Which PS1 BoF game should I play first? 3 or 4?

>>3780665 (OP)
IV is aesthetically the best looking PSX rpg

>>3780665 (OP)
Release order. 4 looks fantastic but 3 is a better game.

>>3780665 (OP)
If you're going to play both, you might as well play them in order.

>>3780665 (OP)
3 is better and shows more of the appeal of the series with the Dragon Gene and fusion system. It's also one of the rare games where you follow a protag as they grow up.

>>3780665 (OP)
three first
some tips
>don't use teepo till you have Fahl as a master
>when you first get nina run out of the cave super quick without fighting anything so you can build her masters later
>have her study under Mygas
>don't have ryu study under that Mygas
>have him study under Bunyan

Hot Take: play them backwards. I think 4 is the simplest and more straightforward and just looks real fucking nice. From there if you like 4 you can keep going backwards. Even the 1 and 2 are pretty good. But the further back you go the more rough around the edges they are. But even if you really like old school NES RPGs I think playing them backwards is still the most fun. 3 might be the best but 4 is a pretty straightforward enjoyable play through. And then 1 and 2 are pretty good if you like old style JRPGs or just really like the series after having played 4 and 3.

OP don't listen to this guy >>3780907
Or this one >>3781143

>>3781469
why not? I am giving good advice. If you want to max out Teepo you have to have him under fahl. I know that magic peeters out near the end of the game, but it's alright toward the middle.

>>3781143
>Even the 1 and 2 are pretty good.
1 is okay, but 2 is a piece of shit. The only people I know who actively enjoy BoF2 are people who cheat and/or hack it to boost experience and Zenny.

>>3780665 (OP)
3 is a better game, but 4 has a better story. 3 is set after 1 and 2, but 4 is either its own thing or a distant prequel to 1. 5 is also worth playing, but isn't a traditional jrpg.

>>3782556
>5 is also worth playing, but isn't a traditional jrpg.

or a good BoF game since using Dragon Mode will outright fuck you over, unless you are in the final battle

>>3782820
You can use it for literally every boss fight and not hit the limit. Stop being afraid of a timer bitch.

>>3780665 (OP)
I despised BOF4, but I was also a big fan of 3 and they play slightly different, so the reason I hate it has more to do with it being too much of a departure from 3. 3 has an open world to it, and 4 might have one that I don't remember, but I remember the first half of the game was constantly switching back and forth between two main characters, and it really hurt the pace of the game. It was also more annoying than interesting, because I did not give a fuck about the other guy. 3 had a neat story about a mysterious kid with powers and everyone learning about them, while this other major story plays out that I've completely forgotten over time, but still, it was more interesting watching Ryu develop as a character/person, and all the friends he made along the way.

>>3782889
This has been talked to death and that isn't even the biggest problems with the game. It just makes it crystal clear it's not a BoF game and also doesn't want the player to embrace the fantasy of transforming into cool dragons as much as possible, but the opposite.
It also signals a fundamental misunderstanding of good game design.

DQ is exclusively for weirdos that want something slightly different, not something good. Since even the combat is ass.

>>3782928
*cont
Also, they're completely separate stories I guess. None of what happened in 3 matters in 4. None of the characters knew each other and it was like a clean slate, with everyone generally filling a similar role but having no history. Which was really jarring because I know who they are and apparently they don't.

Bof 5 sucks every battle plays out the same

>>3782931
I never wasted any time on dragon transformations in BoF1-4, but actually had to do it for almost all the bosses in 5. Ergo, best BoF game.

>>3783025
You sucking isn't a good argument.

>>3780666
It has awful art direction and washed out colors. Objectively inferior to 3's amazing coming of age tale. The fucking antagonist is more interesting than the entire cast of 4.

>>3782889
it's not the fact it's a timer is why it's hated.

It's the fact that a Breath of Fire game goes "fuck you" for going Dragon Mode is why it's hated

>>3780665 (OP)
Why does 3 have a OE with station connected?

>>3780907
>don't use teepo till you have Fahl as a master
You mean Peco, and yeah, Peco is beastly on Fahl.

>when you first get nina run out of the cave super quick without fighting anything so you can build her masters later
For a casual playthrough, that level of meta-gaming is really unnecessary.

>have her study under Mygas
>don't have ryu study under that Mygas
>have him study under Bunyan
There are 3 routes that Ryu can take: Normal, Physical, Magical. Ryu is so overwhelmingly powerful it's really hard to fuck him up. Giotto can really try, but even hemmed up by the fish dude, well even then he's still very powerful.

