Is this a good piratey game or is the cover a lie? As long as there is sailing I'm good. If not what is a good piratey game?

>>3776240 (OP)
Beyond piracy, let's talk about the ship/

The good
>A few nice shanties
> Rather than random overworld travelling on foot, you sail anbd find isalnds and do possibly many things out of standard order
>Ship battle mechanics exist and crew/resource management kinda matter
>non combat events do pop up
>you can technically be a pirate and go after non hostile ships

The bad
>Ship mechancis are ass and you usually just ram and do normal combat
>most islands that do not have plot heavy (as mandated by main or important sidequest( are like a bounty, a couple ocmbat encounter or a 2 level cave/dungeon. Not even many text events
>Quite a few things are gated if you do not have plot triggers and areas 15 levels higher are essentially gated too, so the payoff is 75% unintersing islands and events with not great payoff
>Reputation hits from piracy matter far less than you'd think

>>3776240 (OP)
The cover isn't exactly saying pirates, just sailing, and there sure is a lot of that
But anyway, no, it's not good. Not on that front, anyway. I actually enjoyed it, but the sailing and everything related to it (ship management, ship combat, boarding, all that jazz) was easily the weakest part as far as gameplay went.

>>3776240 (OP)
It's a great game with a cool colonialist setting but the actual ship mechanics are not that good

>>3776240 (OP)
You can think of it like the fantasy caribbean. So there are several factions, one of them is a pirate one. You can have several pirate party members. You can RP and dress up like a pirate. You crew your ship, upgrade your ship, travel around the islands and fight in ship battles (text or boarding).
It's not a pirate game, but there are pirate things in it.

May as well ask here. How's the multiclass system? I'm immediately skeptical, since 90% of the time splitting yourself like that in games just leaves the character sucking dick in two separate ways. I mean I can think of some PoE classes that'd synergize, but not so much situations where having both on one dude would be better than just having both in a party separately.

>>3776392
>How's the multiclass system?
I will use the word that will trigger some people: Balanced.
You can multiclass anything and it will be viable and work, while effectively turning you into a new "class" with a unique name (Barbaria+Chanted=Howler).
The drawback is that each individual class can't access their highest rank skills (which is there to make single classing viable), but most combinations are stronger as multiclass.

Naturally some combinations are better than others, especially depending on which subclass you pick.
Like a Paladin of the Bleak Walkers order + Cipher Soul Blade becomes and Inquisitor with very powerful melee attacks and synergy, which also helps compensate for some of the drawbacks of each class.

>>3776400
>Balanced
try boring

>>3776392
It works largely because there is non standard synergy of what abilities and effects stats feed. and few classes truly become that much better when they reach their highest skill.

Wizard may lose access to the top level spells, but gets stupid boosts to damage for certain spells or extra penetration . Or a paladin/wizard can be like DA:O blood mage who survives everything.

>>3776401
Yes I too prefer to have over half my choices be fake choices and be unviable. Like going to a buffe where half the food is poisoned and will give me dysentery.

>>3776248
Pretty much sums it up. There's a lot of california propaganda in the game and for me it seems that at some point they just gave up and rushed the game and most of the dlc. Feels more like a tech demo than anything else, which is a shame, I really like the way the game looks. Backgrounds are beautiful.

>>3776404
>unviable
it's a single player game you sperg

>>3776392
It's op and that's a good thing. Try to mix to caster or two melee classes for good synergy without meta. Barbarian, rogue, paladin or wizard, chanter, cypher.

>>3776404
>single player
>multiple difficulty choices
Viable for...what exactly?

>>3776407
I'm waiting for an elaborate reply with a point worth replying to and refuting. I'm sure you're capable of articulating yourself.

>>3776411
Considering it is a single player game with varied difficulty choices, you need to explain:
Viable for what?
Beating it on PoD? Then everything is, no question about it.
Doing the challenges? Playing solo? That cuts down a few, yes.

