>love series
>there will never be a new entry
For me, it's Dragon Age. There will never be another RPG that has 6 origins with 5 UNIQUE 20 minute gameplay sequences that loop back around with unique quests and scenes and massive consequences later in the story. No RPG will ever mix real time combat with pauses so perfectly, no cast of characters will be so human, no worldbuilding so well thought out without being pretentious or just stealing from D&D, no Morrigan sex or selling knife ears into slavery.
Bros... how do you even begin to cope?

>>3771014 (OP)
>RTWP
And into the trash it goes.

>>3771014 (OP)
Are any of the sequels worth playing? I loved Origins but always stayed away from the others

>>3771062
They really aren’t.

>>3771014 (OP)
>how do you even begin to cope?
By being happy that Origins exists in the first place. Don't take it for granted.

Also I play different games and genres, so I'm not desperate for a repeat at something. And the chances of something having the same impact as Origins did for me.. about zero.

>>3771014 (OP)

We all have been there. I felt the same after FF X and let me tell you the denial stage of grief lasted far longer than i would have liked. Kept telling myself XI, X-2 and XII were just flukes and that the glory of the PS1 era would return eventually.

At some point you just let it go. My advice is that instead of focusing on hating Bioware you check out the people that worked on Origins, they are probably still making games at some other companies. Follow them rather than the empty shell of a company.

>>3771099
>you check out the people that worked on Origins
lmao, yeah, do that.

>>3771014 (OP)
This game aged like milk

>>3771157
>implying it was good to begin with

>>3771062
>Are any of the sequels worth playing?
Origins and the Awakening expansion are good.
DA2 is mostly bad, has a few interesting things that are grossly mishandled and ruins a bunch of stuff and characters from DAO
Dragon Age Inquisition is decent, if you basically just do the main story and avoid almsot all side quest stuff and can stomach dumbed down combat.
Veilguard is a mediocre action game and a terrible Dragon Age game.

Greedfall is a decent and overlooked alternative to scratch that classic Bioware itch.

>>3771014 (OP)
>For me, it's Dragon Age. There will never be another RPG that has 6 origins with 5 UNIQUE 20 minute gameplay sequences that loop back around with unique quests and scenes and massive consequences later in the story.
Remember when people say it's fraud, swindle, scam that your origin doesn't matter at all in the end???
now we're at this level of copium
I suppose after 20 years later all stores will only be allowed in after your anus recognition, and those who refuse to do so will be branded as /pol/magachuds

>>3771157
>This game aged like milk
There was so much sexist stuff that just made me go "yikes!"
>help a girl
>one option is to ask for a kiss as a reward
>literal sexual harrassment
Can tell this game was made in the 2000s and the target demographic was males

>>3771211
>Remember when people say it's fraud, swindle, scam that your origin doesn't matter at all in the end???

What do you mean? It's far more important that the origin matters throughout the game, not at the end. What should matter at the end are your decisions, which they do. You can choose to die a martyr, choose to have have someone else make the sacrifice (like say Loghain), choose to do Morrigan's deal just for one part of the ending.

It did a far better job at this than most RPGs, which instead just boil down to a single text slide and with basically zero impact during the playthrough of the game.

>>3771219
>>help a girl
>>one option is to ask for a kiss as a reward
>>literal sexual harrassment
>Can tell this game was made in the 2000s
Probably bait, but try opening a history book every once in a while. Medieval history is sure to trigger you and shocker, Dragon Age is not a reflection of modern earth society.

>>3771211
It was always utterly retarded, incorrect complaint, because it matters a lot during the game, completely changes your perception on factions and characters and you get unique endings as well. It could only be better if you got unique to each origin companion

>>3771062
Awakenings is a great sequel. Easily 10/10 and on par with the original game. Unfortunately, they never made any other sequels to Dragon Age. Shame that this great game never got any other sequels, but it's probably for the best.

>>3771204
>Greedfall
Why would I want to play a shitty version of Skyrim when I can just play Skyrim again?

>>3771059
Retarded take. It actually works fine for DA:O because it isn't based on (A)D&D.

I beat origins around 5 times (not counting dropped playtroughts), but i will never understand what causes so many retards to be obsessed with it. Are you baldur's gate 1&2 kids that got yourself a new toy in good ol' 2009 and can't let go of it?

>>3771635
>skyrim

The game is nothing like Skyrim. Is that your only frame of reference for what an RPG is?

>>3772201
They should’ve made it straight action or turn based instead of this middle of the road focus grouped slop. It’s an objectively terrible system to build a game around.

>>3772201
Yeah, it's based on WoW.

>>3772231
Greedfall is a shit 4/10 mid-tier game that has Redditors basedfacing over how bland it is. It literally offers nothing that any other RPG doesn't do 1000x better.

>>3772396
So you're saying that is what you think of Skyrim to draw that comparison? Or was it an irrevant shitpost.

>>3772232
you know what? I'm gonna say it. RTP is the most fun party combat system. I love the fast pace and the chaos of everything happening at once is exciting. I want more.

>>3772458
Hear hear

>>3772232
RTwP is the absolute best combat system if it involves party management and large number of allied and enemy units.
Action gives extremely limited controls and fewer options, while turn based turns the pacing into a crawl as soon as unit numbers go beyond just a handful.

