Which modern cRPG best carries the legacy of Baldur's Gate II?

that is not a compliment btw

>>3767180
wrong thread??

>>3767178 (OP)
BG3 or Kingmaker

>>3767178 (OP)
Definitely not BG3, since that one is actually good.

>>3767178 (OP)
PoE/Deadfire is the closest, for the most part.
WotR mostly just gets a few general strokes close, like you're a godlike being.
BG3 is so far removed from what BG2 was even calling it Baldur's Gate is like a really bad joke. It got pretty much everything wrong from tone, style of writing, gameplay, characters, antagonist, you name it it got it wrong.

>>3767190
BG3 is carrying DA:O's legacy. Not BG2's. It's a lot more like DA:O than BG2. And Pf:K, in spite of being RTwP, has very little in common with BG2. It has very little in common with BG1 as well. That being said, BG2 is a themepark slop game whose legacy should be left in the dustbin.

I'd rather have a game more like BG1 than BG2.The only rpg that really plays out like BG1 is Serpent in the Staglands. Underrail in the way it allows for open exploration is also a lot more like BG1 than any game in OP. And then we have a mix of some NWN modules being much closer to what BG1 and BG2 do than any game in the OP.

>>3767233
>I'd rather have a game more like BG1 than BG2

literally part of the same game and BG2 improved on so many things you have to be deluded contrarian to bash on it while praising BG1.

>>3767233
You make the mistake a lot of people make when they just glance at the BG1 map. They think it's very freeflowing with lots of areas to explore.
In reality, they just broke up areas which would be a single area in other games while also locking out many areas until you unlock them from a very specific path.
Many of these filler areas are also mostly empty.

>>3767241
there is maybe like 3 areas on the map that are filler out of... what is that like 50?

>>3767240
>BG2 improved on so many things
It improved nothing of value.

>>3767244

BG2 is a logical evolution of BG1, You cant make an epic high level adventure with another jackoff simulator in empty forest around Beregost and companions without any backstory.

>>3767241
>they just broke up areas which would be a single area in other games
Need a source for this.
> while also locking out many areas until you unlock them from a very specific path.
Very specific as in you just walk to one of the edges to see what is beyond in that direction. "specific path" though amirite? The only places that are locked off is cloakwood and the city. Otherwise, everything else is open season. You have a lot of freedom to do things in whatever order. There are really only a few companions that care about the order you do things and you can pretty much ignore those and often complete their quests extremely quickly.

Whereas BG2 is a small handful of areas where you have to get the quest from a specific npc in order to unlock outside of Amn. The only reason any of those areas in BG2 exist is for the quest you get to unlock them. And then the other half of the areas are locked behind the main quest.

>>3767243
Most of them are filler or padded. Most areas have maybe 1 main event or building, if even that. Then is just littered with small samey encounters, with sometimes a minor NPC asking you to kill said monsters in the same area for a small reward.

>>3767249
>devolution
FTFY
>You cant make an epic high level adventure with another jackoff simulator in empty forest around Beregost
You can. And in practice, BG2 devolves into just a much more limited version of this.
>epic high level
Epic means long extended poem and yes BG2 is a long game. High level depends on when you get to high level. You don't get HLA until ToB. BG2 is a mid-to-high level adventure and hence it would be appropriate for the game to be much more open than it is in BG2.

The reality is that Bioware wanted to make cutscene story games like they ended up doing Kotor and onwards instead of even attempting to approximate the true crpg experience such as that you would find in Fallout 1+2 and Arcanum.
>companions without any backstory.
The companions in BG1 have a backstory. They just aren't as intrusive with it.

>>3767251
>dark circle of mages performing a ritual where you learn one of your companions is a member of them
how is that small samey encouters? nigger small samey encounters are POE and obsidishit not beamdog

>>3767250
>Need a source for this.
Try playing the game.
Cloakwood is a perfect example, which consists of 4 relatively empty filler areas and the mines are unlocked in 1 of those areas. Beregost separated the temple and high hedge into entirely separate areas which are otherwise mostly empty apart from the main buildings, yet are separated from Beregost. List goes on.

Most of the areas are like described at >>3767251 , sometimes even less. So they are even less dense than areas in say BG2. They basically opted to make individual areas more meaningful and content rich, instead of padding it out.

