Looking through my backlog of games in my steam and noticed last time i played this game was back in 2016.
Anything i should know b4 replaying this game again?
Few things I remember hating from my last playthrough was the god awful maze of sewers to get to talk to the nosferatu clan leader as well as getting insta killed by the werewolf on the observatory telescope map.

also curious why no one made more world of darkness shit into vidya rpgs.

stop drinking

>>3781999 (OP)
git gud

>>3781999 (OP)
try mods
clan quest adds 3rd quest hub instead of sewer shit, also allows you to join Sabbat
the trade off is jank and one troon(guy dies and reincarnates inside the body of his gf for some reason)

>>3782354
>and one troon
of course

>>3781999 (OP)
If you still have an old version of the unofficial patch, use that rather than a new one. New versions change shit for no reason.

There's a skip for the sewers. You can kill the Werewolf by reactivating the observatory power, and squishing it between the doors for the telescope.

>why no one made more world of darkness shit into vidya rpgs.

There isn't much of an incentive. You're much better off making your own urban fantasy game in-house as developer, and the current IP holder is forcing devs to use their awful newest edition as a basis.

The maze isn't that bad.

>>3781999 (OP)
Sadly, Bloodlines, being a Vampire adaptation, has attracted the craziest, most deranged mentally ill idiots to its modding scene. They are in a civil war of sorts between a turboautistic sociopath who insists on bringing back EVERY. LITTLE. THING left in the cutting room floor because it's "meant to be there" according to him and an absolutelly deranged tranny with a huge case of delirium tremens who feels xe is a part of some cult or something. This means there is currently no purelly vanilla option to mod this game in a way that you can still experience it without their obnoxious stupidity. The maze isn't that bad in my experience and the werewolf bit, iirc, is lore friendly in the way that you're not supposed to just 1v1 a creature of that kind.

Oh and fwiw I could complete the game without mods and had no crashes.

>>3784384
The sewer skip is among the "changed shit" that is only in the Plus Patch
>>3784473
Older versions of every patch ever made for this game are easily accessible
>>3784475
Did you play the gog version? I'm pretty sure you can't even launch the Steam version without mods.

>>3784734
It'd have to be the CD version, the GOG version has Wesp's patch baked in.

>>3784742
Yeah but I was thinking that other anon probably just installed the gog version without knowing that and assumed they were playing "without mods." I'm wondering how the CD version would work on modern computers, I guess it'd be possible.

>>3784754
It most likely wouldn't start.

is there an award for beating the original sewer without breaking sweat (i vaguely remembered it was very long and dumb but i didn't find it hard at all and was shocked when years later i found on the internet it filtered so many people) and killing the werewolf without looking it up in a walkthrough?

>>3781999 (OP)
Not an RPG

>>3784769
The sewer being hard is another Youtoober talking point, same as "Guns are bad until the end of the game" and "Nosferatu and Malkavian are bad for a first playthrough." Pretty big signs you're talking to somebody that hasn't actually played the game much. I think the sewer took me maybe 20 minutes tops and that's for the first playthrough.

>>3781999 (OP)
This game is not and has never been good.
>>3784770
It is, it's just both a simplistic storyfag game system AND a poor video game adaptation of it.

>>3784769
Nope, entire game is braindead easy.

>>3784473
>and an absolutelly deranged tranny with a huge case of delirium tremens who feels xe is a part of some cult or something. This means there is currently no purelly vanilla option to mod this game in a way that you can still experience it without their obnoxious stupidity.
I have a patch that mixes the True and Unofficial patches together, so it actually stays vanilla but is more up to date with technical fixes. I played VtMB a lot before any fan patches became common and this is the closest way to have vanilla VtMB but working properly on a modern system. Even the Standard Mod Patch which claimed to undo extra changes by the Unofficial Patch started adding in its own random changes.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jhApzLHOp0oCSa4FWzxCvsVfivWywGM2/view

Also just curious to see what anyone else thinks of pic.

