best fallout new vegas major faction in ur opinion???

House by default. The NCR is ran by corrupt idiots and the Legion is ran by psychopaths.

>>3770920 (OP)
NCR is the only one with enough content

>>3770926
The more NCR content you play the more you'll grow to hate them.

the brotherhood of steel because power armors are the coolest thing about fagout

>>3770920 (OP)
>back House
>kill the Crimson Caravan and Van Graffs
>kill the Powder Gangers
>incite the Kings against the NCR
>complete the deal with the White Gloves and Heck, drastically lowering the price of beef
>save the President
>watch as the President gets thrown out of office, the NCR dollar continues to crash, the bottle cap goes up in value, and NCR citizens become economically dependent on House’s Vegas for all necessities and entertainment

The House Always Wins

>>3770920 (OP)
>Yes Man faction
>Kill every NPC you come across
>GOAT ending

>>3770920 (OP)
TRUE TO CAESAR

>>3771090
Ruling New Vegas seems like too much work. I'd rather let House do it while I stay in the penthouse and fuck Sarah Weintraub.

>>3771192
I like to kill Mr House with a golf club

>>3770920 (OP)
Yes Man is fun because you get to give minor factions dominance that no other run allows you to do. You can have the Brotherhood completely take over Helios One and monitor trade of energy weapons and have the Kings run Freeside.

>>3770920 (OP)
Yes Man, cause I like to imagine bringing the different faction I've become Idolized with together, working through their differences to find common ground, and creating a confederated union of Mojave communities. I wouldn't want to rule stuff - live well, sure, but unifying the Mojave so that life isn't horrible would be sick

>>3770920 (OP)
The thing is picking anything other than the NCR locks you out of shitload of quests and settelments so I just go with them most of the times

I like picking NCR's side because you're playing an uphill battle to bring them back up on their feet. Then again, as other have pointed out, the amount of quests involving NCR is what probably draws me to them; if you could join the Legion earlier or in a way other than "betray Goodsprings, be an evil dick and come do the MedBVLL LARP with us" I'd probably go for them.
It's amazing how jam-packed NV is with content, yet you want more because the factions and overall setting allow it. I feel I'd join the Brotherhood of Steel if you could get more out of them for the ending besides choosing Yes Man.

>>3771066
Killing the caravan is a bad idea. You gather the evidence and fuck'em with it so the strip doesn't get screwed instead.

Yes man > house > legion > ncr

>>3772053
>legion
>better than anything
bro if you east the west how can you west the east

No gods, no masters. I would rather see what people of New Vegas would create on their own . You can call me a retard, but after so many hours putted in this game, i just can't care less about red retards VS brown retards and that old faggot House in his tin can.

>>3772021
If you gather the evidence then the NCR entrenches an economic foothold in the Mojave. It gives them bargaining power by monopolizing the caravan industry rather than depriving them of resources. It’s not an option that benefits an independent Vegas since you’re allowing foreign companies to own and control the territory’s caravan operations. By killing their heads you also send the entire companies into shock which further weakens the NCR’s ability to organize.

I do believe House is as visionary as he thinks he is and could do great things, but humanity (at least the denizens of the Mojave) would likely end up as collateral. At least, if he had to choose between killing and enslaving or valuing human life, he'd pick the former if the latter was too involved and laborious. I wish there were a path where you could disconnect him from the network, but not kill him - maybe put him back to sleep until you can figure out what to do with him.

I wish there was a Brotherhood ending, too. Imagine you bring Yes Man to them and give control of the Securitron Army to them, take over HELIOS One, Black Mountain, Nellis, the Substation, the Dam? Would bring about some interesting conflicts and there's some fascinating ways the whole thing could turn out.

>>3770920 (OP)
reddit man
mr. reddit
new reddit republic
reddit's legion

>>3770920 (OP)
legion are one of the only sideable factions I've ever seen in a game that genuinely makes me recoil in disgust whenever I see anyone that likes them.

