget to feed the dog.

>>3776230
Yes, its the first game, with a semi, more coherent story and even greater weirdness.

>>3776232
>You could have beaten it by now.
playing casually, in 5 days? relax.

>>3776278
>>3776378
i'll check it out then i guess.

>>3775380
100%?

Metal Cox

>>3776426
Yeah it's just a port of ps4 official translation
Finished game twice and had no issue whatsoever
Just overclock vita while you're at it(unless you want to enjoy crisp 10 fps gameplay)

Is there a way to play the MM2R Hard Mode without carrying over stuff from your previous playthrough? It kinda defeats the purpose if you can play through it using the best gear from the start and all your vehicles are already all tuned up.

>>3776581
I think I did it on the honor system. You can just make a new character then when you unlock the party make new ones and use a different dog/gold eater than before. When you get your vehicles back strip them down. Just don't equip stuff until you get another copy.

>>3776581
You can sell that shit.

I love the Gepard! Wish it was in every game like the Red Wolf.

>>3777975
For me, it's Rommel Ghost

>>3777978
If I remember right, you can modify one of the tanks in MM2R to look just like it, so you can have a playable version of a Wanted enemy.

So...what is the arch narrative of Metal Max? Something about a computer called NOAH, its creator Vlad, etc.?

>>3778757
ecological disaster from too many ningen grips the planet
NOAH the AI is activated to fix it
NOAH solution is to hyper genocide the human race by bio-engineering insane monsters to cull humanity
Metal Max 1 NOAH is JRPG kill
Metal Max 2 pre-apocalypse genius guy has made himself into an immortal life form and is reconquering Earth
Metal Max 2 genius guy is JRPG kill
Metal Max 3 some bioengineered werewolf (also werecentipedes etc) shit
They are JRPG kill

I dropped Metal Saga but I suspect JRPG kill

>>3778853
Metal SaGa is secret robot pretending to be an FBI agent tries to blow up remaining humans and then is jrpg kill

>>3778757
Vlad was a multimillionare genius that funded the creation of a super computer AI named NOAH to protect the enviroment because humans polute too much. Sometime later he got turbocancer and had an epiphany that death is scary so he uploads his brain into another supercomputer to stay "alive", while this was happening NOAH goes all skynet and hacks every computer on the world to destroy humanity, it nearly succeeds and society breaks down. Because most games take place decades after the NOAH's attack very few people know it exists, or remember what the world was like before the great destruction.

>>3778883
I thought the supercomputer upload Vlad was a different entity than actual Vlad

>>3778900
What I understood when I played was that Vlad turned his memories into a computer program, which became corrupted (maybe by NOAH) in a kinda split personality way. In MM2R when you first meet him he says the manhunts and Bias Grapplers were not what the original Vlad would have wanted, before glitching out and turning into the Vlad we fight at the end.

>>3778950
I guess I'm not sure if the one we reactivate wasn't destroyed by the vlad we eventually kill, rather than becoming the one we eventually kill, either because he's an older model and the one we kill superseded him or if that was just the original Vlad that found a different (corrupted) means of immortality. I'll try to pay really close attention next time I replay it.

>>3778883
>>3778900
>>3778950
>>3778991
Glad uploaded his mind to a mainframe similar to NOAHs. NOAH has a backup there and it merged... more precisely, devoured his mind and took over. These are the arch plot for the first two games. The third takes place in NOT America and involves the protagonist being a failed experiment of Gastonia a mad scientist from the before time with no connection to Vlad. The forth game deals with the main bad trying to reactivate a super weapon to finish the job.

>>3779051
>no connection to Vlad
But the experiments were to create soldiers to fight off NOAH's troops.

>>3779082
Missed that sorry

>>3779051
Ehh, does that make sense? Vlad was already commanding the Grapplers and hired/modified guys like Ted before we turned on that giant brain guy.

Why does everyone hate Cola?

>>3779245
In short, if you play through 3 and get to the end where you save her Jagganath, the poorly made one time use super rail gun submarine that is really the shittiest superweapon even placed in a game, is sinking and she makes a comment that is literally so fucking stupid, Drumcan looks at her as if he is about to strangle her with her own hair.