>Very specific as in you just walk to one of the edges to see what is beyond in that direction
No, have you even played the game or didn't you pay attention? There are very specific lines of access until you unlock the areas.
This is something you should've realized not even 30min into the game trying to go north while they railroad you to Friendly Arms Inn.

I'm in no mood to explain to someone how a 26 year old game works on a board about RPGs where the people here should know this shit, especially if they're defending them. Christ.

>>3767252
Tbh I consider ToB as a part of BG2 its an official expansion made by bioware. Fallout, Arcanum you dont spend half of the game on empty maps without any direction like in BG1 lmao, also Virgil has more backstory than all BG1 companions combined.

>>3767254
Anon, I literally chose a more generous one to prove a point and you're really stretching that minor encounter hard.
If i was a disingengous close minded person like you I would've picked this area instead.

At least try to be less biased and more rational for once.

>>3767261
you found one of 54 mapped outdoors areas in the game that has little content

>>3767263
>i am illiterate
Holy fuck, learn basic reading comprehension you dumb fuck. Why the fuck did I even bother replying to you as if you were a human being. Fucking christ this board, I'm done with this thread.

>>3767264
My reading comprehension is perfectly fine. You attempted to make a point about how BG1 had tons of empty and filler areas. I countered by reminding you that 52/54 areas are filled with kino.

Now you are crying and raging. Where does my reading comprehension enter the picture?

>>3767258
throne feels nothing like bg2

>>3767249
>You cant make an epic high level adventure with another jackoff simulator in empty forest around Beregost and companions without any backstory.
well maybe you shouldn't

>>3767257
>Most of the areas are like described at >>3767251 , sometimes even less
as Exploration God intended

>>3767275
>all rpg should be low level directionless slop of fighting wolves and bears
BG2 is the one which had bigger cultural impact for a reason.

>>3767281
>m-must.. consume.. p-popular.. p-prODUCT!!!!!!11
ok honey

>>3767282
>writes like unhinged trooncord retard
should have ignored you long ago

>>3767178 (OP)
None. Modern fantasy is just shit.

(Tyranny had potential at least.)

>>3767261
>no, you see, I actually chose a bad example on purpose because trying to prove your point in an argument is irrational.

>>3767240
I like the way BG1 is structured.
There's a couple tutorial encounters in Candlekeep (which you can skip entirely if you're okay with losing a small amount of XP), a cutscene with Gorion and Sarevok, and then you're free to go literally anywhere except Cloakwood and Baldur's Gate City. You're encouraged to go to Nashkel, but it's your choice.
In Baldur's Gate 2, you have to go through the entirety of Irenicus' sprawling supervillain lair before you can do anything. The game opens up a lot once you get out and listen to the Thieves Guild rep's speech, and it's quite tolerable if you install a mod to skip it, but there's still something lost from the complete removal of wilderness exploration. Even after the point where you're free to explore, you're still just exploring the city, and taking quests to go visit one-off wilderness areas.
All the "spiritual successors" are even worse about this.

>>3767180
fpbp

>>3767287
ok sweetie :3

>>3767281
>cultural impact
Like what?

>>3767369
being the most influential classic fantasy cRPG of its time which spawned multiple copy cats for next few decades. Its a 25 year old game which had pretty much all figure out, even now devs struggle to add anything new to the formula. You can play something like PoE, pathfinder and outside of improved modern graphics, quality of life, UI they are basically the same games.

>>3767398
This doesn't seem like much of a cultural impact, more an example of nostalgic stagnation from children imprinting, I take it you really mean it spawned a handful of games within a narrow subgenre.

>>3767413
Give examples what you consider cultural impact then.

>>3767423
Probably something like Oblivion or Skyrim, where it created memes and normalfags know it.

>>3767470
>bethesda drone talks about nostalgic stagnation
BG spawned books and art, Minsc tatooed face was recognized by people who never played the game.

>>3767470
>games have cultural impact if they result in memes
Neither Oblivion or Skyrim had actual industry impact. Pretty much no games like them were made. Even Bethesda has problems following up with their own style of games, just look at Starfield.

On the other hand GTA3 had actual industry impact. Changing what and how the industry makes games to this day.

Baldur's Gate 2 had such impact it had a big budget sequel made pretty much 25 years after release on top of how strongly it influenced western RPGs and CRPGs in particular.
Anyone that thinks BG2 didn't have industry impact is flat out ignorant and clueless.