>>3773569
The Legion is the only faction that does anything about the rampant drug problem and gang warfare in the Mojave. The Powder Gangers were caused directly by NCR incompetence in having prison laborers work railroads in territory that has yet to be fully occupied. The appeal of the Legion is that they provide the highest social unity out of all the available factions. Long term stability at all costs. It’s hard to understand their appeal unless you’ve lived in destitute socially chaotic areas like latin america or a ghetto, where the prospect of introducing intensely enforced legality with harsh, direct consequences is much more attractive given the lack of stability in regions like that.

>>3773454
In practice House leaves the Boomers alone regardless if they have the bomber and he only ever takes over Primm as a punishment for siding with NCR (a foreign government so actual treason) but otherwise lets the town govern itself on other endings regardless of sheriff pick. When he has the option to be tyrannical he actively choses not to unless he’s punishing literal treason.

>>3770920 (OP)
independent because I find it more fun to fight them all.

>>3773600
>IQ59 Ghetto thugs and hoodlum refuse can only think of ghetto but with deranged napoleon-hitler as absolute ruler when they are asked to imagine a better place.

Fits.
The only thing the legion offers is exactly that kind of gang ridden shithole but everyone is in the same gang. Basically make the whole world a ghetto so you reach "stability". This obviously also means the moment that King-Tyrone with the loudest car speakers and the biggest weapons and dick somehow loses his iron grip the infighting will be beyond human comprehension.

>>3770920 (OP)
House, since he offers life extension technology.

>>3773725
>everyone acts like niggers
>stop acting like a nigger or we crucify you
>niggering stops
It’s really that simple. Caesar as a character is heavily inspired by Kurt from Apocalypse Now, which was originally adapted from Heart of Darkness, a book about an anglo playing god in the Congo by leading a bunch of African tribes to conquer other less developed African tribes. Caesar’s frame of reference is creating unity and stability for savages who have never experienced it before.

>>3773921
albeit terrible one
turning into immobile corpse is rather limiting, on par with project COBALT and nuka cola CEO's predicament
Institute managed to somehow prolong Kellog Frosties' lifespan for at least 50-60 years
Ghoulification was okay until Bethesda introduced that drug shit
Super Mutant FEV bathtub rinse makes your dick fall off (and might turn you into retard or schizo)

Thing about the NCR is that its fuckhuge and the mojave doesnt actually matter. If they lose this war, they'll be weakened in manpower, but they'll still have an established network of cities and safety back towards california. The mojave is basically just a "want" for them. The dam is useful and would be a great asset, but its not the end of the world for the NCR if they dont get it.
Legion on the other hand is definitely fucked if they lose, because they invested everything into this fight and Caesar will be dead soon from natural causes.
Brotherhood and House are the most dependent on player actions to succeed, and the results are wildly different if you dont intervene. Brotherhood will just hold up until they splinter or get killed by whoever controls Vegas, and House absolutely needs the courier to activate the securitron army.

>>3774069
>Mojave doesn’t matter
Have you forgotten the whole reason for the war? Hoover Dam? A hydroelectric dam providing both a renewable source of electricity and clean non-irradiated water? Sure, the NCR can still exist if they lose, but whoever controls the dam will become the most powerful regional power on the west coast.
>Legion Victory
No way NCR still survives
>House Victory
Debatable. Depends on if NCR can keep their citizens as their own citizens, else House will just monopolize NCR’s key industries regardless of future wars with each other.
>Yes Man
100% they’ll still exist unless you nuke them in Lonesome Road.

>>3774069
If Caesar dies then Lanius takes over, if Lanius dies then Vulpes takes over, and if Vulpes dies then Augustus takes over. The Legion has a clear cut line of succession, it just isn’t democratic. Compare that to the NCR, where after Tandy died they struggled with numerous incompetent leadership until Kimbal was elected. The NCR dollar is worth less than bottlecaps and the Legion coinage is minted from 98% gold. Average NCR citizens can’t even own farmland in their own state due to Brahmin Barrons owning nearly all of it and small independent caravans are blown up and bought out by a minority of the largest companies that also influence their elections. The whole idea that “muh Legion will fall apart after Caesar hurr hurr hurr” is so incredibly stupid when you look at the state of things in game.

