A game similar to Elder Scrolls comes out tomorrow. Has anyone tried it? How is it? Will you be picking it up?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1466060/Tainted_Grail_The_Fall_of_Avalon/

>>3766847 (OP)
>Has anyone tried it?
Probably.
>How is it?
Don't know.
>Will you be picking it up?
No.

>>3766847 (OP)
>EA
Into the trash it goes

>>3766847 (OP)
Yeah it was fun. Played the demo. It is was most fprpgs try to be.

>>3766847 (OP)
I will play it over the weekend . Going in with relatively little info

>>3766905
It will launch in the next 5 hours or so.

It's out. Is the game actually complete? When I added it to my wishlist it looked very much not done.

>>3767122
>It's out. Is the game actually complete?
It seems so. Mortismal gave it a good review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpoOeihKoZo but also mentioned that acts 1 and 2 are filled with side content, while act 3 has less and is more buggy.

>>3767162
>Mortismal gave it a good review
really isn't saying much
he is ... trying to smooth out the edges in his reviews to put it mildly (see what I did there?)
>mentioned that acts 1 and 2 are filled with side content, while act 3 has less and is more buggy
oh-oh... that's bad
I'm gonna go watch the review for myself now

>>3767279
>he is ... trying to smooth out the edges in his reviews to put it mildly (see what I did there?)
Wolfheart was far more enthusiastic if it makes any difference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6ViWUExbDY
>oh-oh... that's bad
I'm not denying that but it makes sense. Acts 1 and 2 were out for early access for a long time, so players had time to report every bug they encountered. Moreover, it's a small company and the game was made on a tiny budget.

>>3766847 (OP)
I've played a couple hours. It's really good so far, if you like Oblivion. Story is cool as well. Not sure if it's worth $45 yet.

>>3767162
that retard said veilguard is best game of the series

>>3767286
>Wolfheart was far more enthusiastic
since the very early access, he really REALLY wants to like this game
I'm gonna take it with a grain of salt
>oh-oh... that's bad
meh... appears to be as expected and not that bad actually
by the time it's on autumn sale all these things should be ironed out
so not an issue

the issues is that I don't really feel excited about the gameplay I'm seeing
it's an Oblivion-killer 20 years late to the fight

>>3767329
technically? I could agree with him
but it's a low bar effect really
DA is an extremely overrated and shitty series IMO

>>3766847 (OP)
I've played the 1st and 2nd location in EA.
It's very nice visually.
The combat is Skyrim + Dash.
The setting tries to be edgy, but it's made by basedfacing millennials who'll simp for a cunt even if she is not there to see it, so the writing and characters suck.

>>3767418
Why do zoomers have this weird complex where they blame everything they don't like on millenials?

>>3767419
Zoomers are of working age now and millenials are their annoying managers.

weird on the steam stream they have a chick playing it instead of some old nerd with bad hair, what did they mean by this?

>>3767424
Means they are trying to rely on sex appeal to get people to watch.

>>3767162
>Mortismal
his word is worth less than shit

>>3767419
it was the same with boomers/millennials, gen Xers/boomers
it's nothing new

barely any discussion about this game
vrpg has really turned to shit

>>3767483
I come here once every other week and see exact same thread
This place is dead.
Even v/ is only alive because of gatcha fags and xitter screenshot posters bringing newfags

>>3767483
I'd like to discuss it eventually but I'm not buying it on day of release

>>3767419
generational warfare memes are artificially disseminated to capitalize on the natural rebelliousness of the youth in order to keep people with similar interests from communicating and working together.
the vision of the future is us vs. them, brainlet style, forever.

>>3767483
>a small budget indie title that everyone who wanted to try already tried in EA releases
>HOW DARE YOU NOT DISCUSS IT
ok, retard
if you want some discussion why don't you start it

Is the combat completely stat dependent (aka, you get misses/deflects even if you connect physically) or does it have action elements?

It should still have a demo available if you just want to try it. It's good, but I don't buy shit that isn't on sale.

>>3767606
>It's good, but I don't buy shit that isn't on sale.
>why are the mass consumer market not catering to my tastes?
KYS poorfag
you can spare eating-out-once pricetag to support a developer that actually makes non-woke grimdark games

>>3766847 (OP)
Vanilla vs vanilla it's significantly better than Skyrim overall, but there are a few areas in which it's worse (mostly immersion stuff, such as NPC routines): completely insane achievement, considering the absolute state of the industry and how inexperienced this dev team is.
With that said, I'm in no hurry to play on release, between patches and mod support I'll expect the game to be significantly better in a year or so.

>>3767162
>Mortismal
Please reconsider your life and what led you to trust a narcissistic, fraudolent redditor.
If that shitstain said the sky is blue you should immediately look out the window.

>>3767419
>they blame everything they don't like on millenials
But they are millennials.

>>3767627
>Please reconsider your life and what led you to trust a narcissistic, fraudolent redditor.
No
I like his videos, and he always wishes me a wonderful day

Did they add a bunch of stuff to the prison opening? I bought this cheap a long time ago during early access and played through the opening area and a little of act one (before purposely holding off until release), but I don't remember the area being this big.
I've been walking around reading everything and finding hidden passages, and talking to different prisoners and stuff that I don't think we're here before.

>>3767632

is there a way to block while having a spell on the other hand?

>>3767581
It has action elements. It feels like Skyrim with modded in parrying and dodges

OK i watched some dudes play it and it looks to play worse than avowed
I know watching and playing is not the same thing, but it just looks weightless

>>3767945
Seeing as Obsidian dwarfs this studio in resources and had made numerous games with first person combat you'd hope they could achieve that much, but unfortunately that game is clearly targeted at homosexuals, so if it had the best combat in the world I still wouldn't play it.

>>3767945
It's slavjank, you shouldn't go into it expecting the same level of polish as AAA.

>>3767988
>Avowed
>Polished
:DD What a joker.
Speaking of it, when was the last time when an AAA wasn't shit-riddled with bugs?
Only thing that comes to mind are Japanese games.

>>3766847 (OP)
>>3767988
>>3768006
It's unironically better then avowed by a lot. Having more fun in 2 days then all of Avowed.

>>3766847 (OP)
I've enjoyed it quite a bit, don't expect otherworldly quality but there's a lot to this game. You have to actually like video games first though.

>>3767622
>non woke
Don't care.
You can make a female character and she leaves the kitchen. It's extremely woke.

>>3768006
Compared to your hated AAA games, Tainted Grail is extremely unpolished and buggy.

>>3768011
Trying too hard. The combat and AI alone are archaic and 100x worse than Avowed.

As a shill, you're better off focusing on the strengths of the game instead of trying to fling shit at another game. Because otherwise you're sending the signals that the game you're shilling for has no positives to stand on its own.

>AA game manages a very mild success
>someone sits on the thread 24/7 to derail
Really makes you wonder where all that AAA (((marketing))) budget goes.

>>3768192
>The combat and AI alone are archaic and 100x worse than Avowed.
But that is what I want.

It's an action rpg made in europe so I don't even need to watch a video, it's dogshit.

>>3768011
I'm not convinced

>>3768201
Who is derailing what? The shills did that all on their own. Do you see any actual discussion going on for the game ITT? How it plays? What the quests are like? What the combat is like? What the narrative is like?

>>3768240
I like that attacks have actual hitboxes (you can sidestep overhand swings, while sweeps are harder to deal with) and parrying is useful, but hard to carry you through everything (many enemies have fast sporadic patterns) , so you need to block more.
So even when you are weak and underequiped, you have decent tools to overcome soem enemies

>>3766847 (OP)
early access showed promise, I will be

>>3766847 (OP)
I dont like how much inspiration from dark souls this game takes, it should play to its strengths which is being an elder scrolls-like.

>>3766847 (OP)
It's rapidly growing into one of my favorite RPG from these last years. The writing is honestly quite good, and the content incredible for such a "who?" and I assume small dev team

>>3768192
>>3768203
>But that is what I want.
This. I didn't find Avowed's spellcasting fun. I like being able to spam my in my off hand while I beat on people with my weapon.

>>3768236
That's fine, not here to convince you. Was just saying what I thought. You're allowed to like Avowed more then this game if you want.

Oh, they remade the tutorial level.
Pretty cool.
I was afraid, I'd have to go through the same shit the 5th time.
Going mage this time, and so far, I've abused terrain every single time either by shooting from a ratway or standing on a shelf. A bit... wyrd :D that you can do that.

>>3768528
Also, why it's so fucking dark now?
Can't find the gamma setting either.

>>3768528
>I've abused terrain every single time
I'm doing magic and abused the terrain for the first few levels. After like level 5+ and getting the lightning spell I just destroy everything now and don't need to abuse any terrain.

>>3768533
Magic does seem the way to go doesn't it. I tried to go melee and it was a lot harder compared to magic. I couldn't do a fucking parry to save my life and your stamina drains way too fast.

>>3768537
Magic is easier early game if you're on the highest difficulty. Once you get some gear and stats though it really doesn't matter. You'll be a god that can fuck anything up regardless of what you use.

The real question I have is whether there's a point in playing a character that uses a lot of different methods, or if doubling down on just doing one thing is the objectively correct option.
Because I like flexibility being rewarded, rather than vastly outperformed by grugsmash or shitting magic all over the enemy as first and only response.

>>3768570
>shitting magic all over the enemy
That's the correct options.
Imagine:
>houses the soul of Arthur the armored swordlarper
>plays as a cotton-clad mage
It is like shit-posting inside the game. Or something.

>>3768420
>p-please care about my shitty aa game!
When your only ammo is to desperately try to shit on some other game, you know your game is dogshit, shilling Tainted Grail dev.

A SP game that came out 3 months ago people have already beaten not having concurrent (which you clearly don't even know how it works) players matching a random game that just came out is not impressive.

The pathetic obvious shilling by devs for this game is downright sad. If you can't even think of good things to say about your own game, you know it's over alright.
Hopefully for your sake your studio isn't shut down.

>>3768606
I was talking about all all-time peak you retard.
>accusing me of shilling because I'm happy that your blue-haired game flopped
I'm gleeful that this slop has failed just like I am gleeful that Vanguard drove the final nail into the Dragon Age coffin. That's what should happen to bad games made by retarded devs.

how's the setting? "arthurian legends but edgy" seems to me like it'd overstay its welcome after a dozen hours

>>3768619
>I was talking about all all-time peak you retard.
Isn't DA Veilguard a better game by your metric?
Steamchart spergs are truly the bottom of the barrel.

>>3768644
>Isn't DA Veilguard a better game by your metric?
And then Veilguard is also better than Avowed.

>>3768606
>muh shilling
I don't get this.
It's a newly released (in case someone wants to tear his anus about it - it's an EA game, supposedly, being finished) game. Are you expecting nobody to talk about it?

>>3768647
Idk, I haven't played either.
It's all (You) making shit comparisons between garbage games just to try to make a few sales on your crap indie not-skyrim.

>>3768652
>Idk, I haven't played either.
Lol, you didn't play Avowed yet you had to write 3 paragraphs of tearful text defending your failed AAA game and also accused me of shilling. Shame your "not-skyrim" high-budget game flopped, maybe the next game set in Eora will at least pay for itself, eh?

>>3768649
>Are you expecting nobody to talk about it?
I'm expecting people to talk about it. The pros and cons. That isn't happening for most of this thread. Which makes it obvious it's the standard of devs doing most of the commenting. I know this because I'm a dev myself and have worked at shitty companies where they try to ask/order people to do it on the trailers (ofc I never did because it's retarded and it's not something you can order someone to do), go to communities and shit. It's painfully obvious when it happens.

>>3768656
I'm an other anon, retard.
But go on, continue to use Avowed as your only argument. I'm sure that reflects great on your game.
Buy an ad.