>>3767565
I don't like Bethesda games. Many many more people know Fus do Rah or whatever it was and arrows in knees. I'm sure there are novelizations and countless artworks and mods and references. The Dragonborn helmet with those retarded horns is immediately recognizable by many people who have never played the games.

See, you're the one caring about cultural impact, as if it matters. I'm not, so I can't be uncomfortable, as you are, when a particular game I like or don't like is glorified and influential or diminished in its relevance. The fact is that BG clones aren't numerous and not a particularly popular type of RPG in the grand scheme of things.

>>3767311
No you retarded subhuman ape.
I initially chose a more generous example at >>3767251 because unlike you I care about truth, so for that reason you need to make fair and more accurate examination. Not pick the best or worst example of something, because that does the exact opposite and proves how biased you are.
If your arguments don't hold up over a more common and fair example, then it holds no water.

I illustrated this at >>3767261 where I said if I wanted to be a retarded biased monkey like you that wants to cling to confirmation bias, I would've picked some of the more empty areas.
I showed you and that other tard that I did in fact choose a fair and accurate representation initially for what most areas are like.

Holy fuck, why are there so many inhumanely retarded people like you on this board? I swear, you'd see more intelligence working as a tard wrangler than on this board.

>>3767566
>industry impact
The phrase used was cultural impact. But, let's digress.
There are tons more action RPGs than there are RTwP games. Tons. Even the tie-in latest tie-in, BG3, is turn-based and follows KotOR style dialogues. The fact is that none of the IE games are very relevant and there are only a handful of games taking inspiration from them rather than Bioware's later console games.

>>3767398
>You can play something like PoE, pathfinder and outside of
>improved modern graphics
>quality of life
>UI
>engaging progression systems
>better pacing
>better level design
>better music and audio design
>actually engaging to play martial classes
they are basically the same games.

>>3767572
>There are tons more action RPGs
Which were not influenced by Oblivion or Skyrim. Action was pushed because it was more accessible. In fact the "action" is by far the worst part of any Elder Scrolls games because they have dogshit combat and magic.

>The fact is that none of the IE games are very relevant
Please, say more retarded ignorant shit. I'm sure your master plan of being praised as a non-retard will work out fine.
You have one of the first highly successful Kickstarters be a sequel to Planescape Torment, you have multiple games directly referencing Planescape Torment as a source of inspiration, one of them ending up becoming quite popular itself like Disco Elysium.
You had Bioware and other companies making spiritual successors to BG2 with Dragon Age Origins or even modern games taking very obvious direct inspiration from it with the Pathfinder games.
One of the biggest RPGs in recent memory was a numbered sequel to Baldur's Gate, BG3. Meanwhile shit like Starfield was a whimper people have forgotten about.

Learn to shut your retarded mouth. No one wants to read your fucking retarded drivel and even trying to talk sense into you like I am is a futile effort, as you will show with your next even more retarded reply.

>>3767574
>>better pacing
Not even the most delusional Pathfinder fags believe this with the contant debuffs, pre buffing, resting and shit.

>>3767569
Why is popularity a relevant? (funny how you already ditched Oblivion) Why do you compare 2000 PC explosive niche hard to get into genre to a console slop released almost decade later at peak of franchise popularity and internet social media spread? Its like looking at BG3 popularity and Skyrim now.

>>3767579
>Which were not influenced by Oblivion or Skyrim
Did I say they were? Are you this dense? The point with Bethshit was cultural impact. Try to keep up here, kiddo.
>You have one of the first highly successful Kickstarters be a sequel to Planescape Torment, you have multiple games directly referencing Planescape Torment as a source of inspiration, one of them ending up becoming quite popular itself like Disco Elysium.
2 games on the back of Avellone's writing and TSR's setting, not the engine.
>You had Bioware and other companies making spiritual successors to BG2 with Dragon Age Origins or even modern games taking very obvious direct inspiration from it with the Pathfinder games.
3 series, all which shifted away from RTwP.
>One of the biggest RPGs in recent memory was a numbered sequel to Baldur's Gate, BG3
Bears little resemblance to BG, unless you mean every topdown game is BG1. It's just cashing in on the nostalgia, same with Fallout 3 where not many players of it really knew much about Fallout. Fallout 1 seems to be even more influential, really, there's an awful lot of post-apoc games in the industry.