>>3772401
english please

>>3772462
Cope. Action requires tangible hand eye coordination skill and turn based requires planning and strategy. RTWP requires neither and is purposefully designed to encourage mediocrity. It’s a system designed for normie gamers so they won’t be filtered from having to learn or try. The end result is just spamming the same abilities over and over again because it lacks the mechanical strategic minded depth of turn based combat so there’s no ability variety nor situations where you have to try something else.
>shield bash, debilitate, basic attack, bash, debilitate, basic attack, on and on
This is slop. Gaming has become objectively worse with real time with pause, and you are part of the problem.

>>3772458
>using the same repetitive moves over and over again and then doing nothing as your character awkwardly spams basic attacks is “fun”
You need to expand your variety of games.

>>3772512
>>using the same repetitive moves over and over again
thats literally turn based game

>>3772512
>nooo, we shouldn't iterate on a game from 2009. this is literally slop nooooo

>>3772524
You being too retarded to utilize all the tools of a complex system is a result of interpersonal failing. Even number go up jrpg’s have a greater variety of approach towards encounters than mindless button mashing rtwp trash.
>>3772535
>nooo this is slop
Yes.

>>3772511
>Action requires tangible hand eye coordination skill and turn based requires planning and strategy

You go ahead and point me to an action game that allows you to control 4+ units all with at least 3 skills each. I'll wait.

>RTWP requires neither
Turn-based requires nothing and is the easiest one.

You avoided disproving what I said to ramble about irrelevant stuff. Good job. Excellent deflection.

>>3771062
2 is underrated imo, combat isn't quite as in-depth but that could be a good thing depending on who you ask. Don't have to worry about queueing up 3 things every time you pause or dying because your spells hurt your own party too. The story is pretty neat actually, really contributes to the sense of there being an actual world by showing the things happening outside Ferelden during the first game.

Inquisition on the other hand is boring as fuck. It plays like an MMO designed for a 5-year old, none of the characters are interesting, and the maps are not fun to explore. I had to force myself to play past the first real area and even then I just couldn't finish it.

>>3771062
2 is literally the only one that has anything interesting going on in that shit series, and it is also bad.

>>3771062
People shit on 2 and Inquisition pretty undeservedly. They do interesting things with the story, but they don't really preserve the gameplay of Origins.
Veilguard was so bad that no one, anywhere, actually liked it. In trying to appeal to everyone, it appeals to no one.

>>3775086
The real problem with Veilguard was trying to use the structure of Mass Effect without using any of its strengths.
Well that and you can barely call it an RPG anymore and feels completely disconnected from the other Dragon Age games.

The Dragon Age series is a victim of EA top management (not even joking, they got directly involved) over and over again saying how the game should be designed when they know know the first thing about designing games and EA constantly trying to turn every franchise into being as big as Call of Duty.
This is why so many EA studios die off. They take something successful, force devs to make non-sensical changes to try and broaden the appeal of it and when the sales don't meet EA's expectation the series and studio is killed off. Again and again and again.
Dead Space got it so bad that the series was and studios were killed twice.

the trouble is bioware games are bit shallow, most of the choices are just illusions and lead to the same answers and outcomes.

>>3772750
>You go ahead and point me to an action game that allows you to control 4+ units all with at least 3 skills each
Tales of Arise allows switching between characters instantly. I'm waiting for a RPG that really taps into that sort of gameplay.

>>3775187
>Tales of Arise allows switching between characters instantly
And that's not at the same time. Try again. Or what is more likely, die on this hill because you have nothing.

>>3771062
Awakening is an expansion to Origins and is phenomenal. DA2 is very good. I hesitate to say it's underrated because I think people are pretending to hate it, but in the literal sense it is underrated because it's much better than people say.

I can't speak to the other two games because I saw that they were taking it a heavily woke direction and will not interact with such material. Give 2 a shot and enjoy it. It's an interesting story.

>>3771014 (OP)
>massive consequences

I don't know about that. I picked the Dwarf ... slums origin and when I got back to Orgrimmar I don't think my sister even commented on it. She disappeared until the end of the game when she returned to apologize.

>>3775225
>reddit spacing
>bitching about woke

Go fuck yourself.

>>3775263
>paragraphs are “Reddit”
Lurk two years before posting.

>Dragon Age Origins
:|
>Dragon Age Origins: The Golems of Amgarrak with a fresh level 20 character
:O

>>3771228
Yeah people don't realize this but Wizards could legally require kisses from women while they worked for wages in a privately owned tavern; and the medieval policemen would allow it.

Honestly being able to ask for a smooch isnt an issue really, it's fun to play a leech, but the early Bioware insistence on treating being a woman the same way you'd prioritize treating an elf was insane. People who otherwise would comment on you rising above your lineage's station will just be like "OIVE NEVUH SEEN A WUMUN WID DA SWORD BEFOOR" even though in universe its exceedingly common

>>3771014 (OP)
Origin's biggest flaw is you can't rough romance that Loghain's henchman bitch

>>3775554
I got to fuck her with a zweihander though.