>>3768657
I saw Asmongold play it and it looked fun so I got it. Not a dev on the game.

>>3768657
yeah i guess usually people would be talking about the game. saying this waifu or that bullshit mechanic etc.
meanwhile the message in this thread identical to some /v/ threads i saw yesterday. "it's like skyrim". that's a good marketing pitch but people don't talk to each other with marketing pitches. they post things they like their comfy base, their waifu, their invasion, they make memes or troll or say they hate something.

now i'm not some schizo who is totally confident that it's a paid actor. i've made threads not too different from OP before (hey how is this game?). but it also looks weird to me. how does OP know the game is like Elder Scrolls if he hasn't played it? and if he's played it, what's the point of asking others how it is?

i read the whole thread and i don't know exactly how it's similar to ES. so it's first person action fantasy. so is witchfire: a single player fantasy tarkov-like. so is barony and lunacid and those are not games like ES.

it's a fucking weird thread. i've got the game on my wishlist, but i have 300 games on there so that doesn't mean too much.
actually i might remove it: if they cannot even do good shilling, they probably fucked the game up too.

>>3768693
you have to go back

>>3768647
i don't think people play those games anon. aren't they baseded the fuck out?

>>3768698
>how does OP know the game is like Elder Scrolls if he hasn't played it?
There is a demo, the game was in early access for the last 2 or so years, many YouTubers were making videos about Tainted Grail long ago. Come on anon.

>>3768704
>picking exactly one sentence in isolation and answering it in a meaningless way.
you completely missed the point, retard.
but i suppose it's too much to expect any kind of conversation from an ESL

>>3768705
Nigger, you wrote a whole thesis when your point is retarded. Why would I go and dissect every single sentence and answer to it when I can just pick the weakest one? If you could at least refute it, I could return to your post and give it another read.

>>3768698
>you have to go back
Go back to what?

>>3766847 (OP)
I think it looks really great, the dark fantasy aesthetic that only wrpg pulls off well, looks like legit combat advancements over bethesda, and seemingly no wokeshit. (Which even if the combat is slightly worse, puts it ahead of Avowed)

However I don't want to get into a ton of spoilers or discussion because it's early access and my backlog of great stuff means I'll let it bake till full release.

>>3768792
>it's early access and my backlog of great stuff means I'll let it bake till full release.
It's not EA anymore. It released 1.0 like 2 days ago, which is why everyone is talking about it.

>>3768792
>backlog of great stuff means
Also forgot to ask, how do people have a backlog? How long does it take you guys to beat a game?

For a game where you fight 90% of the time the combat sure feels shitty and weightless.

>>3768623
The setting is very bleak and basically what you said.
Arthur is practically Optimus Prime and only you can see him.

>>3768824
Two stupid questions.
First of all, people don't only backlog new games they don't have time for. One might backlog an entire series at once. Secondly, what's "a game"? Average clear times can range from 3 to 200 hours depending on what you're playing.

>>3768909
yeah, combat and crafting are the worst aspects of the game so far. I just hit the second area and it's becoming tiring

it's up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkq68pkWP4k

>>3768968
>it's up
Sexually?

have they said how extensive the modding capabilities will be?

What do wyrdness do during the night?
Roamed around and didn't really find much of anything special.

>>3768915
Stupid answer. Clear times don't matter. If a game takes 24 hours to beat and someone does it in a day it took a day to beat. If someone did it in a month it took them a month to beat the game. No one tracks how long it took them to beat a game in clear time unless you're a speed runner.

>>3769103
Rare mobs can spawn that drop good loot and a mega boss will fuck you up until you're strong enough to beat him.

>>3769108
>a mega boss will fuck you up
Can you run away from him when it happens?

Played the demo and have the card game. Its pretty fun. I will get around to playing it in about three years or so based on my current backlog.

>>3769110
Yeah you can just run

Man, the game is pretty. BUT.
Why go with this particular setting.... and then make it woke?

>>3769580
Are you gonna elaborate on that or do you expect everyone to just magically understand what your personal definition of woke is in this specific case

>>3769587
Women exist, I guess

>>3769587
>>3769590
Did you not play the game?
Are you fucking blind, deaf or retarded?
Maybe just plain bad faith actors?

I guess a dyke swinging a two-handed sword around is too subtle?
Or every other character talking like a passive-aggressive woman with nose piercing and neck tattoo behind a starbucks counter?

>>3769601
So any rpg ever that featured female warriors or allowed you to create them was too woke ?
Man, the game was lost from the start

>>3769613
>too woke
You are shifting a goalpost. There's no such a thing as a "slightly woke" or "very woke". It either is woke or it is not.
Female "warriors" was always pants on head retarded.
Even in modern times where a child can become a soldier while equipped with rifle, female soldiers fucking suck and nobody wants them around. Their presence there is just to reaffirm the retarded sentiment:
>erm, see, women are just like men and can do everything men can
Women has no place in a medieval setting other than cooking gruel. It's a dead and beaten horse at this point, so the actual retard here is me, for engaging with your shit bait.

>>3769580
>>3769627
>even more retarded derailing
Bethesda must be really scared

>>3769629
>talks about the game
>muh derailing
So you accuse others of the things you yourself are doing.
Own the woke label and move on.

>>3769601
>>3769627

>>3769627
So all fantasy medieval games that had women in combat positions of any kind or allowd you to create one are woke , right?
Which means there have been tons of them for decades.
Which is bad. We agree, no?

>>3769636
Post-modernism started to thrive post WW2 which answers a lot of questions as to why.
For those who are ignorant and genuinely curious - take a peak at who owned (at still owns) and steered the majority of publishing companies and other media ventures. It explains why GenX and Millennials who grew up on that slop are such pussy worshiping libtard faggots.

the game has some of the worst UI design I've seen in my fucking life
guess which text I want to be able to read on the screenshot?

>>3769653
it's this
the dark green on black
this is just beyond incompetent

>>3769653
>>3769654
>BIG BONK
Millennial humor.
Also, also cycling through quickslots is a fucking pain. Console game through and through, baka.

>>3769666
you don't get it
it doesn't have any nogs and is made by based white christian /pol/aks
so it's not millennial humor, it's just funny humor

>>3769716
>it doesn't have any nogs
God bless!!! That's enough to appease me.

Random and mildly related:
Watched some sci-fi show where humans fight in space against humanoid nanobot clusters of which some, for some reason, were black and it was so out of place its uncanny.

>>3769716
>it's just funny humor
It's reddit humor.

>>3769758
NOOOOOO
you cant say nigger on reddit, so we are so much better than reddit!!

>>3769653
>>3769654
yo this nigga playin on square screen

>>3769762
OH NOOOO!!!!!
My epikk grimdark fantasy can't do without goofy tone-ruining bullshit and snarky marvel dialogue with 7 levels of sarcasm
FUCK
YOU

>>3769795
Is that tone ruining bullshit and marvel snarky dialogue in the building with us right now?

>>3769797
>haven't played the game
East shit.
It's literally here, in your fucking face
>>3769654

Anyone played conquest?

Holy shit this item trivialized the game real quick

>>3769653
>>3769654
>>3769808
Damn, this looks soulless as fuck.

>>3769801
>snarky dialogue sucks dude
>here is the screencap that proves bad fonr color choice
?

>>3769802
I did. Not worth the full price but if you can get it 70-80% off (like now), you might consider getting it. I did last year and didn't regret buying it. Do you have any specific questions about the game?

>>3769802
Not in my top 5 of deckbuilder roguelikes, but a surprising amount of characters/classes to pick. A couple should be interesting enough for you to go through and get the 'true' ending and most difficulties done

>>3769816
Yes, how is it compared to other deck builders?
is there loads of meta progression and unlockables?
If I enjoyed across the obelisk, monster train and roguebook, will I enjoy this one too?

>>3769822
There is quite a bit of meta progression and unlockables.
Its secondary mechanics ate nor as interesting resource for map exploration like Roguebook, tower defence aspect of Monster train, secodnary deck of Griftlands with more extensive story mode etc.

You essentially have to manage candles/torches like a light source in Darkest dungeon, where you get bonuses or penalties in combat.

>>3769825
Well, it looks a bit jank but I think I'm going to pull the trigger, it's like $3 anyway.

>>3769822
>and unlockables?
Yes, the game is designed in such a way that one journey will take maybe 2 or 3 hours of gameplay. Then it counts your points and unlocks new cards for you and other classes, I think there are like 7 of them or something like that, and there are considerable differences in their playstyles.
It goes like this: you start with one class unlocked in an empty village. You go to the first area and finish it, then you return to the village. There are 3 areas total after which you can challenge a boss. In these areas, you find spirits of dead people and you are supposed to finish their questlines, but it's impossible to do so in only one playthrough. When you do, they come to the village and start living there, granting you some extra options like perks or more cards. These unlockables persist between your sessions, so by 4the th run, you should have a smooth start with extra cards and perks.
It's a fun little game but if I bought it for the full price, I would be far more critical about it.

>>3769813
nta
but it's bretty obvious he was talking about "big bonk" club
but yeah, the game is full of reddit-humor
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/589KNlt4ldU

>>3769846
Did you know the game has crafting?

>>3769850
I wasn't aware how the naming of crafted items works if that's what you are asking

>>3769865
Well, now you know

Summoning is so fucking meh I can't even. >_>
>spend 5 hours summoning your mid skelletons
>kill one wyrd ghost
>all summons are dead
>spend 5 hours summoning
BLEH

>>3769654
I genuinely never had an issue seeing that. The red text if it's lower, or green text if it's higher stood out right away to me.

>>3769846
What's reddit humor about that?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>3769885
Dumb as rocks kid grows up, gets revenge and then becomes the thing he didn't like. What's the ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ for?

>>3769888
>dumb
That's some pretty solid writing for a 7 year old, what's your fucking problem?
But... Where did he even learn to write?
Does wyrd bring plague in a 2 for 1 package? Like, your husband is going to end up a lunatic with rotting flesh, but we'll also walk your son through gradeschooler curriculum in his sleep.

>>3769894
>Like, your husband is going to end up a lunatic with rotting flesh, but we'll also walk your son through gradeschooler curriculum in his sleep.

Where are you getting that from? Some bandit killed his mom and dad. His dad taught him to be brave and smart until he was 7. Then he grew up, killed the bandits and became a bandit. Where did you get the idea his dad got the plague?

>>3769914
Anon, c'mon. I refuse to accept the fact, that you are missing the point.

>>3769870
One instance of summoning not sucking for some reason.
I assume, it's an AI thing.

>what if... we made the leader of these cartoonish savages a woman?
>these subversion levels are freekin amazing!
>top tier writing!
>put it in the game right away!

>>3769956
What if you stopped being such a bitch?
Now that would be a subversion of expectations.

>>3769966
>just stop noticing all these gay and lame things
Quack.

>>3769956
>females bandits in fantasy medieval setting considered a subversion
Is this the first game you have played ever, or something?

>>3769869
huh I guess the players can also write and voice NPCs as presented on the shorts you are replying to?
then there must be no reddit humor in the game
captcha = asart

>>3769990
Unlike the big bonk screenshot you presented as super evidence and turned out to be nothing, you have not presented that infamous reddit writing yet for anyone to comment on. I expected one you chucklefucks would have posted the badly written erotica text by now, at least.

Also, reddit VAs? That is new.

>>3769987
Your bad faith argument is shit and doesn't change the fact how utterly out of place it is.

>>3769970
>you have not presented that infamous reddit writing
Idk

>>3769994
Greek mythology could tolerate female warriors in their bullshit stories , here and there.
4000 years later, anon shits his pants.