>>3785250
>Dolphinpornvirus.exe
Nice try, anon.

>>3784473
>and an absolutelly deranged tranny with a huge case of delirium tremens who feels xe is a part of some cult or something. This means there is currently no purelly vanilla option to mod this game in a way that you can still experience it without their obnoxious stupidity.
I have a patch that mixes the True and Unofficial patches together, so it actually stays vanilla but is more up to date with technical fixes. I played VtMB a lot before any fan patches became common and this is the closest way to have vanilla VtMB but working properly on a modern system. Even the Standard Mod Patch which claimed to undo extra changes by the Unofficial Patch started adding in its own random changes.

I'm not sure if it works with the GOG version. I tested it a long time ago and I think it had some problems. But it works if you get the Steam or original CD version.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jhApzLHOp0oCSa4FWzxCvsVfivWywGM2/view

Also just curious to see what anyone else thinks of pic.

>>3785252
>I'm not sure if it works with the GOG version
I think you can "de-patch" the gog version, so that should help. What do you think of pre-v10 Unofficial Patch? That's what I usually use. I believe there's also some other patch that speedrun trannies use to get that true puritan experience. There's also the True Patch for the truly mentally deranged. If you wanna work on your own patch that's cool, but you're entering a saturated, low-demand environment.

>>3782354
Giving this a try for the first time. Am I correct in my assumption that CE is just mechanical bloat?

>>3784772
You are not and never will be a woman.

>>3784771
>same as "Guns are bad until the end of the game"
To be fair, the only half-decent gun you can acquire in all of Santa Monica and Downtown is the Brokk 17c, but the benefit is that you can acquire it as soon as you find a cop.

>>3785272
>the only half-decent gun you can acquire in all of Santa Monica
if you start with a high firearms skill even the revolver is alright until you can get the shotgun. the shotgun is decent as long as you can handle getting close too and can mostly hold you over until hollywood when you get the good stuff.

>>3785269
Not as much pretentious feature bloat as Final Nights, it's mostly beloved by edgelords for adding a Sabbath path. It mostly adds new quests with questionable quality voice acting and writing (it's unbearable for me but hey give it a try).
>>3785272
The shotgun is not bad either, especially since most of the early game minibosses can just be easily kited around. In my experience, ignoring guns entirely makes Bishop Vick a lot tougher and having to save content for later because it's too hard makes me feel like a bitch.

>>3785266
I tested it again for a few minutes in the GOG version and it seemed to work okay. I don't remember what the problem was before but looks alright now. No guarantees though.

I see a lot of people saying the older versions are better for the Unofficial Patch. Might matter more for plus than basic. And yeah I think one speedrunner put out a version that leaves in all the bugs and stuff from the original release.

This was more of a personal thing I did just to use myself and only shared it after seeing people complaining about not being able to play vanilla. I posted it once or twice and then saw people talking about it months later so there might be a little demand for it. The True Patch is outdated and I didn't like all the extra stuff in the Unofficial Patch for basic when I wanted to play vanilla, and neither creator wanted to fix the problems. So I just took what I wanted from each patch for myself.

Why do people say Anarchs are the only faction that constantly helps you, even though they never ever pay you for your services (save for Isaac)?

>>3785341
Cammie wants money. Typical. You just, like, help each other out and stuff.

>>3785347
>Cammie wants money.
Those guns don't pay for themselves.