>>3771014 (OP)
Origins was staggeringly good, at least a decade ahead of its time. Personally I'd say it wasn't topped until BG3 came out. But you're overselling the amount of reactivity. Compared to BG3 there's very little.
>no cast of characters will be so human
Mass Effect topped this I think since their characters gets 3 games' worth of development. BG3 arguably topped it as well due to being a massive game with more content for each companion.
>no worldbuilding so well thought out without being pretentious or just stealing from D&D
This I agree with. The story and universe was incredibly novel

>>3775225
I can't say anything about people, but I hated it cause it was reusing combat arenas too often with enemies teleporting in
Whatever little nuance combat had in dao, got gutted to make press button awesome action happens
The story wasn't bad, and I dont have issues with making your protagonist react to bad things happening around him while stripping him of agency cause its de-empowering. But the story was a definite let down after what we had in origins

>>3776267
>more content for each companion.
except wyll
dude has like a full third of the dialogue of the other characters on average, despite having the backstory that ties most directly into the plot

>>3771014 (OP)
>I love this series! (even though only the first game is halfway decent and the rest is just garbage)
For what reason?

>>3772458
>Dragon's Dogma
>DA:2
>FF12
They all had the bones of a good system with configurable AI companions, I prefer these immensely because you can just focus on your own character and have "friends" but you also get to customize them against being totally useless. So the whole thing feels much more alive.

It never feels as fun to me when you're controlling each and every action of the entire party like soulless puppets.

Too bad they buried it all underneath stupid wokeshit and plebian console mickey the marketeer decisions.

>>3776267
>BG3 arguably topped it as well
A roster of companions so terrible I eventually replaced them all with random mercs. I have been playing RPGs for 15 years, old and new, but this is the first time that has ever happened.
Holy fucking shit are the companions atrociously bad in BG3.

>>3776308
The beam-in enemies was definitely one of the two things that gave it a demerit, along with the reused sets. I think the combat only suffers in comparison to the first game, but it's not *that* far behind it and I felt it was still dynamic. It did suck a lot to lose programmable companions- that was an amazing feature that I've never seen in another game.

>>3771062
If you want shallow romances with faggots and shitty gameplay then yes. If you want good games then no.

>>3771204
>>3771633
>>3775225
Awakening is a shit expansion made under the direction of EA and announced how bad DA2 was gonna be.
Yeah the idea of a post-game scenario where the hero is rewarded a fief and has to rebuild and protect it is great. But the execution screamed "alright guys we give you 1 month to shit out content to sell".
When Origins had many different choices that led to different outcomes. Awakening was a bunch of fetch quests to complete to get the good ending (saving the castle and the city)

DA2 still had the same people who made DAO and who had good ideas to polish what they couldn't in Origins, but they didn't have the means to do it. It's cow dung. DAI and the new game aren't even worth talking about.

>>3776658
Doesn't matter if Awakening isn't some content rich expansion, it ups the quality from DAO and has some of the best companions in the series (before DA2 ruined several). The new classes are fun, the things the narrative explores is more interesting than in DAO, knows which characters people liked and brought back, etc.

DA2 is where shit took a nosedive.

>>3771219
You have to be such a spiritual bitch to even react to something like that

Unfortunately we have reached a point where a non-negligible amount of people will, in full earnest, argue that - for instance - the player should not be allowed to commit any ethically dubious acts, because merely including such an option as a viable alternative without immediately and unequivocally punishing it is tantamount to glorifying the action itself. (Examples include massacring the Dalish, allowing the purge of the Circle, contributing to the continuation of the dwarven caste system and/or the production of golems, or moving forward in the series, selling Fenris back into slavery)
And I so dearly wish it was an exaggeration or straight up bullshit, but the amount of opinions to that effect I've seen lately regarding games and Dragon Age specifically is honestly, genuinely discouraging.
But I guess it's my fault for even engaging with video game discourse literally anywhere online, since every single site has its own flavor of thorough brain-rot that prevents the average user from acting like a normal fucking human being rather than some extremist caricature of one shade or another. This post, too, is a waste of time and a mistake.

how few games do you have to have played for dragon age to be your favorite series

DA:O is really the litmus test for people with good taste in western RPGs, because I remember playing it at the time and being baffled that any serious rpg enthusiast could possibly think it was any way half decent.

I mean, whether you like old classics like BG2 or not, agree or disagree with things like romance and combat mechanics, there is simply no way to argue that DA:O is not an almost wholesale degeneration from these games, with its tiny amount of exploration, miniscule set of weapons and gear, and gift based romances, and MMORPG-depth combat. I think the only possible good points you can make about it is the story choice content and world design, but that's it.

>>3780261
Midwit take. Especially since you use words you don't even understand.

>>3780262
Fag. Especially since you suck cocks.

>>3780296
>Midwit gets called out for Rick n Morty reddit take.
>Immediately loses composure and starts being an IQ70 8th grader from a white trash home.

Thanks for proving the point of you being a caveman with a thin coat of civilized manners applied.

>>3780317
Thanks for not being straight

>>3780261
Why do these posturing losers come to anonymous boards? Get a name at codex or reddit, there you might get some validation and admiration for your superb, sophisticated taste in video games.

>>3780261
Based take, you are absolutely correct anon.
I want to add that even MMO games have better combat than this, gameplay in general is barebones and shallow, just like third person cover shooting from Mass Effect series, but the difference is nobody tries to sell you that ME gameplay is peak or tactical.