>>3769998
>erm, actually, there are female characters in other works of fiction
Eat shit, bad faith shit-eater.

>>3769881
mhm
nigger this is what I'm talking about
an objectively scientifically proven failed thing this game does, but a bunch of retards will straight up refuse to agree because game is perfect if there are no nogs in it

>>3769956
>>3769970
But the main person who rules them all is a guy?

>>3770004
No shit it's hard to see if the screen is black and white. The screenshot example was in color. You don't prove anything by changing the photo and saying see it's hard after I changed it.

>>3769991
literally in the post you were replying to >>3769846 you idiot
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/589KNlt4ldU

this design is gay

>>3770007
>t. retard
what I did is essentially doing picrel but with less steps

>10 in practicality
>35 in Handcrafting
Prepare your anus.

>>3770017
Forgot the pic

>>3770014
Get better eyes. Not my fault your shitty genes somehow survived to make it this far.

>>3770043
LMAO

I thought the player only housed the soul of Arthur, yet this quest implies that we have his blood as well.
The question is: Does it have any story relevance later, or am I reading into it too much and it doesn't matter.

We do not look kindly at hysterical women here, in Avalon.
Drest did nothing wrong.
Both mother and daughter should have stayed in kitchen.

>>3769956
>>3769994
>>3770000
>bad faith bad faith bad faith!!!
If you had actually played the game then you would've known that she's not the leader, One-Eye is.

Post your stats fellers

>>3770017
35 in handcrafting is nothing, you'll get 100 when crafting one batch of wyrd arrows with 1 practicality

>>3770137
So what's her role in that place, good-faith-kun? :)

There are 3 people in this thread actually playing the game. I swear.

>>3770305
How does spirituality work with strength?

>>3770382
damn right
why the fuck would anyone want to betatest 1/3 of the game for $45 + tip?
maybe I'm going to try it out during halloween sale or something

>>3769885
Don't zoomers speak like that?

>>3770382
i'm a spellsword, it works pretty well on veteran

>>3770391
>1/3 of the game
Wait what. Didn't 1.0 imply that it's completed?

>>3770406
It is. There are bugs and performance issues but devs said they will work on it.

>>3770406
the last act out of the 3 was not in the 0.9 EA and is buggy as shit according to reviewers
and that's before you take into account it's not exactly a polished HA! POLISHed kek get it? game

>>3770049
Glad you liked it.

>>3770306
How long until I get that recipe? I've only been passively leveling it making leather. Haven't felt the need to waste my time grinding it since the gear I find is better so far and I refuse to put points into practicality.

I accidentally hit one of Galahad's men during the assault, all of them immediately turned on me and I had to kill them all while the berserkers helped them out. I wonder if Galahad will be upset or not.

>>3770424
Funny how this happens to every EA game with acts

>Captacha: gayvd
o7

>>3770433
yeah man
I just love reading what retards on the internet have to say
especially after being pushed against a wall with nowhere to run

>>3770511
>With 16% of the world’s population experiencing disabilities, accessible communications are essential to enhance user experience, build brand trust, and meet American Disabilities Act (ADA) & Section 508 requirements.

I'm not backed up against a wall lol. ADA and 508 compliance, including color contrast is literally for disabled people with shitty genes. Normal people have no issue seeing that text. Get better eyes.

They really set this up poorly.
Arthur literally did nothing wrong, and both the One-Eye and the Keeper-fag look like fucking retards going up against Camelot.
The things that Sewal "revealed" is also a fucking nothing burger.

>>3770527
lol
admittedly gets a bit stale the second time

>>3770528
This "moral conundrum" is completely lost on me and Caradoc's crusade also seems pretty retarded.

>>3770527
8% of all men suffer from some form of color blindness, usually red-green.

>>3770435
i got it maybe midway thru act 1, did a stagfather shrine and got recipe thru that iirc. also solved my moneyproblems forever

>>3770549
Exactly, you need a disability to not be able to see that.

>>3770563
Oh I guess I have the recipe. Must have missed it. So dumb how much xp it gives, literally went to 100.

>>3770572
LMAO

LMAO you can't make this shit up
it's aislop the game

>>3770593
I arrived there too not that long ago too. Does anyone sells spells there? Found a bookstore thinking I'll get some there and was disappointed when discovered that it sells erotic fiction.
Honestly, given how this game opened and what I've encountered after scrubbing the first map and now starting to explore cuanacht - I'm not really seeing the "Dark Fantasy" but rather a shitty Arthurian fanfiction.

>>3770610
Mainquest leads you to Maggot, he's a druid and sells spells

>>3770615
Thanks.

>>3770593
The man speaks the truth.

>>3770989
I thought they were supposed to mention the use of AI on their store page and it's not there (unless I missed it).

>>3770992
fuck mentioning, how the fuck did some one look at this and say
>yeah no point in new attempts, this will do

on a side note
>check out PC user reviews on metacritic
>click a few users
>link 404d, they have been banned
>what the... click 10 recent positive reviews
>out of those only 1 user hasn't been baned
the entire thing feels like a shill campaign

>>3771033
>>click a few users
Have you checked the negatives as well?

>>3771047
no, I usually click on reviewers to see which other games they like/dislike to form a better understanding if our tastes align
but it could be fun, let me try

>>3770610
>I'm not really seeing the "Dark Fantasy" but rather a shitty Arthurian fanfiction.
To me the dark fantasy seems to be with all the magic and wyrd stuff. Whenever you're transported into any of those other realms and all the wyrd creatures. Especially act 2 with Sangramore castle and all the shit there.

>>3771032
>fuck mentioning
But the law requires it, no? I could be wrong.
I get your point. They did shit-out zone 2 and 3 pretty fast compared to how long they've worked on the 1st one. Maybe they've burned through the piggy bank and had to rush? But yeah... It does seem sloppy.

>>3771174
I don't know I'm not the cops

>>3771255
That's something an undercover cop would say.

>act 3

>>3771412
I want to know more.

>>3771575
it's just not finished. barely holding it together.
typical case of rpg development, either you're playing bg3 made by 500 devs, owlcat with 100 or one man jobs.
they all run out of resources in the final acts apparently.

>>3771602
It's a scope management problem exclusive to European developers. For all their faults, Bethesda, Bioware, inXile, and Obsidian know how to properly disperse content in a game.

>>3771602
Well, the studio obviously took a risk. Their card game had a similar story and that paid off.
To be fair, most AAA games come out riddled with bugs, unfinished content wise with post-launch development roadmaps and similar BS.
Not defending anyone here, just saying.

>>3767419
Every other post on this site is people whining about how zoomers do or cause XYZ thing. It's not really a one sided issue

>>3771602
>>3771708
>>3771815
This happens in every game, especially EA. You're going to build your game in order, which means Act 1 will be completed first and have the most time tested. That means it catches more bugs and has more polish. By the time the final act is finished the game is basically done. It gets some internal testing and is pushed out, as opposed to the first act that has existed for 2-3 years.

BG3 is the best example of this. You could play act 1 for like 2-3 years straight. They probably had a team dedicated to fixing everything in act 1 that was reported and found in EA, while other teams worked on act 2 and 3. The only way act 3 in most games would be as polished is if they finish the game, then just don't release it for a few years while they clean it all up.

>>3771929
>You're going to build your game in order
If you're new, yeah. Experienced devs know to do the first level last, when you've worked out how to do things well.

>>3771949
Also being EA isn't an excuse you can go back and improve things later.

>>3767419
>implying zoomers have jobs

>>3771602
>>3771708
they know that 90% of people don't even finish these games, that's why warhorse included all the woke shit in the second map in KCD2 and most people didn't even notice

>>3771949
Yeah at Obsidian they do the middle part first and save the beginning for when they have a better handle on what they want the gameplay to be.
>>3771967
It'll definitely be noticed in Tainted Grail because it's only 30 hours max.

>>3770091
damn the shit is ugly
I'm not the graffix guys, for instance I don't mind playing older games up to vga standard, but this is just bad

>>3766847 (OP)
It's a fun game, but they definitely didn't finish it before release. There are journal entries missing, voice lines missing, invisible walls still in some places, quests and dialogues that don't play right. And the Forlorn Swords is an undeveloped area.
It needed a few more months in the oven.

>>3766905
>not in early access
>not produced by Electronic Arts
schizo retard moment

>>3769580
>>3769601
link to video of this example???

>>3772283
So probably play it in a year or two? Maybe even wait until they inevitably do DLC.

>>3771951
They normally do go back and improve things later. The game has only been out for like a week. My point was almost every game launches with act 3 being the buggiest and then release patches over time to fix it. Happens with every game.

Goddammit I got right to the end of the game and the main quest is bugged and I can't finish it. Act 3 is a dumpster fire

>>3772575
What part was bugged? I had a side quest or 2 be bugged in act 3, but I was able to do the moot and finish the game yesterday.

>>3772306
>>not in early access
It was previously in early access, why are you lying about your shitty game? Especially since everyone else can vouch for it being an unfinished mess like, you know, every single EA game that is divided into acts.

Why the fuck did I die of red death in the true ending when there was no more red death? Are the ending slides also bugged?

>>3773148
Not sure. I did the true ending and they mentioned the merchant visited my grave, but I never died of the red death.

>>3772283
Just once for a change I'd like to see a game leave Early Acess when it's actually fucking finished

>>3773203
Games in general should be finished before they're released. Even AAA games with no EA usually aren't finished.

>>3773319
I mean, obviously, yeah. But the whole fucking POINT of Early Access is ostensibly to use feedback to adjust AND to get more time to finish it while already providing a preview of the product.
But yes, it'd be nice if the existence of patches (and worse, DLC) wasn't seen as an excuse to deliver a shittier product and finish/polish it over the next year or two.

>>3773325
Every game in the last 5-6 years that I was excited for and bought and lunch invariably ended up being an unfinished and disappointing experience. Pretty much every studio I used to like soured my goodwill towards them.

>>3773330
>bought and lunch
Bought at launch*

>>3773330
Early Access was a mistake.

>>3773319
I do agree with you, but you have to accept we live in a new era now. Games are not permanently locked into being their release version like pre-internet games were, and consumer expectations have adjusted.

What's the point of a massive Q&A department for a game that will be guaranteed to have bugs due to the sheer scale of the project, if consumers won't typically notice the difference?

I mean, games aren't made like they used to be, with 20 man teams. If you're behind a major AAA release, you might be the hundredth person to look at a specific piece of code. It's bad enough dealing with clean work from someone else, now you need to deal with a messy patchwork that has felt 1000 hands.

>>3773386
Not that I matter, but complete disagreement with this statement. Early access is a boon to both sides. People get a chance to get earlier access to a game they like, and devs get to offload Q&A costs. Additionally, suppose you need $10,000,000 to make a game, but you only have $500,000. You can use Early Access to build up your reputation, spread word of your project, and accrue sufficient capital to realize your vision. Some devs do abuse early access and abandon their projects, and it rightfully hurts their reputation. I remember seeing adds for a roguelite shooter that recently came out from the Tribes dev, and the review section is filled with "Be cautious, this dev is known for abandoning projects". That is evidence of Steam Early Access's mission right there. If you're scummy and welch on your promises, your reputation suffers. If you're Larian, you overdeliver and use early access to actually achieve consumer expectations.

Early Access has been healthy for the industry and has promoted the interests of AA and indie.

>>3773441
I would like to add that day 1 patches were a thing before early access was popularized.

>>3773480
membah the days when games were physically soldered onto a fucking circuit board so if there's a bug, it's basically a joeover for whoever made it bugged?

THEY ARE EVERYWHERE!

Anyone using king's power much?
>Often forgetting it exists
>When I do use it, it feels meh

>>3773881
yes and 95% of games sucked ass
and even the ones that didn't were basic as fuck and were build on around 1% of features a current gen game typically has
t. actually played them

is it REALLY that bad after Act 1?

