E33 threads often get derailed by people who haven’t played the game and just want to speculate or shitpost for no reason, let’s keep this one comfy and focused on those who are actually playing or have played it. If you haven’t, please just lurk and don’t act like a retard.

>>3772164 (OP)
lmao go to /vg/ and be in an actual fucking general instead of just continuing this thread >>3753523
jarpig slop eater

>>3772165
Mad because the West made a good RPG for the first time in their lives? It’s funny how something good only comes out when they decide to be inspired by the Japanese.

>>3772169
>Mad because the West made a good RPG for the first time in their lives?
Holy newfag zoomer.
Disregarding you thinking this is the pinnacle of western RPGs, the fact that you're unaware of even a single one means you're ignorant of the subject matter and ignorant people's opinions hold zero value.

>inspired by the Japanese
There is borderline zero inspiration taken from JRPGs and the things they did ripoff was made directly inferior. From UI to UX to system design to combat design. The combat is worse in every regard to Shadow Hearts, a game that came out over 20 years ago on the PS2. That is what you're impressed by, regression.

>>3772178
Nearly all Western WRPGs from the past few years have been “make your own choice” games with 9999 options, boring and not fun at all. E33 did what everyone wanted, a game with a Japanese structure but European storytelling.
>There is borderline zero inspiration taken from JRPGs and the things they did ripoff was made directly inferior.
Imagine ignoring the quest system, collectibles, mini-games, the "outside world map" that lets you enter to new small locations like DQ, the “upgrades” that allow you to fly and explore new areas. The linear dungeons filled with secrets, loot, hidden bosses and skins hidden in branching paths, the dumb social link scenes, etc. The whole game feels like a JRPG wrapped in a Western style.
On top of that, the gameplay blends elements from Persona 5’s combat UI, Sekiro’s parrying, Soulslike dodging, FF9’s skill learning and equipping, and the Shadow Hearts judgment ring system. You can’t cram all that in without having to tone some parts down. Each character already has their own complex gimmick you need to keep track of.
If you think this love letter to all those systems is just a regressive ripoff, then you’re exactly the kind of person ruining JRPGs, and exactly why Final Fantasy abandoned its turn based roots. It doesn’t need to be innovative, it just needs to do a good job. And this game does that very well.

>>3772178
>There is borderline zero inspiration taken from JRPGs
lolololololol

>>3772164 (OP)
E33 is one of the greatest WRPGs of all time

>>3772197
even if act 3 shat the bed in terms of plot

>>3772235
I liked Act 3.
In the end, you're still going to kill God and save everyone. Sadly, some people don't understand all the buildup to that and just disregard the entire game as mere escapism and grief, even though the entire world has a soul and Maelle only exists there.

>>3772193
>Nearly all Western WRPGs from the past few years have been “make your own choice”
Maybe stick to action games. They unironically do what you want.

>E33 did what everyone wanted
Uh huh, "everyone". So much so most people haven't even beaten the game yet of the ones that were gaslighting into getting it.

>Imagine ignoring the quest system, collectibles, mini-games, the "outside world map"
Uh huh, stuff that exists even in non-RPGs and you latch on to superficial stuff like "muh overworld" while ignoring all the generic western slop shit the game did. Like pouring in a drop of strawberry juice into a bottle of vodka and call it a "strawberry drink".

>On top of that, the gameplay blends elements from Persona 5’s combat UI, Sekiro’s parrying, Soulslike dodging, FF9’s skill learning and equipping, and the Shadow Hearts judgment ring system.
Wrong.
It ripped off Persona's Ui and UX strucutre, but fucked it up hard and made it 100x worse. Unironically going for the shitty western """modern""" style of trash UI.
Sekiro did not fucking invent parrying and this trash in E33 is dodging made for casuals, just to look flashy and nothing else. While making the game more shallow. Sekiro is also not a JRPG.
Fucking yeah man, shitty dodges from Soulslike is such a positive and totally what JRPGs are all about.
E33 did absolutely fuck all liek Shadow Hearts. It would actually a good thing if it did since Shadow Hearts judgement ring system is 10000000000000000000000000x better in terms of literally everything when it comes to design. E33 is unmitigated trash in comparison. Fucking get real, you delusional fuck.