For a normal Ryu it is perfectly acceptable and recommended to leave him unmastered. Going magic masters needlessly erode away his attack power. Going physical masters needlessly erode away his AP pool. Ryu doesn't really need a master at all.

For a physical Ryu? Yeah, keeping him on Bunyan and maybe some Deis to fix up some AP pool erosion might be a good idea, but your focus here is cheap, physical, dragon forms that can whoop a lot of ass, and that doesn't really come online until the 2nd romp to The Plant.

Magical Ryu is something else. Comes online earlier thanks to the Eldritch Gene. For that, it really does help to keep Ryu dead through the first portion of the game to get him on Mygas at level 1 so that you can get Mygas's skills before you leave Yrall. Magic Ball and Typhoon are Ryu's bread and butter as a mage. Magic Ryu is fortunate that his weapon draw in swords are so disgustingly good that he can still hit pretty damn hard, but meta gaming with magic Ryu is kind of necessary because magic *usually* falls off toward the second half of the game if you can't exploit enemy weaknesses. I mean blizzard in the Desert of Death is great, but that's enemy weaknesses for you, the few times where they're applicable. Ryu has the potential to be a beastly mage, but only if you know what you're doing. Probably not a good pick for a first-timer.

>>3783122
Anon, THE WHOLE GAME goes "fuck you" because in as sincere a way as I can describe, it is a "hate letter" to shitty JRPG trends and shitty JRPG players who were softened by years of the genre turning into glorified movie games.
If you got filtered, it's because you have insufficient skill.

>>3784593
No, it's actually that some of the lead management (specifically one) didn't want to work on Breath of Fire but wanted to do his own thing. Just like how some movie director can take on director-for-hire gigs of adaptions of books or something but then do their own thing or retrofit an existing script they had. It's ego.

This resulted in
>a game not at all like breath of fire in any way, removing almost all systems
>very experimental, with most things backfiring
>dabbling in unfamiliar systems, like TRPG grid combat, and doing a poor job of it
>doing things for no other reason than they're different, not good, like setting the game underground resulting in environment being brown and grey which made them very repetitive, dull and (ironically) uninspired
>the above extended to "hey, what if we took the core fantasy of transforming into a dragon and made it a bad thing!" which is just tone deaf, but also executed in the most boring uninspired way possible with just a number ticking, instead of something actually interesting while also still not having multiple dragon forms and the appeal is entirely extrinsic and shallow
>very small cast, resulting in less player freedom and inter-party interactions
>no world travel and very linear
If left in the hands of someone more competent, the idea of a dev just doing whatever the fuck they wanted in a sequel could've worked. Instead it killed the series and is now forgotten, while BoF1-4 are still the most talked about.

The game is a novelty. The kind you study under glass to see how a dev went rogue and fired in all directions and missing most shots. It's an underwhelming TRPG and a terrible BoF sequel, but you can still get some enjoyment out of it in the way a so bad it's good B-movie can.
Nothing more, nothing less.

>>3784593
>>3784598
Oh and in case you don't remember how ugly, brown dull the game looked.

>>3784593
>filtered

how about some actual defense of that garbage ass game

>>3784598
>>3784600
>>3784671
Filtered, low-D issue.

>>3784675
>filtered

how about some actual defense of that garbage ass game

>>3784600
DQ is aesthetically kino.

>>3780665 (OP)
Should I play the Gog version of BoF4 on PC or just emulate the PSX versions?

>>3784995
>cherrypicks a single shot from a cutscene when the game is 99% brown/grey stone and metal

it was even less kino and good looking than a ps1 game

>>3790284
Whole game's filled with scenery like that.

>>3790293
>Whole game's filled with scenery like that.
Vagrant Story? Sure.
DQ? Absolutely not. That game is aesthetically the worst in the series and is excessively brown and grey. But what can you expect when the idiot in charge placed the game underground and didn't consider the environments would get stale.

4 have some more rounded combat and master systems. The combo system is great and it's nice to be able to use all your characters at once. Overall it is an easier game. The characters are shallow and the story is not as deep as it wants to be. Enemies are a little dumb and bosses are just huge hit sponges.

3 is the game that best represents breath of fire, in my opinnion. The story is intriguing (although slow), Ryu is a badass both on plot and on battle and every character have it's own arc. The battle and master systems can be a little rough to catch on, but don't think too much about it. The enemies are more inteligent and bosses are tougher (the game tends to be easy, but it can get you if you are a first timer). Try out different elements and attacks and you will discover nice skills and unexpectaded reactions.