I heard the main appeal is the story but if it's that shit I don't really care anymore

>>3774010
Quality does drop, but it's not that bad. You'll be a bit disappointed sometimes when you hit a broken quest or an empty area, but it's still good if you're enjoying the setting.

>>3773884
Those things are an example of how the balance in this game is over the place. They do a huge amount of damage, even if you have loads of armour. They hit harder than some bosses.
Not that you should be getting hit. You're supposed to zip around like sonic, dodging everything.

How alive does the world feel?
Are there towns or cities filled with NPCs or is it more like a Dark Souls game where there are only 1 or 2 NPCs sprinkled throughout to interact with and maybe one barely populated village?

>>3774089
Zone 1 and 2 have 1 town. Zone 1 is a fort with maybe like 10 talkable npcs and some guard. Zone 2 is an actual town with probably like 30ish people and some farmers outside? Zone 3 has a few "towns" scattered about with kike 2-7 npcs depending on the "town".

>>3774089
The towns are fairly empty but you could argue it works since it is a dying world. Most people would be hiding inside.
That's cope, tho.

Does this little dude ever do anything besides follow you around?

Is there a mod or fix to allow parrying with 1h sword with spell equipped?

>>3772575
I had a couple of side quests bugged in Act 2, but the final main quest (the long defeat) was bugged and couldn't finish it. The charred conclave objective doesn't show up on the map and I couldn't press a button to unfold that bridge to get to the charred conclave.

nyun

If I get past the gay and boring ubisoft UI and washed out graphics is this game any good? Feels like nothing good is coming out this year. It's June and all we have had this far is expedition 33

>Writes never ending fanfiction of the same guy and self-inserts herself

>>3775305
this is why I wish the characters in the game didn't just breeze in and out with little fanfare, I wish I could have seen this cutie more times

>>3774233
I assume that the guy that hates Arthur kills it at some point.

>bounties only give 100g
>bandit ears are only good for 10g
>enemies rarely if ever drop any gold
>only a handful of quests give you gold and it’s usually very little
>barely ever see gold in chests
>selling things is near worthless unless you dump points into the merchant tree
>everything costs an absolute fuckton
>the best way to make money is just to max your money making skills and sit in place for a few days spewing out food or potions to sell
Who the hell was in charge of the ingame economy, because they need a sledge to skull for this bs.

>>3775503
Isn't it only 3-4 ability points in practical that directly increase how much money you get for selling things?
I feel like I have money to work with, but not enough to max out weapons because the prices become high after +4 or so.

>>3775503
If it wasn't so trivial to respec this would be a decent system.

>>3775503
Make Wyrdarrows. They're worth 250g. Levels your handcrafting quickly and makes lots of money.

>>3775521
Shame you can only hunt wyrd deer once per shrine.

>>3775514
you can either scrape by or for the low price of 2 origin potions have infinite money

>>3775526
it's that effective?

What your favourite song from the game Anons?

I like Heavy is the crown, it's peaceful yet also sombre to listen to while wandering Act 1 and smashing deers and dumbass peasants heads in for being in the way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkEV3mt17H4

And the music that plays during the green knight and sir Gawain which I can't seem find which is annoying, if anyone knows what the track is called that be cool

>>3775659

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y-GgmYaqAc
If this game gets credit for anything it should be the music, arguably the music is better than the game itself, even goofy shit like Dagonet's clown music.

>>3775670
Thanks my man!

Yeah the music is one of the best things about this game, no doubt about it

>>3775659
I like the opening theme. Especially the chanting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PskDLbP1x1o&pp=ygUMZGFuaGVpbSB5bWly0gcJCY0JAYcqIYzv

>>3767122
I’ll say it’s definitely not complete, but it is still fun. Act 1 quests are fine, but I’m in act 2 and running into quest breaking bugs that make it fucking frustrating. I’d say the gameplay is good enough to make it fine, or if that’s a dealbreaker, wait till they fix shit. It legitimately pisses me off when I can’t complete a quest and google it, just to find out it was bugged the whole time. For me, it’s just good enough but needs work.

>>3768606
Are you the worthless faggot that comments in these threads to call people shills for talking about a video game on a video game board where you talk about video games? Ywnbaw

>>3768657
And you’re contributing to not talking about it by derailing the thread and being an annoying kike. You are making this happen. Kike.

>>3769758
Have not seen a nigger yet in game. Gameplay is fun. Game does have bugs. Still fun. Cry tranny.

I give these polski credit for trying to polish the game at such a rapidfire pace since release with a big update coming this weekend. Whether the game stands the test of time or even has franchise potential remains to be seen.

>>3767418
>>3767419
Boomers, zoomers and gen X always blame us for everything. Boomer corporate didn't even allow us to have a culture of our own

>>3767653
This game only came out days ago...

Should I keep the true all mother amulets for anything or just drown myself with all of them to upgrade my max health?

So the game sold 450K including all platforms + early access, not looking too good except for the fact that it's a literal who studio and a game that basically nobody knew existed until it dropped, I wonder what the long term prospects will be

>>3777914
I don't think that's a bad number, all things considered. The devs certainly wouldn't promise more content if it flopped, as seen by Veilguard.

>Regular patches to address major bugs and performance issues. We’re aiming for weekly patches, but they may sometimes come sooner or later. We’ll continue this work for months to come.
>We’re working on enabling Mod Support — expected in about 3–4 weeks.
>A special performance version for Steam Deck is in development (exact timing TBD).
>A huge batch of extra content is coming in Patch 1.1, which will include many of the most popular community requests, especially in the Forlorn Swords (Act 3) region. We're aiming for an August release! We won’t spoil anything, but expect some really cool additions.
>We're also exploring other popular requests, such as the New Game+

>>3777914
>literally who AA sells 450k in a time when AAA with brand recognition often sells half as much
>not looking too good
Shekelberg pls.

>upgrading the Spellslinger's helmet gives 0.01 mana regen
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH IT'S SO POINTLESS
REEEE
I love this game so far though

I accidentally upgraded my armour too much and became immune to damage.

>>3777914
>"release" broken EA mess
>get shit ton of money (for a slav)
Seems like a clear cut success for them.

>>3767768
Yes, if you hold a staff in your left hand you can use it to block and parry

>>3774010
Act 2 is good, it has some amazing dungeons. Act 3 feels unfinished.

Looks like they're finally fixing some of Arthur's missing dialogue. Turns out Merlin 'died' fighting the balrog. So basically DLC hook.

it's wild to me 4chan is more constructive about this game than the actual Steam community. There is legitimately not a single positive thread about the game there, niggas outright hate it despite buying it

>>3766847 (OP)
anyway to reduce the anti-sovl gas? The fucking smog makes it feel like I'm in china all of the time.

>>3769103
>>3769110
>>3769371
when does it happen? I haven't seen anything? I keep hearing a bell toll, see a big shadowy figure but as I run towards it, it disappears every time.

>>3778289
The armor system is hilariously scuffed. Heavy armor is such a trap.

>>3778372
Desperately hoping we get to actually go to kamelot eventually, you hear so much about it and then they just “Sorry lad, rocks blockin tha door!”

>>3778872
Act 2, in Cuanacht. He'll push your shit in.

>want to post a screenshot
>going to the screenshot folder makes linux mint crash and lose track of the NVME I have installed until restarted.
god I know this is offtopic but holy fuck linux get it together, you can't be shitting the bed and locking the entire pc up and losing track of the OS drive because somebody wants to look at the screenshot folder! ...FUCK!

So it's good right?

Play now or wait a year?

>>3779232
I'm having fun with it, but I'm just doing everything I can in Act 1. Supposedly 3 is very unfinished, and the devs have plans to add features like NG+, so mayyyyybe Act 3 will get touched up along the way. Wouldn't hurt you to wait.

>>3779232
It's a diamond in the rough. I'd advise you to wait a few months until they fix the most egregious bugs. The devs also indicated they're planning a major update that will add additional content in August.

>Help Gallahen the pure
>or his opposition
eh, what do I do?
His opposition seems entirely scummy and uncarring.
But Gallahen seems a bit unhinged.

>>3779669
He's just misunderstood.

Is unarmed actually viable in this game?

https://x.com/X_Aemon_X/status/1932820617910227417

>>3769587
First merchant of the first town is an angry girlboss who yells at you for no reason, and if you ask her why she's angry, you have to go back on it and apologize before you can sell her the crap you collected on your first loot hoarding trip. That encounter is designed to be practically unavoidable.
Then I had to look up a guide on how to get the good ending for Cuanacht and not get married (yes, literally married), to the gay weaponsmith because the game is trying that hard to railroad you into it.

Man, I love the game and I don't think these encounters are representative of the writing overall, but you have to be really fucking woke to not roll your eyes during those parts.

>>3779669
i've only just started act 3 so my opinion might not count
i think Galahad himself isn't even the problem, it's the people whe works for
Kamelot doesn't sound like the kind of people worth standing up for

Is there a guide on how gear scales with upgrades / attributes?
My arcanist's sword does a perverse amount of damage, while the rest do not. I'm assuming it's because I'm dumping stat points into Strength and Spirituality but that's just a hunch.

>>3780414
>i think Galahad himself isn't even the problem, it's the people whe works for
>Kamelot doesn't sound like the kind of people worth standing up for
starting a revolution based on a lie and "who cares what is true, what matters is that it will rile the people up to revolt, we have to destroy the old ideals"
sounds like some disgusting commie shit.
Like I honestly might reload and go help Galahad.

>>3780416
>Is there a guide on how gear scales with upgrades / attributes?
the items don't scale with attributes, as far as I know.

>>3780416
Balance is still all over the place.

>>3780477
>>3780483
yeah i've browsed the steam forums a bit and apparently the arcanist's sword is bugged
there's no scaling with attributes
every other weapon gets a flat bonus to damage when upgraded, only the arcanist's sword gets a whole lot more per level, probably due to a typo

>>3780475
Yeah that was fucking disgusting and i said no the first time around (turns out that makes the entire Horn hostile).
But by the end of Act 2 it seems increasingly clear that Kamelot has no real plan and they just want to hang onto dear life, even if it means ever other human dies.
I don't know, maybe the twist is that Kamelot had a brilliant masterplan you systematically foil it.

>>3780501
no idea. But I'm in act 1 and heavily debating who to help.
The old captain is a disgusting amoral faggot. And I would never help him if he was upfront about it.
Galahan, while extreme and overt he top, is at least honest and straightforward.
Honestly, the more I talk about it, the more I will go with Galahand. and if I could get all the lore with that option it would be a no brainer.
>Yeah that was fucking disgusting and i said no the first time around (turns out that makes the entire Horn hostile).
Can't you go get excalibur and get out? either by sneaking, or by only fighting portion of people who attack you?
I don't care for men who want to suicide themselves against myself. It's their choice.

>>3780503
i think you can, it's didn't sound like that was a game over
(there's a trick to getting it out and you're supposed to learn in from the captain, but i assume you can learn it in other ways)

>>3780507
fuck it, I'm going with Galahan.
FUCK liars and schemers!
(and I would like it to be noted I wiped the floor with galahan and his troops, so I do this purely out of moral consideration, not what gear I get, or power I obtain.

>>3780503
The Captain is an odd character. He does seem to have his heart in the right place.
He just sounds extremely slimy.

>>3780657
>He does seem to have his heart in the right place.
>I Don't care if it's true, what matters is that it will stir a revolution, we must use it!
I dunno, not caring for what is true is literally pure evil in my book.
Shits just a means to an end for him, he doesn't care about right and wrong.

So was it shilled of actually a good game?

