What do you think of Final Fantasy 9?

>>3782096 (OP)
Great world, cast, and art direction. The combat is kind of slow and annoying at times, though.

I think this thread is very soon going to be filled with the inane ramblings of a schizo

>>3782096 (OP)

It is my favorite. It is the best game in the series and seeing the direction the IP took that´s not going to change. Ever.

I praise SE never realizes this and decide to leave it alone.

>>3782096 (OP)
For me, its tied for 3rd place alongside FF7 in my mental list. It has a pretty phenomenal story for an FF game, and a unique aesthetic. Ended up caring a lot about the cast, especially Vivi, Zidane, and Garnet. I've never been one for vidya romances, but Zidane and Garnet had the most realistic romance.

Mechanically, it's mostly fine, there's nothing really bad about it relative to other FFs. I've heard load times can be annoying but I was playing on PC.

The only bad things I can say about it are that the ATB is more than a bit unfair in the final few bosses (since they get to act to fast compared to your party), and the very end (post-Necron) is confusingly rushed story-wise.

But overall I love this game.

>>3782096 (OP)
Haha What is my gal Beatrix in there?
Sister thinks she is on the team.

>>3782096 (OP)
Everything but the combat is good.
It’s way too slow.

>>3782096 (OP)
See>>3782107 fpbp
>>3782129
It's much better than all other entries, still like 6 more. I played it as a grown man, so not nostalgia.

>>3782096 (OP)
Childish story and slow combat
Also overrated by its vocal fans

>>3782096 (OP)
I like it. A lot.

>>3782096 (OP)
Pros:
> Almost all the girls are extremely fuckable
> Decent story
> Comfy setting
> Battles are engaging if you have fast forward or a mod to speed them up
> Moddable
> Loli Present?
> Ladyboy Present?

Cons:
> Combat is as slow as old people fucking
> Gotta LLG to minmax stats - nightmare for powergamers
> Gotta speedrun to get best sword for Steiner - nightmare for completionists
> Fixed progression system to a large degree
> Ladyboy Present?

>>3782096 (OP)
the worst game of the FF golden age (6-10) mostly due to having a very weak story and endgame probably due to it being rushed out too soon and getting the B team

still a masterpiece compared to the shit after X

>>3782630
Quina most fuckable amirite?

>>3782632
I noticed FF IX didn't have an endgame. I wanted superbosses like FF VII had. I doubt they're adding anything like this in the remaster, but it would be cool. Felt lacking in that regard.

>>3782664
FFIX remake isnt a real thing

>>3782630
>Gotta LLG to minmax stats - nightmare for powergamers
? Ff games are easy sf

>>3782695
Pretty sure it's coming, but they will fuck up the art direction.

>>3782630
>Combat is as slow as old people fucking
Use a romhack to fix it.
>Gotta LLG to minmax stats - nightmare for powergamers
??? This is a jrpg sir.
>Gotta speedrun to get best sword for Steiner - nightmare for completionists
OH NOES, MY ULTIMATE SWORD+2 IS NOT AVAILABLE. Dude the speedrunning sword is garbage for what you have to do to reach it.
>Fixed progression system to a large degree
???? Sar, this is a jrpg.

>>3782632
>weak story
BAHAHAHA cmon man get out of here with that bait

It's funny how people either say this game has an amazing story or that the story is dogshit. Never any in between. I think I might be compelled to play this game next to see why the story is so polarizing

>>3782754
I mean, the story itself is rater weak, despite it being presented in a decent way. Not saying it's unfun, it's just weak.
>ff6
Bad mecha empire vs good rebels, empire get backstabbed
>ff7
Alien thing has cells that get implanted in soldiers and the experiments are loosing it
>ff8
Mind washed teeny mercs get hired by a witch to kill another witch
>ff9
Aliens from a planet brother invade and use bio weapons thst look like son goku
>ff10
Some dream from the past fights his real dad that's also a weapon of mass destruction, there's a cult, too
Those stories aren't exactly the best this planet has to offer. Each story has multiple plot holes, too.

>>3782096 (OP)
an okay game that really needs a speed up function

>>3782776
Japanese narrative structure often seem more concerned with backstories than about story and conflict in the present. The important conflicts are usually just whether characters can let go and move on from their pasts. Japanese Noh dramas are that way too.