>>3772164 (OP)
Fucking nice job OP, E33 fanboys keep proving again and again they can't discuss this supposed masterpiece and can only shitpost and incite flamewars. Textbook shilling, fuck off back to /vg/ where you can circlejerk about this casual trash.

>>3772237
>Sadly, some people don't understand all the buildup to that

what buildup? It comes out of nowhere after you kill The Paintress. It's like when FF8 pulled Ultimecia out of it's ass

>>3772238
>Maybe stick to action games. They unironically do what you want.
I want a WRPG where I don't have to create my character and choose everything for him like it's fucking The Sims
>Uh huh, "everyone". So much so most people haven't even beaten the game yet of the ones that were gaslighting into getting it
You can say the same thing about all games released in the world, go to the achievements page in any game, and you’ll see that 50% of players don’t spend more than 10 hours on it.
>Like pouring in a drop of strawberry juice into a bottle of vodka and call it a "strawberry drink"
I think you have autism. Out of everything, this is your nitpick?
>E33 did absolutely fuck all liek Shadow Hearts. It would actually a good thing if it did since Shadow Hearts judgement ring system is 10000000000000000000000000x better in terms of literally everything when it comes to design. E33 is unmitigated trash in comparison. Fucking get real, you delusional fuck.
Funny that you talk about shitposting and flamewars while doing the same thing like a down syndrome kid. QTE is NOT the focus of E33 to be that complex, retard. You can even disable it in the options.

>>3772242
The twist itself was hard to predict, but there was a lot of buildup suggesting that something was going on. You could even theorize a time loop, clones, or many other related things.

>>3772245
>I want a WRPG where I don't have to create my character and choose everything for him like it's fucking The Sims
And you don't want to make choices, so not even Witcher 3 would satisfy you.
You want what E33. Linear, generic, safe, poorly written thoughtless slop.

>You can say the same thing about all games released in the world, go to the achievements page in any game, and you’ll see that 50% of players don’t spend more than 10 hours on it.

No, you can't. And this game is short. For how many supposedly praise it as a masterpiece, there sure aren't a lot of people that even bother finishing it.
It's the sterotypical casual slop, where casuals and journalists play maybe 1-2 chapters tops, call it goty masterpiece never seen before, basedpog on twitter and then forget all about it after a couple of months when the next casual slop drops.

>I think you have autism. Out of everything, this is your nitpick?
You're the fucking retard that makes bold statements, can't back them up and claim barely minor elements are somehow huge macro elements. Then deflect when this pointed out, fucking midwit.

>Funny that you talk about shitposting and flamewars
Because you started this dumb fucking shit INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT THE GAME which seems incredibly fucking difficult for E33 fandrones to do. Almost like they haven't even played the game or are just the devs shilling it.

The fucktard (probably you/OP) here >>3772169 outright incentivized flamewars, which is par for the course for E33 fanboys AND breaks the very thing OP claimed they wanted to do "talk about the game". Strange way to talk about the game, fucktard.

All E33 fanboys can do is fucking troll and bait, then throw up their hands going "woe is me" about people hating on this poor poor game and not allowing you to talk about it. You're clinically retarded.

Most rpgs that people say have "good combat" are because they have mechanics that let you basically bypass the gameplay, and Clair Obscur is no exception.
Biggest disaster that could possibly come from COE33's success is if tons of other devs follow suit and water down their RPGs with the ever-trendy timed dodge/parry.
Real RPG fundamentals start from PUZZLE GAME design sensibilities serving as the foundation and working their way upwards, but a rare few RPG developers actually understand this and even fewer demonstrate it in their work.
tl;dr RPGs are fucked and always have been but holy shit they're getting fucked worse than any of us could have ever imagined.

>>3772252
I'm just a random anon that want play the game because i like both turn based and action. So... The game make both poorly so people just think this is good because looks innovative, but it is actually shallow?

>>3760267 thread about this kind of mix have lot people saying that this is lame but I think that if a game make this decently can be neat.
Holy fuck, is just make the action part is related to some kind of resource management. Your chance to do it good or bat is like the random element in games, as the action thing becomes harder, you have less chance to not fuckup, so if you spend some kind of resource that is slow to up(like stamina ou action point or whatever) for attack and magic and to dodge or counter-attack it can be great, because some actions are safer, other risk also connect to your execution tho. And if there are more than one defensive action and you use the whong choice (like, if you block he can grab you) you can get fucked up. So you need to learn the opponent pattern to choose.