>>3780577
>I'm going with Galahan
Correct choice.
I get what they were trying to do, but the writer either dropped his balls or, more likely, never had them in the first place. The "rebels" seem like complete fucking retards.

>>3781699
whats dissapointing is that the story and cutscenes seem to imply I know what happened to Sewal.
But since I went with Galahan, I don't.
Dumb they didn't adjust it, or let me at least sneak into the crypt.

>>3779102
you lied, he appeared in act 1.
(after you get excal)
Anyway I fought him all night and he fucking ran away at dawn.
BITCH!
Next day I fought him from early night to death.

Do I miss a lot of this Galahan vs rebel context if I sneak into the temple to talk to the captain? Vrann (or whatever her name was) wants me to be a test subject for potions, and it's not an option I want my character to choose if I can avoid it without sacrificing story.

>>3781718
actually now that I think about it.
It should have been like this:
>you meet bredan, he tells you to visit the sewal crypt to turn you to his side.
>he gives his rat speech about not giving a shit about truth
>then you go meet galahan
>decide which one you want to help
but I guess this way everybody would choose galahan.

>>3781726
>It should have been like this
Makes a lot more sense your way.

>>3781668
It is occasionally buggy and janky as fuck, has a very solid first act, unpolished second act and unfinished third act. It's a half-finished game by an AA budget studio and it shows. That being said, it's still fun. In need of a few more millions and months of dev time, but still fun and a breath of fresh air.
>>3780403
Yes, but it completely revolves around some gauntlets that increase your unarmed damage by their weight, so your damage comes from perks and dumping all your resources into upgrading your gloves. Attack speed is pretty fast so it benefits massively from perks that scale with consecutive hits.

>>3781757
NOW!, is unarmed, one handed, two-handed, or dual-wielding?
HMMmmm?

>>3781765
AFAIK it doesn't benefit from any OH, TH or DW perks, just the unarmed and general perks.

>>3781766
See, it should be that unarmed has both one-handed and dual wielding effect it.
It would make a lot more sense my way.

>>3781768
No, it should get two-handed perks because you have two hands.
Unless you touch the frog and lose one, I guess. Then yeah back to the OH tree.

>>3768606
you lost tranny lol

>>3767506
This x100

damn the quests in this game are kinda.... boring....
there is no guilds with cool quests
every time I enter a new village it's a fucking drag to talk to people and get their life story to get a new quest.
What is it about this game.
How come I didn't feel this way in other games like morrowind, or even oblivion(original)?

Like I enjoy making my "build" but the story and quests have me not giving a fuck.

>>3782233
It's funny you mention guilds.
There's an alchemist guild, but you don't actually learn any potions doing it. You just do a couple of courier tasks.
There's the stonewardens, a sort of blacksmithing guild, but they will only teach you one crafting recipe. There's nothing else there.
So then you would think there would be a cooking guild, but nope. Just a cheese zombie who teaches you one shit recipe and then gives you the single, most powerful spell in the world.

>14 hours played, and I've just now realized that fast traveling marker-to-marker is free
I thought for sure I'd tried that day 1 and declined due to a web cost.

>>3782378
It costs web to fast travel from your campfire.

I don't like the emo Souls look to everything, so I can't play this.

>>3782528
I'm sorry

>>3782373
ye you get what I'm saying...

Why cant i fuck the merchant in cunnact

>>3782528
I agree but its still pretty decent.

>>3782865
Sure you can. You do mean the burly gay blacksmith, right?

>>3782874
No, the cute girl merchant obsessed with adventure. i almost killed that blacksmith faggot. Took the hammer and told him to fuck off.

Is there any point to sparing Sirja in Vidar's questline?
I have a hard time telling how much decisions matter in the game in general, and this sounds like a major one.

Also wtf, some of these early access character models look significantly better, it's like they're from a different game.

>>3782233
>damn the quests in this game are kinda.... boring....
Thinking the same thing.
I'm in the second region and completely burned out. I thought it will be "nightmare fuel" - the game, but it turned out to be low budget Keanu Reeves adventures.

>>3783308
>nightmare fuel
It has its moments, but it's not as dark as Conquest and that's disappointing.

>>3769636
>Which is bad. We agree, no?
Well, yeah. To me Xena gets a pass for bring cheesy sexy fun but I can't genuinely root for Brianne of Tarth

>>3783308
>I thought it will be "nightmare fuel" - the game, but it turned out to be low budget Keanu Reeves adventures.
I expected things to get weird, considering how much weirdness there is going around, you know wyrdness, right?

But honestly it's not the area setting, though that doesn't help either.
It's the fact that each NPC blends to into another one for me in terms of "feel".
They are different and their stories are different but what I "do" and how I interact with them, is the same.
I dunno...
Again I can't place my finger on it, why something like original oblivion had me more engaged with talking to people and doing quests, exploring and so on.
Over Tainted grail where I Feel all quests are "the same" and all the settings are the "same" and I get no excitement to explore.
I dunno... something is off.

>>3778322
thanks!

>>3780503
with the idea that you will become the new king of avalon it doesn't make sense to let kamelot succeed in any way
they are useless retards running around killing everyone where you can bring unity

>>3783619
>with the idea that you will become the new king of avalon
???where are you getting this idea?

>agree to help the husband run away
>300 gold for a house? fuck yeah
>send the bitch wife away
>you can't decorate the house
>also later learn that the wife has a whole romantic sidequest
I'm impressed but also pissed off

>>3784143
After many years of casual RPGs it feels strange to play an RPG where you can permanently gimp your character or lock yourself out of content because you picked the wrong dialogue option

>>3784255
I failed to get a full crew for Yvain's grail quest. I couldn't get Maggot on board because somewhere along the way I picked some option and failed to help him reconcile his issues. By the time I realised, going back to choose differently would have meant going back hours.
You can make mistakes in quests and it feels natural rather than a flat-out "quest failed". The game carries on.

I think that fits the story and setting. You deal with a lot of Arthur and Merlin's mistakes.

Are there many different broken builds or did I chance upon an especially broken one?
I'm around lvl 50, and I'm oneshotting most enemies with the one handed axe that has +200% crit damage and 90% crit chance and 300% bonus crit damage(base).
Share your build I guess.

>>3784453
>everyone helps the grail except the woman
>woman refuses to help because I got her her soul back and now she wants to take care of the hospital she neglected
>even though I got the merchants to start funding the hospital

>tfw can't get snu snu from dal riata warrior women
>>3784672
I don't think I'm broken but I think I'm plenty strong
lvl 20 something magic build and I'm just stacking spell power up and mana regen. I just throw force lightnings and guided missiles everywhere. I'm really good at 1v1/bossfights with no adds but when I get surrounded I had to play turtle.

>>3784672
I think any build would eventually become godlike. All those +1% bonuses really stack up.
At the start, when your little club does 2-6 damage, putting your one level up point into strength for 1% more damage seems like shit.
But by the time you're level 25, you've got the big boy club that does 40-50 damage and now your +50% damage boost from strength, skills and gear really powers it up.
By the time you get to level 50, you've got the god slayer club that does 200 damage, and your damage bonus from strength, skills and gear boosts your damage +100%. And your 90% crit rate triples it beyond even that.

>>3785204
>I think any build would eventually become godlike. All those +1% bonuses really stack up.
No they don't.
I just ignored strength melee damage bonus it's obviously not the way to boost damage
t. +339% bonus to melee damage.

>>3766847 (OP)
This game is great:
>no wokeshit
>1000x better aesthetics than oblivion, maybe twice as good as skyrim (I'm partial to surrealism and a very Metal Avalon)
>meaningful stats which betheslop abandoned long ago for console plebbery, including even a crafting stat that plays into combat.
>spells are fun again

Went in blind, blown away by opening sequences, the extra night mechanic, running a necromancer and mauling things with 5 ghouls while I manage their death and fleshwall buffer between myself and said ogre or animated statue and spam bleeds and life drains, occasionally corpse explosion if I get overrun. Found a combo of druid robes and necro robes. I can use the necro staff with a manashield and mix it up in melee a bit too if I'm feeling brave for a spindly magical toothpick since I can get one shotted pretty easily. Pure spirituality so far while I develop the ability to support better minions, I might branch into 2h and death knight style heavy armor later if I'm feeling cute/goth enough. Ghouls are the kind of fast cannon fodder that seems perfect so far, skels seem decent but maybe too slow and they need a much larger mana pool beyond two out, keeper archers stood around while I got overrun, but they might serve better in a tank style build.

The hardest difficulty feels good, like an actual game, something Bethesda walking and spamming sims haven't felt like in a long time.

The dialog is a little over expository heavy and boring but serviceable, some of the voice actors are better than average but the theme carries it all hard.

>>3785212
oh, and using frost as a backup when bleeds don't work, which actually slows and freezes things with a shatter mechanic once you build up enough freeze hits
110% necrokino, highly recommend

>>3776040
You probably agreed with some blm riot after saint floyd died of OD so yeah, you deserve it for being a good rainbow corporate drone though.]
You probably agree with the la riots over deporting illegals that are also the reason you're poor.

Millennials by and large fucking suck and believe everything the media tells them but this game doesn't suck.

Signed, GenX

>>3785215
I think there are more enemies resistant to freeze than bleed, so in the end bleed seems better, though the downside is you have to keep applying it cause it runs out fast

>>3785231
I killed Caradoc on the beech with bleed. Just kept stacking it.
Bleed works on everything, from zombies, to stone golems, to phantom wyrdknights.

>>3785273
I think skellingtons are immune to them, but yeah, I think ice resistant monsters are way more common
I also killed Caradoc that way. Sad that I can't wear any of his gear and eventually realize they kind of suck relative to their stat requirement.

>>3785282
You can wear it, you just won't get any bonuses.
There's actually a hidden achievement for wearing his clothes the next time you talk to him.

>>3785297
Yeah I know, that's what I meant I don't get any benefit in wearing his gear
>spoiler
ah shit, I might have sold them already. But I'll check.
I know you get an achievement befriending the guard at the stoner cave.

Does anyone even use those soul cubes? You have to charge them up by killing multiple enemies and then you can use them to cast a spell. But the spell isn't even that good.

>>3786474
I heard they're better later on when you're dealing a lot more damage and hence charging them faster but yeah they seem to suck so far for me.

I'm not really keen on blocking with wands either when as a light armor wearer it's much easier to just dodge, so I'm hesitant to invest in that wand/cube skilltree, but I do kinda like the necromancer beatstick as it buffs the shield decently so that makes a combo to wade in besides my ghouls with when I get tired of spamming life bleed drain.

>>3786474
Haven't touched them, but I haven't gone for a full caster build. I've made a spellblade, so I haven't touched wands or staves either.

>>3786533
The wand skills buffing damage and giving mana refund seem good.
Since you get 4 slots and you can put the same wand in the off-hand of every slot, there's not much to gain from dual-wielding spells but a lot to gain from carrying that stat-stick.

Also, I like the idea of a fighting wizard wielding his staff for protection.

>>3785212
>>meaningful stats
>>meaningful stats
> +1% melee damage from strength

>>3786543
You can use both spells at the same time, there isn't any penalty.
I started using wands when I got the wand that gives you a 75% chance to double cast though.

>>3786769
He's obviously talking about the shit you find on equipment. I'd personally have liked more unique effects, but I'm pretty happy with where things are at equipment-wise regardless.

>science guy in the city sells armor set that makes you not regen mana
kek, he really hates magic
>>3786474
I used them several times early game, like when fighting the bitch inside the blood cave or the big rat in weed cave. But after getting more spells and power ups I haven't used them, I just rely on wands.