>possible good points you can make about it is the story choice content and world design
Story choices maybe but world design absolutely not

>>3780325
You're the one with cocks in your holes, why would it matter to a faggot of your capabilities whether others are straight or not is beyond me faggot-kun

>>3780261
The best part of the game is story choices
Granted no gameplay based decisions, but nobody praises bioware for the combat itself anyway in either me1 or dao
The whole package is what made it somewhat tolerable
A mix of story decisions that could drastically alter the final ending, a story that is focussed on the making the main quest the highlight, no random enemy mobs
As for the setting, it was varied enough despite being generic fantasy to hold most peoples attention
Or maybe I'm a bit biased about the gameplay not being gutter trash cause of only playing it as a mage

>>3781891
>but nobody praises bioware for the combat itself
I liked DAO combat. An improvement over BG

>>3781891
The combat is fine.

DAO did what it was supposed to. Set up a new world, with new systems (like the Origin), combat systems and such that could be improved in the sequels. The base game did this well and is overall a good, but not amazing game.
The problem is that out of 3 sequels to Dragon Age, none of them built on DAO. This is heavily due to EA's involvement every single time (which is part of what drove the studio owners out of the company).

The fact that the retarded Andrew Wilson claimed Dragon Age Veilguard didn't do well was beacuse "it wasn't a live service" which is the moronic idea he suggested (and later had tthe gall to say "I told you so, the game needed to be live service!") says it all for how positive EA's involvement in the series was.

>>3772750
>You go ahead and point me to an action game that allows you to control 4+ units all with at least 3 skills each
RTS games like WC3 have this. The basic spellcaster units all have 3 abilities each.

>>3775086
Yeah 2 had some genuinely interesting story/character elements, having a game set in the DA world with (generally) lower stakes and focusing more on one place/a long time passing in that place as it changes is a fun idea, they just didn't have the time to flesh it out as it needed.

Also it had a ton of great party banter, cemented the vibe that these characters all had their own lives and specific friendship circles and rivalries within the party itself. In DA:O and Inquisition, it generally felt as though the companions were ONLY there for the mission and probably didn't interact with each other unless it was necessary/unless they were being dragged around with the main character (which makes sense given the higher stakes in those games, but it still felt like everyone stayed as strangers for the majority of the games)

>>3784584
The combat is good even, only problem is that the base game is way too easy.

Now, if you play Golems of Amgarrak on nightmare with a fresh level 20 character, wew.

>>3771014 (OP)
>And Claudia Black

Me and my wife (pic related) always loved this game too but neither of us can forgive EA for all the wokeshit.

>>3771635
>Why would I play a shitty version of Tainted Grail: Fall of Avalon when I could play Tainted Grail and have my mind blown
I dunno why anyone would do that.
>>3776309
I really think that had to do with the VA. Watch them together in some of the tabletop vids, he always has the least to say in what is essentially improv with dice.
The only thing I like about Wyll is he is barely present enough to when I get around to playing him as Origin it won't seem any different and he's bland enough not to get in the way of my le goody edgy warlock rp (due to origin characters losing most of their unique dialog)

He really should have been cut up into fleshing out tags for Custom Tav and that way a warlock could have a real fiend patron integrated into the story but then they'd have to do that for everything I suppose.

>>3786133
Based

the only point of the game is roleplaying as a racist dalish elf tomboy who discovers the outside world and, between two unbelievably drawn-out dungeons, rubs her pussy with leliana's while she sings her to sleep.

>>3791731
>racist dalish elf
But she's a race herself

>>3771062
No, they're all trash besides Origins. Some more so than others

>>3775086
Time might have vindicated aspects of 2, but it's pretty obvious that the decline started there already. Don't get me wrong, 2 is a reasonable game. So is Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. If you buy Dragon Age II, and it's Modern Warfare 2, you should rightly call out the blatantly incorrect decisions made in designing the game. It might be a reasonable game, but it's a baffling misstep at the same time. That said, a lot of the issue was that it wasn't fully a reasonable game due to time constraints in development. This problem was exacerbated by the design choices of copying what worked in Mass Effect.

Those design choices were rightly shit on, and the only reason people play apologies for them is that the series went to shit. The series went to shit due to a shitty design philosophy, and people feel apologetic towards features that were in the wrong direction.

>>3795073
People are apologetic cause there are aspects to the game that are close to their hearts and are genuinely done not just right, but very well
>the story is genuinely good, even if a bit retarded at times and without a role for Hawks to play in it
>companions and their stories were good, as were their associated quests
>combat was flashy and an improvement over dao, with lesser spells, a handicapped tactics system, shitty enemy placement, teleporting enemies, no companion equipment customization
>a better companion approval/rivalry system
I played da2 before dao, and it took me almost a decade to go back and replay dao. Went over to da2, and even if there were glimmers of brilliance, compared to where dao set my expectations, it was an absolute disgrace that I couldn't manage to finish
In short, its the positives that make people chimp out for trilogy killers (same with me2), and now with hindsight after knowing how bad things can get, people solace in defending what was eventually a better game than what we have now
Remember to mock these faggots, and never let them forget

>>3795120
Do you know what the issue with your whole story is? You have the incorrect chronology of events in your analysis. When you analyze any kind of history, that's one of the biggest mistakes people make.