>>3774073
>Have you forgotten the whole reason for the war?
>The mojave is basically just a "want" for them. The dam is useful and would be a great asset, but its not the end of the world for the NCR if they dont get it.
The NCR is/was successful with or without the dam.

>>3774078
The theory that the legion dies if caesar dies is because Lanius has zero charisma and only rules by fear, which is nice when you have an enemy, but not so great when you're the victor and peace is the only option. Vulpes is a better choice, but he is slimy and weak (ie not muscular), and the legion is all about strength.

>>3774078
Makes much more sense that if Caesar kicks the bucket, his succesor will just take up the mantle of Caesar instead (for example Vulpes Caesar) the idea that such a force would be rendered useless when command still exists is just stupid

>>3774097
The problem is that Lanius will take control because he is the biggest and strongest in the legion, barely held on a leash by caesar. Vulpes even makes a comment that he is extremely worried if Caesar dies after the failed operation, because he knows Lanius is insane and no one can challenge him. Whether or not the legion survives the battle of hoover dam depends on the courier, and of course the one thing that people still scratch their head about is why lanius could be talked down, but thats similar to caesar doing the same thing.

>>3774097
>>3774098
Also nta

>>3774094
You’re not factoring in that the Legion is constantly at war by its nature. Even if they take the dam, there will 100% be future wars with the NCR given the Legion’s mentality of forced assimilation of neighboring tribes whenever possible. Lanius isn’t a people person like Vulpes but he doesn’t need to be since a period of Legion peace wouldn’t be possible unless they conquer so much territory that they spread themselves thin, but even then they would still need to conduct slave raids into neighboring regions if by some miracle they don’t fracture into civil war or face slave revolts.

people be like "but the legion has no bandits!"
brother the legion IS bandits

>>3774094
Actually, this is exactly why the legion would fall apart. Because everyone would put themselves forward as the best candidate. Lanius for his strength, Vulpes for his cunning, some bumfuck tribal over in the east for his bumfuck tribalhood. It would collapse because Caesar is the only thing holding it together, and without him, old grudges and lust for power will destroy it.

>>3770920 (OP)
What'd Kimball or Caesar ever do for me?
House gave me an apartment for free.
>>3774078
The problem is the structure of the Legion is itself a flawed caricature in that its only referred to as a "loose" collection of warbands headed by a Legate each. You can probably assume atleast something like 8-12 or so Legates considering the sheer size of the "Legion". That is how the Legion is written, regardless of if it makes sense, which is why fags talk about it collapsing. Because the assumption is that the Legates are only kept in line through fear and not dogma which is false.
My head canon copium is that when people (including Caesar) refer to "The Legion" its the same way an opposing force only sees the enemy as "Rome" "Americans" "Norks". If Caesar were in a civilian setting, he would be referring to "The Legion" as a civil administration but this flies in the face of why he wants to conquer the NCR.
Don't ask me how they mint gold or keep warbands fed, this is allegedly done through "Free Cities" I guess in some corporatist version of a FEZ thats never been expanded on afaik. Who rules them? Don't think about it.

I've always postulated that Caesar intends a sort of expansionist doctrine to forcefully correct humanity. You've gotta think being a Follower of the Apocalypse raised in something that barely passes as civilization finding a bunch of backwater tribes as far as the eye can see outside of California and that the NCR is content to rest on its heels and do nothing to help anyone would want to expand and bring about the torch of civilization to as many savages as humanly possible. He conquered three states in the time it took a single NCR president to want to annex a small chunk of one. But again, this isn't how the Legion operates and never will be. Its just le autocracy, because its good, okay?

>>3770920 (OP)
NCR. Colonel Moore should use me as stool.

>>3774559
>Because the assumption is that the Legates are only kept in line through fear and not dogma which is false.
The dogma is "Do as Caesar bids you"
Once Caesar dies, everyone starts to question who the next top warlord should be and they start to fight amongst themselves
If it was fear alone, they'd all just fall in line under Lanius which they simply will not do
This is obvious if you have a brain

>>3771246
Now, would you kindly head to Mr. House
life support chamber and kill the son of a bitch?