Yeah, I don't see why I wouldn't side with Galahad. Maybe I've missed something because so far it seems like:
>people acting like Galahad is some insane psycho who revels in bloodshed
>captain of south wants to separate from Kamelot because Kamelot has the absolute gall to direct South Horn development in trade for providing heft resources to south; aligns with southern barbarian tribe to overthrow Kamelot and grab power...at the height of worsening Wyrdness
>meet Galahad and he's definitely on the extreme end of lawful but otherwise sensible, especially given the current climate where an external force is becoming a worsening problem for the land
Was this supposed to be a difficult choice? Did I miss something that made the captain not seem like a selfish retard and Galahad seem more unstable?

>>3788237
The captain is a supposed to be an unlikeable person but his personal flaws shouldn't detract from the overall goals and reasons behind southern independence and alliance with the tribes. I don't know how you can have doubts about Galahad's blood lust, when people speak about him they chiefly mention his eagerness for killing and his introduction is literally him relaxing and staring at impaled, burning corpses as if it's his idea of a cozy evening in front of a fireplace. The TL;DR is that Kamelot doesn't give a shit about anything that isn't Kamelot, act 1 is completely overrun by bandits wherever you turn and Kamelot does not give a shit about maintaining law and order, they just send their attack dog when they don't get the results and tribute they want. Making peace with the Dal Riata presents a possibility of actually pacifying and restoring order to the region. In act 2 you'll also be presented with some new facts which casts Kamelot in a worse light, but it's not really meant to be a "this is the good guy choice" and "this is the bad guy choice", it's a matter of preference and what content.

>>3788517
>shouldn't detract from the overall goals and reasons behind southern independence and alliance with the tribes
Which are what? The Horns have been overrun by bandits and creatures as the Keepers cower at the castle and the captain plots.
>I don't know how you can have doubts about Galahad's blood lust
I don't. I was saying that people made him to be some crazed zealot out for blood, and while there is an element of truth in that, he's not as mad as others imply. As I said, he's extreme but seems to remain most of his rationality.
>when people speak about him
Irrelevant rumor
>his introduction is literally him relaxing and staring at impaled, burning corpses as if it's his idea of a cozy evening in front of a fireplace
Yes, that is a major detraction.

>The TL;DR is that Kamelot doesn't give a shit about anything that isn't Kamelot, act 1 is completely overrun by bandits wherever you turn
And that's not Kamelot's immediate responsibility. The Horns of the South were created to operate with a high degree of autonomy, weren't they? Did I misunderstand that part? In any case, it was the captain that kept everyone huddled in the castle and failed to enforce order against bandits. It was my understanding that Kamelot is presently more involved than intended by attaching stipulations to aid funds/resources, and although they certainly COULD have sent manpower to enforce order in the South, it sounds like they have their hands full at the moment, and the South needs to pull its weight. But under the captain, it definitely isn't. He's off making deals and setting the South up for a much bigger bout of unrest in the form of civil war when Kamelot disagrees with his pact. I know little about Kamelot after doing everything else in Act 1 so far, but the South's situation and failings are readily apparent, and the likely future fallout of the captain's actions are easily envisioned.
>they just send their attack dog when they don't
So people tell me

cont...

>>3788517
...cont

>Making peace with the Dal Riata presents a possibility of actually pacifying and restoring order to the region
It could, but their goals stretched beyond a neighborly peace. They were moving in a position of opposition to Kamelot, and it was going to come to a head one way or another, in the worst case, a large scale conflict. It doesn't seem like the time for civil conflict when the wyrd is getting progressively worse.
> In act 2 you'll also be presented with some new facts which casts Kamelot in a worse light
Damn. It'd have been nice to have that information available when I made the decision, but I like that you aren't given a clear picture of the matter. It's a nice change of pace.
>but it's not really meant to be a "this is the good guy choice" and "this is the bad guy choice", it's a matter of preference and what content.
Yeah, if I were playing a straight warrior, I probably would've sided with the captain and One-Eye for Galahad's and his guys' gear. It just caught me as strange how disproportionate the sides in this decision seemed. The captain's side seems extremely tenuous, at best, in the long term, and his maintenance of the South already casts significant doubts on his ability. On the other hand there's Kamelot, which we have little information about at the time besides knowing that even if it's in a bad state at present, it has a longstanding foundation and more resources to lean on should they be needed for whatever's to come.

>>3788526
>>3788533
I haven't played the game in like two weeks so my memories on all the details are a bit fuzzy, but from what I can recall the gist of it essentially boils down is that Kamelot is corrupt and selfish and the South essentially don't want to be a paypiggy subordinate to what's supposed to a decadent kingdom only concerned with the capital. Breandan and One-Eye are very unsympathetic characters (given that both are traitors and at least one of them is a manipulative bitch) while Galahad is refreshingly honest with the player. The independence movement wants to make peace with the Dal Riata tribes so they can work together to maintain the order in their lands. They represent change while Galahad and Kamelot represents going down the same beaten path that's been treaded so many times before, with increasingly worse results (Wyrdness keeps coming back stronger) every time. Now I got in the mood to play again, I think I'll start a new 2H build and side with Galahad just because.

>>3788543
Good point about the characters' perception, and it doesn't help that to even meet with Breandan and One-Eye in the first place, you're supposed to do stupid tasks for the Dal Riata there.

I have seen all the talk about Kamelot's corruption and self-interest, but ultimately my issue still boils down to Breandan's incompetence and the movement's potentially calamitous timing. You're naturally right about what each party represents, but my dilemma is that the choice seems hamstrung by factors weighted against the insurgent force. Like I've said, it's a shit time to rock the boat for anyone but the opportunistic, and Breandan's not the guy to do it anyway. At the time of the decision, the player knows very little about One-Eye. It's too idealistic for the present climate imhofamalam, and even then, the Captain and Dal Riata were still operating in substantial self-interest and without mutual respect (as shown if you gift the axe to the quartermaster which gets inscribed with something rude I don't remember).
> with increasingly worse results (Wyrdness keeps coming back stronger) every time
An alternative solution coming from the coalition hadn't even entered my mind when I was choosing between the two sides. That definitely was a mistake. With that said, if there was more exhaustive dialogue at the All Mother's Temple (or elsewhere) regarding the Dal Riata's ability to respond to the worsening wyrdness, I definitely missed it (or it was set to come after I made my selection). I know they're more in tune with it, but that doesn't mean they're going to have a solution.

Anyway, it would've been nice to see this choice presented with a bit more to support the captain's and One-Eye's side. It felt like the choice came too quickly. I look forward to seeing one that path is like next time.

>Now I got in the mood to play ... because.
kek. I was gonna do a 2H build next too. The spellsword armor was too sexy to pass up for this one though.

>>3788554
>An alternative solution coming from the coalition hadn't even entered my mind when I was choosing between the two sides. That definitely was a mistake. With that said, if there was more exhaustive dialogue at the All Mother's Temple (or elsewhere) regarding the Dal Riata's ability to respond to the worsening wyrdness, I definitely missed it (or it was set to come after I made my selection). I know they're more in tune with it, but that doesn't mean they're going to have a solution.
I don't want to spoil it for you but you will eventually find out why the Wyrdness keeps coming back stronger.

>>3788555
That sounds very encouraging. Lovely

>>3788517
> The TL;DR is that Kamelot doesn't give a shit about anything that isn't Kamelot, act 1 is completely overrun by bandits wherever you turn and Kamelot does not give a shit about maintaining law and order,
You mean..... like the captain that said to for the Horns to sit in a castle and do nothing?
The very same captain that is scheming, lying and pushing things to get what He wants?
And look at you. doing his bidding like a good puppet.
>The captain is a supposed to be an unlikeable person but his personal flaws shouldn't detract from the overall goals
to seize power? he has zero regard for truth and fairness and only wants to grab power.

>>3788533
>> In act 2 you'll also be presented with some new facts which casts Kamelot in a worse light
>Damn. It'd have been nice to have that information available when I made the decision, but I like that you aren't given a clear picture of the matter. It's a nice change of pace.
not that guy but, the game specifically doesn't give you said info if you are doing kamalot way and specifically gives it as post justification cope if you are doing the tribes way.
You aren't making a decision so much as you are given cope material as to why the choice you made is fine.

>>3788559
Like I said, the captain being a douchebag shouldn't detract from the idea that the Kamelot is corrupt and that the South could be better off working with the tribes.

>>3788543
>Now I got in the mood to play again, I think I'll start a new 2H build and side with Galahad just because.
I can confirm, I use 2H and I sided with GalaCHAD

>>3788564
>Like I said, the captain being a douchebag shouldn't detract from the idea that the Kamelot is corrupt
and how do you know Kamalot is corrupt?
Aside from the captain telling you and pointing to the state of things being, literally by his own orders?

>>3788562
kek. I have heard plenty of characters paint Kamelot in a negative light, and while much of it could be dismissed as rumor and the disgruntled woes of peasantry and people looking to place blame, I still I assumed I'd hate most in charge of Kamelot even before being presented with that decision. If it were only a question of replacing Kamelot's hierarchy with a better system and trustworthy leadership, I'd likely have gone for it off all that hearsay alone.

>>3788564
But this is what I was talking about earlier. The captain can't handle his power in the south. He lets bandits linger a couple hundred meters beyond the castle wall. The sunken village overrun by drowners is a modest jog away from the last occupied settlement outside its bastion with not even a wooden rampart and guard posted between them at a good chokepoint. And this is the figurehead of the rebel movement and presumably a prominent member of, should they prevail, the new leadership over the entire domain? Hell. Fucking. No.

>>3788566
>and how do you know Kamalot is corrupt?
Like with everything else that you don't personally verify with your own eyes, you'll pick it up from the people in the world. That doesn't mean they can't be wrong, but the sentiment comes from somewhere. This isn't meant to be presented as a black and white choice, there's not a clear winner that's 100% in the right.

>>3788569
True. Galahad wouldn't even be paying a visit if the captain had been putting his men to work.
He could have done all his scheming in secret and never been exposed or threatened. He only needed the player's help because he fucked up.

>>3788569
Isn't that why they made peace with Dal Riata? To make the area safer. Before this Dal Riata is doing their own thing while the Horns had to do everything while also not having proper support from Kamelot and handling refugees.

>>3788576
>Like with everything else that you don't personally verify with your own eyes,
oh... you are one of those people...

>>3788576
>but the sentiment comes from somewhere.
>this propaganda can't be false, it must come from somewhere.
>if a lot of people believe it, it MUST be true
>we must support the proven to your face corrupt people because they are fighting le evil people(so they say) who are you going to believe?! Them? or your own lying eyes?!

really enjoying the game so far. haven't played much; just dicked around in some crypt to kill a necromancer, then checked out a village that had some fag in a cage.

Sort of daunted by building my character, I have a very strong feeling that I'm accidentally building someone that isn't very good but I don't have much of a feel for the abilities yet.

I just wanna RP a big charismatic two-hand sword knight coolguy

>>3788608
>[x]: heavy doubt
That may be a side benefit, but I doubt it's the primary or secondary reason for Breandan wanting that alliance. He was very clearly anti-Kamelot and pro-himself. If he cared about the south's security, he wouldn't have let things get so fucking bad and left everyone huddled up in the castle with no attempt to improve the situation before betraying his post.

>>3788885
Don't worry about it. You get Origin Potions that reset your attribute and skill points. And anyway, the game isn't particularly hard. I've put a lot of points into item sales (Practicality attribute and some skill points into crafting stuff and sale value) because I didn't want to completely cheese my item sales, and I'm doing just fine on Veteran difficulty. From what I hear, it's pretty easy to get your character overpowered the further you get into the game.

Can I return to the Horns of the South after entering Act 2 or is this one of those games where you can only move forward in zone, never back?