>>3781999 (OP)
I am not crazy! I know he swapped the sarcophagi. I know he slaughtered the Elizabeth Dane crew. It happened right off the coast of this city. As if I could ever overlook such a blatant violation of the Masquerade. Never. Never! I just – I just couldn’t prove it. He covered his tracks, he got the Sabbat to to spread false rumors of Gehenna. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He’s done worse. That forest fire! Are you telling me that a werewolf ambushes you out of nowhere and he just happens to be nearby to save you? No! He orchestrated it! Jack! He even got the Anarchs at the Last Round to cover for him! And I tolerated him! And I shouldn’t have. I even welcomed him into my domain with open arms! What was I thinking? He’ll never change. He’ll never change! Ever since he was Embraced, always scheming! Couldn’t keep his hands out of the Eternal Struggle! But not our Jack! Couldn’t be Smiling Jack! Jyhading them blind! And HE gets to be called an Elder? What a sick joke! I should’ve declared a Blood Hunt on him when I had the chance! …And you, you have to stop him! You-

>>3785571
More like LaGoy...

>Damsel is back there... Can I watch?

>LaCroix in the extended cut of his ending
https://youtu.be/G-jeCDlyHL0

>>3785341
They fell for it. They think Jack is actually helping them out of the kindness of his own heart when in fact he is playing them harder than anyone else in the game.

Granted, there is an argument that Nines objectively saves your ass from the Sabbat, and it's quite possible LaCroix wouldn't have decided to spare you if Nines didn't have his spergout in the theater. It's fair to want to pay him back for doing you that solid. Nines seems decently high humanity, but he does lose his cool if you disagree with him too much and in the independent ending he comes off as little better than anyone else, trying to get you to join his little club to the very last.

>>3788164
Yup. And Nines saves you out of principle, not compassion. The new prince arrives, makes a pompous show and wants to establish his authority by making an example of you and your Sire. So Nines relishes the opportunity to challenge his authority right away. Even if he likes you, you're just a Neonite and everyone is trying to use you.
I want to replay this, how do I install Clan Quest Mod if I have the GOG version? GOG comes with latest Unofficial Patch but apparently CQM installs a different version of the UP.

>>3788211
>saves you out of principle, not compassion
Him having principles already puts him above like 80% of Kindred.

>>3788882
Sure, he might be better than most but that does not mean he is good enough to be your handler. Ultimately, Beckett is the only vampire that didn't try to screw you over or at least use you and that's because he didn't really give a damn about you.

>>3788882
Most Kindred have principles, but over time they get eroded into nothing. Nines is less than a century old, give him time and he'll become the same kind of monster the current Nines despises.

>>3789186
More likely he'll meet Final Death.

>>3789186
>if a Kuei-Jin wasn't a faggot he'd be a Kindred
Uh-huh.

>>3781999 (OP)
>also curious why no one made more world of darkness shit into vidya rpgs.
you could try VTM redemption. it is considered to be worse than bloodlines and almost nobody discusses it but it is sort of neat if you are into the setting.

>>3789913
>it is considered to be worse than bloodlines
In terms of gameplay. Yes, Bloodlines doesn't have particularly great gameplay to begin with.

>>3789913
>it is considered to be worse than bloodlines
Only by zoomers who never played it
>t. played both

>>3790441
gen-x here, little millenial, vtm fan from 1994.
played both games at release
both suck.

>>3790441
Its controls are raw undiluted AIDS which made me drop it the first and only time I tried it. I think it was around 2003. I've seen anons give it praise and what's good in it seems to deserve it so I'm planning to give it a second chance eventually. There's a terrible draught now so it's fitting that games with significant flaws look more and more attractive.

>>3790431
Okay, I'll bite
Does it have a better story and dialogue based choice system that changes how things end up?
Or a lore dump on the world is all it does?

This is the only kindred in the whole game who doesn't emotionally abuse or manipulate you.

>>3794351
Well Beckett too I guess, but he's too much of a snob to be chill with.