You are not a bright person and you redundantly repeat the same insults like an ape. Laughable Biotard.

>>3767586
Helps to read the posts you reply to, brother. That's my point.
>See, you're the one caring about cultural impact, as if it matters. I'm not, so I can't be uncomfortable, as you are, when a particular game I like or don't like is glorified and influential or diminished in its relevance.

Didn't I own you guys in another thread about this already to the point you stopped replying? Back for more humiliation?

>>3767590
>own you guys
Anyone that even thinks that obviously is a deranged biased moron that equates people stopping to reply to his dense ass because they're wasting time equals winning a discussion.

>>3767587
>Did I say they were?
You framed it that way. If it wasn't then it was entirely pointless, which is even more stupid. So if you admit you were just stupid, hey I won't stop you.

>2 games on the back of Avellone's writing and TSR's setting, not the engine
>3 series, all which shifted away from RTwP
>Bears little resemblance to BG
Ah, you sure love your mental gymnastics. Fact is it disproved your "The fact is that none of the IE games are very relevant" and you're too emotionally fragile and close-minded to admit it, so we can move on from that since you admitting to being a mentally immature manchild with absolutely no arguments.

>Biotard
Naturally you end your post to openly admit to being a biased fanboy and an unthinking parroting idiot by fling out baseless "insults". Bravo. Good show.

Please, if you want someone of even passable intelligence to take you seriously, try and act more like a rational adult. Even if it is very difficult for you. Or don't and reply with more shitposting and mental gymnastics because you're too afraid to be wrong about anything. Doesn't matter to me when you already conceded I was right, so I don't have to waste more time on you.

>>3767589
I never cared about cultural impact part but you said it was nostalgic stagnation in previous post you senile BETHESDA drone. Which is a joke on itself and I would consider suicide if i were you.

>>3767594
I accept your concession.
>>3767597
Notice how you didn't respond to anything directly and just threw insults? None of those games are "very" relevant to the industry. It's just a handful of niche titles for RPG nerds. Influence and relevancy are just not important.
>>3767598
This is just sad, you can barely follow English.

>>3767590
are you the ESL retard who doesn't understand that something can be considered of good [great even] objective quality and be overrated at the same time?
>publicly shitting your pants
>kek, now they have to smell my poo
>totally owned them

>>3767599
>discord meme speak
explain to me how its not you bringing the ad populum argument in post >>3767569

>>3767570
I'm intentionally not engaging with your arguments, because I care about the TRUTH, and I want to make this discussion to be FAIR. I could totally demolish your entire worldview with just a few carefully chosen words, but that would be unsporting.

>>3767599
>Notice how you didn't respond to anything directly
Anon, your lack of self awareness is impressive, so out of pity I will give you a final reply to help your mental recovery.

You said
>The fact is that none of the IE games are very relevant
And was directly disproven at >>3767579 with several and very direct examples disproving that statement. That they had strong influence to this day, not just in new games being created but actual sequels.

You responded with deflections which did not disprove anything or re-affirm your initial point. For example
>2 games on the back of Avellone's writing and TSR's setting, not the engine
Is you not only moving goalposts into it supposedly being directly about the core engine itself, not the games, design or anything else that influenced future games and devs.
Why did you do this? Of course because you're close-midned, don't want to admit to being wrong, so you shifted it to being specifically about the engine.
Now using your own arguments, then the Creation Engine (Elder Scrolls) had absolutely zero cultural or industry impact. Which then torpedos your initial point.
This is the result of you not being rational and even being aware of what you're saying.

You then continued with even more hilariously pathetic logical fallacies like
>Bears little resemblance to BG
Which is irrelevant even if we for arguments sake pretend is true. A big budget sequel to BG2 would not have been made if the game was, as you claim, irrelevant in terms of impact.

But hey, you don't care about this because you're not open-minded or intelligent. Anyone afraid of being wrong has no place in a discussion, i.e. you. So run along and look for a circlejerk, that's more your speed.

>>3767609
No need to reply with a comment where you admit I was right and you wrong. That was already a given considering you're a retard.