>>3775024
>Doesn't know the Legion has a state religion
Mars you're fucking stupid.

>>3774559
Apparently the Legion does have offices of governance and management as pertains to civilian services. Cottonwood Cove is overseen by their Office of Slavery which also keeps records and receipts. In Boone’s quest you can find a bill of sale marking such as well. Giving Primm over to NCR jurisdiction and then opting for a Legion victory provides good insight into how the Legion runs compliant townships in its own territory; the populace isn’t expected to pay taxes, fees, tribute, or levies they just go on with their lives and conduct business as usual provided they aren’t trading in chems.

>>3770920 (OP)
>Yes Man
>kill both the President and Caesar
>leave brain in the Big Mt.
>nuke both the Legion and the NCR in Lonesome road
I have a personal army of securitrons at my beckon and effective immortality even if my body dies. The world is mine and no one can stop me.

>>3774488
Bandits by definition commit banditry. The most accurate depiction of such behavior is from the NCR as their major companies literally torch and then loot their competition only to buy them out.

>>3770920 (OP)
House and Yes Man are the only options that create a functioning narrative. The Courier has to go extremely out of his way to side with the NCR or Legion and they don’t give the Courier any real personal reason to side with them. House is your employer and the whole reason you survived getting shot in the head due to Victor pulling you out. You getting paid for completing your job and then seeing what else House has in store for you is a sound resolution that leads into a new chapter, same as killing Benny in revenge and then finding out what he was up to only to use Yes Man for your own purposes while Benny’s corpse rots.

>>3775604
the major companies in the ncr do banditry but the ncr itself does not (though sometimes they do brigandry)
the legion is just a bunch of raiders in funny costumes

>>3773600
Except that's not how you do any of this. Nomadic slave armies just lead to perpetual poverty. Campaigning in Gall is all well and good if you're trying to get gold, and gems to your capital with functional industry, but the Legion doesn't have any of that. They're larping.

The only faction with any actual industry, and production is the NCR, sure hypothetical industry is all well, and good, and assuming he actually knows how to make more of those robots that could actually end up being good in the long run, but his track record with management is abysmal.

>>3776317
>Legion has no industry
>ignores minting of coinage
>ignores the fact they produce their own armor, weapons, clothing, and medicine
If you want to be extremely technical, the only faction that has its own by definition industry is House. The NCR just repurposes equipment of factions that assimilate into it. The only reason the NCR has vertibirds is due to getting ahold of them after the Enclave was destroyed in 2. Even in game they lack the capacity to produce their own power armor and haphazardly repurpose suits from fallen Brotherhood paladins, adding slow, clunky makeshift batteries having no understanding of how to manufacture fusion cores. The NCR isn’t capable of innovation or production, it can only use and repurpose. Even the Rangers, their most elite fighting force, do not even originate from the NCR military itself, they assimilated into the NCR.

>>3776307
The major companies of the NCR hold the most political power in their government. Their elections are influenced most by their biggest companies and brahmin barrons.

>>3773569
A cynical realist would go with legion. They're already winning everywhere. They don't need you to do much to succeed, just deliver the message here, assist in some subterfuge there.

NCR and House are in mega big trouble. You can be on the ground floor in a successful invasion attempt or be a glorified fireman for a corrupt bureaucracy that'll fuck you over the minute you outlive your usefulness.

>>3774491
The ideology is already set by the time of the game. Lanius has the army loyalty. Vulpes is a specialist who commands no respect beyond his rank.

>>3776187
>Legion and they don’t give the Courier any real personal reason to side with them.
Legion is impressive in its exploits early game. You see them making fools of the NCR over and over. This in and of itself would make a courier interested

>>3776601
Stamping coins technically counts, but it's pre-ancient technology. The grinding wheels are more impressive. I've seen people make better weapons in the woods, and only one person in their entire military has any armor that's better than pre-ancient armor.

>>3776634
Now that I think about it, NCR is pretty much fucked everywhere, isn't it. Nipton, was it nelson, that ranger station, the ghoul town..