>>3772235
>He did the act 3 meme

lol

>>3772249
I can already smell the disgusting stinky aura of this poster, you most definitely are a Crpg sperg right? you think Tyranny and Bioware games are the epic legendary amazing games that are 10/10?

You Crpg spergs have the worst and shittiest taste in vidya. I tried your niche "complex" "deep" game and they are absolute dogshit

>>3772247
>The twist itself was hard to predict
I fucking saved this top copypaste every time
>Game is titled Clair Obscur
>Godlike being called a Paintress
>She erase people from existence
>Antagonist is named Renoir
>Resource is named Chroma
>Frames & paintings everywhere
>Entire world seems made of landscape paintings
>Race of funny little guys that are litteraly living brushes
You are retarded.

>>3772238
Persona is awful, its gameplay is seriously overrated because the Jrpg genre has a very low bar for gameplay.

>>3772249
>this game is short
It's 40/60 hours
>The fucktard (probably you/OP) here
the guy was just replying to the first post that ignored the OP and came here saying “jarpig slop eater”
why are you omitting that detail and making it look like he started it? Is it because you’re him? >>3772165

>>3772164 (OP)
3rd best RPG on IMDB

>>3772267
>So... The game make both poorly so people just think this is good because looks innovative, but it is actually shallow?
Let me put it this way:
>1: if the game had anime on the cover, instant 7/10 due to being an anime game
>2: if the game had anime on the cover, dock another point for "borrowing mechanics from Paper Mario and Sekiro but never truly innovating"
>3: if the game had anime on the cover, dock another point since actual JRPG players would be looking at it critically and would correctly deride it for being an unbalanced mess where dodge/parry inverts the fundamental JRPG gameplay

>>3772252
>Most rpgs that people say have "good combat" are because they have mechanics that let you basically bypass the gameplay
Finding something that breaks the game and lets you ignore the parry/dodge mechanic is part of the game’s puzzle too, and part of why JRPGs are popular in the first place. Especially when the game gives you the tools to do it: 193 different pictos, weapon passives tied to each character’s gimmick, a large amount of Lumina Points to experiment with or farm to unlock all the pictos, a generous supply of items to reset your stat and skill allocations, and so on.
The problem is when companies ignore all the structure that made this game work and focus only on the parry and dodge aspect, turning it into something forced and obligatory, with no room for exploration.

>>3772252
>>3772267
>>3772296
This thread is for people who have played the game, read the OP.

>>3772301
First post in the thread here, I read the OP, it seems to be baiting people. Saying "don't act like a retard" is basically asking for retardation to run rampant. Really obvious shit.

>>3772310
>they told me not to do it so I’m going to fucking do it hehe
don't go outside and rape a little girl, anon

>>3772313
>I have to be told not to rape children.
>This is equivalent to shitposting on the internet.
Please don't breed.

>>3772316
>Please don't breed
I already have a fictional harem for my lifetime, don’t worry

>>3772301
I Just want to know about the game by people that really play the game since it's expensive and even to pirate I need to know if it worth, because I'll need delet a ton of stuff since the game have 50 fuckin Gigas!

>>3772321
I wasn't really worried, I've learned the universe is self-correcting.

>>3772324
Speaking of children...

>>3772327
Sometimes I'm mistaken for an adult because of my age :3

>>3772330
That's okay, this is a roleplaying board.

>>3772324
I was in the same spot 14 days ago, I was like:
>jrpg 3d western? with parry slop? it’s 100% going to be shit, they won’t do it right
but the more i watched videos, the more i felt like the game checked all my boxes, so i just went all in and pirated it. it’s a really good game.

>>3772286
>Persona is awful
Doesn't matter if you think the game is shit, their art direction in the UI and UX design of the menus and combat interface is some of the best in gaming.
Expedition 33's implementation is the exact opposite of that, while even intentionally choosing to change several things for the worse. Meaning their understanding of UX and UI is amateurish at best.

>>3772288
>It's 40/60 hours
Uh huh

>the guy was just replying to the first post
The post at >>3772169 was actively incentivizing flamewars by falling back on the same fucking tactic that dominates ALL E33 threads and makes up 99% of all E33 fanboy posts in these threads.
It's actively saying retarded shit like
>because the West made a good RPG for the first time in their lives
which shits on most games discussed on these boards people like. It was actively antagonistic and has NOTHING to do with the game itself or a discussion around it.