>>3767603
No.
>>3767608
No idea what you mean by Discord meme speak.
>See, you're the one caring about cultural impact, as if it matters. I'm not,
See that?
>>3767614
You're the one who moved the goalposts from cultural impact to industry impact.
I said Bethshit had more of a cultural impact than BG, never said anything about Bethshit influencing design. And now you want to complain about me talking about actual game mechanics?
You're incredibly bad at both reading and arguing.

Pathfinder. PoE and Tyranny are more Black Isls games, not Bioware. BG3 carries the legacy of Divinity Original Sin.

>>3767677
>Pathfinder. PoE and Tyranny are more Black Isls games
That's splitting hairs, but those games were also specifically aimed at milking older BG fans and getting their disposable income. Pathfinder is probably the only one that found a bit of a broader audience, due to it being the only PF CRPG available. It's not that Bioware and BG had no influence, it's that the later Bioware console games far overshadowed it until Kickstarter grifting became a thing. But almost every grifter abandoned that style as soon as they could.

I'm curious to see how the turn based mode for PoE1 turns out.

>>3767696
It will be bad, because like Deadfire the encounter were not designed with it in mind.

>>3767702
Very likely, yes. I guess I'm hoping they learnt some lessons from Deadfire (like how the Dex stat became almost useless).

Wrpgs died with troika and black isles.

>>3767680
>That's splitting hairs,
It's not, Black Isle and Bioware were very different even though Black Isle published Bioware's games and used their engine to make games of their own. PoE was after Infinity Engine fans in general, not Bioware. Someone who was there at the time said that they weren't thinking about or discussing Baldur's Gate at all.

>>3767178 (OP)
BG3 isn't even a CRPG.

>>3767755
>some Chrisy McChris dude says something about what happened some time ago
>could be just regular unreliable witness thing
>even then uses wording "often no mention"
some retard on rpgcodex 7 years later
>they weren't thinking about or discussing Baldur's Gate at all.
>like
>at all

>>3767680
>But almost every grifter abandoned that style as soon as they could.
I guess they learned that a bunch of boomers yearning to relive their childhood doesn't mean a game aimed at them will sell.

All they were ever going to be was cheap derivatives of that one game that was great decades ago.

>>3767818
>that was great decades ago
Still the best RPG there is.
Best open world, best side quests, best magic system and spells in any RPG.
The companions are quite well done and not too special or cringe.
Every CRPG tries to top BG2 but fails overall. BG3 is more reactive, but worse in every other aspect. WOTR is a joke besides the combat. POE1 is shallow.

>>3767180
fpbp

Baldurs Gate 2 is shit

>>3767755
Reminder a different ex-Obsidian member later on wrote that Avellone was a massive, bitchy primadonna, who was sacked because his alcoholism got so bad he would routinely not show up at work, not participate in meetings, and then throw massive fits when he found out something was decided he didn't like.

>>3767583
As opposed to "cast Insect Swarm or Creeping Doom and win effortlessly?"

>>3767824
>Every CRPG tries to top BG2 but fails overall
No game will mog the classics/sacred cows of gaming, it's pointless to try or to expect. Trying to impress old fans? Impossible.
It's best to try and attract new audiences.

In fact Larian managed to do that

>>3767852
nta but better strong spells than 10 mandatory buffing spells who each gives +1 to saving throws.

>>3767824
>Every CRPG tries to top BG2
No they don't.

>>3767854
>Trying to impress old fans? Impossible.
Wrong, suicidal. Unless you are seeking a niche and keeping yourself small.
There's only ever going to be less and less of them around.

>>3767178 (OP)
>cRPG
kys boomer wanna-be

>>3767885
>t. 40-something

>>3767885
RPG = all RPGs including PnP
cRPG = computer rpg
you = faggot

>>3767901
>create post on video game board
>hmmm better specify I mean video games, not tabletop stuff for some reason lol
>I’ll just drop this ancient term that only tryhards use to show how cool I am

>>3767901
ACTUALLY cRPG was used by Black Isle/Interplay fanboys to denote a "classic" RPG, basically the isometrics, rather than CRPG which was computer RPG.

>>3767910
cRPG is a common term you buttblasted retard. Now kindly fuck off back to your basement.

>>3767912
never heard of that distinction, would explain the asshurt autist, dont really care either way

>>3767824
you dropped your glasses mam

>>3767913
>cRPG is a common term you buttblasted retard.
A common term among try-hard losers that have nostalgia for a time they didn't experience for sure.