>>3794351
>>3794353
and there's Nines. so yeah, not really "the only" at all

>>3781999 (OP)
>curious why no one made more world of darkness shit into vidya rpgs.
its cuz it flopped hard commercially and basically killed the studio
being a huge cult hit is cool and all, but it generally doesnt pay the bills, unfortunately
any studio cool enough to WANT to do a WoD RPG is too scared of going down with the ship if history repeats itself

>>3784473
>an absolutelly deranged tranny with a huge case of delirium tremens who feels xe is a part of some cult or something
lel is that the guy who made the unofficial """patch""" that fundamentally changes massive things all throughout the game and technically is just a modpack?. i remember the first time i played with that i thought i accidentally DLed some pre-modded re-pack or something.
nope, just trannys doin tranny thangs
im sure its even more bloated now

its a shame you can barely run the game on modern (or even relatively old) computers without it. bloodheal, alone, pretty much breaks the fucking game imo. and it gets far more questionable than that

>>3794351
>>3794353
>>3794369
And you all forgot Tung too. Gary also only asks for a favour.

You guys didn't open it, did you?

>>3794477
and lose out on all that treasure ?

>>3794369
>Nines
Is using you to conspire against LaCroix, even if his intentions aren't outright malevolent, you're more of a means to an end for him. Plus, he threatens you a number of times just for questioning the Anarch way of life.
>>3794473
>Tung
The first thing he admits to when you ask about his Ghoul is that he manipulated you.
>Gary
Has you running a wild goose chase to save his butt buddy, like every other higher up Kindred before you.

>>3794369
>Nines
Is using you as a pawn to conspire against LaCroix. Even if his intentions aren't outright malevolent towards you, you're more of a means to an end for him. Plus, he threatens you a number of times just for questioning the Anarch way of life.
>>3794473
>Tung
The first thing he admits to when you ask about his Ghoul is that he manipulated you.
>Gary
Has you running a wild goose chase to save his butt buddy, like every other higher up Kindred before him.

>>3794524
>Nines
Also note how he doesn't give a fuck about you after he forces LaCroix to spare you. He just leaves, pushing you into Camarilla's hands and returns only after you prove yourself to be a cockroach. The one guy who stands in for your sire and gives you a crash course in vampirism is also the person who orchestrated everything.
Nines is a cunt, just less than most of other vampires.

>>3794477
The bottle of estrogen pills? No, I read the label.

>>3794478
Based.

My Ventrue with maxxed out Fortitude, Stamina, and Dodge/Wits tanked that btw.

>>3794351
Because he's too depressed to care. I find it interesting how after the Society of Leopold captures him, he now wants to live despite the horrible torture they put him through.

>>3794353
Beckett really can't be bothered. Though I think he gets a bit too much credit, he does tell you to solo Bach and friends so he can spend more time looking at the sarcophagus.

>>3794524
>golden ghoul
Right, I haven't played a character who couldn't see through the ruse for a very long time, so after enough time of not playing I forgot there's even a ruse. The only good part of ageing is having memories of old games fade just enough to make replays better.
>Has you running a wild goose chase
From what I remember he doesn't know more than he tells the PC. He just asks to find what happened to one of his.

https://youtu.be/VOK4NtCkNGg

>>3794639
>half of the health bar is in aggravated already
There's probably a chance with the talisman.

>>3794644
I went at it with Fortitude + Bloodbuff initially before letting the timer run low enough for me to proc Frenzy. Also I don't have the gargoyle amulet since I didn't level Persuasion past the bonus you get from Scholarship.

>>3794646
So you survived?
>the bonus you get from Scholarship.
I no longer remember the thresholds and they have probably changed in the years of updates to the "patch".

>>3794647
>So you survived?
Yeah, I won pretty easily. My unarmed stat is pretty high as is, and Gangrels get insanely high STR from Frenzy.
>I no longer remember the thresholds and they have probably changed in the years of updates to the "patch".
Just running UP Basic. Scholarship adds to your Persuasion, but otherwise I'm just sticking to Intimidate for a social skill this time around.

>>3794648
>Scholarship adds to your Persuasion,
I thought you meant some of the bonuses you get from NPCs or reading manuals.
>but otherwise I'm just sticking to Intimidate for a social skill this time around.
My condolences.