You're a fucking retard and I bet you made that post, then come bawling crying "woe is me". I told you to fuck off to /vg/, so why are you still here. You're clearly not here to even discuss the fucking game, just like every other fucking retarded fanboy of this game. It's like you fuckers haven't even played the game you're defending ffs.

>>3772431
>rushing the main story = the entire game
The game has a lot of side content, pictos, weapons to collect, and side bosses to fight. The pic you posted literally refutes you with its 40–60 hour playtime, just like I said.
It’s just more proof that you didn’t play the game and don’t know that in Act 3, you can rush to the end and ignore all the side content and important quests that expand on the lore, like Painted Alicia, Clea, Simon boss fight, and the max-level social links.
>It was actively antagonistic and has NOTHING to do with the game itself or a discussion around it
I don't know why you're getting this mad and seething about it. Sounds like you're a CRPG tourist who didn’t even play the game and got your feelings hurt when someone defending JRPGs hit back with the same coin. This board has always had JRPGs vs. CRPGs at each other’s throats because the genres don’t overlap at all. Diversity is a fucking meme, and you need to fuck off and stop getting your feelings hurt like a little woman.
You didn’t come here to discuss the game, you said it has no JRPG aspirations and that Shadow Hearts' Judgement Ring is better than the entire game, when QTEs aren’t even the main focus. Sounds like you got mad at that post and just wanted to shit on the game by making comparisons based on things you saw in a video.
It’s a shame this game is Western, because it makes retards like you feel welcome when that’s not the case at all. You're not the target audience.
>It's like you fuckers haven't even played the game you're defending
Pic related is my save. Can you do the same?

>>3772595
>This board has always had JRPGs vs. CRPGs at each other’s throats
alright link all the jrpg vs wrpg threads in the catalog

>>3772595
>This board has always had JRPGs vs. CRPGs at each other’s throats because the genres don’t overlap at all. Diversity is a fucking meme
wut?

>>3772608
>>3772612
https://arch.b4k.dev/vrpg/thread/3763044/#q3763044
not even a month ago
slow board BTW

>>3772613
no, i know newfags like to do us vs. them threads constantly.
but what's
>Diversity is a fucking meme
mean?

>>3772615
WRPGs and JRPGs are so fucking different from each other that you may as well call them a different race, and that guy reaction coming into a JRPG thread and crying about WRPGs is like going to Japan and calling everyone racist for not letting you fuck the place up.

>>3772621
wrpg isn't a thing to begin with. they aren't even the same race either.
bg clones are way different than tesshit and different than diablo clones and different than blobbers.

>>3772621
which was dumb when they decided to have the Expedition 33 people have a discussion with Hajime Tabata about WPRG vs JRPG when a hack was picked for the JRPG side.

it's like getting Sam Winkler to talk about video game writing, HE SUCKS AT IT

>>3772595
Newsflash, most people aren't playing completionist for games. Because that means 100%:ing the game. You slapped that on the box or tried to tell people "no it's 60 hours long dude!" you would be disingenuous and effectively lying.
This is even more true when you're talking about the average length, as in if a game is short or not.

The appeal of the game is even that it's a short linear game for people that want to be railroaded a story with a bunch of cutscenes.

>>3772595
>The game has a lot of side content, pictos, weapons to collect, and side bosses to fight. The pic you posted literally refutes
A completionist does absolutely everything there is to do in a game. That is not how most players play. So to call a game 60 hours long if you do everything, but it would otherwise for example be 15 with the average amount of side stuff most people do, that would automatically mean (in case you're dense) for most players it's not a 60 hour game. This is even factoring in HLTB is mostly used (and tracked) by slightly more hardcore players, which skews the numbers even more.
I could laborously keep explaining this to you, but it's clear you're not rational or open minded, so why bother. You just want to argue.

>I don't know why you're getting this mad and seething about it. Sounds like you're a CRPG tourist
You outright incite flamewars and then play the vitctim card. Jesus christ. You outright ADMIT right now to trolling.