Why did I emphasize that DA2 is actually a reasonable game? It's making the point your making. If you simply observe the game with no context, that's the conclusion you will draw. Your take is bad for that reason. You have data points out of order, and you can't tell a story based on reality that way. The reason I bring up history is that it's the realm where laymen make the most mistakes like this. You can have good takes about how good the game is, but you will never have a good take about the direction the game went in.

>>3795133
I sounded more like a snooty dick than I intended to. Disregard this post, except for the nugget of truth there. It's always good to keep chronology in mind. You did a good job with that, actually.

>>3795140
Its fine. I dont have a vagina, nor do I bleed downstairs
You're right, partially.
However, your POV is overarching and explains things in a concise manner without placing the blame on anyone except nameless faceless corpo as it oughtta.
Mine is vindictive and mocks not just the devs but also the people who gave them a better chance cause they thought bioware magic is what cocaine is made out of and were all too willing to roll with whatever shit bioware threw at the wall in hopes that something stuck
I didn't say anything about the devs cause you'd already picked the biggest reason why da2 is the way it is
Ideally, someone needs to combine both to give a macro/micro overview which includes situations on the devs/gamers side for the most comprehensive reason as to why the grave bioware has dug for itself is at least 60 feet deep instead of the usual 6 that would suffice for a normal person
Also, its 4chan. You can be an snooty asshole. Cheers!

>>3795120
>>combat was flashy and an improvement over dao

Holy fucking shit kill yourself. I was about to reply seriously until you wrote this fucking inhumanely retarded shit.

>>3795208
I shouldve clarified.
>combat was flashy, consolified and made to be more action oriented rather than rely on the RPG tactic based system present in dao
I'm curious to hear what you were about to say

>>3771204
>Greedfal
Would it kill them to draw at least TWO different locations for the faction leaders throne?

>>3771219
>literal sexual harrassment
Im so tired of modern crybabies.

>>3786133
its possible to come just from hearing her talking.

>>3786133
>all the wokeshit.
dragon age origins literally opens on shit like "women are also allowed to be fighters! ferelden is way less sexist than irl!"
granted, if you play as a female character in most origins someone is immediately a sexist to you, but this game was always woke

>>3797411
>dragon age origins literally opens on shit like "women are also allowed to be fighters! ferelden is way less sexist than irl!"
That is not woke, you deranged retard. If they didn't set that up you wouldn't even be able to play a female character.

>>3771014 (OP)
I don't cope I'm old every thing I've ever liked has been turned into dog shit.

>>3771062
You can try them if you’re interested but I wouldn’t really recommend them

>>3771062
No, absolutely not.

>>3797411
What are you even going on about? There's a big difference between "Women and men are completely equal in every possible way, and you need to deal with it" and "Traditional gender roles still exist, but women female warriors aren't so uncommon in this setting that every other person would gawk at you as though you were a unicorn or immediately assume you to be incompetent."

>>3797411
The first thing Alistair says to you is that its surprising to see a female warrior lining up to be a warden
I'm not a fag so I've never played it as a girl, but I'm 100% sure plenty of people in the game are astonished at your station in life despite being a woman as well well into the game
If your immersion requires no woman to be capable with anything outside of the kitchen, then your companion roster will also need to get lighter and it shouldn't be possible to make a woman PC at all

>>3798719
>every other person would gawk at you as though you were a unicorn or immediately assume you to be incompetent
We must lower standards until we achieve equity, chud.

Dragon Age Origins is so fucking ugly and the setting so fucking bland that I can't bring myself to play it even with Morrigan in it (who is arguably the real highlight of this game)

>>3771014 (OP)
Origins wasn't even that good man

>>3799211
What are you on about? Origins had a great setting, better than anything any fantasy that has come out in the last 20 years

>>3799235
you gotta be kidding right? It's the same goblin, werewolves, magicians and warrior stuff you see everywhere. Just because they have a different name doesn't mean they're actually any different. What makes Origins setting better than say Baldur's gate setting for example? or Pillar's of eternity

>>3799248
Sum of parts does not equate to the final thing
Your post and the person youre replying to both use the same letters, and yet are able to convey different things with how you put those tpgether

>>3799235
Yeah, bg3 was pretty good man, maybe better than dao at times
Its okay to admit it

>>3799248
>>3799282
So the contenders are Forgotten Realms, created in 1967, and Pillars of Eternity

>>3799282
I for one think that BG3 is vastly superior to DAO

>>3799282
bg3 feels like modern day people wearing cosplay and larping, literally one of the first NPCs you see is a mystery meat zoomgroid broccolihead who speaks like a random nigger off the streets of 2025 London. Does it even ever explain anything about its world at all, I honestly don't remember a single tidbit of lore about anything from that shitty weg

>>3781891
>Granted no gameplay based decisions
There is one: the fight that if you lose you get sent to jail.