>>3794649
>My condolences.
It's certainly inferior to Persuasion and Seduction, don't get me wrong, but there's some genuinely fun checks, like turning berserk on Samantha and going Frenzy in the middle of the streets before mauling her to death.

>>3794650
Yeah, but with there being like 5 dialogue options Intimidate enables it really sucks. If the team had enough time I'm sure they'd fix that but it is what it is now.

>>3794653
It is what it is. I mostly just like it for flavor reasons.

>>3794654
Variety is good.

i like vtmb

>Anything i should know b4 replaying this game again?
You'll probably want the latest Unofficial Patch (basic)
Sewers are easier to navigate if you mark explored corridors by dropping an item
Stealth is broken and OP as fuck, don't waste skill points on it
Guns are weak, but doable if you're determined
Malkavian and Nosferatu are good for a 2nd playthrough since they offer a different experience
Tremere and Nosferatu can get unique havens based on whom they side with

Other than that, just learn to love the jank and enjoy the game

>>3794953
>Malkavian and Nosferatu are good for a 2nd playthrough since they offer a different experience
they're also good for a first playthrough (for some people). i played malk first and it was great, replaying it was great too but not like that first playthrough which was still really unique. some posters have said they enjoyed nosferatu first as well. it might not be for everyone but saying they should only be done on a second playthrough is probably the most wrong thing anyone has ever said ever.

>>3794959
I didn't say you shouldn't play them first. OP is going for his second playthrough and I said he should consider playing either of those two, if he hasn't already.

>>3785571
https://vocaroo.com/1lwlDhOrGkh8

>>3794972
THAT FOREST FIRE

>>3794972
>that randomly stressed sentences
i can't fucking listen to that.
>Saahbat
lmao

>>3794972
LaCroix sounds more like a sissy than usual.

>>3794961
sry, got so used to people saying you should only play them second and never first

>>3794953
>Stealth is broken and OP as fuck, don't waste skill points on it
I think stealth skill is mediocre but its not a wasted investment. Just popping a Bloodbuff alone gives a notable improvement to your stealth capabilities. I'd only level it past 2 if I was running a pacifist vampire without Obfuscate though. Maybe a Nosferatu if I want to save blood points.
>Guns are weak, but doable if you're determined
Guns are only "weak" in Santa Monica and arguably Downtown. They pick up steam really fast once you get access to the Colt Anaconda and SPAS-15.

>>3795165
>Guns are only "weak" in Santa Monica
if you start with high firearms even the first revolver isn't too bad for what you encounter, and you get the shotgun in santa monica which is good if you can manage the spread

colt and spas are definitely my favorites though, using them on full auto is satisfying. i think the unofficial patch might change it but the lassiter killmatic does the most damage and you can get it in chinatown.

>>3795184
>if you start with high firearms even the first revolver isn't too bad for what you encounter
Eh, maybe. Problem with the shitty purse pistol is that it does incredibly low DPS while also needing to reload a lot. You're better off murdering a cop for their Brokk right out the gate imo.
>and you get the shotgun in santa monica which is good if you can manage the spread
I like the shotgun, yeah. Really good for dealing with corner chokes.
>colt and spas are definitely my favorites though, using them on full auto is satisfying. i think the unofficial patch might change it but the lassiter killmatic does the most damage and you can get it in chinatown.
Thoughts on the Steyr Aug? The recoil is surprisingly not that bad when zoomed in.

>>3795165
i just remember going up into guards' faces with zero sneak and them not noticing me at all. i'd feel bad levelling it any more.

>>3795190
>while also needing to reload a lot.
i wish the ranged stat increased your reloading speed too, i looked into modding that but apparently it's not possible

>Thoughts on the Steyr Aug? The recoil is surprisingly not that bad when zoomed in.
i like using it once i get my ranged stat high enough to minimize the sway, it works well using it almost like a low damage full auto sniper rifle. i didn't realize it at first at least in vanilla that it does less damage than the lassiter killmatic. i think the unofficial patch switched their damage values to make the aug do more damage in some version, i don't know if it's still like that but how useful it as after that might depend on what version you're playing.