>someone defending JRPGs hit back with the same coin. This board has always had JRPGs vs. CRPGs
Wrong you idiot. Even if for the sake of argument that was true, does it suddenly make it ok for you to start trolling? ESPECIALLY when you claim you want to discuss the game? Which for the record, you and no one else is still not doing (partially because you started trolling from minute 1).
Then to top it off you throw up your hands and claim to be blameless.

Jesus fucking christ, every single thread and every single E33 fanboy EXCLUSIVELY only does this. Never discusses the game. I don't know if it's shilling, insecurity or just plain trolling, but this is quite possibly the worst fanbase on this board.
Other fanbases at least discuss the game, but that NEVER fucking happens in E33 threads and the E33 fanboys always and constantly tries to start shit and then play victims.

I'll be nice and stop feeding your trolling, so you can do what you claim to want and actually start discussing the game instead of trolling.

>>3772753
>bunch of cutscenes
4 hours of cutscenes in a 40 hour game is below average for modern RPGs. And yes, it's 40 hours because the side content has cutscenes too. If you just rush the main story, you'll miss a lot.
>>3772767
Are you the mod of HLTB? Why are you defending the site like it’s the absolute, objective truth when only 3 "hardcore gamers" played the top ero JRPG that got a GOTY mention from IGN Japan in 2018?
https://howlongtobeat.com/game/90554
It's honestly hilarious how you got completely BTFO and then immediately started pretending you're some innocent saint who didn’t derail the thread, like it was all my fault. If I was supposed to ignore the post calling it “jarpig slopa” then why didn’t you ignore mine instead of turning it into a circus? I actually addressed your points, but you ignored everything. Why? Because you didn’t even play the game and just wanted to rant about WRPGs and CRPGs. But since you saw that the game looks nothing like a WRPG aside from the European storytelling, you’re trying to bring it down out of spite for JRPGs. It’s wild how someone can be this disconnected and still feel entitled to an opinion.
Kill yourself insecure sissy, This is my last (You)

>>3772627
>when a hack was picked for the JRPG side
Literally of the E33 people are hacks that made slop for casual normies and got extremely lucky. Considering them an authority on anything is laughable.

>>3772790
>left the door open to see if he would stop shitposting and discussing the op game, as he said he would
>instead chose to shitpost more and will keep shitposting

Expedition 33 fanboys everyone. Utterly incapable of discussing a game they supposedly love.

>>3772792
>normies
>not normalfag
cute 2025 newfag

>>3772797
>newfag just discovered 4chan and only knows 2025 lingo
No wonder the board quality is down.

>>3772803
"normie" was made by redditors because "normalfag" is too offensive
no need to thank the spoonfeeding, new2025chad

>>3772165 First post
>lmao go to /vg/ jarpig slop eater
>>3772431 (same guy)
>I told you to fuck off to /vg/ (confirmed he was the first post)
>>3772767 (same guy)
>Wrong you idiot. Even if for the sake of argument that was true, does it suddenly make it ok for you to start trolling? ESPECIALLY when you claim you want to discuss the game? Which for the record, you and no one else is still not doing (partially because you started trolling from minute 1).
Then to top it off you throw up your hands and claim to be blameless
What explains this guy? Is he being paid to shitpost and kill all discussion of the game? He’s complaining about shitposting and flame wars when he himself started it all?

>>3772812
he admitted that he was shitposting here
>>3772310
>>3772316
all this time, you’ve been wasting your time on a shitposter

>>3772812
>keeps shitposting instead of discussing the game while playing the victim card after >>3772169

You keep proving with every single post you have zero interest in discussing Expedition 33 and just want to keep shitposting.
No one is stopping you form discussing the game, but you're not even trying.

>>3772820
Refuting all your shitposts while discussing the game elements is also a form of discussion, even though it’s in bad faith, as you confirmed here:
>>3772165
>>3772310
>>3772316

>>3772806
Not only are you ignorant of 4chan history, but general history. How many years have you been on 4chan? 2? 3? You're the definition of newfag, someone trying way too hard to fit in. The fact you even keep tabs on leddit means you most likely came from there and frequent it still. So maybe you should go back.

>>3772830
they "made" the word in the sense of using it to replace "normalfag," not literally creating it

>>3772829
>Refuting all your shitposts
There is no refuting. The post at >>3772169 objectively set out to antagonize people, not discuss the game.
99% of this thread is you or your buttbuddies shitposting and not discussing the game while every single time playing the victim card.
Also I know this is news to you, but I am not those posters your irrelevant "evidence" proclaimed. I would post a screenshot but you would just scream that it's shooped.