>>3782838
>Japanese narrative structure
Nandato? That's a thing?! Noh dramas? Or Jo hyakyu? Do you know of any other narrative structures? I recently went o the list on Wikipedia and studied these. I wonder how and why they are established. That has to have a psychological and a sociological dimension to it, and ultimately, hence, a biological one.

>>3782840
>That's a thing?!
No it's mostly me extrapolating. I don't know if it's a concrete part of jo-hya-kyu. But I remember reading about it in a book about Japanese theater, I don't have the book here right now sadly, but at least that author seemed to think of it as a main important difference between traditional Japanese and traditional Western theater where Western theater is more focused on direct interpersonal conflict and the difference in viewpoints and different wills of the characters causing the friction and drama. While in especially Noh dramas interpersonal conflict isn't as important, it can exist but isn't necessary. And in Noh, there's only really one character that matters, the Shite, while the Waki acts almost like the eyes of the audience there to help reveal the main character (though there are exceptions where the waki has a more involved role). The whole focus on the main character letting go of the past and to stop clinging I guess ultimately comes from Buddhism since that's an important part of it.

>>3782883
>>3782838
It's fantastic, I was reading about it. Narrative structures for music, theater and books have destinct focuses, like the "I want" song in musicals. I learned a lot reading about it, after your post. A game with a good music scene is rare, can only think of ff6 and Ffx2.
>Noh
Japan in general has only one uber protag, think son goku m, any ryu or squall. They are stronger than the rest of their roaster. Buddhism plays a big role in noh or that approach in general.
Right now I'm looking for ways to combine western and eastern narrative structures.

>>3782663
>Quina most fuckable amirite?
Australian paws typed this post.

I know this is you, Casp. Gimme a video on the SaGa series.

>>3782736
>>Combat is as slow as old people fucking
>Use a romhack to fix it.
There isn't one on PS1. Also I mentioned it's moddable, why the attitude?

>>Gotta LLG to minmax stats - nightmare for powergamers
>??? This is a jrpg sir.
Assume my mod would make it harder.

Easy fix though: create multiple gear options per tier, and give each option different stat boosts.

>>Gotta speedrun to get best sword for Steiner - nightmare for completionists
>OH NOES, MY ULTIMATE SWORD+2 IS NOT AVAILABLE. Dude the speedrunning sword is garbage for what you have to do to reach it.
Why are you mad I'm not playing the game as you do?

>>Fixed progression system to a large degree
>???? Sar, this is a jrpg.
Stfu, there is no character customization at all compared to FF6. Zoomers are legit retarded.

>>3782898
>There isn't one on PS1.
Zoomies can't use technology, nws at 11:
https://romhackplaza.org/romhacks/final-fantasy-9-comprehensive-atb-enhancement-playstation/
>Why are you mad I'm not playing the game as you do?
I am not mad, i am just laughing at your zoomie adhd inability to waste your time for a semi useful item instead of playing the game normally.
>there is no character customization at all compared to FF6
Holy retarded Zoomie. FF6 is just 9 with less options in skills and a broken magic .

I just got to lindbloom and I'm still not sure if I like or dislike ff9.

>>3782916
FF6 is better than FF9, sorry
Better characters and a plot with higher stakes and scale
Gameplay-wise as well

>>3782916
It’s “film at 11” not “news at 11”. “Film at 11” is what the news would say, hence the meme.
Also ff9 sucks and ff6 is better, kthxbai

The best final fantasy, and the last real final fantasy. Second best would be 5, then 7 and 6 tie for third. Also chocobo hot'n'cold is the best minigame in any jrpg ever

>>3783436
Why film? The news anchor would say film after the news aired?

>>3783425
When I hear ff6 is the best, I wonder if they even beat the game.

ff6 is the best game up until roughly the world of ruin. After that, the story isn't really that compelling. I'm guessing you quit around there, while I finished it out of obligation. Good on you. I'm sure it's a much better game played your way. For people that finish games, ff9 and ff7 are better games.

I would like to know where you kept getting filtered in ff6? I'm guessing the Atma Weapon. It was kinda hard.

>>3782096 (OP)
I always found it charming, but didn't fully understand it when it came out. Only now, after having played some early FFs, do I fully appreciate it. This should have been FF8 and they should have kept the FF name for games like this, while FF8 should have been named something else and be the beginning of a new franchise which would include 8 and 10 and everything else that was called FF afterwards. Also Sakaguchi should have never directed that god-awful movie Spirits Within.