>>3794351
he has a jewish facial structure

>>3795431
We're all bloodsucking parasites controlling mortal society here, friend.

>>3795438
the resemblance is uncanny
they have the same narrow forehead and close set eyes

>>3795431
I don't personally see it, but Isaac Abrams is 100% a jew.

>>3795450
>abrahamic religion
>last name abrams

>>3795476
Don't forget
>works at a jew-elry store
>is one of hollywood's primary financiers

>>3795450

>>3795450
It is LA. Jews are everywhere in the city and it was still okay to make fun of their stereotypical "LA Jew" accent when the game was made. It is actually really weird to me that anyone would ever doubt someone is a Jew in LA of all places in the states unless they argue the person is greek.

Now owrking in a jewelry store? That made me suspicious.

Venture Tower > Golden Temple.

Ming-Xiao is actually not that bad once I realized the "trick".
You spam as much directional swings as you can and never bother killing the small monsters since they just cause her to regrow her limbs. Just spread them away from Ming-Xiao when they grow large and deal with them then.

>>3794353
Beckett is an elder and has better things to do Beckett is a nice but, if you cross him or get in his way you are so fucking screwed. Don't fuck with Beckett if you know whats good for you.

Plus, Beckett has lots of enemies. Powerful scary enemies that are always hunting him. You might end up dead anyways.

>>3795450
Probably not.. In lore he was not a Jew.

>>3796646
>In lore he was not a Jew.

Let me guess, that's in the same dogshit book that claims Tourette is actually a fucking 6th gen.

>Anarchs talk a big game about opposing the Camarilla at every turn
>they still adopt all of their values like "muh masquerade", save for a more loosely bottom-up social structure rather than top-down (and even this is not universal)
The Camarilla are master moralists.
Anarchs are slave moralist cucks.

The only true ubermensch in the whole game is Andrei.

>>3798193
b-but, being anything other than a hylic slave is TRANNY.

>>3798317
Tzimisce are genuinely trannies. The flesh being clay and likening themselves as artists pretty much lends itself to them doing things like that and more as standard. if it wasn't for their anal retention of keeping up the traditions of etiquette you wouldn't even be able to dare think of visiting a Tzimisce.

>>3798360
>all this slander
Run back to your shitty bar in the ghetto.

>>3798527
Andrei wasn't transformed to look like that by being sired. He did that to himself.

>>3798657
He just wanted to look like a grotesque monster. Nothing wrong with that.

>>3798193
If the Sabbath were actually serious about their disrespect to the Masquerade, the existence of vampires would be common knowledge, and the Second Inquisition would wipe them out. Sabbath talks a big game, but the reality of the situation is not unknown to them.

>>3794972
That's pretty bad, AI can do much better.

>>3798705

>>3798704
Yeah because they get the Camarilla to clean up their sloppy seconds for them. That's just smart.

It's kinda crazy that no one has ever made a good World of Darkness based game.

>>3798895
Yeah, they made a great one with top tier atmosphere, memorable characters & writing, while also managing to seamlessly integrate multiple WoD icons (tzimisce, kue-jin, werewolves etc.) into the main narrative without it feeling forced.

>>3798906
What? You mean the broken half-finished mechanically awkward game? Bloodlines is loved despite it being a vidya RPG, not because of it.

>>3798932
>You mean the broken
Unofficial Patch
>half-finished
Hard disagree with this. It's designed very stringently around a 4-act structure with 4 main hubs to traverse, and only Chinatown is when the cracks begin to show. There's actually some pretty fun side-quests here (albeit a bit too easy for what it is save for one), but the main problem is that you have literally zero incentive to explore since the game is putting you on "borrowed time" at this point with story beat after story beat being thrown your way.
>mechanically awkward game?
This is quite true. I actually think the combat is decently okay when you get used to it though. It's only stealth that is truly and utterly terrible. Implementation of humanity could have been much better handled too.
>Bloodlines is loved despite it being a vidya RPG, not because of it.
That's a retarded argument. The whole game is very much designed with being an CRPG first and foremost in mind.