>>3776753
The specifics of standard Legion armor isn’t given much detail outside of some sets using pre-war sports equipment as a base. Given their protracted war with the NCR, their chest pieces must have some form of resistance that’s capable of lessening impact from service rifle ammunition, else it’s wildly impractical for their conflict and the war couldn’t have gone on for so long. It doesn’t seem to have any protection from shrapnel and conventional explosives given how Hanlon was easily able to win the first battle of hoover dam by abusing mine placement. Standard issue NCR troop armor doesn’t seem to be produced for defense against melee weapons and seems to be built for defense against conventional solid ammunition using firearms. Modern military protection of today’s word is designed for defense against bullets rather than machetes or sabers. It’s safe to assume that standard NCR armor would have the same vulnerabilities of today’s military issued combat armor of being easily dissected by bladed slashing weapons given there being zero evidence of the NCR incorporating chain shirts underneath their equipment. You’re operating off the assumption that technological progression is linear when that isn’t how things function in reality. Bronze in a technical sense is more advanced than iron as it’s an alloy of copper and tin and requires knowledge of how to properly forge alloys in order to smelt, whereas the production of iron does not. Humanity had an “iron age” because the Hittites were the largest distributors of bronze in the middle east and europe and their empire collapsed. Iron is simply easier to acquire.

>>3772021
With the living desert mod hit squads will spawn in to kill you and Cass if you kill the Van Graffs and Alice McLafferty. Van Graff hit squads for of course the Van Graffs and paid mercenary death squads for Crimson Caravan, to the tune of $30,000 NCR dollars.

>>3776756
This is their Vietnam.
>incompetent career generals
>most soldiers are young conscripts rather than professional army
>unfamiliar terrain
>locals despise them
>enemy is hyper organized and has spies everywhere even in civilian populace

>>3774094
He's responsible for ALL the Legions victories in the Mojave so far, and he's fairly popular with the legionnaires. They refer to his destruction of Searchlight as "clever' so he'd probably not have a problem with loyalty.

>>3776875
A Vulpes run Legion is a genuinely terrifying concept. Sleeper agents everywhere, spies already infiltrated your borders before they even show up. Anyone under his command gets too ambitious he just has them assassinated. He wouldn’t even need to have another war with NCR, he’d just install their new president.

>>3776881
>live in NCR
>gets assassinated

>>3776631
>The ideology is already set by the time of the game.
The "ideology" of the Legion is little more than aesthetics draped over a culture indistinguishable from your average raider gang except through scale.

>>3777405
To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false pretenses, they call empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace.

>>3777405
By this logic, the NCR is a criminal mafia larping as pre-war soldiers.
>but but muh heccin builderinos!!
Al Capone funded soup kitchens, built night clubs and sold alcohol. Doesn’t change what we was and what he ran. Reductionist cultural reconstruction rhetoric works both ways, can’t have your cake and eat it too.

>>3770920 (OP)
Fallout 3 was a much better game

>>3777536
defend your thesis

>>3773600
>The appeal of the Legion is that they provide the highest social unity out of all the available factions. Long term stability at all costs.
until caesar dies, and it all falls apart

honestly the legion is poorly written, their good sides are only mentioned, never seen, and their bad sides are almost comically evil

>>3777590
>until caesar dies, and it all falls apart
Caesar spent years crafting Lanius' savage aura for a reason, he'll keep the Legion together as shown in the ending slides.
>b-but J-joshua said!!!
NPCs' headcanons never constituted an argument, because, again, the ending slides tell you what happens in the short-medium term.
>honestly the legion is poorly written, their good sides are only mentioned, never seen, and their bad sides are almost comically evil
The issue with the Legion is that... their brutality isn't required in the Mojave. The place is, for the most part, civilized. Supermutant and other wasteland creatures can be kept at bay in one way or another. Water, food, caravans are there... why would you need the Legion's way of doing things in such a place? The NCR and House are better options because they're more grounded and suited to improve the place.

>>3777536
>>3777541
Nta but I liked fallout 3's vibes more

>>3777405
They have an ethos, every warrior shares the same burdens and lives under the same circumstances, trains the same weapons and partakes in the same missions. Everyone comes from different tribes but is united under the legion's banner.
They have a society behind the lines, of town after town that has grown accustomed to the stability inherent to legion rule.