I even told you you should start discussing the game, but you keep sticking to shitposting instead.

You are factually not here to discuss the game, only shitpost and to troll people. You are utterly incapable of discussing Expedition 33. You simpy cannot do it. You will prove this with your next shitpost troll reply because you cannot help yourself.

>>3772834
>Also I know this is news to you, but I am not those posters your irrelevant "evidence" proclaimed.
Explain this:
>>3772165
>lmao go to /vg/ jarpig slop eater
>>3772431
>I told you to fuck off to /vg/
>actively incentivizing flamewars by falling back on the same fucking tactic that dominates ALL E33 threads and makes up 99% of all E33 fanboy posts in these threads.
Literally the same spacing and shitpost nonsense you’re using, you’re not fooling anyone here, you are the first poster.
What is there to discuss when the only material in the thread is your autism? I might as well take your warning and go back to >>>/vg/e33

>>3772841
>You are utterly incapable of discussing Expedition 33. You simpy cannot do it. You will prove this with your next shitpost troll reply because you cannot help yourself.

Thanks for proving I'm right and conceding to my point, no need to waste more time on you. Maybe you'll get lucky and manage to bait someone else with your trolling, since clearly you are not here to discuss Expedition 33. Just like all the other fandrones of E33.

both of you need to get into an asylum, holy shit

>>3772792
>Considering them an authority on anything is laughable.

I trust the E33 people more than the guy who made FFXV the most casual game ever made:
http://www.novacrystallis.com/2014/09/with-final-fantasy-xv-i-do-want-to-make-it-more-casual-says-tabata/

>>3772999
forgot webm

his game is a masterpiece. Regardless if it's WRPG or JRPG, who cares?
Go play the game and have fun,.

>>3772973
>blacksouls slopper
>thinking his opinion is valid anywhere
lol. lmao.

but is it woook?

>>3773005
>play the game
>and have fun
Asking too much, what next?
>have a positive interaction with another human being

>>3772429
Can you provid4es examples of UI and UX design E33 change it for the worse? I know that persona is great in this department, but I can't understand what are you talking about sayin the menus are so fucked up. It's just normal.

>>3772829
Why are you quoting 2 of my posts while replying to another, anon? Are you one of those head cases who can't handle anonymous posting and can't read posting styles?

>>3772164 (OP)
Have the devs spoke of any future plans yet?

>>3772164 (OP)
I'm at the endgame clearing out optional areas and I don't get why everything one shots my party while they have gigantic HP bars that barely go down even when we are hitting at least 100k per turn.
Maybe it's because I'm playing on expert or there's some hidden level scaling and my party is underleveled but feels like the balance is way off with some of these areas.

>>3774795
Are you completely ignoring pictos and weapon passives? The game becomes very easy to break once you're in Act 3, any character can become a murder machine if you build them right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW-sIvP4G-8

>>3773016
it was made by racists

>>3775880
>white people made one of the GOAT games of all time
How can we stop this from happening again

>>3775880
Good

>>3776196
>white people
but the pic says they refused to hire non-coloreds

Imma play it rn. Don't know anything about it

>>3776207
google translation is shit

>>3776310
>ok you made a GOTY big whoop
>but how about your problem
Sounds like the studio DOESN'T have a problem. What is it with bitches seeking something, anything to bitch about?

>>3772164 (OP)
It's good

>>3772169
> to be inspired by the Japanese.
JRPGs are all Ultima clones put into shitty animus once graphics allowed it.

>>3772164 (OP)
Just finished it. Deserves all the praise it got. Fucking hell.

Game should of ended at Act 2

I went to this optional dungeon called Frozen Hearts before continuing and made it through despite being under leveled because everything had a really yawn inducing predictable attack pattern you had to parry on repeat and it kinda made me realize that the annoying repetitive attacks made battles take longer and and the parry mechanic invalidates most forms of actual strategy. I assume there's some way to remove the 9999 damage cap because combat just feels like a slog that's artificially prolonging battles at this point.

>>3784486
you have to be 12 year old

>>3784994
There is a way to break the 9999 cap but it's a plot unlock