Which RPG does the samurai job/class best?

If you count soulslikes then Nioh 1/2 easily.
If you don't then probably Shadowrun, funnily enough.

>>3772357
Shadowrun? What game? Agree on nioh.

>>3772366
Hong Kong

>>3772339 (OP)
BRAVE FENCER MUSASHI for the Sony Shitstation 1. It is the most realistic Samurai video game ever created and Square's most underrated title

>>3772339 (OP)
>Which RPG does the samurai job/class best?
Not even joking when I say FF14.

>>3772339 (OP)
Morrowind.
House Redoran
Steel katana
Robes, orcish/daedric armor
A jug of sujamma

>>3772461
shame that game is definitely not an rpg.

>>3774121
>create your own character
>levels
>stats
>extensive amount of skills
>gear
>quests
>story focus, with both good characters and story

>>3774175
ffxiv has as much "rpg" elements as tf2's nine class based gameplay with swappable loadouts does.
>muh gear
>muh stats
ilevel is the only thing that matters.

>>3774188
It's clear you haven't played FF14 if you compared it to TF2 and think it's basically not a JRPG.

>>3774189
>and think it's basically not a JRPG.
i played snes jrpgs with more horizontal progression than ffxiv

>>3774190
Please anon, use more new buzzwords you just learned but don't understand. Vertical failstate loop is another good one you can throw around regardless of context.

>>3772461
hate how this game has nerfed so many of the bosses and keeps gutting the gameplay. i fucking hate the new visual """upgrade""" as well. even the spells look like shit now, especially with that shitty blue smoke.

duh

>>3774190
Based. Xivfags and yoshi p shills btfo

samurai is just a knight from japan and a knight which is just a fighter from europe.

>>3772467
not a class

>>3774373
everything just boils down to melee/ranged/magic

>>3774373
a knight is more than just a "fighter", but you might need a soul to understand

>>3774395
define kuhniggit or gtfo

>>3774413
>define kuhniggit or gtfo

>>3772461
>press 1 2 3 1 4 5 1 6 six million times and then press 7 every 2 minutes to do ebin meme slash
>this is peak samurai fantasy to zivbucks
They even removed its counterattack and the ability where you sheath your katana to make your next attack do extra damage. It's pathetic

>>3774175
>Create your own character
That's the same as every other heterochromia catgirl or protagonist midlander.
>Levels
Don't matter because content sets you to the specific level it expects you to be able to clear it at, so you never actually get stronger, just unlock more content
>Stats
Item level is the only stat that matters, and when comparing pieces of the same item level the answer is always, ALWAYS Crit/Det. There's no choice or build variety here.
>Extensive amount of skills
"Do damage", "Do damage but only after you press your first ability", "Do damage but only after you press your second ability", and "Do lots of damage (two minute cooldown)", wow what an amazing variety of skills you've got here anon.
>Gear
See above where stats are mentioned, there's no functional difference between pieces of gear, no sidegrades, no unique items.
>Quests
Walk to place, talk to NPC, maybe kill 3 mobs, quest complete, wow what an amazing quest. There are a single digit amount of quests over the entire 10 year history of the game that actually have the most basic degree of puzzle solving or interesting unique mechanics to them.
>Story focus, with both good characters and story
Anon, you can't genuinely believe this after 6.2, and you SERIOUSLY can't genuinely believe this after dawntrail. There are no characters anymore, just one dimensional cutouts that repeat the current writer's political beliefs and prop up his OC catgirl.

I wouldn't even call FFXIV a game, let alone an RPG.

>>3774388
>not a class
You can name your class: Samurai.
ES you can roleplay a ronin/samurai but they aren't that good.

>>3774293
not an RPG albeit.

>>3774444
>skilled warrior
a fighter

>>3772339 (OP)
Not yakuza 8

>>3774240
>use more new buzzwords you just learned but don't understand.
>horizontal progression = progression that hinges on acquisition of new skills, abilities, tools rather than linear increases in power
you can stop crying now.

also, the salient point is that FFXIV has even less RPG elements than simplistic 16 bit SNES JRPGs where you can create unorthodox builds through mundane mechanical interactions. no, the job system, which probably has the most awful implementation I've ever seen in a video game, does not facilitate a good sense of progression.