>>3779313
Well, what does she say?

>>3779326
Let me sleep, I'll tell you in the morning. But something to the tune of, if I didn't steal your bike...

>>3779245
I like her, she is a realistically written young woman (totally self-absorbed but has a kind and domestic streak). She'a not a waifu so will cause so ill feeling. Non-idealized female characters always have that issue (see Shion Uzuki).

>>3772577
I'll be perfectly honest, I think, design-wise, Ted is my least favorite of the Grappler's Big 4, he makes up for it with his actions and dialogue, but I dunno, I always tought the other three looked cooler than him. But maybe that's the point, he's not meant to be "cool", just a freak, which I can see the vision.

>>3779824
Literally everyone everywhere loves Cagliostro and that was one of my favorite battles in JRPGs

Bullfrog and Skunks whatever

What the heck is this?

I've never played Metal Max but I like the idea of hopping in tanks and and suddenly being way more powerful. Any other game series like this?

>>3779984
Why not just try this one

>>3779862
Concept for a Metal Max MMO? Just assuming, I can't speak nihongo.

>>3779862
The gacha MM. Has a neat landship, but that's it.

>can't completely strip a vehicle
>can't equip parts unless it's on the vehicle
Now I remember why I dropped 3.

I hope the next one goes full real-time or rtwp. I want RPG Chromehounds.

>>3780374
Fuck off.

>>3780385
No.

>>3779245
She stole and sold my bike. No other video game character has ever managed to make me feel such seething hatred that I feel towards her.

>>3780135
I do wonder why the fuck they made the game that way, since you could remove any part of your tank in the previous games.

>>3780726
If you mean built in parts, it's probably a balancing consideration
>Ok, we'll let you have 5 weapon slots on this early game tank, but 2 of them have to be *these* weapons so later tanks are still better
The dumb thing about the system is chassis upgrades are one way and permanent. Biggest gameplay fix in 2R was letting you freely move around the chassis upgrade tree.

>>3769010
How the police car see?

>>3780776
Artist mistake, in the actual game they put the machine guns on the side of the car so the driver can see.

>>3780745
No. In most of the series you can remove the C Unit and engine, leaving those slots empty. In 3 they always have to be present.

>>3780374
>next one
There's radio silence on mm project for years already
Metal saga even if it's not canned(more than a year of no news or screenshots) is turn based

Famicom or 1R to start with?

>>3781188
family com

>>3781188
I would say you start with the famicom simply because if you play 1R first you won't really have a reason to go back.

>>3781188
Fami to get a general run, Returns for a "extended" version

>>3781188
I feel like people are only telling you to play Famicom with the assumption that you intend to play both.
The only benefit I can see to playing FC over SNES is a few of the bgm are arguably better. Otherwise, SNES has every advantage.

Skin tight body suit mommy

>>3781412
Best one to arm with the Laser Bazooka btw.

I love these games, here's some shitty fanart I made.

>>3781326
To me there's a huge difference between playing one of the greatest Famicom JRPGs vs playing a middling SFC one.

>>3782479
You sound pretty dumb.

I thought about asking which Biotank I should go for but then realized I don't want to go through the slimey cell farm again which narrows it down to 1.

>>3782523
Octotank?

>>3782566
Octotank requires the second most. Anon is most likely refering to the Beetletank.

>>3782572
Can someone explain the orbital elevator in 3?

>>3782572
Octopus requires the most at 150.

>>3782320
nice

I only played 2R, 3R, and Saga, and I'd say Saga is the best because it has the least bad UI and the best balance.
All three games have an identity crisis where they give you a huge amount of freedom to go around the world finding whatever you can find but then you get to the end of the game and it suddenly dumps a huge amount of plot on you along with annoying final dungeons that are way too long.

>>3782662
Huh, you're right, I could've swore Mammoth required 200, but it actually requires 120.

>>3782523
all the biotanks are ass anyway. that whole thing is just a kick in the teeth for nothing. The custom tank in 2R is way, way better and gives you a really nice midgame boost.

>>3782856
What tank is that in 2R?

>>3782882
Dr. Bato's. You pick one out of four models, customize it however you want and give him scrap metal to build.

