is this game any good

>>3781995 (OP)
How can I, as a deep pool of RPG wisdom, pour my knowledge into you, a child's cup? You simply can't contain it yet. Grow yourself. Level up. Then return and ponder.

All games are good, all games are bad.

>>3781995 (OP)
Yes. But you should play it and see for yourself.

>>3781995 (OP)
Didnt like it. Mechanically it's alright.

Yes. The best atmosphere in the series.

>>3781995 (OP)
Probably the worst mainline but it's still decent.

>>3781995 (OP)
no, no it's not. play persona instead, it does everything better than smt. the only thing better about smt is the creepy atmosphere and melancholic environments.

>>3781995 (OP)
It's not just good it's a masterpiece

>>3781995 (OP)
The original release, yes. The remaster with crazy bloom, no.

>>3781995 (OP)
It is depending of what you want of an rpg.
If you are looking for an story heavy character development driven RPG then no.
Game is all about atmosphere, philosophy and dungeon crawlan.
No chatty hero, no power of friendship, no hours of exposition.
Its "do this dungeon, recruit and fuse demons, go to the next dungeon" heavy.

The only good smt is devil survivor

>>3782153
People figured out how to turn the bloom off afaik

>>3782180
>The most important part of an srpg is thoughtful positioning
>Positioning literally doesn't matter
>Game is grindslop on top of the evil options being cucked to unbelievable lengths
Shit survivor fans make goyslop fantasy tactics fan look sane

>>3782199
Be better

>>3782201
>The only thing shit survivor fans talk about are the meme dialogues and begging for a third game from modern shitlus

>>3782204
>modern shitlus
How they managed to make smt v bad two times

>>3782086
And the challenge. Persona is leagues easier than SMT. OP play Nocturne if you like mechanically sound turn-based JRPG combat, great music, and a challenge. The atmosphere is great.

it's good until you break it. the random encounters make older rpgs a slog though.

>>3782199
>>Positioning literally doesn't matter
Wrong. What does matter is rather you attack from the front of back, which is retarded. However how far you can move and using enemy skills to manipulate that and the opponent and vice versa is a very important part of it.

Surely you aren't fucking stupid enough to think it only counts if back attack do more damage, right?

>>3782402
He's talking about the fact that you can beat the game with any positioning, so it literally doesn't matter what you do.

No game except 1, 2 and SJ comes close in terms of atmosphere. 4 could of if you didn't have the annoying companions.

>>3782367
The remaster includes an easy mode DLC that reduces the encounter rate, and you can switch it on and off at your leisure.

>>3782412
You can beat any persona with any persona, so it literally doesn't matter what you do.

>>3782086
honestly the social link bullshit introduced in p3 ruined that subseries for me. i only really find the first three games playable. though even in the mainline smt games i prefer the ones where you have first person dungeons, and afaik only the amala dungeon is like that in nocturne.

>>3782440
Tartarus is garbage, so p4 and p5 are better

>>3782443
i've played some of 4, and honestly while the tv world is more fun, tartarus is fine. i like the actual dungeon crawling, i just fucking hate the social links

>>3782412
That's still wrong. You'll be nuked if all you do is just ryfh your guy within range of everyone.
>>3782440
Those games are shit even for PS1 RPGs. I swear, it's always hipsters that jerk off the 2s

>>3782086
I mean Persona 3 is very melancholic as well isn't it? I guess I'm not missing much then.

>>3782458
just admit you're a fake fan that got filtered by classic megaten and move on

>>3782464
fake fan is when you dont like garbage games

>>3782464
Classic megaten isn't hard and devil survivor isn't classic anyways. Besides my ass has beaten If... without cheats or looking up maps, so fuck you. Maybe know what your retarded ass is talking about first if you don't want people to call you out.

>>3782180
based
the best atmosphere for what SMT is and it's in a spin off game
DeSu 2 is fun as well but the tone is definitely off with autismal bunny MC

>>3782199
>thinks positioning doesn't matter
are you retar-
>thinks he has to grind
oh lol, my bad dude
didn't mean to bully someone with actual disabilities

Nocturne is good for a PS2 JRPG. If you want a good place to get into SMT though, I suggest 4 if you can find a ROM and get a 3DS emulator working. SMT 4 is my personal favorite atlus game, interesting story and setting, lots of demons so you'll learn how to fuse pretty easy, and the protag isn't good for nothing like in old megaten.