>>3799284
outside of technological progress what is better in BG3

>>3799380
sex scenes are less censored i guess
when it comes to actual substance, bg3 is inferior to DAO in every way apart from maybe combat. shitty characters with even worse writing, the story devolves into lore-breaking dogshit in part3, woke faggotry out of every orifice. it's a worse game, the niggers above are just contrarians

>>3799381
>contrarians
Nevermind the fact that BG3 was a massive hit lol

>>3799385
DAO was also a pretty big game, maybe not as big, but still decently popular. they came to talk about how their game, which has tons of very obvious flaws, is actually better than a game whose writing is objectively better thought out for both characters and the actual story and does not shoehorn politics into the fucking character creator, in a thread about said game. so yes, they are absolutely contrarians trying to spark a flame war. bg3 isn't without merits, but it's worse in every way that actually matters, this is not debatable

>>3799381
No I admit the characters and writing of BG3 are trash. But the game is just better overall. It's more fun. That's it, there's something in it that gives me a reason to keep on playing. Something that I never found in DAO.

>>3799388
> but it's worse in every way that actually matters, this is not debatable
What matters more than gameplay in a fucking video game? What matters more than gameplay AND the role playing aspect in a RPG? Because in both BG3 is superior to DAO. Period.

>>3799389
i guess it's true that the game is more polished, and i much prefer it's turn based combat to rtwp (even though DAO's is better than bg/nwn), but we're talking about rpg's, where the actual roleplaying matters more than anything else, and to have any meaningful roleplaying, you need solid writing, something which bg3 lacks

>>3799390
role playing is an inherent part of the gameplay of an rpg, in fact, it's the main selling point you mouthbreathing troglodyte, and bg3 more or less forces the player character to be a faggot one way or another. i guess that works for a self inserter such as yourself, but bg3's forced faggotry does not compare to the countless (interesting) permutations of DAO. if you're such a fan of retarded characters and unbridled faggotry, we have a board for that >>>/lgbt/

>>3799396
>and bg3 more or less forces the player character to be a faggot one way or another
Kek so you just admitted that you either :
-never played BG3
-or you played it and you managed to get fucked by Astarion, Halsin or Gayle, so you deliberately chose to be a faggot in it
And (you)'re talking about lgbt stuff or whatever? When you were the cocksucking cum guzzling sissy all along? Hilarious. You can't be a faggot in this game unless you actively try to be one. But you'd know that if you actually played the damn game and not just repeated the non-sense /v/ermin told you.

>>3799416
before they patched it, it was very easy to be gay with gayle on 2 separate occasions, one with magic and the other one in part2 when he sends you a projection of himself, i narrowly avoided it on my first playthrough. if you had played this game, you'd know this too. the fact that there is pronoun bullshit and genital choice in the character creator and of the 10 companions 8 are fuckable and swing every way is very faggy, but you seem to be hellbent on defending it anyway. get the fuck off my board with your preddit game you absolute niggerfaggot

>>3799438
>i narrowly avoided it on my first playthrough
Allow me to doubt that sissy boy
>the fact that there is pronoun bullshit and genital choice in the character creator and of the 10 companions 8 are fuckable and swing every way is very faggy
I agree with that but if it's your only complaint about a 100+ hour game filled with content...
>get the fuck off my board with your preddit game you absolute niggerfaggot
.... then I accept your concession

>>3799323
>modern day people wearing cosplay and larping
Just use azaezels NPC replacer for the grove. It modifies every single NPC there and does so in a comprehensive and lore friendly manner without making them look like cartoons (like the tieflings do in base game) or make changes that turn them completely 180°
While youre at it, use the rest of the replacers shes put out as well
If youre on console, get your dick chopped off
>lack of lore, explain anything about its world at all
I guess not extensively
DAO lore:
tevinter mages going towards the city and unleashing the fade
andraste's rise and subsequent death by her husbands hand
BG3 lore:
the creche section in act 1 with bae'zel was heavily focussed on gith history and their struggles against mindflayers
Mace of lathander and how the og inhabitants died to protect it
Ig lore matters, but if the story is good without including it as a lore dump into the game, its fine with me
If I thought for even a second that forgotten realms lore in e5 was worth checking it out (which ive heard it isnt) I wouldve had checked it out during my first 167h long canon run
>shitty weg
I'd agree with your exaggerated comparisons if it was as bad as you make it out to be

>>3799283
>Forgotten Realms, created in 1967,
>and Pillars of Eternity
I havent played poe, might never play it
Dont care about following forgotten realms either
The game was good, I dont think I'll delve into the background too much tho
>>3799385
>massive hit
Fuck that noise. So was skyrim. We all know how shit it is.
>>3799392
I'm not trying to bait you, but ive done two runs of dao (~1.5y ago), and one of bg3 recently (finished yesterday) and it didnt feel like dao or bg3 were extensively preventing me from roleplaying at every turn
Might be a few things here and there... But I can let small things go

>>3774936
I agree with this take, I enjoyed 2 because its different to origins in some ways that doesn't make it a bad game. Both games are unique in how they play and their stories. Never bothered with 3 or the rest to be honest.

>>3799389
>No I admit the characters and writing of BG3 are trash. But the game is just better overall. It's more fun. That's it
A rare reasonable bg3 fan on this board.