>>3783023
Oh yeah. I completely forgot about that one.

>>3783023
Right, specifically you get to give it a nice chassis property like interception or a rush that would otherwise eat a c-unit slot.

I haven't played in a while or I'd remember why I didn't use it in the lategame. Maybe because you can't put an SE weapon in the main slot and you have to use a cannon.

>>3783070
For such an iconic tank I'm surprised the Jagdpanther only appeared in the series twice (as far as I know): MM2R and Saga, and in both of them you have to build it with Dr. Bato, weird.

>>3782715
>3R
fucking where?
if that existed maybe 3 could actually be good the whole way through instead of only half way through

What's Tunguska based off of?

>>3783211
I remember deciding it was a JSDF type 87 at one point but looking at it now I'm not so sure it's not just a different Gepard.

>>3783218
No, its one of the Russian Object tanks. The one that was to "tank" the blast wave of a nuke. The Elephant >>3774429 is based off the American counterpart. Can someone explain what this one from R2 is from?

>>3783232
You're thinking of the Rasputin, the Tunguska is a SPAAG of some kind

>>3783232
A tank motorcycle?

>>3783232
I think that's an original design.

If any of you ever wanted to know what the three hired hunters that get killed by Ted at the start of 2R looked like here you go.

>>3784295
Thanks for the buggy sombrero cyborg guy

>>3783864
The 0. It's an experimental and unique design to MM2R. Suggested by a fan poll iirc. The only other tank that does not have a contemporary design is the Dinohaus. Here is all the tanks for 2R

>>3784369
3

>>3784370
4

>>3784373
And some screens from the original NES

>>3784374
>Buggy
>It's clearly a Willys Jeep
This always bothered me.

Got just a bit further in 3 this time but this dungeon sucks so I'm quitting.

>>3784398
It does but you are so close you should tough it out. 3 has some baffling endgame choices.

>>3784398
Patience anon. Your almost done. What levels are you?

>>3784398
It goes much faster if you:

1. bring a tow-tank with over 100t of mass (its own weight + its cargo) to depress the buttons. The first 100t button opens a door to a treasure and you can reattatch your tow-tank after you get it, but the button on a higher floor you need to leave the tow tank on it until you're completely finished with the area. Don't walk back in to get it when you're all done either, just use the tank pickup service at a repair shop to get it back.

2. don't fight the yojinborg clones, they take forever to kill for shit rewards and all it does it shut down the bombing around the tower, which isn't dangerous enough to bother with even if you were ever going to come back here again

>>3772592
indeed

>>3784400
>>3784401
Wait, is this the end? I was expecting one or two more big dungeons after this.
>>3784408
>don't fight the yojinborg clones
I already fought like 4 of them making my way up the tower on foot before realizing there's no way it was intended to be done without tanks.

>>3784420
One more left anon.Jagganath, the superweapon rail cannon submarine that Gratonos commandeered to turn Shelter into a crater because butthurt over Cola's ancestor. Jagganath is the AI that's two lolis based off of Miku

I'm thinking of doing an MM2R replay where I try and make the game as "vanilla" as possible, not exactly a challenge run, just limiting myself from the game's more exploitable mechanics. Stuff like:
>not using the potential headphones to multiclass
>not recruiting anyone from Nukka's Bar and sticking with the default party (Hunter/Axel/Miska)
>I can only upgrade tanks as if I'm playing MM3, so I can't pick and choose my slots
I was also thinking of not using motorcycles, but they're too cool to pass up.

Yeah I should have quit. The penultimate dungeon is total ass and the round of bosses in the next one sucks.

>>3784469
Motorcycles are such a cool addition. Letting the Soldier shoot their foot gun from the tank is so cool. Buggy was my favorite tank in 1R if you couldn't guess.

>>3784538
Give whole purpose to the laser bazooka in Returns

>>3784522
Yeah but now you know for sure

>>3784662
And with any MM game, knowing is about 1/10 to the 450000000 of the battle!

>>3784538
>Motorcycles are such a cool addition
What's your favorite one? I'm a fan of the police bike from MM2R, but also love the one from MM3 that's just an Akira reference.

>>3784373
Man i really want to play 4. Whats the big boy on the left?