>>3776928
let me add: ffxiv has terrible vertical progression as well, since you'll regularly outpace content and get level sync'd too.

>>3772339 (OP)
Gekokujo

>>3776928
Nice, more made up headcanon stuff. I'm sure that impressed the other rednecks in your town. Always funny to see someone not even at junior system designer level start talking about things his favorite shitty youtuber came up with.

Maybe I would actually care enough to educate you, if you weren't so very clearly biased and narrow-minded. Scratch that, it's actually funny to read, so keep going.

>>3777027
>zero argument
i accept your concession.

>>3777027
also, ywnbaw

Stranger of Paradise: Final Fantasy Origin.
fucking love that game
/thread

>>3777057
You don't even have an argument. You made up stuff or heard it from some youtuber which isn't even used professionally to try and sound credible when your entire idea you try to peddle stems from innate emotional bias.
Not only that, you think you're the authority on what is and what isn't an RPG while at the same time thinking anything you said refutes the MMORPG genre.
You're an overemotional and not very smart person that likes to play at being intelligent while plugging their ears to anything that doesn't align with this idea.
You'd have a better shot at fooling some random layman at least if you weren't so close-minded. Of course, the irony is that all of this will fall on deaf ears because you're overemotional and close-minded. Oh well.

>>3777027
I've seen you make this exact post many times. Why do you even come here?

>>3774373
I mean if you just want to go down to class mechanics, yes. But historically? No, they're not knights, knights are just the closest equivalent europeans have to describing them which is why we call that period of Japan feudal even though it operated nothing like feudalism, it's more for the sake of the western layman being able to picture that society without it coming across as incomprehensibly foreign to him.

This whole series is what you're looking for OP
Peak role playing and peak Samurai

>>3772339 (OP)
Kenshi

>>3777152
right, it's just roleplay fluff and setting shit.
human male professional warrior class.

>>3777183
Knights didn't do much fighting though. It is a title, not a profession. Fighting was done by either professional mercenaries (not knighted or ennobled, just paid, usually foreigners who had no connection to the lord's people so had no problem attacking them) or by peasants roused from the local lord's land.

>>3777072
>You don't even have an argument. You made up stuff or heard it from some youtuber which isn't even used professionally to try and sound credible when your entire idea you try to peddle stems from innate emotional bias.
not really.
>Not only that, you think you're the authority on what is and what isn't an RPG while at the same time thinking anything you said refutes the MMORPG genre.
who is talking about the mmorpg genre as a whole, exactly?
>You're an overemotional and not very smart person that likes to play at being intelligent while plugging their ears to anything that doesn't align with this idea.
no.
>You'd have a better shot at fooling some random layman at least if you weren't so close-minded. Of course, the irony is that all of this will fall on deaf ears because you're overemotional and close-minded. Oh well.
so where's the argument?

>>3777185
>Knights didn't do much fighting though. It is a title, not a profession
absolutely wrong

>>3777287
Yeah I'm sure David Beckham is going to lead a platoon in the SAS
Or do you really believe the fat inbred royals when their own stories say they were totally badass swordfighters out on the front line? Lmao, yeah and Teddy R was definitely a rootin tootin cowboy too.

Born in a world of strife

>>3777290
your class grudge blinds you. you're cherry-picking centuries.
not all knights are equal.
not all time periods are the same.
your blanket statement is ignorant and wrong.
even peasant levies weren't what you think.
i bet alexander the great really sticks in your class obsessed craw.

>>3777183
>human male professional warrior class.
Not really. Samurai has an entirely different context in Japan. It just was a rank of social status but it doesn't really mean much beyond that. You could be dirt poor but still be a samurai, and thus upper-class samurai (joshi) would treat lower-class samurai (kashi) like garbage.
Professional soldiers in Japan are bushi, not samurai. They just get conflated a lot in the west. You didn't even have to be a warrior at all to be a samurai, the only requirement was your dad was a samurai, because again it was a social class not a job description.