>>3782571
4's only flaw is the baffling stupid choice to lock hard mode behind ng+ only. At least with Metaphor you could hack the save file to let you play Regicide.

>>3781995 (OP)
demifiend loses to the tarnished

>>3782571
>protag isn't good for nothing like in old megaten.
What did he mean by this bros

>>3782349
SMT games being these epic hard rpgs is a meme passed around by people who've never played the games but know of the matador fight in 3. SMT usually has reverse difficulty curves. With a difficult beginning, easy mid game, and laughable end game. It's only really hard in the beginning when your skills, demons, and general options are limited.

>>3782763
I played Nocturne last year and I would not describe that final boss gauntlet as easy. Maybe if you're grinding/powergaming.

>>3782763
4 is like that, yes. Some entries are easier than others, some harder. For the average person, they are often more challenging than expected.

If OP has never played one before, it'll likely be a challenge.
>t. played every mainline SMT, except If, which is next

>>3782824
If... Isn't that hard at least, it's just tedious.

>>3783135
sloth dungeon: filtering those with adhd since 1994

>>3783150
Bro even with speed up that dungeon is ass. It's not an ADHD thing.

>>3783202
honestly, that's not even if...'s worst sin. that honor would go to inspiring the persona games.

>>3783202
>speed up
you didn't beat the game.

>>3783294
Whine harder
>>3783316
You didn't beat the game at all, so whatever.

>>3782763
>>3782781
This. It's not hard if you grind. If you don't grind you can easily get wiped in a single turn if you fuck up, enemy gets a crit, or you get back attacked.

>>3781995 (OP)
Honestly, overrated garbage
Gameplay is just not there

>>3782824
I can believe that. I recently finished 4 and realized I hit basically a complete team and build less than half way through. At the point I was just fusing for the sake of higher levels and transferring the same skills over and over for the rest of the game. Only time I added any new ones to the mix were when I finally got access to the 'karns and alignment almighty spells. I was really disappointed with the game all around though desu, which I know is apparently an unpopular opinion

>>3782781
>>3783716
Grinding doesn't do that much for you in nocturne relative to your average jrpg. Nocturnes really easy if you go a phys focused MC. I could see maybe finding the endgame a challenge if you went a mage though.

Pierce, focus, freikugal destroys everything.

>hardest boss in the game

>>3784647
Yeah I haven't gotten around to playing Nocturne, but I definitely noticed in Strange Journey that having a solid strategy and good preparation is the difference between a boss seeming impossible or being pretty doable. Your level/stats felt almost irrelevant.

How hard is Hard on the remaster? I've beaten IV on normal and V:V on hard.

>>3782086
Persona is babyshit for weebs and underage fags who don't play rpgs

>>3781995 (OP)
featuring Dante, from the Devil May Cry series

>>3785038
It can be pretty rough until you're past the amala network at the beginning but you should coast fine most of the game lol!!!!

>>3784663
I hate this little nigga like you wouldn't believe

>>3781995 (OP)
No, terrible franchise

>>3782199
>evil options being cucked to unbelievable lengths
DeSu 1 overclocked overlord ending is amazing though

>>3789448
what you didn't even fight god man the game literally cucks you

>>3789616
>I NEED TO FIGHT YHVH
go play apocalypse lmao

>>3783850
This but Persona 1 through 5.

>>3790175
Nah the first three were good. It's the addition of the social link bullshit that ruined the subseries.

>>3790210
>>3790175
Boring copy pasted NPC opinions

>>3790210
I also hate good games.

is the remaster decent or should i emulate the ps2 version?

>>3790845
Do either one. It really doesn't matter. If you want to save money just emulate the remaster on Yuzu or Ryujinx.

>>3790845
The remaster has a new localization with annoying modern slang but it also has some pretty decent quality of life features like manual skill inheritance and the optional easy mode.

>>3790983
>new localization
yeah, this is the kind of thing i was wondering about. but as long as it's not too egregious and if it comes with positive QoL changes and the base game isn't rebalanced/gutted that sounds ok
by >remaster i meant >steam version too. i didn't realise it even came out on console i thought it was just the PC release