There's also a clear medium to long term goal of absorbing the NCR, and a clear westward progress that will ultimately evolve the legion if successful.

Ergo, the current legion is simply a transitionary phase, and simply needs to survive and colonize the NCR to "win".

All Lanius needs to do is to get his warriors there.

>>3777428
Yes? That's precisely why the NCR has the means to outlast the Legion.

>>3777751
that's fine. no matter how much I argue about objective quality I never tell anyone not to enjoy their stuff.

>>3778503
>I never tell anyone not to enjoy their stuff.
Approaching maturity

>>3778428
Legion brings stability and security to its lands.
What we see is the armed side of the legion. Their nomadic warband. This warband doesn't interact with the citizens.

What you get, as a settlement under legion rule: ability to self-govern, ability to live without being killed by bandits or thugs, lower taxes.

The fact that legion has lands of its own and that they are far more stable than the NCR shitheap is always ignored though.

>>3776317
>Campaigning in Gall is all well and good if you're trying to get gold, and gems to your capital with functional industry, but the Legion doesn't have any of that. They're larping.
and that's why ceasar wants vegas iirc
he wants a capital to cement his base at
but it's the most retarded and volatile place he could try and park himself
it's straight up fallout Israel

>>3778605
Its not bad under legion rule, which is the entire point.

>>3778605
>It doesn't even enter their heads to build up a Legionary state in Vegas for the purpose of living there; all they want is a central organisation for their international world swindler, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks.

>>3770920 (OP)
Kings >>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone else

>>3778688
>le elvis gang

>>3778819
Yep. Got a problem with that, bitch? Fuckin' pussy.

>>3778830
>mfw tunnel snakes rule

>>3778428
How does an economically unstable republic where the largest companies and land owners have the largest political influence and voting power create a “lasting” structure? All the wars the NCR fights are ones that enrich their corrupt corporate oligarchs at the expense of average bear flag raising citizens. If the NCR continues to go at the rate that it is then it won’t be a democracy on paper but a shareholders board for brahamin barrons and CEO’s.

>>3778688
>The Kings are such great fighters that Caesar wants them assimilated
>NCR can’t even own them even if they win the dam
>House considers them loyal if they attack NCR faggots
Might have a point

>>3778903
Legion is ultimately a "medicine" to reform the NCR. That is the sole goal for which it was created.
And every method employed, no matter how cruel, is ultimately for the greater good of NCR.

The Courier is Dekanawida, the Great Peacemaker and the founder of the Iroquois Confederacy

>The Great Peacemaker travelled to different settlements to spread his message of peace. At one settlement, when asked who he was, the Great Peacemaker answered, "I am the man who is called on earth by the name of Dekanahwideh, and I have just come from the west and am now going east for the purpose of propagating peace so that the shedding of human blood might cease among you." When the settlement agreed to his plan, he explained, "This day is early and yet young, so is the new mind also tender and young, so also is the Good Tidings of Peace and Power, and as the new sun of Good Tidings of Peace and Power arose, so it will proceed on its course and prosper; so also will the young mind, and the Good Tidings of Peace and Power shall prevail and prosper. Therefore in the future, your grandchildren forever shall live in peace.

>By all accounts, the Great Peacemaker was a prophet who counseled peace among the warring tribes. According to some legends, initially the Mohawk rejected the message of the Great Peacemaker, so he decided to perform a feat to demonstrate his purity and spiritual power. After climbing a tree high above Kahon:ios (Cohoes Falls), the Great Peacemaker told the Mohawk warriors to chop the tree down. Many onlookers watched as the Great Peacemaker disappeared into the swirling rapids of the Mohawk River. They believed he had died but the next morning they found him sitting near a campfire. Greatly impressed by the Great Peacemaker's miraculous survival, the Mohawk became the founding tribe of the Iroquois Confederacy. The tribes gathered at Onondaga Lake, where they planted a Tree of Peace and proclaimed the Great Binding Law of the Iroquois Confederacy.