>>3778209
Forgot to say that the reason why samurai and bushi are so commonly equated in the west is because Japan was a very strictly heirarchical society so there wasn't a lot of ways to move up the social ladder...except one. If you were really, REALLY good at killing people, odds are eventually the lord you live under would grant your family the title of samurai.

>>3777653
>i bet alexander the great really sticks in your class obsessed craw.
...the son of a king became a king, and this is supposed to prove what?

>>3777290
>fat inbred royals
you realize that knighthood acted as a form of social mobility for the peasantry, right retard?

>>3778220
NTA, I don't care if you dislike Alexander or not, but your degenerate communist anti-great man drivel makes me sick.

>>3777152
>>3777185
Can you fuck off and stop spamming with your AI posts?

>>3778220
he led from the front. professional warrior. silver spoon led to an iron will. that bothers you, doesn't it?
but, okay, how about el cid?

>>3778209
so it shouldn't be an rpg class at all. i agree with that. just have fighters and create a character around that.

>>3777653
>>3778220
>>3778569
Alexander the Great isn't a great example. If you actually knew your history you'd know he owed most of his success to his father that built and trained the army, most likely assassinated his father, got lucky in war several times and then died and failed due to stupidity.

Someone like Gustavus Adolphus or something would be a better example since he revolutionized military warfare and earned the name "Father of Modern Warfare" and "the Great". Or many of the actually notable military leaders of history.

>>3778585
the point was about personally fighting in battles, sticking your neck out, not being a good ruler or commander. if you could read you'd know that.

>>3778588
>the point was about personally fighting in battles, sticking your neck out
So utterly meaningless since that's bog standard for warfare and normal soldiers did it. Literal participation award. Most leaders fighting personally at the front did so because they were stupid, thought they were immortal and were bad military leaders.

>>3778591
>Most leaders fighting personally at the front did so because they were stupid
More like badass.

>>3778591
i was responding to this, slow-kun.
>Knights didn't do much fighting though. It is a title, not a profession

we are talking about fighting mans here, this isn't a strategy vidya board. happy to help.

>>3772339 (OP)
Nethack

>>3777185
just love this meme now that this warrior elite caste in society consisting of well-nourished combatants trained in the martial arts actually never saw combat once in their life. any way to ennoble the peasant.

>>3778595
Which is also true, knights didn't fight that much and not all of them were even able to. This is also why they got so asspained when peasants got a hold of things like longbows, crossbows, pikes and such because they couldn't just easymode ride people down when they actually fought.
You've been watching too many movies and played too many games.

>>3779294
>to. This is also why they got so asspained when peasants got a hold of things like longbows, crossbows, pikes and such
this never happened. you don't know history.

>>3779294
seconding the other anon above me that you are a fucking retarded cunt.

>>3779283
rabble rousers, in their many forms, are incredibly superstitious with their "science" of human progress and denigrating any form of hierarchy, to the point where they are disconnected from humanity and history. being conditioned by others of their club, they think they have the real insight into the "scam" of human organization.

>>3779299
what's funny to me is that these "class conscious" individuals always interject with counterfactuals about how military men are only so strong and robust due to extraneous factors available to them as a result of their material conditions, yet seek to decouple the biological realities that stems from it as a result.

>>3779296
>this never happened
Holy fucking kek. The crossbow hate is one of the most well-known to the point where even people that know fuck all about history is aware of it.
Holy fucking shit, why do unculutered people like you even fuckign type on this board, top fucking kek.
Are you a burger? They tend to know nothing about history.

>>3779333
>The crossbow hate is one of the most well-known
yes, it's a meme that historylets like you repeat. crossbows were expensive and crossbowmen were elite troops.
you don't know history.
but, please, keep slapping yourself in the face.

>>3779333
Sasuga, gigaretard

>>3779283
There's a huge difference between "never" and "they were so fucking badass they fought all the time at the frontlines just like in my animes".
Knights were typically employed as shock troops in certain battles where they did a charge with their warhorses and lances/spears/swords, often from flanks against targets already engaged to break them.
Most "nobles" in war were minor ones that got higher positions that normal (and usually safer ones) due to nepotism.