Hanta Too

You're in charge of the next MM game, whats your plan?

>>3785349
Add some sort of territory control and give away tanks you don't use for teams that patrol them
That idea about stopping humanity extinction in xeno was kinda fun on paper but ruined by retarded devs

>>3785349
Bigger world, bigger number of party members that you can assign to do stuff, more tanks, even more tanks, yet more tanks.

>>3785110
I think another one of the Russian Object tanks

>>3785349
More vehicle types. Stuff like powered exoskeletons, VTOL aircraft, helicopters, hovercraft, ect.

Does gender actually matter much in 3 and 2R? I don't think I've seen any good male only equipment.

>>3786061
F Solider gets better gear options than M Solider.
Sexy Sword is a 2-hit that can't be intercepted like Rocket Punch can (and they can use Rocket Punch anyway)

>>3785349
dating. let me (male) fuck my party members (male) and also my tanks (male) and motorcycles (male).

>>3785349
Basically follow this >>3768084 pic's example and add a bunch of unconventional vehicles. Semi-trucks, tractors, ATVs, fucking lawnmowers I don't care, I still want tanks obviously, but I like when the games get creative, it's why the Soiyawalker is my favorite vehicle in all the games.

>>3785349
Town development
Animal companions different from dogs (even monsters)
New jobs
Ability to rematch Wanted bosses for loot
A ranking system for hunters

>>3785349
Infinite NG+ that randomizes things to force players to change their strategy and loadouts

>>3786442
>Animal companions different from dogs (even monsters)
You know about money eaters in 2R right?

>>3786454
Yes, but i want actual monsters
Not walking drumcans and closets

>>3785349
How about a mecha or two in addition to the tanks.
Maybe a chopper
Mobile base like an aircraft carrier or something

>>3786476
Just making sure because it's pretty easy to miss

>>3785944
>>3786483
Ehhhh... I'm not so sure about that to be honest, I think it might be jumping the shark adding power suits and mechs, the games get silly with their combat vehicles but I think by that point it would not be Metal Max anymore.

>>3786523
I mean the games have had mechs as enemies since the start, is it such a stretch that the player could capture them and convert them for his use?

>>3786526
>the games have had mechs as enemies since the start
Have they? Unless I'm missing something, all the robots you fight in the games were automatons reprogramed to kill humans, they were not piloted by anyone. These games have been around since the Famicom, the devs could have added aircraft and mechas a long time ago and I think there's a reason they didn't, land vehicles are tied with the identity of the franchise.

>>3787940
They are both in 3 and 2r
In 3 they spawn at that early game factory area where you defeat wanted on the rooftop
Altho i agree that mechs are extremely unnecessary to mm
If you want mechs just play mech games

>>3788143
Except for anything Xenogears/Saga, for its a shit.

>>3788143
The original game has tons of robotic enemies though. I do agree that having playable (non-tanklike) mecha would be out of place.

>>3787940
As long as they conform to the chassis/engine/c-unit/weapons format I don't see the issue with adding more types of vehicles.

>>3784417
Shame he never got a breakout hit, the work of his that's been tranlated is really good.

Are nukes part of Metal Max?

>>3790711
Yes but I can't think of any mention of radiation off hand.

>>3790711
They should exist, but if you think about the setting, NOAH wouldn't use them.
Too much environmental fallout, which goes specifically against its directives.

>>3790911
Look at the start of MM3. Its how it emptied the world.

>>3764860
The NES is one of the easiest to 100%

>>3793637
Can you give an explanation why?

>>3794082
Simplicity of the game in design. Returns made it more complicated.

>>3768106
Wtf is the last tank, the White Mu supposed to be?

>>3794625
Probably an original one, but keep in mind it's supposed to be White Tiger.

I wish I could afford to privately own a tank, so this series always appeals to me

>>3794816
A tank? Try having your own fleet!

>>3782320
>Hunter riding a Gepard like a cart
Neat and cute! Thanks for the share, and you got me inspired to do pic related, full draw's here >>>/v/714401458
>>3786523
>Mecha
Just like the anons in this thread, there's already Xenogears for that and to add, there's Rusted Emeth and Lost Sphear for that mecha action.
>>3794108
True, but thought the Hollow Charge just Instakills the Wanteds, and loved to beeline to Canabelle right after cheesing the fight with the Twin Big Cannons.