>>3799680
2 is bad because it's a bad and unfinished game that is actively offensive if you played DAO and DAO:A.
>worse dumbed down combat
>atrocious wave based encounter design with not only most enemies copypasted from DAO, but you fight the same enemies over and over in DA2 itself
>characters like anders and justice were outright ruined and completely rewritten
>like/dislike system was terrible, where characters can get really upset with you if you say "I'm not gay"
>companions range from stupid, to cringe to just poorly written
>game almost entirely relegated to a city, which makes exploration more repetitive and boring, while not even actually showing significant change by sticking to one location over time
>story is boring and taking the mage tower "mage rights" stuff and stretching it over an entire game was mind boggling
The game has some ideas that are interesting on paper, but extremely poorly executed.

>>3799725
>>like/dislike system was terrible, where characters can get really upset with you if you say "I'm not gay"
It wasn't better in DAO, you could improve your relationships just by offering gifts

>>3799752
But it didn't actively punish you for dumb stuff like Anders hitting on you and you getting punished with a massive rep drop for saying no.

>>3799725
>like/dislike system was terrible, where characters can get really upset with you if you say "I'm not gay"
Wrong. Zevran also disliked when you turned him down
The rivalry/friendship system was less broken than what dao had going on and the mechanic was certainly better than cheating with a dlc for gifts to make them all like you
>game almost entirely relegated to a city, which makes exploration more repetitive and boring, while not even actually showing significant change by sticking to one location over time
I can agree that the city needed to beore dynamic, but it was fine to change the scope of the game from being large to small
Ive often wanted to play an rpg dealing with non-world ending catastrophes where my character is crippled at times
Da2 for all its many flaws and faults, did that well enough
>story is boring and taking the mage tower "mage rights" stuff and stretching it over an entire game was mind boggling
It was fine.
Nothing great but definitely not the worst.
The lack of choices and consequences do drag the he down
If two options both lead to the same shitty situation for Hawke, there oughtta be some different reason why xyz happened
>interesting on paper, but extremely poorly executed
Its a game made by EA, not bioware
Bioware made a lotta good games that shouldve been trash but lucked out way many times, but once they got acquired, veilguard was gonna be their end point

>>3799868
>Wrong. Zevran also disliked when you turned him down
If you started down that path. Not so with Anders.

>I can agree that the city needed to beore dynamic, but it was fine to change the scope of the game from being large to small
The problem is they changed the scope but did nothing with it. The worst of both worlds. So you got a non-dynamic city and way less variation in terms of locales and exploration.
This might've been fine if the city was mechanically, narratively and visually interesting, like say Sigil or something from Planescape, but it wasn't.

>It was fine.
Which is also a big problem. A nothingburger story you struggle to remember or pay attention to even while it's happening.
The only interesting thing was the part with the Qunari and Arishok.

>Its a game made by EA, not bioware
Bioware was still "Bioware" at that time. It ceased to be Bioware the moment the Doctors (two founders of Bioware) left the year after DA2 was released.
After that Bioware has just been slowly repeatedly raped by EA upper management with dumber and dumber ideas and more direct involvement.

>>3799873
>zevran
Might've been the case, it's been a while since I played it
But, the companion relationship system has only improved over the three games (from what ive heard, never played DAI after the shitshow that was DA2)
>changed the scope but did nothing with it
Agreed.
They were more interested in making something awesome happen every time you pressed a button to care about making anything that didnt look copy pasted
Fuck them
>Qunari and Arishok
An absolute highlight that amended the sins of how DAO handled Qunari
>A nothingburger story you struggle to remember or pay attention to even while it's happening
I gave up playing that shitty game cause of the bad environments copy pasted and the repetitive combat you mentioned
In terms of the story and choices, it was aggravating to hear Hawke say bs I never intended for him to speak
All this created a huge disconnect that made me give up on this series
>Bioware was still "Bioware" at that time
Nope. Strongly disagree.
Bioware extended their dev time to incorporate all the origins into the game
No way can you convince me that bioware still existed (except in glimmers of brilliance shining through the overt bs they pushed in terms of story, dialogue & rpg elements of both me2 and da2) after their acquisition had gone through

>>3771062
Hell, no. Origins only barely holds up and is exponentially better than every other entry.

>>3799868
>Zevran also disliked when you turned him down
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Seriously, a rejected woman is a scary creature. Someone should write a villain from that concept.

Anyways, am I the only one who didn't cheese companions with those generic gifts?

>>3799940
An interesting concept. But, if you make this into reality......
>Someone should write a villain from that concept
I'd just try to out my dick into her holes, game or not.
Doesnt matter if it leads to a good ending or naah

I traded a tf2 hat for a copy of this game and played it in 2011 as a 13 year old. Was pretty exciting back then, ok rpg gameplay and i fapped to morrigan a lot but it's seriously a barebones game in the actual rpg gameplay sense, combat gets repetitive, and really nothing to be excited about otherwise in 2025

>>3800215
>nothing to be excited about otherwise in 2025
I'll argue it's still unique. I don't know any other RTWP game with changeable 3rd person/isometric view and something similar to origin intros for a character.

If you already played it 10 years ago, yeah it obviously doesn't suddenly offer anything new.

>>3771014 (OP)
>For me, it's Dragon Age. There will never be another RPG that has 6 origins with 5 UNIQUE 20 minute gameplay sequences that loop back around with unique quests and scenes and massive consequences later in the story.