>>3783503
The story of FF9 is less compelling.
Too much pointless cutscenes.

Also whiniest FF fanbase ever.
Sure this one is just a particular screenshot but I see this kind of thing alot online from FF9fags.

>>3783586
>Too much pointless cutscenes.
Every jrpg ever

>>3783589
>uncalled for
Hey, your opinion is offensive! Kek.

not a lot of goonable female characters

>>3783637
why would you need more than Freya and Eiko?

>>3783645
Eikek and Daggarnet are not enough to carry the game for purposes of masturbation, even FF12 was more goonful

>>3783647
>hung up on dagger
imagine not wanting to fuck the rat

>>3783694
no, I'm not a furry, thanks

>>3783607
Ff9 had lots of those more thna Ff6

>>3783694
I can't even imagine.

>>3782916
>Zoomies can't use technology, nws at 11:
>https://romhackplaza.org/romhacks/final-fantasy-9-comprehensive-atb-enhancement-playstation/
I haven't looked at the mtf infested romhacking sites at all, genuinely didn't know.

Why didn't you link this to begin with? Trying to own?

>>Why are you mad I'm not playing the game as you do?
>I am not mad, i am just laughing at your zoomie adhd inability to waste your time for a semi useful item instead of playing the game normally.
I've played the game since it first came out. I'm old enough to get screwed over by the play online guide bs. Are you mad that I called out your low quality Something Awful tier posts?

I don't see the point in wasting an item slot on a bs quest.

>Holy retarded Zoomie. FF6 is just 9 with less options in skills and a broken magic .
Again, you're just mad that I called out your shitposts. If you want respect polish you're autism posts.

Saying that FF6 has less character customization is a lie. Also I'm discussing rebalancing, it's implied that one would fix the bs.

I'm not mad, just disappointed.

Like most FF games, it offers an amazing world with unique and interesting sidecharacters that are left outside of the equation.

When younger - between 7 and 16 years of age - I fantasized and imagined the life, interests etc... of the most interesting looking and reading side characters, I imagines alternated scenario tgat I would have liked to see in rpg games I theorized about the locations and their meaning and so on.

FF8 and FF9 were the ones where I did it the most, because there are really a lot of underdeveloped characters and underexplained places and locations that would massively benefit from enriched rewrites.

For instance: Fujin and Raijin from FF8 and Lani from FF9, they were stands out, I even thought Lani would have turned redeemed playable char (unique one, a female ace-wirlding bounty hunter berserker) but no instead, despite tgeir invilvememt in the plot, they are unceriminiously put aside.

And there are more characters like these ones that I wanted more fleshes out and at direct interaction with the main parties.

>>3783503
>After that, the story isn't really that compelling
The interesting part is in exploring the now ruined world, seeing how it changed, finding your old companions (or not) and seeing how they changed.
It can very well start with Cid dying and you as Celes trying to kill herself. The situation is bleak but the point is in trying to find hope in a ruined world while making it more open ended in terms of where to go and what to do.

Structurally and thematically it's one of the more interesting end of the game sections in RPGs. Calling that part bad is ludicrous.

>>3784602
It's a great idea and well executed. This same concept was also a lot of fun in divine divinity

>>3782096 (OP)
Excellent, possibly the peak of FF

My main gripes with it are to do with slowness, the battles take forever to set up.

A remaster that speeds all that up would be pure, undiluted kino. I've been thinking of playing the moguri romhack for the upscaled visuals too

>>3783637
>posts beatrix

Not really helping your case by posting pure mommyfuel, anon

9 is the weakest of the PSX FFs, and one of the most overrated overall. I would unironically rather play the plain original SNES versions of 4/5/6, which it is an homage to, than 9.

>>3784602
In WoR, I thought the Celes part was compelling, even more so when Cid dies. I think the mostly linear progression up through Setzer and his airship was pulled off well. After that it starts going bad. I do appreciate what FF6 tried to do, opening up many paths and freeing you to choose, but it failed in the execution.

Part of that was seeing what losers my party had become. I was unmoved by Terra's mommy issues. Cyan's obsession for that soldier's girl was weak, and fighting his mind demons was little better. Learning Locke's backstory as to why he is protective of women was a total letdown - I would have preferred mystery. And let's not forget Strago and the stupid monster.