>>3796247
Xenogears insists on itself

>>3781251
>get oda non as the artist
>make the game have minimal NPC interaction
what did they mean by this

>>3796407
NOAH has returned and has bioengineered a vast army of horny shotas

I don't ever see myself taking a Wrestler over a Soldier.

>>3796591
Soldiers are better mechanically, but Wrestler girl is hotter so I choose her.

>>3796591
Wrestlers are great for killing bosses but they don't have access to AOE weapons

>>3796591
you're talking mad shit for someone in typhoon chops distance

>>3796591
I don't take zero soldiers over one wrestler but a soldier and a wrestler has merit (in 2R). Multiple soldiers cannibalize the same equipment pool while wrestlers don't need shit.

If you ever do the japanese weirdo thing of playing many loops of the game after a few wrestlers are far and away the best because their high stats keep climbing to the point that they blow past soldiers with the best equipment and then eventually hit harder and are more defensive than the best tank loadout.

>>3796802
Yeah that's why I don't take them.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3848180/_/
The Chinese are back at it again

>>3798569
>English language not supported

>>3796802
Just Meat Grinder your problems away fool.

>>3800340
Best on foot weapons per game?

>>3800451
Probably the fire/sonic ones since they can't be intercepted.

>>3796247
>and you got me inspired to do pic related
That's the nicest compliment I could get, it looks great anon! I see you're a Metal Saga appreciator.

>>3800828
Maus 3 rail best?

>>3798569
fan tl when

What's the correct way to use interception in Returns? I know you have to get a C-Unit that has it, namely Is there a way to use a machine gun with infinite ammo for interception?

>>3802048
*er namely the Emmy is buyable

Also if you know specifics telling me how to use Support would be good too.

>>3802049
I never messed with intercept in returns because the best defense for tank battles there really is a good offense.
Special shells break enemy parts at too high a frequency, and if their parts are broken they can't use them to shoot you. This is like interception, but preemptive and doesn't cost you extra ammo.

As for making it work, I think you need specific S-E weapons on top of having your CPU capable of interception (and make sure the interception system is turned on)

>>3802064
I've beaten it before by just plowing through but I'm trying to understand every system I can this time. Guess I just have to experiment because even Japanese wikis aren't very clear about it.

>>3802422
Because the game is so damn intricate.

>>3802422
Been a while since I last played Returns but from I can remember
>interception only works in towed tanks
>it consumes ammo from the main gun
>it can't be used with the aux guns
Also, it only intercepts "conventional" projectiles, like missiles and cannon bullets, it won't stop stuff like lasers and fire.

>>3802502
It actually can be used with aux guns on the support tank as I discovered. The "beam blaster" in Il Migra can do it, which is coincidentally the same place you can buy the Emmy. I went outside and it started intercepting things I didn't imagine it would, like the sonic snakes paralysis gas attack.

Alright, trip report for what I learned about the "Support" program (interception with the towed tank) in MMR: It's stupendously powerful, intercepting most attacks. Like the Rommel supertank that is the strongest tank bounty in the game can't do a single thing to you besides a weak machinegun attack.

It works with the beam blaster that has infinite ammo, but it's practically as good with any high ammo count cannon if that feels like a sketchy oversight (any spark cannon can be modded up to 50 ammo and the low tier ones work fine and cost almost nothing to mod).

>>3804971
MM2R has some insanely charismatic sprites
I still want to play a TL of Metal Max 2 though

>>3804971
Ted Broiler-san...

>>3805016
That's "Ted-sama" to you!

>>3785337
Classic MM Hunter is such a good design

>>3804971
>>3805016
>>3805016
Ted a mutant or one of Bias's constructs?

>>3806801
All the Grappler's big 4 were created by Vlad as the generals of his army. Ted says before his fight Vlad can make him an immortal body, so I theorize that they were stepping stones for Vlad to create a bilogical body to house his consciousness.

>>3806806
Kinda makes sense. Vlad's forms throughout seem to me amalgamates of them.