>>3788893
difficulty isn't my worry so much as "missing content" locked behind checks and so on. just doing loads of side content to try build to it

>>3788905
You can. In fact there's at least 2 side quests that require you to go back there.

>want to swap my armor set up
>Spellslinger's set just looks too good
Man, the helmet is fucking shit too. But it's so good looking. If only upgrading it scaled by 0.1 instead of 0.01, it'd be good.

>>3789082
They'll probably add a transmog option eventually. Then you can have bonuses of the best wizard gear without making your character look like the guy from rocky horror picture show.

>>3788566
>>3788567
>>3788543

> Kamalot is corrupt
Yeah, it very much is.

I think the writing has been made more ambiguous in order to leave room for roleplaying either side but come on now:
>The game is called Tainted Grail
>Arthur's resurrection is pretty Black Metal looking. I mean we're surpassing Lich King levels of imagery here.
>Camelot is spelled with a K for more edge lol
>Take one look at Excalibur and decide if that's a holy sword aesthetic lol

Yeah aesthetically there's a certain "morally" depicted math here and what I've seen so far points to not just corrupt but Evil with a capital E and the room for roleplaying narrative fits into the type of rationalizing and moral relativism that Evil would engage in.
This elevates the writing rather than detracting from it though. You can def. come up with reasons to side with Galahad as a result but at the end of the day he's still a pyromaniac zealot sitting on top of a room of twisted corpses speaking blithely about the transgressions of peasant savages and what not pish tosh pop pop.
I haven't played any other game in their franchise so IDK there. But an Evil round table is much more interesting narratively than standard anyway.

>>3786769
This is a 100 level type of game so once you're 33 you can be a third more effective if you're dedicated from the stats alone. Maybe play something a bit more before you try to dismiss it in two lines. The other stats work in pretty well in a way bethesda threw in the trash about 20 years now, which includes gear upgrade system including most of the unique gear you pick up can be upgraded and a combat integrated crafting stat and tree.


>>3788876
Arthur condoning experiments on his own men turning them into immortal zombie husks trapped in stasis chambers for eternity gets up there on the Evil scale. One Eye doesn't even tell you this he makes a point of having you travel to see it for yourself and hear it from the person Arthur betrayed (Sewel) directly.

>>3788569
The Drowned Village became Drowned to cover up the evidence of Arthur experimenting on his own men btw. It is spelled out verbatim that they wiped out a village to protect Arthur's benevolent leader image. He's not just the Lich King, he's the Lich King with propagandists working to cover for him (chief among which is Merlin) with magical genocide and a good rationalization for everything he does to sucker in low willpower and low IQ plebs. A villain of this caliber (Ex caliber if you will) hasn't come down the RPG pipeline in some time in fact, which is one great RPG hook.

Not being able to control some bandits is a far cry from necromantic experiments on your own men and wiping out anyone who knew about it. Don't let your autistic "perfect is the enemy of the good" tendency blind you to actual capital E Evil. I'd make a Voltaire style figure as a wandering paladin in this game to remind aforementioned plebs lol.

>but he forgot everything and is comfy and cozy to me by our fireside chats

Yeah, right, lol. And I have a bridge made out of Durendals to sell you.

>>3789119
I agree. They're obviously putting a much more negative emphasis on Arthur, the Round Table, and Kamelot as a whole. That much wasn't a point of contention for me. My entire point was that you're picking a lesser of two evils, and you have hardly any actual, in-setting information on Kamelot, Arthur, and the Round Table at the point of that decision whereas you know Brandean is a power-hungry retard who's let the Horns get completely fucked over and know little more about One-Eye and his group than
>they oppose Kamelot
>dude tribal barbarians in tune with the wyrd lmao
and the fact that they made you drink a potentially fatal concoction to gain a meeting with him and sent a vulgar message in rune carvings as their diplomatic gift (depending on what you chose).

Galahad is obviously a zealot, yeah, but he seems to obviously fall into the role of "vicious attack dog who gets let off the leash when needed" and retains a relatively sound mind. That's not a huge detraction in the grand scheme of things compared to unknown barbarians and a captain who wants more power than he already has yet can't even function with what he's got. That's all.

I agree that, other things being equal, a morally grey/black Round Table is significantly more interesting than them being pure good boys though.

>Kamelot with a "k" being edgy
Never even crossed my mind kek. I just associate it with the band every time it comes up.

>>3789146
And that information isn't available when you're on that quest. You don't even see the experimentation stuff until the cutscene after touching Excalibur. Same shit with Sewal. You only get that expanded info on that (in act 1 anyway) through siding with One-Eye. I don't know why you're acting like I'm trying to defend Arthur's and Merlin's transgressions when all I'm saying is that you have extremely lopsided information when choosing between the captain and Galahad. Almost anything substantively against Kamelot comes after that quest lmao.

>>3789106
I just nuked that queen and found that the full arcanist set did better anyway, even when I left enough of it on to not look like Prof. Frank N Furter with a few of the queenset pieces but I dropped them completely.

Turns out that being next to unkillable with mana shield abuse still leaves you with enough damage to get things done, on a pure Spirituality build anyway.

Using wands and summoning for extra spell power and distractions, skull staff for yet more mana shield, regen forever, and Merlin's thorns as main weapon (blood ring so it also applies bleed) with corpse explosion for when things get too swarmy. The battlemages do decent work with most of their upgrades. This is on veteran.

>>3789152
>And that information isn't available when you're on that quest. You don't even see the experimentation stuff until the cutscene after touching Excalibur. Same shit with Sewal. You only get that expanded info on that (in act 1 anyway) through siding with One-Eye. I don't know why you're acting like I'm trying to defend Arthur's and Merlin's transgressions when all I'm saying is that you have extremely lopsided information when choosing between the captain and Galahad. Almost anything substantively against Kamelot comes after that quest lmao.
Fair enough, I figured the cutscene would play even if you sided with Galahad though, which I haven't tried yet.

Nothing to do with our comments but from earlier: anyone saying these quests are weak should stop playing RPGs altogether. Abyss of Sagremor has elevated this game to VTM:B level high art in my eyes at this point and likely surpassed it, since it works better right now without a legacy of fan patches lol.

>>3789168
>Fair enough, I figured the cutscene would play even if you sided with Galahad though
Yeah, you get a cutscene between Merlin and Arthur upon touching Excalibur after you've mad your decision, and Sewal is mentioned there, but you don't actually go to his tomb. That's what I meant by missing expanded information. You just get the sparknotes version of him and Caradoc being Merlin's experiments into immortality.

>>3789119
>This is a 100 level type of game so once you're 33 you can be a third more effective if you're dedicated from the stats alone.
you are absolutely idiotic.
I can shit out 33% increased damage much easier than to dedicate 33 levels to it.
Only an absolute moron is leveling the STR for damage reasons.

>Arthur condoning experiments on his own men turning them into immortal zombie husks trapped in stasis chambers for eternity gets up there on the Evil scale. One Eye doesn't even tell you this he makes a point of having you travel to see it for yourself and hear it from the person Arthur betrayed (Sewel) directly.
You are literally parroting a fake narrative that the corrupt captain told you, LAMO.
He even said "I don't care about the truth, this is just to rouse the rabble to rebel"
and you honestly repeat it like it's the truth lamo.

>poison ring looks super good
>most things are dead by the time you apply poison or (effectively) immune to it
Fuck me.

>>3789229
Bleed is miles above every other status effects it's not even funny

>>3789244
Yeah I have the relic on my sword applying it, but I've been going into the status stuff in practicality for my sword and sorc build, and poison would've fit in to it nicely, especially with that ring.

>>3789180
>from the stats alone
Meaning, a third more effective before you consider equipment, skills, king powers etc. Your internet tough talk aside, this doesn't make the case that stats don't matter here, because they do, and in a way every other Elder scrolls title has abandoned.
>fake narrative
This game has a lot of English in it and I suspect it isn't your first language.
>The corrupt captain tells you
Sewel himself tells you Arthur betrayed them all as he's an immortal zombie clawing at the walls of some HR Giger undead pod when you go to the scene, similar to the one Arthur himself is lying in to reinforce the clear narrative that not all is right and good in Avalon.

This is what it's always like posting with myopic enjoyers of rumination on this board, so I'm not surprised this time around either that salient details the size of the Tunguska event have somehow miraculously escaped your attention.

>>3789246
If you just want the bonus damage when enemy has more status effects, there's Crippling Bolt spell. It applies attack down and crit chance up (when charged) instantly.

>>3789246
Rings have a better use case in the case of applying status effects to spells whereas a relic in a wand generally won't, depending on how it is worded as I did some tests.
>"inflict" no
>"on hit" yes

Unless you're using the wand to actually bash people with that is. Which I'm generally not.

>>3789249
God damn. I've yet to get that, but it sounds very nice. I got into Act 2 and pretty much beelined to the corrupted temple for the armor, only grabbing the poison ring and the bandit brother near one of the zone entrances along the way by happenstance. Yeah the more status effect one was what I was going for. I was gonna swap burn/chill for the poison with poison ring.

>>3789250
I had no idea. I hadn't even thought to try since it's so easy to just throw the bleed relic on my weapon. Thanks, m8
>wand
Haven't touched them. I've been some combination of 1H and spell almost the entire time. I'll have to try to remember the wording difference for if I ever make a full caster.

>>3766847 (OP)
Of course /vrpg/ obsesses over the fotm gookslop.

>>3789252
Were you looking for the Chrono Odyssey thread or something?

>>3789251
I remember finding at least 2 crippling bolt in act 2, but sadly I don't remember where exactly. Maybe check wiki but the information about this game is still pretty scarce. Hope you can find it.

>>3789254
Thanks. I've been moving through areas fairly slowly (I just spent like 2 and half hours in the temple trying to ensure I missed nothing), so I'm confident I'll eventually find one.

>>3789146
No no no, he wasn't evil. They were losing the war! They had to do something!

>>3789298
I like Caradoc's answer when confronted about that
>Player: he experimented with people because he wants his people to be able to fight back and stay alive
>Caradoc: well maybe we were meant to be extinct

Finally finished my first playthrough. I enjoyed it, but man, was it buggy as all heck. Played on console, and it crashed a lot, especially in Cuanacht and the Forlorn Swords. Aside from the crashes, I didn't see a lot of bugs, but weirdly, a lot of inconsistent things showed up in the endings. For example
>The Beyond the Veil achievement didn't unlock even though I used the Life Spindle
>I reloaded and raised Arthur from the dead, killing me in the process. However, Alisa/Alina still appeared and said that she was happy for me becoming king
>Children of Morrigan - I let Self become the leader, which did show in the ending... but it also showed that I also dismantled the group? What?

And a few more that I'm not too keen on listing. Kind of soured the experience, to be honest.

>>3789314
Caradoc is genuinely an idiot.
If he were ever told that belief is what keeps Arthur alive, then he would go around stabbing everyone who knows the name.

>>3789340
kek yeah I was being sarcastic there. I agree I thought he was kind of bumbling.

>>3789248
>Meaning, a third more effective before you consider equipment, skills, king powers etc.
You are a fucking retard with hurr durr 30% increase physical damage.
While I Shit down your neck with 400% increased damage.
>Your internet tough talk aside, this doesn't make the case that stats don't matter here, because they do, and in a way every other Elder scrolls title has abandoned.
Holy retard! I told you that it has meaningless stats like STR increase shit being completely pointless and waste of points. Doesn't mean that literally zero stats make any difference. Rather you should stop pretending there isn't many garbage stats that are a waste of points and simply there to trap morons.