Then there are the blah arcs: Sabin meeting Duncan, Gau getting picked up on the Veldt, Mog getting picked up in Narshe (if you missed the gold hairpin). Meh.

It's not all bad, but most of it sucks. I also can't think of an FF ending I like less than FF6. That said, it's a true testament to how good the middle of this game was, that we still think the game is great now. I like it still, despite it going to shit in WoR.

But FF6 << FF9. Not even close.

>>3782107
>The combat is kind of slow
That's an understatement.

>>3782096 (OP)
THIS IS NOW A NECRON THREAD!

>>3782096 (OP)
Worth trying, the game does a lot more right than wrong, and most of its issues come from it's age (lacking the customization of other FF games, more similar to 4/6, although there are a lot of abilities for characters to learn, they learn them from equipment and a lot of the abilities are character specific). The other big issue is the battles feel very slow, which is fixed by a speedup function.

If you can get over that wonkyness, it's great. I think it might be the 2nd best FF (after the GOAT, of course).

Beatrix is mid, sorry

>>3782630
>nightmare for powergamers
good, games should never be designed with any consideration for powergamers, who are narcissistic and stupid

>>3790004
>good, games should never be designed with any consideration for powergamers, who are narcissistic and stupid
Most powergamers want something where powergaming is impossible or it nets you drawbacks in other areas. AKA balance.

>>3783589
I mean, it doesn't help that the complaint he's responsing to is 99% childish whining to begin with. One good turn deserves another.

>>3789981
>The other big issue is the battles feel very slow, which is fixed by a speedup function.
This is wild to me because I played the game for the first time a few years ago and didn't have a single issue with the battle speed. On some occassions during hectic battles, I noticed that the action queue could get bogged down for a while, but it was never an issue during random battles, which were done in a turn or two, or I just ran from them.

Suddenly it feels like everyone is mad at FFIX for being "slow". It's become the game's version of "BUT JUNCTIONS", where people get hung up on one minor thing that's incredibly easy to deal with and talk as if it ruins the entire game.

>>3790306
>Most powergamers want something where powergaming is impossible or it nets you drawbacks in other areas. AKA balance.
That's not accurate, powergamers are typically looking to exploit game mechanics to give them the greatest edge, if anything a balanced game is harder for them to game, and thus less satisfying.

To put it in context: If you had a balanced game and there was one boss weak to fire damage a 'normal' player might notice this during their encounter and focus on fire attacks reducing the amount of time necessary to defeat the boss. A typical powergamer would respec and requip specifically for the fight and be using fire attacks from the get go. They're looking to exploit any semblance of balance. In order for it to be 'balanced' and satisfy the powergamer in your eyes there would be no weaknesses to exploit.

As far as balancing a game goes, this is very difficult to do when a player knows what to expect. In order to achieve this on a none-blind playthrough, you would need the game to dynamically adjust its difficulty. Ironically, this is something FF8 and Oblivion both tried to do by leveling up the world with the character, it may have fixed the grind-to-win aspect but it still doesn't prevent the player exploiting the fundamental mechanics.

>>3790333
Well for me power gaming is compulsive. For example grinding to level 80 against dustia & werewolves in Dalmasca Westersands in FF12 reduces the level grind later.

I want something which is balanced so I have no reason to do that.

>>3782096 (OP)
Really fun game. Interesting story, strong, likable characters, and absolutely gorgeous and immersive environments that still look good today, even in 240p. If you're a big FFfag like me, all the homages and references to the previous entries is just icing on the cake.

I do agree the combat can be a bit slow, but it's not really a huge issue. People act like it makes the game unplayable, and I really can't agree. My take is that you're already "wasting your time" by playing a video game, so getting sanctimonious about a battle that takes an extra minute or two is kind of weird behavior. It's like bitching about high sugar in your diet while eating a diet comprised entirely of Little Debbie products. If you need to have constant dompamine drip in order to enjoy a game, maybe try Candy Crush or Fruit Ninja?

>>3790370
>getting sanctimonious about a battle that takes an extra minute or two is kind of weird behavior.
this. I think it stems from the fact that brainlets already consider random battles as "time wasting", and it's all because of how they're presented; literally interrupting your progress with no warning to force you to do something else. It makes the player automatically view them as a chore.