>>3767921
a CRPG and ARPG is a common distinction used to this day, i dont want diablo and souls fags to pollute the discussion with their action slop.

>>3767178 (OP)
None of those listed do that. The last RPG to do so was the original Dragon Age and even that wasn't quite on the same level.

>>3767852
>win effortlessly
But that's the entire point of pre-buffing in Pathfinder. It's the age old optimizing-the-fun-out-of-a-game. Pre buffing means you don't have to care about tactics or anything like that and focus on brainless right clicking.

>>3767670
Your idea of cultural impact being memes and your obsession with something so pointless is moronic. Especially when it entirely hinges on X does not have any cultural impact because muh Skyrim arrow to the knee memes.

>>3768165
>optimizing-the-fun-out-of-a-game
optimizing is fun. that's why you prebuff and use tactics and abilities to complete destroy the enemy in one or two rounds of turn-based.

>>3768168
Culture is a collection of memes, anon.
What's your idea of "cultural impact"?

>>3768170
>optimizing is fun
But not when it results in you playing in a way that isn't fun, which is usually the case. If there was a spell that instantly killed all enemies and was available in every encounter that's what people would use 99% of the time even if it meant that combat to them became very boring.

>>3768171
>culture = memes

Nice to know zoomers are well educated.

>>3768189
>He doesn't know what a meme is.
Dawkins is unknown now?

>>3768194
You literally do not know what culture is. Memes are part of culture, but are not culture. Do not even try to argue this, because that's you doubling down on your ignorance and ironically how uncultured you are. Period.

>>3768199
>Memes are part of culture
Then memes have cultural impact.
This is just sad.

>>3768235
Some can have, a vast majority don't. Skyrim or Oblivion did not change any culture in any relevant way.
But memes are still not culture, just like how a screw is not a car, but a tiny part of it. Despite you trying to deflect your ignorance.
This is a really sad and pathetic hill you've chosen to die on. All because you can never admit to being wrong. Oh well, that's your problem.

>>3768239
You do realize this whole tangent was me making fun of a post saying that CRPGs had cultural impact, right? Are you high or have you just lost the thread at this point?

Here let me explain it for the truly retarded amongst us:

Guy A says BG2 had cultural impact
I said Bethshit had more cultural impact
I also said cultural impact is not important
Some retard thinks impact means paradigm shift for some reason
Impact actually means any effect at all, throwing a feather at a pond causes an impact. My point was that Bethshit's impact on "culture" is a bigger feather. This doesn't say anything at all about the quality of the games or that one is better than another. Impact or influence is meaningless to the player involved in a niche genre.

>>3768251
>claims it was all a joke
>despite him clearly getting deeply invested and serious over several days where he did nothing but shitpost
>then presents his recontextualized headcanon to convince himself that despite it all being le epik prank, he was totally right, calling everyone but him retarded

For your sake I hope this post was a joke and you're not this deranged. Regardless, you should most definately see a shrink.

>>3768252
This is literally what happened, it's in the thread for anyone to read. The fact is that you are functionally illiterate, it happened in the other thread as well, you simply can't follow along.

>>3767901
how do you respond to this without sounding mad?

>>3768251
I didn't read whatever previous threads you're whining about but based on your summary it seems you're the faggot for trying to shift the context of discussion from BG2 to some Bethshit. Whether or not Fallout 3 had more cultural impact is irrelevant. I'm sure other games had cultural impact since then too.

>>3767180
/thread

>>3768297
I used Bethshit because it's a popular series that aren't good RPG to show that "influence" and "relevancy" and "cultural impact" are pointless when the world is comprised of tards like you. In the last thread I used Dark Sun to illustrate the point, by pointing out it influenced FO1 and BG1.

>>3768327
It sounds like you're confused, the thread is about the legacy of BG2

>>3768374
Which is what my posts relate to, dear midwit.

>>3768677
Well I'm certainly not going to scroll back to learn how your whining relates to the thread topic. You should more effectively communicate it.

>>3768684
I can tell that you're lazy and unwilling to read through context, no need to inform. :)
Have you tried not posting replies?

>>3768687
But its fun to keep you going, it helps you feel smart

>>3768737
I do enjoy bickering, no lie. But intelligence is relative and being smarter than you isn't saying much, so you don't have worry about me getting a big head.