Also, the stories probably happen in the same world, but they are so far apart in time that you won't lose any continuity between them.

4 is a good game, but 3 is one of the greatest classical rpgs

>>3790301
vagrant story is brown as fuck. awful palette.

>>3790301
Yes, DQ is filled with scenery like that. Maybe you should play the game. I remember the schizo who always brings this game up out of the blue to seethe about them didn't even know it had a faerie colony.

>>3790693
Yeah, Dragon Quest is a very pretty series.

>>3790693
Anon, you saying
>n-no it totally has different locations... like a fearie colony!
doesn't refute anything when you spend 99% of the game looking at brown and grey environments.

The fact that DQ can't even be honest with themselves to this day is why threads always turns into shitshows when the game is mentioned.

>>3782820
>Dragon Mode will outright fuck you over
>>3782931
>doesn't want the player to embrace the fantasy of transforming into cool dragons as much as possible, but the opposite.
>>3784598
>"hey, what if we took the core fantasy of transforming into a dragon and made it a bad thing!"
The only game that could even begin to be described as letting you use dragon transformations as much as possible was BoF1 and that's because dragon forms don't have upkeep AP costs.

BoF2 is right out because a dragon attack costs the entire fucking AP bar, it's the most hostile system in the first 5 games.

BoF3 has a load of different, varied, dragon transformations, it's the best dragon system in the series by far... and no you the fuck can't use the dragon transformations as much as you want because this the first installment they put in the AP upkeep costs to remain in form.
I mean, sure, if you're dicking around on the world map going into random encounter arena/areas you can camp out super easy and regain all your lost AP so great for testing shit out. But in a dungeon? Especially early game, if you aren't grinding for AP recovering items? ... you're not transforming Ryu at all. You're trying to keep his AP bar as pristine as possible to unload on the boss at the end, because the bosses are designed to be little damage sponges to take a satisfying beating from a dragon.

BoF4 has a similar deal except not really because there's not really much experimentation you need to use the camping system for. You don't get a new dragon form beyond Aura for a long ass time anyway. Either way... you still save Aura for the boss because the boss is a little damage sponge designed to take a beating from a dragon. Don't want to gas out before the fight finishes, let alone before it even begins.

DQ has, in essence, the same design philosophy. One giant ass dungeon? You save the dragon powers for the bosses because the bosses are little damage sponges designed to take a dragon-sized beating.

>>3791358
>The only game that could even begin to be described as letting you use dragon transformations as much as possible was BoF1 and that's because dragon forms don't have upkeep AP costs.

That's like saying a spellcasting focused game where you play as a wizard is not spellcasting focused and doesn't want to to cast tons of spell becuase you have mana. Try and peddle your snakeoil retard logic elsewhere.

>DQ has, in essence, the same design philosophy.
At this point you're not even worth seriously replying to if you unironically believe this with how insanely delusional you are (not to mention how you disregard everything for this one reductive statement). Because it'd all be a waste of time and effort. As is the case with all DQ fanboy interactions.

Next time if you want to bait people into replying, try and veil your DQ fanboyism better.

>>3791358
>no akhsually u see a gaem that has a ton of dragon variants and forms dusn't akshually wunt u to transform into draguns a bunch!!!!1
fuck off

>>3791366
>That's like saying a spellcasting focused game where you play as a wizard is not spellcasting focused and doesn't want to to cast tons of spell becuase you have mana.
That's my point. The BoF games aren't focused on you using dragon powers as much as possible. BoF2 destroys that argument immediately. Ryu is no SMT: Nocturne demi-fiend doing demon shit every fight walking around as a half-demon. Ryu is predominately walking around as a warrior doing warrior shit.

>At this point you're not even worth seriously replying to if you unironically believe this with how insanely delusional you are (not to mention how you disregard everything for this one reductive statement).
Do you actually want a full refutation of all 3 posts?

>try and veil your DQ fanboyism better.
"My arguments can't be bad!! Y-you're just a f-fanboy! That's what you a-are! The o-only logical conclusion is that you're a f-fanboy!"
Okay.

>>3791366
Ignoring for the sake of argument the fact Ryu can't transform into almost half of those forms, what times would you use a dragon transformation outside of a boss fight or a tricky random encounter? Beyond just dicking around where camping is freely available?

No really.