>>3776407
>>3776410
>the retarded anti balance fags got triggered and will now try to derail the thread

>>3776411
you're not gonna get one, sperg because your analogy was shit

>>3776412
I don't need to explain anything. You haven't even made a point or argument. You're the one claiming balance isn't needed or possibly (since you haven't even explained yourself) something you don't even want in a very binary manner (which is not how balance works anyway).

>>3776414
Good, I prefer shitposters stick to shitposting and not try and pretend to discuss things. Stick to what you're capable of, shitposting.

>>3776392
It's good and probably the only reason it's better than the first game.

>>3776416
I really cannot follow your rants.
I am simply asserting that all the classes are viable for a standard run of the game, even on the highest difficulty setting and upscaled, so no such thing as fake choices.
If this some high level shitposting, sorry for not noticing

>>3776416
>i don't need to explain anything!!! you need to!!!

>>3776392
ok so basically
the other games let you choose how many classes and how many levels do you want to multi
and this one just lets you mix the ability trees of two classes and that's it
so you don't get dysentery from too much choice i guess

>>3776419
You're the incoherent one.
The anon here >>3776401 stated "balance" is boring (or he wanted to call Deadfire as whole boring, but who knows since I'm not a mindreader).
Then the same anon (you?) said >>3776407 that it's a single player game, implying balance isn't necessary in a single player game (but since they can't articulate themselves, I'm only guessing).
Then you replied here to that chain of replies >>3776412 which in context is posed as I needing to prove balance.

If you wanted to ask about Deadfire's balance in particular, it would make more sense to not do so in a reply chain like the one you just did, but either adressed to no one or the initial post mentioning balance.

>>3776433
gms

>>3776421
I'm not the one that made the initial statement that balance is unimportant or boring and then not backing that up.

>>3776433
All classes are echnically viable. The game is balanced enough that no matter the class choice, you are given a variety of tools to make a build that works with multiple parties instead of being pigeonholed in a specific party setup, equipment etc that there are no 'fake choices'.
You are also an autistic retard that spergs like a petulant child.

All 3 things can be true without contradicting each other. You fucking retard

>>3776436
neither am i, seems like your ability to articulate yourself and to read with comprehension is not balanced enough

>>3776438
Ah, so you are illiterate and leaped to conclusions.
Try re-reading the thread again. Or if you prefer to be spoonfed, I wasn't talking about Deadfire, but replying to the idea that "balance is boring" with the argument of balance being more about not giving the player fake choice and emphasizing that with an analogy.

>>3776439
Hey if you don't feel up to even proving what you believe to be correct and only want to scream at people
>prove me wrong!!!!
don't let me stop you. If your kink is shitposting, you do you.

>>3776440
but no one said that, you illiterate sperg
you made that up in your head and are now arguing with yourself

>>3776442
Ah the mind of the mentally ill shitposter, incapable of basic human interaction. Good job derailing the thread and improving board quality.

>>3776443
oh i gotta love your self awareness

>someone mentioning balance shat up 75% of the thread already
kek

>>3776445
>someone
what a pitiful attempt at samefagging

>>3776240 (OP)
>implying ships = piratey game
nigger, what about the picrel cover says "pirates"?

it's not a pirates game, but it has several conflicting pirate factions and the are ships
if you want a game focused on pirating search elsewhere

>>3776455
>what about the picrel cover says "pirates"?
a nigger maybe?