But if you had a visible enemy on the overworld that gave the player a modicum of agency in beginning the battle (even if the battle were made ultimately unavoidable), I bet the "slow combat" complaints would drop by quite a lot, even if it were even slower than it is. For example, nobody really complains about the combat in Chrono Cross despite the fact that it's WAY slower and more tedious than FF9's. But people just don't see it because they suck at objective analysis, and their brains are easily tricked by very minor changes in context and presentation.

>>3790371
>Chrono Cross despite the fact that it's WAY slower
CC combat is so fucking slow it hurts my balls. It tricks you into thinking its fast, but really you're just spamming useless regular attacks on everyone just to build up your element grid to do something strong enough to (hopefully) end the fucking battle in a turn or two, and I cannot adequately describe how annoying it is to have a battle system where your first entire round is typically "filler". And the fact that you don't get EXP for battles is a slap in the face, especially in scenarios where you're forced to fight every enemy on the screen to proceed. Also, I think CC and Pokemon are the only two games to make me feel how painfully unreliable "90% accuracy" can be. Having to wait a whole round more just to fire off the move you wanted to from the start of battle is fucking excruciating. Just give me MP back, please.

CC was definitely one of those games that tried to "solve" turn-based combat and, in the process, fucked it up beyond reason

>>3790315
I'm the anon you replied to, and I love IX. Part of the issue with slow combat is that it adds up over all the battles fought throughout the game, and those extra seconds wear on you. I agree that hectic battles can have you scrambling to make decisions in time, but the "slowness" of battles also include the transition to the battle and the animations. The transition to the battle takes several seconds, as opposed to 6 or older games. Random battles means that you can experience these transition screens dozens of times each dungeon, and it does add up.
Personally, I replay them game on my PlayStation where I don't get the option of speedup, because I'm used to it, but it is a common complaint that is easily addressed.

I do agree that it does seem similar to the MUH JUNCTIONS complaints about 8, as an easy way to dismiss the entire game. Personally I don't like 8 for aesthetic and story reasons, but I was never on the FFh8tewagon.

>>3790748
>the "slowness" of battles also include the transition to the battle and the animations
People need to remember this was a necessary evil. They were limited by the PSX hardware and used the transitions/animation to hide loading times. It's easy to lose perspective but it was running on hardware that had 2Mb of RAM and 1Mb of VRAM.

This video gives you a good insight on what they were working with and the lengths some devs had to go to make things work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izxXGuVL21o

>>3790868
nothing to do with HW limitations, just a bad game overall.

>>3790910
You can dislike it's plot, artstyle and game mechanics as much as you like, I'm not going to disagree, it's not my favorite and I've yet to complete it single-player* despite a dozen or so attempts over the years. But you also have to recognize their ambition and the limits of the hardware they were working with. This is something many 'devs' of today don't understand, they expect hardware to brute force for them instead of optimizing what they have.

*for those not aware, the PSX version has a pseudo-multiplayer mode where you could assign different characters to different controllers. In our case I left my younger brother to play through the game while I helped out in the battles.

No Cloud, or Squall, can stop the thread, from being what is, and always shall be, one of Necron.

>>3782096 (OP)
Didn’t play

>>3782096 (OP)
Meh, but at least it's not 8

>>3782107
>The combat is kind of slow
I just started it the other day and it's kinda hilarious how badly it works with the ATB part.

>>3791446
i have the same exact opinion
but ff8 does have a more interesting story and vibe

>>3782107
This.
>>3794381
Equipping the party with auto haste is literally required. It doesn't even make the game go that much faster. Infact, the speed at which auto haste is set to should have been the base speed of the ATB meter, and haste should have been faster.
If that were fixed, I feel like people would enjoy FFIXs combat much more.

FFIX is decent. Not the best in the series, but I think the hate has been astroturfed only because people like/played the game now.

>>3794381
I didn't really have that big of a problem with the speed back when I played it, though tbf I played it on max battle speed AND with Wait on (where it pauses the ATB when you enter menus). The battle intros before you could start fighting were slow as FUCK though, you had to think twice before exploring new areas since even entering a battle and just fleeing took forever.

>>3795423
based, once again same opinion

>>3795423
>I think the hate has been astroturfed only because people like/played the game now.
The hate was honestly astroturfed to begin with. Most western FF fans got into the franchise through VII or VIII, then IX comes along with its "childish" fantasy design and has a hero with a tail.