So you enter in a standard, bargain-bin, random encounter. You decide to unleash the dragon. Okay, so it takes one turn for Ryu to transform. Ryu gets dinged 1 turn of upkeep cost just to maintain the form. Ryu's dragon forms tend not to be fast so he doesn't even get an EX turn. So by the time Ryu is ready to dragon punch something straight to the moon... your two buddies probably have already mopped up the floor with the enemies or just about gotten the job done. If there even is a remainder, then the remainder of the trash probably only needed a 1-tap or a 2-tap from Ryu's sword so either the battle would've been done earlier if you hadn't transformed or you'd be done at about the same time only Ryu's sword taps are free and you wouldn't be down the AP cost.

>>3791729
>no akhsually u see a gaem that has a ton of dragon variants and forms dusn't akshually wunt u to transform into draguns a bunch!!!!1
stop breaking global rules, fag

>>3791854
>I camp outside Momo's Tower and farm Black Porgies for hours just to ensure Ryu never has to swing his sword once he unlocks Accession.
Why would Capcom create BoF2 and have the use of any single dragon ability consume all of Ryu's AP if Capcom's goal was to allow Ryu to use dragon powers "as much as possible"?

>PS1 BoF thread
>retards can't stop decades old slapfight over PS2 game
it's interesting how dead series have these stale repetitive arguments, almost enshrined into tradition. chrono cross vs trigger and ff* vs ff* are also in the same boat. the jrpg autist is a strange beast.

>>3791927
>dq = a single dragon form. use dragon form too much and it's game over or you are incapable of using it later due to said game over problem
>bof3 = no game over from using it, find several genes which require exploration, experimenting with combinations to find new forms, using different forms yields different abilities
>dq fag claims they incentivize turning into a dragon just as much
without fail, dq fagboys always shit up threads with their retarded shit. you fuckers should be locked up in an asylum

>>3791945
It's without fail always the insecure Dragon Quarter fanboys wanting either to shit on every other game in the series or defending every single aspect of Dragon Quarter while claiming it's just as much of a Breath of Fire game as the rest.
Every. Single. Time.

>>3791946
DQ = You use dragon form carelessly and you could get a game over.
BoF3 = You use dragon from carelessly and you can tap out mid dungeon and struggle with the boss, including game over.
BoF2 = You use dragon power once? Just once? AP bar is completely drained.

>>3792123
>no you see if you use your last potion that could mean a game over, which makes every rpg the same as the d-counter
you're one upping yourself with your retardation and proving the only thing dq fags care about is shitting up threads because of their massive insecurity, good job fucktard

>>3792123
>>3792125
samefag

>>3792125
>No you see the actual way to slot BoF2 into the series is to completely ignore it's existence because it nukes my central thesis

In other RPGs you can buy special ability bar restoring items. AP recovery items in BoF3 are more uncommon and rare. Btw, I find your projection amusing.

>>3792138
picrel.

>>3792205
anon, i know you've been here long enough to know how to edit the page source. stop harping on about bof5.

>>3780665 (OP)
3 is a sequel to 1 and 2, so you should play them in order. 4 is a prequel, so you can play it as a standalone.

>>3792365
>Implying I'd go through the effort.

>>3792205
>keeps shitting up the thread proving the point dq fags only come into threads to shit them up
and people wonder why this board despises dq fans

>>3791358
A hard lock on not being able to use dragon forms at all for the rest of the game unless you want to trigger a game over is not the same as running out of AP.
Only having 1 form is not the same as having +15 and additional variations.
Stop trying to try to equate the two. It's a night and day difference, no matter what mental gymnastics you resort to.
The entire point of BoF3 is that it wants the player to experiment with genes, find more genes and transform frequently. DQ was intentionally designed for the opposite, where you want to limit the usage as much as possible.
In BoF3 people could transform and experiment just for fun, in DQ you never did that because you wasted global game spanning usage and there was not a bunch of different forms.
Just stop.

>>3792544
>>3792548
Sure, I'll stop on one condition. Give the following question a direct and legit answer:
If it were Capcom's intent to have Ryu transform into dragons as much as possible, then why is it in BoF2 that a single use of a dragon power in combat completely drains Ryu's AP?

>>3792868
Why are there AP restoring items in BoF2 but no D-counter reduction in BoF5?

>>3792868
>Sure, I'll stop on one condition.
You'll stop shitting up the thread when proven wrong repeatedly? If people give in to your stupid demands. My, how nice and totally not juvenile.
Especially when your demand is a logical fallacy that you think proves the thing that has already been disproven, yet you chose to ignore.