>>3776392
>How's the multiclass system?
also
>>3776401
if you can't appreciate Deadfire's multiclass you are literally a subhuman and there is no other way of putting it

>>3776457
>multiclass
multi implies that you can take more than two and you can't lmao

>>3776433
>"balance" is boring
wrong
no balance = fake trap choices = boring
balance = more actual choices = not boring
>implying balance isn't necessary in a single player game
it may not be required, but a balanced game is more fun on average
>balanced options
see above
>balanced challenges
it's neither fun to be stomped with no chance of succeeding nor is it fun to completely steamroll with no friction
purely mathematically that means there is a maximum fun balance value somewhere in between

>>3776458
>t. retarded anon
adnd introduced multiclassing as a concept and that's what it's calling multiclass of 2 classes

like holy fuck how can you be this retarded, anon

>>3776462
f/m/t says hello you subtard
>that's what it's calling multiclass of 2 classes
no, that's dual-classing and it's a different mechanic
like holy fuck how can you be this retarded, anon

>>3776464
>no, that's dual-classing and it's a different mechanic
Dual-classing is for humans. Multi-classing is for non-humans. The standard multi-classing is with 2 classes.
Pathfinder is the game where you cheese the system and typically pick 3 or more, with value drops in 1 or two levels of a class while focusing on 2 or just 1 other ones.
Like Ember in Pathfinder WotR might take 1 level Sorcerer, but then put the rest of the levels in Witch and Loremaster. So it's still effectively 2 classes. The norm was always 2.

>>3776464
>some one is triggered by >>3776457
>naturally proves himself to be a subhuman in mere minutes
I stand corrected

>>3776469
>The standard multi-classing is with 2 classes
>standard
that's just your opinion and my point still stands
multiclass implies you can take more than two

>>3776474
wow you really took your time to search for an image just to btfo yourself?

>>3776475
>that's just your opinion and my point still stands
No, you have an opinion that for some reason the standard in multi-class systems is to pick 3 or more classes.

>multiclass implies you can take more than two
No, it means you can take more than one.
From a gameplay perspective it doesn't make sense to spread yourself thin in like 2 level each in 5 classes, unless you can cheese it because the rules weren't well designed. This only really happens in Pathfinder if you're going for extreme minmaxing anyway, where you pick value level 1 classes to cheese.

Regardless, this is just your opinion you want to play off as some universal truth. Which it isn't, until you can prove otherwise with facts.

>>3776476
you have outed yourself as someone who knows nothing on the subject
sit down bitch, be humble
you will talk when you are allowed to talk
you will be allowed to talk when you have something of value to say
which in your case is never
>search for an image
wait... what
is that subhuman for real?

>>3776479
>prove otherwise with facts
>>3776480
uh oh baby's having a melty

>>3776482
>multiclass of 2 classes is called multiclass not duelclass (which is an entirely different mechanic) proving >>3776464 anon to be retarded
>retards anon is engaging in some sort of sophism because he is one of those low IQ retards who can't admit he was wrong to save his life
you will only talk when you are allowed to talk

>>3776502
and multiclass still implies you can take more than two but it creates too much choice and deadfire babbies get dysentery

>>3776474
NTA but ok anon retard i will do it for you since you can't even argue in good faith
>A multiclass character improves in two or more classes simultaneously, his experience is divided equally
>a dual class starts with one, advancess to a moderate level and then changes to a second class and starts over

Deadfire classes start with two classes which are bing levelled simultaneously with perk points (ADND didn't have this system) assigned equally (every two or 3 levels you must pick one perk in each tree equally)
the character uses abilites of both classes with no restrictions
why do you argue in bad faith about this shit i can't comprehend, this is the least shit system in deadfire
even looking at the list of mulsticlasses, most of them are actually 2 classes together with only certain combinations being 3 (only 3 and all elven)

>>3776482
That is not a fact anon and disproves nothing.

Besides, this by far the pettiest and dumbest fucking thing to whine and shitpost about, holy shit. We're talking supreme autistic levels here. At the end of the day you're having a meltdown because Deafire has a multiclass system of 2 and wants to spend hours upon hours arguing about it.
Seek fucking help.