>>3768746
But you're enjoying yourself too, as you claim, and you're continuing to respond as well, which means I'm right and you're wrong, doesn't it?

>>3768759
I enjoy irony, yes.

>>3768764
The real release to have cultural impact was Diablo 2, because it derailed the course of Interplay, putting them on the back foot as they chased the lowest common denominator.

I assume (because I'm still not going to read back into your far previous posts) that you're trying to say that it doesn't matter because the lowest-common denominator wins out in the end, assuming a successful product comes out for it.

I'm saying that's not what the thread is about or should care about, because OP, if he's even still participating in here, is interested in games that carry on the same legacy of Baldur's Gate 2.

>>3768771
I'd say Ultima Underworld as far as impacting vidya as a whole. OP is interested in starting a slapfight between various BG-clone fanboys, so, I'll talk about what I want to.

>>3768800
Oh I have no doubt this thread and many like it have been posted here hundreds if not thousands of times by now.

Its just the state of it isn't it? There's no way to get more of the old games we enjoyed, we're too niche of an audience to be catered to except by the occasional autist indie dev who doesn't really fully 'get it' since he's not a small studio. So instead these threads get posted, on and on, affecting no real change because no studio is going to listen and think to spend all their resources on making some autistic RTwP or Turn-Based epic. Best they can do is some Owlcat shit written by idiot slavs.

>>3767917
the truth is that computer rpgs have always sucked.

>>3768254
No it did not happen, your mind simply did enough mental gymnastics to where you can shelter your fragile mind from the terror of being wrong about anything. You do not care about reality or discussion. All you care about is not being wrong to the point of delusion.
You don't even realize you outed yourself as being the original poster, while pretending to be someone else. So you're also disingenuous, even to yourself. That is how fragile and immature your mind is.
To top it all off, the hill you want to die on is the pettiest most irrelevant thing ever and you absolutely do not even have a point. Utterly hilarious.

ChatGPT exists to help thirdies correct their syntax and grammar.

>>3769149
Only retards use AI and even bigger retards care about grammar on fucking 4chan.

>>3769131
Show receipts. From where I'm standing, you can barely use English to understand or convey anything.

>>3769183
>Never used google search
AI has been around longer than you think

>>3769183
>>3769197
>AI
*LLM

>>3767923
>arpg
Not a rpg. It's a hack n slash

>>3769308
awshitherewegoagain.jpg

Hack and slash is a type of RPG campaign. :D

>>3767257
An extremely low IQ take. No arguments. Just you complaining about a game designed almost a decade before you were born not having quest markers around every corner.

How do I know you're born after 2000? You use the term "content" as if it means anything.

And then you pretend that the game is "padded out" because it doesn't resemble the nu-rpg design philosophy revolving around spamming quests everywhere. You are allowed in BG1 to get lost while looking for what you're going after after finding enemies to kill or something else to do rather than having everything shoved artificially into 5-6 maps.
>meaningful
Nigger. This is a computer game. It exists to be played. But I get it. You just don't like computer rpgs and want movie games with stats instead.

>>3769197
>>google search
Lets not ignore the chess-bots in the 80-90's that could beat grandmasters. Hell, you can accurately claim that AI was beginning developed as early as the 1960's.

>>3769430
>hurrrr no arguments

the dude literally posted factual images while you did nothing but complain and present no arguments, kek

>>3769197
Except a database is not AI. The biggest flaw of said database is that it cannot think so it needs input from humans.

>>3769190
Dude, you literally ran around in circles because you don't want to admit that BG2 had a big influence on the CRPG and RPG landscape. Yes, even more so than your beloved Skyrim. You keep plugging your ears and pulling out any strawman and fallacy you can to avoid it.
You backpedaled when saying stuff that got proven wrong, like how no IE game inspired or impacted anything.
You even outright denied examples where the developers themselves stated it was a spiritual successor, direct source of inspiration or even a numbered sequel.
Almost everything you did in this entire thread was plug your ears and deny facts, while pretending you didn't say a single thing wrong.
Discussion is to challenge your ideas, not stick your head in the sand. The day you learn this is the day you grow up.

>>3769514
The 4chan special.

>>3769519
None of this happened. I didn't say any of this.
You didn't quote a single word I wrote.
All you do is make shit up based on your inability to comprehend what people are saying while you screech "retard". That's your tactic, that's all you have.