You flat out ignored everything in post >>3792548 proving you are indeed by your own admission a close-minded insecure person that just wants to shit up threads.
By all means keep shitposting, hopefully that leads you to getting banned. This board doesn't need close-minded shitposters like you.

>>3792886
He's just retarded. This is just his one hail mary attempt he thinks can disprove everything that has been raised against him.
He ignores +10 things all disproving his moronic idea, you cannot convince him no matter the answer. He will just make up something else.
Don't give the idiot anymore attention.

>>3792868
>why is it in BoF2 that a single use of a dragon power in combat completely drains Ryu's AP?
Because it's an old game and they overestimated how powerful the dragon forms were. But AP can be restored and D Counter leads to game over. One has multiple forms while the other has one, so to even know which forms you prefer you would have to try them which in dragon quarter would bring you closer to game over.
One can be used infinitely without fear and be restored, the other has a hard cap and game over state.

BOF4 kiddies seething because they turn into an onion dragon and barely etch out a win against a random encounter of scrimblos while DQ chads transform into their nuclear demon dragon form and annihilate every single enemy in the entire game with 0 effort.

>>3792897
>needing the dragon form at all
skill issue
they should have made an actual tactical rpg instead of the metaprogression and superpowered form handholding

>>3792897
>bragging about having support wheels

>>3793066
>support wheels
weird way to out yourself as an ESL. DQ doesn't have training wheels either way and immediately kicks your ass onto a unicycle and says "ride or die, motherfucker."

>>3793162
weird way to sperg out because they have access to an op fallback to prevent any real challenge, but sperg and dq fanboy means the same thing so what can you expect

>>3793162
>and if you die just restart over and over. and if you can't beat the final boss just blast him with your D.
sounds like training wheels to me.

>>3793162
>ESL
I accept your concession

>>3793066
>dq
>support wheels
yeah maybe if for every meter you rode with support wheels you die a day earlier

>>3780665 (OP)
>literally subtitled with a FUCKING NUMBER
>which one do I play first, guys???
How are people this unironically retarded?

>>3782517
I like 2 a lot and I never did either of those things. I think you're projecting.

>>3793585
I blame fucking retards for spending their whole lives slurping bullshit about AVOID THE FIRST GAME ITS UNPOLISHED for everything.

>DQ fanboys are insecure and derail threads the moment their game gets rightfully shat one

truly the FF15 fans of the BoF series. FF15 fans derail threads when someone shits on that early access mess with a true ending novel

>>3793260
>and if you can't beat the final boss just blast him with your D.
Why are you so upset about a 20+ year old game you've never played?

>>3794286
DQ fags are insecure, that's why they're so easily triggered. Unfortunate side-effect of enjoy trash like DQ.

>>3793260
>and if you can't beat the final boss just blast him with your D.

fun fact: getting the D Counter over 100% aka THE GAME OVER CONDITION is the only way to beat the final boss of that abortion of a game.

game doesn't tell you that in this one specific moment that the game over condition is how you beat the game

>>3794439
>game doesn't tell you that in this one specific moment that the game over condition is how you beat the game
Yes, the game doesn't TELL you because it puts you in a situation where you basically have no other option but to try it and see what happens. Capcom puts a fair degree of trust in the player to put 2 and 2 together for that moment.

>>3794485
>Capcom puts a fair degree of trust in the player to put 2 and 2 together for that moment.

except when 99.9% of the game it's a "if this happens, it's a game over and I have to do NG+" scenario. Why would they think something different would happen in one poorly designed segment?

Why do you guys keep arguing about Dairy Queen? This is a Breath of Fire thread.

>>3794507
it's because someone talked shit about BoF5 and the "fanbase" for that game proceeded to ruin the thread, as usual

>>3793260
>>3794439
>>3794491
there's nothing else you can do during the final boss fight other than blast him with dbreath. stop watching videos on youtube and then pretending like you played the game.

>>3794514
>stop watching videos on youtube

Strawman "argument", you lose

>>3794515
No he's right the only way you wouldn't know that you quite literally cannot do anything else is if you didn't play the game or if you're clinically retarded. You got exposed and now you're assmad about it.

>>3794518
>he

stop samefagging

>>3794514
>beat a game 23 years ago
>s-ss-s-top watching youtubes
lmao, u kids r funni

>>3794439
You're unfathomably dumb, holy shit. Do everyone a favor a shut the fuck up. You're making DQ haters look bad.

>>3794554
>You're unfathomably dumb

says the one defending DQ

the DQ fag got BTFO in this thread and made a shitpositng thread >>3797731