>>3798937
You praise it for the qualities it could just as easily display in a Youtube video. The fact is that it isn't a well made video game and there has never been a well-made video game made in any with any WoD splat.

>>3798947
>The fact
Yawn.

>>3798948
If Bloodlines honestly fits your standard of a well made video game, I think you do need some rest.
It's not like I'm looking to debate or convince you, blind devotion isn't going to change.

>>3798956
You just keep giving shit meme opinions.

>>3798193
>>3798704
Sabbat are very two-faced about the Masquerade. They like to mock the Camarilla for adhering to it, but also practice the "silence of the blood", which is like the Masquerade but you just have to kill any mortals that see you do vampire shit, rather than use general discretion. In fact, they only go out of their way to break the masquerade when they know the Camarilla is nearby to cover it up, to resource tax their foe. The smart Sabbat members know that they can't reveal themselves when they don't even rule the Kindred world.

>Second Inquisition
Please keep shitty V5 lore out of bloodlines threads.

>>3798978
Then again in classic there are so many supernatural things you cannot go 5 steps without stumbling into something and there is always enough people that you can kill several thousand real humans a week and it inexplicably won't depopulate the cities.

>>3799536
Honestly bro running a combined, crossover oWoD has always been acknowledged to be a non-functional mess. There's a reason even the official material waffles on if they actually share a setting or not.

I have no idea what's behind the recent trend to act as if there is merit to running an "everything is canon" oWoD.

>>3799569
Except mage players and really old groups there is this idea that everything in a tabletop game series is sort of cannon in its own microcosmic universe. Just because it is official material.

>>3799772
Sounds like autism to me.

>>3799783
geez. what a bitter nofun allowed response. do vtm players have to deal with cocksucking faggots like this one often?

Anybody else seen that Curseborne setting that some of the writers for VtM are making? Maybe one day that'll deliver an actual good cRPG.

>>3800055
lmao mad

>>3794369
>>3794473
^clueless neonates

>>3796447
golden temple has a better soundtrack

>>3800055
Masquerade players really love politics and Drama playing out from treachery and backstabbing. So yes but they do love having supernatural stuff in their games though but only so they can game it for more political games.

I've been asking myself something for a long time.
How hard would it be to give VtMB a spiritual successor?
What are the essential elements you would need to retain? What could you change, replace, improve or leave out?
Mechanically speaking, VtMB isn't much special, a 1st/3rd person character controller, a (shoddy) combat system, an inventory, a dialogue system, a quest system, ect.
My point being that you could toss it together out of free plugins right now.
Of course the important part is the story, the atmosphere, the characters and setting and vibes. But what does that mean? What parts are important?
I've actually asked this before, but one of the immediate points made was that White Wolf would tie you in red tape if you tried to make a rpg about vampires, but does it even have to be about vampires?
If I popped open Unity, or Unreal, or fucking Godot or Fallout New Vegas, and I tried making a RPG soaked with 200X goth/punk atmosphere, would that be close enough?
I want to know what people think.

>>3803702
For me, the essential elements are:
> urban fantasy
> underground (literal or metaphorical) life
> factionalism and power plays
> wack shit with earnest presentation
> city exploration-based gameplay
> simple point-based skill system, maybe perks
> first/third person preferred but not vital
Goth/punk subcultures aren't critical IMO. You could probably feasibly do it in 2000s Britain, 1910s Russian Empire or 1970s America without major losses, though another 2000s urban fantasy series could be a nice source of inspiration.

>>3781999 (OP)
its dogshit