>>3776505
Silence, wench, you were not allowed to talk
also trying to impersonate a goldfish that can't remember previous statements from an hour ago so you can twist
>that's what I actually meant
is only making you look more retarded

>>3776527
yeah you meant dual so i corrected you and you don't sound tough but like a bullied bitch

sweet, a pedant thread

>>3776531
>t. picrel

I'm really sorry for asking about multiclassing
Mea Culpa
(But thank you for the answers)

>>3776248
I remember there being a rare random event if you’re a female character, a crew member will baits your chamber and ask for sex which is funny since it’s random and old and disgusting will ask it as well.

>Baseder

oh yeah, that happened
I still don't get it why some anons make such a big deal out of it

>>3778199
happens if your a man as well. old man just randomly asks for sex and i was disgusted.

>>3776392
I remember Chanter and Chiper being fun. Tried Fighter and Paladin but got bored real quick.

>>3776400
Monk+any martial class = machine gun melee, just like fightx/monk lvl 1 in nwn.

What I wanted to do the most was Cipher/Wizard, but even though it kinda works with the Psion subclass (Focus gain per second instead of by getting into melee), the action economy is still in the gutter.
But fuck it, guess I'll need to slog through for the sake of my concept. I guess it might be better when I'm actually running out of wizard casts in a given encounter, where the Cipher thing acts as a backup?

>>3778199
As the other anon said, happens regardless of sex. I played a noble and this filthy old guy was the only one asking for sex, it was hilarious. Everytime I told him to stop asking, and he just kept asking. Cali cuck writing, I reckon

>>3778623
>asking for sex
>cuck behavior

>>3778641
Men take, cucks ask.

>>3776392
It's good and all classes and multiclasses are viable on normal/hard, though some are obviously stronger than others. Only casters reallt have any strong reason to stay single class (for the most powerful spells), but even they can multiclass just fine and be incredibly strong anyway.

Weakest part of the game by far is the main plot, which is ass and makes no sense. Other than that, it's pretty fun with great itemization and I personally love the visual design.

>>3778649
It's true, the plot and story telling kill it for me. Not even touching it as dungeon crawler. The story isn't even fit for a 7th grader's assignment. It's hilariously bad.

>>3778735
Storytelling*

>>3778649
>>3778735
The storytelling is not bad, the core hook is.
The idea of constantly chasing after the statue of a benevolent god out to do... something, isn't an interesting hook for most. It's also impersonal to the player.
This is why Deadfire works better as a fuck around game and you eventually progress the main quest every now and again.

If we use Planescape, BG1, BG2 as examples
>Planescape, you have no memories, you're immortal and strange things are hunting you. The mystery is tied to the player character.
>BG1, a powerful bad guy kills your foster father and is out to kill you and there is a mystery surrounding the player character.
>BG2, a powerful bad guys imprisoned and tortured you and your friends and takes on of your friends (that broke you out), there is a mystery tied to the player character

>>3778645
you're fucking ridiculous

>>3778744
Plot = story. As you say, the story is bad, the storytelling as the pacing is bad. Hunt the big green dude, but find my dirty iron balls first. Its very important that you find the huge green dude, make haste!
>constant chase
Might've worked is it's a semi open world or if the statue vanished at some point. Spending two years cruising in the archipelago is bullshit, if every second counts.
>impersonal for the player
Well, it's not personal, but there's agency, as the player might die, too, if eothas resets everything. All in all the setting is completely unbelievable.
Poe is obviously much worse than the top 3 crpg of all time.

>>3778764
He fucked ridiculous or he fucked ridiculously?

>>3778766
>Plot = story.
a piece of media usually has more than one story line
this is especially true for videogames and rpgs specifically
you have the main plot but you also have several dozens stories weaved into it as separate quests, often arching from one quest to another

Deadfire's main questline is weak, but the storytelling it does along the way is pretty good
I especially enjoyed the BoW DLC

>>3778766
>but find my dirty iron balls first
also this is bullshit
deadfire is the game least guilty of world completely ignoring the main events

>>3778798
The dlcs are rather good. I liked even fff.
>storytelling
I wouldn't say it's a paradigm, but it might well be sevicable. It's aeons better than poe1.