Equating nobles or knights to being some super manly badass in war is so far removed from reality you've clearly been watching too many movies and playing too many games.

>>3779334
I like how you completely sidestepped the point while also proving your ignorance.
Well nevermind then, if you really want to wallow in ignorance and close-mindedness don't let me stop you from keeping your wet dreams about knights.

>>3779337
crossbows were never a peasant weapon, a few idiotic church members tried to fearmonger, basic preacher stuff, about them and it went nowhere. they were used for centuries by professionals and progressed alongside armour, you're repeating a bullshit meme based on a false modern idea of "peasant levies".

the fact is that you are operating under an illusion, just the same as the one you are railing against.

>>3779338
It's like you're intentionally and selectively retarded. This is the only reason you got this last reply. You selectively ignore and misinterpret things to align with what you already believe. Like how you completely ignored the mention of longbows and pikes to only focus on crossbows in a very particular scenario where crossbows were a new invention in very specific regions.
No wonder you're so ignorant, when it's intentional.

>>3779341
>i'm gonna stop replying and call you an idiot because i can't respond to anything specific
ok

>>3779344
>cherrypicks and misinterprets to suit cognitive biases while ignoring everything that doesn't fit into his close-minded idea, like saying a house is well renovated when you only added a new sink, but not replacing the rotten foundation, missing insulation and hole in the roof
Ok scratch that, you're not selectively retarded. Just simply retarded. Thanks for the clarification.

>>3779380
>more vague analogies
>didn't stop replying
impressive display of chutzpah

>>3778569
>>3778588
Yeah I know that sounds super daring in the context of warfare today but back in the day it was actually really hard to die in battle, like 90% of casualties in 90% of battles happened when one side's morale broke and they started to run, and then were cut down in the rout. Because when you think about it, pre-guns it's really hard to kill someone in melee combat when they also have a weapon and are simultaneously trying to kill you. Ancient battles were less battles like we think of them, and more like several thousand instances of individual murder happening at the same place.

>>3779573
so now it's not that they didn't fight, it's that fighting wasn't even dangerous. this cope keeps getting better. imagine the insecurity that is spawning this.

>>3774457
>Item level is the only stat that matters, and when comparing pieces of the same item level the answer is always, ALWAYS Crit/Det. There's no choice or build variety here.
This was one of the main reasons I quit the game. The second was the story was peak FF but constantly interrupted by meaningless bullshit that could've been an optional sidequest.

>>3774457
>Walk to place, talk to NPC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMP4HH7mct0

>>3779714
I wasn't the person you guys were originally were replying to. I don't discount Great Man Theory but I also think its proponents and critics think too simplistically. Yes, you need someone with the mind of Hitler to become Hitler, but that only takes you so far if society doesn't produce the conditions where a Hitler can rise to power in the first place. Genghis Khan happened to be born right when the tribes were weak enough from infighting that one guy could unify them.
This is why all boards need thread-specific IDs if for no other reason than that it kills samefagging

>>3772339 (OP)
Fakku! disagrees
The Samurai can bribed, just like old times.

>>3772467
is it any different from any other melee in morrowang
game feels like you're just slapping at the air

>>3779801
capitalizing on conditions is the essence of being a superior human. we are creatures of adaptation. i see no need to undermine the actions of the individual because of environmental circumstance or vice versa.

>>3776928
>only horizontal progression counts for RPGs because...it just does ok?!

>>3772339 (OP)
I want my samurai to be FLAMING.

What does the Samurai class do?

>>3772339 (OP)
FF6.

>>3783881
Knight variant that swaps some of the mounted combat progression for Duelist traits.

>>3772339 (OP)
>decent fighters
>don't really like adventuring
>prefer to wait near their liege for wartime mustering and join the armies
>lawful disposition, won't do espionage missions either
>just wait for daimyo to call up honorable battle
>simple as