Back in the day, most of my friends bashed FF9 without even playing it. It was a bad time in the western market for a cartoonish fantasy game with buckets of charm. That's just not what the audience was primed for.

>>3795586
>That's just not what the audience was primed for.
They still aren't ready for stuff like that, kek.

>>3795474
My biggest complaint with IX was the shitty fucking window color "customization" options. Although at least it HAD an option after VIII forced us to look at the same ugly gray for the whole game. Why the fuck is it GRAY!? What the fuck, Square? Let me have rainbow chocobo menus again.

>>3795740
At least we grew out of the compulsive need for "dark/edgy/mature", which was always just a superficial fixation from insecure boys. Plus, FF9 is pretty fucking dark, the game has like two genocides in the first half, lol. If anything, the pendulum swung too far in the other direction for a while, where people got triggered by actual bad things happening in media.

>>3782630
what ladyboy?

>>3796245
Kuja.

>>3782096 (OP)
Liked, not loved,trance is dogshit, zidane and garnet are both boring shits. The rest gets a solid pass.

>>3782096 (OP)
>thinking of
princess cunny

>>3782096 (OP)
Worst ff by far. Art direction went from cool and dark fantasy too zaney furry kiddy shit. Zidane is a ladyboy, garnet is 90% ass by body weight, Kuja is a retarded ladyboy, Steiner is 98% lard, Vivi is a retarded re-imagining of the black mage class from first game, Amaranth is completely irrelevant, loli was ugly as fuck, frog thing was a troon, Beatrix was not a main character...

But all of that is forgivable, except for fucking Freya. WHY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DID THEY MAKE A RAT FURRY, DRESS HER UP LIKE A FIREFIGHTER, AND HAVE HER DO A FUCKING RAINDANCE????? Why is she a main character? Why did they waste the dragoon class and honorable warrior archtype on this?

>>3799980
>trance is dogshit
This is really my biggest mechanical complaint. The game is piss easy and it's not like you even need trance, but I thought the concept was cool and I love how every character had a visual transformation into "trance mode". It just sucks you almost never get to use it under normal circumstances. 9 times out of 10, it came up for me in the last turn of some random battle where I didn't even need it.

The worst was Freya's because I love Dragoons and thought her Trance was super fucking awesome, but given how rarely they pop up, and how little time Freya spends in your party to begin with, I think I literally saw it once in my entire playthrough.

>>3800078
>WHY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DID THEY MAKE A RAT FURRY, DRESS HER UP LIKE A FIREFIGHTER, AND HAVE HER DO A FUCKING RAINDANCE?????
Amano's just based like that, I guess.

garnet always looks so sexy. hnng renaissance like blouses are hot

>>3800078
Holy shit it's like a post that time traveled here directly from 2001.

>>3782096 (OP)
Very overrated

Slow combat? There Is a romhack for it, google it.
There, all problems solved.

>>3801139
Excpet the lame characters, shit art style, stupid mechanics...
Unless... does the romhack fix all that, too?

>>3800917
>Holy shit it's like a post that time traveled here directly from 2001.
In 2001 we were still posting on Something Awful.

>>3801139
Trance still sucks though.

Eiko & Garnet are still mechanically almost identical.

Gameplay is still railroaded quite a bit.

Not much over world exploration in the non-Zidane party splits.

Amarant still not introduced or used until almost 40% of the way through the game.

>>3801505
I dunno how to make trance not suck besides giving everyone a skill or item to use which activates trance if available.

Garnet & Eiko are easy to rebalance, make Garnet the dedicated White Mage who can Summon a bit, and Eiko the dedicated Summoner who can cast White Magic a bit. Makes sense thematically with the characters back stories too.

The gameplay being railroaded isn't that bad if you get notices for points of no return (for a while) so you can explore. Especially overworld exploration.

Amarant should show up in one of these party splits for a while.

>>3783509
Amazing post. I love and fully agree with what you wrote here. I've always said that FFX is not a real Final Fantasy game and should have been called something else. I wouldn't have so much anger and detest towards it if it was called something else. Should have just been named 'Sins of Spira' or some shit. The Final Fantasy series has been shit ever since this garbage cringe shit game called FFX.

But it's the first time I'm seeing someone say FF9 should have been FF8. Which is a very interesting take and I support it. Even though I like FF8 a lot and it actually is a real FF game.. I just really wish it's artstyle didn't end up becoming the defacto artstyle for everything that came after.