The Old Republic has more unique class stories which have far, far more content and reactivity.

>>3799385
Just because something makes money doesn’t automatically make it good you stupid nigger.

>>3800220
RTWP is frankly the worst combat system to ever be thought of and a shit ton of games have origins, unless you mean the ~30 minute quest at the beginning

>>3800453
his answer had nothing to do with that you low IQ autist, learn to read

>>3800575
One small reason I remember about the movement and combat was that you could corrol your character using wasd, and extend the hotbar
It greatly helped immerse me into the combat and my character, even if it was kinda the first time I was playing rtwp which was more like an MMO (didnt know that at the time) with the abilities having cooldowns if that makes any sense

>>3771062
>Are any of the sequels worth playing?
There's blatantly not enough noes in replies here have another one:

No

>>3800610
It was absolutely related to that as well and don’t act like it wasn’t you faggot. It’s not a hit unless it makes a lot of money too so go fuck yourself.

>>3771014 (OP)
>no Morrigan sex
That's exactly what you get if you romance her

>>3799385
>>3800453
>>3800610
>>3801028
Kek so stupid

>>3771062
second game is unfinished and was put together a year earlier because of skyrim which made literally every aspect of it worse than the first game

inquisition is very tonally different and has a canon plotline much more prominently than previous games plus the gameplay is a rearranged MMO skeleton. If people who liked 1 and 2 can overlap people who like inquisition are mostly twitter/tumblr millenialo-zoomer women who played as an elf woman mage and romanced the bald dude

veilguard is mid gameplaywise, and plotwise it's a direct sequel of inquisition

>>3771204
>Dragon Age Inquisition is decent
yeah i guess a pile of shit is decent enough for you too

>>3771062
They're all worth playing, but only Origins through Inquisition is worth replaying. I once heard the series compared to a shared setting between many authors, with new perspectives each entry. That rings true for me, if you like the setting you'll get something out of the series. Just drop your expectations for Veilguard.

>>3786133
Girl if you were offended by Origins, the most mild mannered and polite expansion of women PCs I've seen since pokemon, then you're not fit to play much of anything. Thedas was never our world, let alone some sexist's personal myth of it.

>>3798719
>>3797411
"Traditional" gender roles in Thedas don't map cleanly onto your "traditional" gender roles. Andrastianism is firmly gynocentric and promotes the idea that men are too lacking in virtue for leadership. They can fight but as leaders they need a check. Remember "The Chantry teaches us that is the hubris *of men* that brought the Darkspawn into our world" is like the first thing you're told, all the Magisters who spoiled the world were men. And even then the general rule of thumb in Thedas is that gender roles are cultural expectations, not economic facts of life. There isn't anything in the main human & elven cultures to even create a patriarchy.

There's like 3 cultures with strict gender roles and they're all suffering for it. Dwarves are dying out undergroumd because they're stodgy conservatives clinging to a caste system that reduces their power & ties everyone into birth based status. Tevinter humans live in an oppressive slaver shithole where might makes money & money makes right; meaning people get reduced to marital exchanges. Then there's the Qunari whose ridiculous tyranny requires the segregation of all society into discrete categories; and they have constant defectors in every game in addition to needing a transgender identity just to function. They're so wedded to the idea of women not being warriors that they'd view a woman warrior as a man.

There's also Darkspawn; recurring infectious nightmares of war atrocities. We see that they're exclusively male looking soldiers birthed by immobile rape victims wallowing in filth.

Everybody else, everyone who isn't a walking plague or part of a dying culture, they're either gynocentric or agnostic. Fereldens are in universe the least developed nation so it's not surprising these largely agrarian peasants & their lords get uppity around women.

Point is you shouldn't have even expected a fantasy setting to replicate irl gender roles or mythologies, read the damn lore you filthy tourist.

Threadly reminder that Thedas is literally
>THE Dragon Age Setting

Getting spoiled on "Here Lies The Abyss" really ruined Origins for me. I'm stuck between playing Cousland (which I hate) for the Queen ending, or Mage (which I enjoy) for the mistress ending (which feels like a cuck ending).

Should I bite the bullet, keep Alistair as a warden, and sacrifice my Hawke ?

>>3800215
>repetitive
Everyone says Rogue is fun but I can't get far enough into the game to make it fun.

I'm just-
>stab stab stab skill spam stab
Mage is more fun than this honestly

>>3803777
Welcome to the club
Mage can get extremely powerful without you even trying, just play the game
And their specializations are overpowered af
Blood mage, arcane warrior, keeper combo rolled over everything and anything

>>3803777
I liked paying rogue but it straight up was
>stun boss
>kill the Add's while boss can't do anything
>kill boss

>>3771204
Calling Greedfall a rpg is very generous. There's only one decision in the entire game that makes a difference and it's in the final five minutes of the game.

>>3771062
Origins is genuinely the only good one. It's such a fucking shame.

>>3771014 (OP)
I got Origins on sale on GoG but I'm a bit pissed they didn't include controller support. It works fine with KB+M but this game was also released for consoles so they really should have patched that.
Using Xpadder to play it with controller is just poor optimized.

>>3802471
that tells you that fantasy setting names can just be shitty brainfarts even if there are genuinely good ones.