>This game has a lot of English in it and I suspect it isn't your first language.
Whatever you say Rajesh.
>Sewel himself tells you Arthur betrayed them all
Sewel doesn't know jack shit. The only thing he knows it that he got fucked over.
He doesn't know how much Arthur or Merlin were involved.
> immortal zombie clawing at the walls of some HR Giger undead pod when you go to the scene, similar to the one Arthur himself is lying in to reinforce the clear narrative that not all is right and good in Avalon.
No shit, this the universe of this game, everything is like that.

>This is what it's always like posting with myopic enjoyers of rumination on this board, so I'm not surprised this time around either that salient details the size of the Tunguska event have somehow miraculously escaped your attention.
You are trying and failing to sound intelligent because actually intelligent people don't start reaching for fancier words to appear something they are not.

>>3789343
To be fair, there's so much dialogue in the game that you can easily miss some conversations.
But he does say something similar to "maybe we should all just die", when he tells you about his plan to plunge the whole of Avalon into total chaos.

>>3789379
>did you ever think maybe we weren't supposed to survive?
was his brilliant IQ comeback when talking about survival.

>>3789382
I should have mentioned that I also fought him at that point. Because he attacks me when I disagreed with him.
Beat the absolute snot out of him and killed him in 1 hit basically.
and his comeback then way
>w-well I hope you feel good about yourself now, this changes nothing
lol, what a tard

>fill up the stone heart with monster souls
>decide not to give it to the blacksmith cause the dal riata faggot keep talking about spooky shit
>ending was kind of anticlimactic but whatever, I also failed the teddy bear quest with the old guy anyway
>look up the other endings for the quest
>mfw
HOLY SHIT talk about dodging some massive bullets

>>3789400
You made the right choice.

>>3789382
Aside from Caradoc, the story was weirdly unconvincing in general for me. Still like the art a lot, though.
>The All-Mother had the Weaver craft Arthur from her fascination with humans. Then she caused the Red Death because Arthur chose to be an actual human.
But then these two don't seem to be actually separated since she's also somehow hanging out in Avalon.
>The Weaver's entire purpose is to be the ultimate godly craftsman.
Then why can you or the All-Mother just restore Arthur as soon as you rob the Life Spindle? Why didn't she restore him right away if it's this easy? It's all so pointless.

>>3789442
story in general seems retarded.
the setting is cool and all, but over arching story is meh.
and lets not remind ourselves of all the quests, side quests and so on, which somehow feel dead and not exciting.
God I should go replay oblivion and figure out why the side content was "fun" and tainted grail quests feel grindy and boring.

>>3789314
It's such an outrageously stupid answer.
>Yes we should just roll over and accept death
It's on par with that bicycle cuck equal amount of happiness comic

>>3789557
Not really. This is all just about Avalon (Britain). Arthur led an expedition there to escape from the plague that only exists because of him. How does he have the right to commit any kind of atrocity just for that goal? This isn't about extinction and it's not like normal people live forever anyways.

>>3789565
Well the alternative was simply letting everyone get wiped out, so quit being such a fucking moralfag cuck about it.

>>3789573
But it's Arthur and his mom who are actually killing everybody. There were also Picts and Celts already on the island and which would continue to be perfectly fine without Arthur the alien plagueing everything up. I don't know why Caradoc talks about extinction, unless the All-Mother really killed everyone on the mainland, but he must have realized eventually that Arthur isn't even human and doesn't give a shit.

>>3789581
How is arthur killing everybody?

>>3789371
>anGrY gIbBeRisH in which bigger numbers are made up to sound tougher and the entire paragraph bears no resemblance to any basis in fact.
Yawn.
>Sewel somehow doesn't know Arthur and Merlin are involved, the Merlin that did the actual experiments on Sewel turning him into a zombie and putting him in a weird obviously magical pod, and the Arthur that basically ordered him to abide by his oath and submit to the experiments
You just fart out of your mouth and don't think about a single thing you are saying apparently, so it is easy to dismantle your angry and shallow ravings.

>>3789586
>yawn
nice argument, bro

>>3789582
The secret ending is curing the plague.
>>3789442

>>3789590
answer the question.

>>3789591
I should have said ending the plague, as its origin is simply the All-Mother. It ends as soon as you force Arthur to go back.

>>3789596
>it's arthurs fault
>actually it's the all mother doing it
so why is arthur at fault?

>>3789598
It's obviously a Jesus kind of situation. He fucking knows what's up. Him secretly being a fore-dweller prince is after all the source of his power.

>>3789600
>how is he at fault?
>dude my headcannon, In my head I imagined, he knows, he knows, ahhh it's all his fault

>>3789601
Why wouldn't he know when every half-god is licking his ass, like that fish god?

>>3766847 (OP)
Well lads, it seems Arthur being dead silent in Act 2 was a bug that is not retroactively fixed in hotfix.
I like this game enough to where I don't mind a restart, what should I run instead of pure caster?

I'm thinking some way to combo stealth and magic more, perhaps with dual wielding somehow. I notice that skill for invis upon taking damage but is there any other way to go invis or reset stealth for more backstab damage? It's all stealth fun and games until you're locked into some tiny arena with a boss or duel.

I don't want to do arrows or big and slow armor and 2h but some violent dodgy fast melee seems fun.
Additionally there's the anti magic set in the second town to try, looks like a witch (druid) hunter, stops mana regen completely, gives a whopping 50% manashield and weird ways to then get your mana back like taking damage.

>>3789618
do what I do.
2H, light armor, dodge and whack them hard.
Basically glass cannon.

>>3789618
>Well lads, it seems Arthur being dead silent in Act 2 was a bug that is not retroactively fixed in hotfix.
Almost done with the second area and I actually forgot that was a thing.

Fishing is such a strange minigame to put in this.

>>3789400
What happened? Did he make good on his whole baby-eating ranting?

>>3790626
The ending I got left him still with the ruined heart but he's sane
if you give him the monster soul filled heart he will go insane
if you give him the heart filled with part of your life he will fucking propose to you and if you refuse his cock he will stop become a merchant to you to be fair this was foreshadowed by the Dal Riata homo

>>3789621
heavy armor means you have to spend resources to turn it into light armor
light armor means you have to spend resources to turn it into invincibility

>>3790673
The clue was there, you're right. I got caught out by it. Before that quest, I had been picking dialogue options and quest paths to make the kind of character who keeps sacrificing himself to save people. So filling the heart with life kept to that RP.
But it backfired with the blacksmith. Oh dear god how it backfired.

It's a good quest in the sense that it reminds you that you don't have to do every single quest. There's nothing wrong with skipping them. He didn't really need a new heart. His old one was a little damaged, but it wasn't life-threatening. He would learn to cope.
You don't have to do the abortion quest, either.

>>3790780
wat?

>>3790822
>Oh dear god how it backfired.
How? spoiler it.

>>3790822
>abortion quest
Wait what? Which quest is this?

Just finished the demo and bought the game. Without spoilers, any noobtraps to avoid? I plan to make an unga-bunga 2H build.

>>3792330
>Pay attention to what leveling an attributes actually does (like 1% damage for each strength point is kind of doodoo)
>Talk to everyone
>Explore thoroughly. You do have to work terrain obstacle courses to find unique equipment on rare occasion. Some posters may trigger quests
>You can store shit in your stash and leave it there to sell later since you have a couple ways to level your sell prices.

>>3792330
No need to get it immediately but remember to eventually get the "second chance" skill or whatever the name is in stealth skill tree. Other than giving you free revive, it'll also revive you from fall damage so you can just jump off cliffs to reach annoying places below you. Very useful especially in the last map.

>>3792330
don't level strength past the minimum point of being able to wield the weapon you want.
There.
8 STR is all you need for a quick 2 hand build.

>>3792330
>any noobtraps to avoid
2h build

>alchemist guild questline just... ends
>children of morrigan questline just... ends
>both don't even have a dungeon, just ends with a lame bossfight
Okay I'm starting to understand now why people say act 3 is bad

>>3792705
its not act 3, its the entire game

>>3792709
Eh, I really enjoyed act 1 and I thought act 2 is okay. Some quests are interesting and had some fun choices to do.

>>3792709
Anticlimax: The Game

Does ANYONE have the WHOLE soundtrack? So many bangers and the OST they released doesn't even cover a fraction of all the songs.

>>3785219
Why do reactionaries ever pretend to be anything but drones. Everyone knows about Peter Thiel already

is it worth playing yet or should I still wait for further updates? I'm not really desperate to play it yet, can as well wait more

>>3797718
Act 1 has been fine since release, not sure about act 2/3.

>>3797718
I still maintain it's better than oblivion but having gotten to the later part of act 2 I can say it needs more baking time. I heard they want to give Arthur more dialogue.

Also pro-tip: don't corpse explode your bounty targets since you need their head, lol.

>>3797718
To me only act 3 is just outright annoying, mostly navigating the mountain is just a massive pain in the ass. Might be just me but not having a central hub city is also pretty annoying.
act 2 does have weird bugs and reduced quality but I still enjoy it around the same level as act 1. It took some time to pick up the pace though, the early quests of act 2 were the worst part of it.

I give the devs credit for still patching the game long after everyone stopped playing it

This game should have gotten a physical release, but since it didn’t I ain’t buying it or supporting it.

>>3799596
No one will ever be impressed by your plastic hoard.

>>3766847 (OP)
The devteam was made out of:
- A genuinely talented guy writing quest.
- A really good setpiece and architecture artist.
- Combat fundamentals designer who actually knows what he's doing.
- A pile of talking vegetables doing ctrl+c ctrl+v on Skyrim for everything else.

And then they all made 75% of a game and gave up.

Lots of potential but talentless hacks and jank ruin it.

t. completed the game

>>3798368
>act 2 does have weird bugs and reduced quality
The audio in act 2 was fucking killing me.
>track looping is fucking horrible
>the ambient tracks are not ambient, they are loud and annoying
>the shift from "ambient" to combat music is extremely jank: the ambience gets interrupted by "bwooo" of detection filling up, returns to the beginning of the ambience track, then back to "bwoo", repeat 4 to 5 times, and then shifts to the combat track
>all acts have this issue but it's very lowkey in act 1 because it has actual ambience for ambient
>the combat track of folk rap

Mods tools dropped today apparently, I wonder if anyone will bother?

>>3804879
I hope so, but I doubt it will take off. Would be really cool if a decent mod scene emerged for this game.

>>3804879
Probably just get armour sets imported from other games.

I haven't played in some time and i was actually shocked to see they actually took player feedback and added a fuckton more of campfire talks with Arthur and attempted to add context to some things like his Fore-Dweller origin and how the four-armed mommy made him feel comfy when he saw her. Still quite fatigued with the game after 4 playthroughs but their dedication to honing it is admirable.

>>3800806
Ok yeah, now I remember the battle music gets weird in act 2, especially around the farm areas where those little guys can start a battle with you out of nowhere and the bgms gets confused sometimes and play on top of each other

>>3805659
The game wasn't ready for a full release.

>>3800803
This sucks when knowing that there are no decent RPGs coming out in the past decades and there's no sign of hope on the horizon

Just started playing this jank a couple days ago, is the audio balance for voice lines just all over the place for everyone? I swear one line is barely audible and the next one blows my ears drums out of my skull, from the same conversation.

Still barely in Act 1, combat feels responsive at least once I figured out how parrys work so I don't instantly eat shit in melee.

>>3805914
It's still a fun game and I enjoyed it, even if act 3 was empty. Better then half the shit out there right now.

>>3788559
>to seize power? he has zero regard for truth and fairness and only wants to grab power.
Back during earlier early access versions, there was another option where you killed One-Eye and maintained status quo. Brendad was revealed to be even bigger piece of shit then (pic rel).
To be fair though, Galahad was an actual maniac back then, the kind that made the rumors true. The Galahad we have now is extremely tame compared to what he was like before.