>>3783589
IX is my favorite ff and one of my all time favorite games and literally every criticism of it is justified, it’s just a question of how much you’re bothered by it.

>>3800078
Mifflin Devin-ass post

>>3783503
>the game is good until reforming your party and doing the final dungeon
retarded take.

>>3782108
>the inane ramblings of a schizo
That's the plot of every FF game, Anon

>>3782630
>nightmare for powergamers
>nightmare for completionists
Those are Pros.

>>3782096 (OP)
good game. i'm always reminded of that embarrassing crying rant by some lolcow where he quotes ff9 multiple times

>>3794272
>shakespearian ruffle boob outfit
peak character design

>>3806254
If only she wasn't shaped like a Bratz doll.

>>3806400
English rose

Didn't like it nearly enough compared to the other PS1 FFs. Something about just runs me wrong.

>>3806254
Garnet is a butterface desu in this pic

>>3782605
>>3783647
>>3783707
>>3794272
>>3806254
Thank you for reminding me that Garnet looks like my older cousin Candace, who I haven't seen since I was 7 years old. I used to jerk off to her cheerleader photos when I was 14.

>>3808901
kek

>>3808919
She was a cheerleader in college too. There was an exercise video of her doing the splits and sort of walking one leg up and down to stretch out everything, and then bringing her legs together to touch her toes with her hands. She was barefoot and in these super tight girl shorts/briefs they wear, with a cheer top.

I was in the USMC at the time. My platoon leader found me watching that video and then called a platoon meeting for everyone to watch it together. Then later the next day everyone told me individually throughout the day that they too rubbed one out for my cousin. One of them commented on it, and she replied with another short video of her and her friends smiling and waving while jumping around, totally clueless about what we had all done.

>>3808946
I think "kekaroo" is appropriate for this one

>>3782096 (OP)
Absolutely unplayable
I'd need a lobotomy to be able to sit through that slog combat.

It's funny that there's an option to set ATB speed when it does jack shit difference with how slow animations are.

>>3782096 (OP)
I've only played it once, but I didn't love it. The backgrounds are maybe the best they've ever been, the music is great, and the 4 main characters are really solid, but I hate all the additional party members, the character designs are hit or miss, and the combat is the slowest its ever been. Really wasnt a fan of the big bad either. For all 8's flaws, it captivated me much more, though I understand that I have more of a tolerance for nomura-isms than most.

>>3806400
how does she look in dissidia where they nomura-ize everybody? I never played it

>>3809174
Garnet wasn't in either of the Dissidia fighting games, only Zidane and Kuja. She was in the mobile game Dissidia Opera Omnia, but that has chibi graphics.

>>3808901
Nobody wants to read about you wanting to fuck your cousin, Cleetus.

>>3790925
I remember reading an interview where Sakaguchi or another higher-up in the project saw the gameplay and decided it was too fast. So they had the combat internally wait a few seconds for the transition into battle, and the fractions of seconds for the commands to carry out after confirmation. It wasn't a hardware limitation, it was an arbitrary artistic decision.

>>3809636
Is this the reason the switch "remaster" combat is so slow? Seriously my actual playstation copy might run faster. The fade into black fade into combat takes forever in the "remaster".

>>3809636
>So they had the combat internally wait a few seconds for the transition into battle, and the fractions of seconds for the commands to carry out after confirmation. It wasn't a hardware limitation, it was an arbitrary artistic decision.
We're talking about two different transitions here, there's the loading transition where the screen goes black and the animated transition when the camera pans around the battlefield. The first is primarily down to hardware, the second artistic.

The game that made me stop playing FF games. I had forced myself to finish FF8, I did not care for the direction the series decided to go in, with angsty teen protagonists. Zidane being annoying and part furry sealed the deal. Dropped it somewhere on the second disc, couldn't force myself to finish it.

>>3809899
Man I feel this. Your protags are a hornie monkey, an autistic knight, a small retard, and an angsty tween princess. They all seem to hate each other except everyone loves the retard. It’s not a bad game, but I don’t understand people who say it’s their favorite one. Maybe they just see themselves in the retard?

The FF for poor kids who couldnt have a ps2, and self-inserted as Vivi to escape from their shitty poor home life

>>3809899
This is something I weirdly agree with. Squall is has almost no personality and yet he’s still infinitely more likable than zidane.