Why hasn't SE been able to top this masterpiece?

>>3794287 (OP)
Even if you consider it an honorary SaGa game it's still outclassed by two of the Romancing games and both Frontier games and two other honorary SaGa games.

>>3794287 (OP)
>top
>the literal worst in the series, even worse than 8
like, it's still decent, but it's in no way a great game.

>>3794300
It's the best game in the series.

Stockholm Syndrome is hard to get over

>literally star wars but better
giga based.

>>3794287 (OP)
How's the GBA version? I'm tempted to give it a try.

>>3794371
only version worth playing is the wonderswan port

>>3794371
All version are great because it's the greatest FF game to date.

i don’t really understand this game at all. isn’t the best strategy just to take off all your armor and weapons and just start punching the shit out of everything?

>>3794588
All discourse surrounding this game outside Japan is immediately tainted by people trying to minmax the moment they boot the game up rather than experience it the way it's meant to be played, i.e. just going with the flow and working with what you got with minimal grinding.

>>3794312
cringe

the use-to-increase stat system just doesn't fucking work with a purely turn-based combat. the story is way too fucking small-scale compared to anything else in the rest of the series. the characters are weakly written and boring.

really, the only thing giving 2 worth is that it is a direct prequel to 4, what with kain being ricard's abopted son.

>>3794690
source?

I hate 2 so much. Absolutely no sense of progression or accomplishment whatsoever.

>>3794713
100% agree

It's always an acquired taste, but even then the thing with those "you need acquired taste" games I don't see why those people want to overhype them so much

>>3794690
>the use-to-increase stat system just doesn't fucking work with a purely turn-based combat
It does.

>>3794694
while Ricard's adopted kid in 2 and Kain's(adopted) dad in 4 didn't get names until the remakes(and kain's bio dad still doesn't have a name) it was always canon that kain took the name highwind because of his adopted dad.

>>3794690
> the only thing giving 2 worth is that it is a direct prequel to 4,
It's not.
>But the names
That's like saying every Cid is the same guy, especially when Ricard dies before he raise Kain

It's a fun game if you try to play it normally. In Pokemon you can choose to steamroll the game with your starter or play with a full team which is much more gratifying and closer to how it was meant to be played, same idea

>>3794690
JRPG's may just not be for you, anon. Nothing ever works as intended. That's the best part of the genre.

>>3794769
That's just your opinion man.

>>3794770
I willed my opinion into being a fact.

>>3794769
>expresses dislike about a particularly bad example of a jrpg
>lol you just don't like rpgs

>>3794783
You wouldn't get it.

>>3794690
the leveling mechanic is fine. there are few genuine flaws like casting spells outside combat not leveling mp pool or wearing high protection armor bricking your hp gains. but it's functional and not totally broken.

>>3794690
>>3794721
Schizocanon

im so glad vrpg has a thread on ff2 or ff8 every week lol
>>3794588
no. you can play like a dickhead in any rpg, but no one's forcing you to play ff2 by "min-maxing" at the start of the game. your characters will grow into their roles over the course of your playthrough. i think jewtubers convinced zoomers this is how to play the game
>>3794690
it's definitely a weird concept to have all that customization for a turn-based rpg on the nes, where you only need swords and elemental black magic + some early game white magic to beat every encounter, but the leveling system fits with the theme of how it's a bunch of kids with no combat experience learning how to fight along the way

>>3794287 (OP)
Only true intellectuals (Dragon Warrior fans) can see how great ff2 is.

>>3795058
True intellectuals never boast on liking something though

>>3794312
Agree. Only true gamers will understand.

>>3794287 (OP)
They've topped it multiple times but it's severely underrated and I have a soft spot for it.
RIP Minwu.

>>3795100
What is a "True gamer"
FF2 fans are not gamers per se, more like grinders

>>3795256
>he had to grind
Whats it like being that bad at video games
Thats like being so bad at driving you had to get out and walk

>>3795264
Even if you don't grind deliberately the innate game mechanic of "using the same thing over and over again" is basically grinding for you

I don't make the rules

>>3794287 (OP)
>What is the SaGa series?

>>3795256
They have that grindset?

>>3794312
Explain.

>>3795256
filtered by hill gigas

>>3795507
You can't really get filtered when playing FF2, just like that other schizo said, it grinds for itself
Unless you are talking about those ambush rooms, they are indefensible

>>3795606
well dont play the gba version if it's too easy.

>>3795374
He probably plays the remakes with x4 xp modifier lmao.

>>3794392
I beg to differ. I played it a few times (mainly GBA and PSP ports) and I'm baffled SE didn't implement different effects for the spells when used against yourself, such as Fire/Blizzard/Thunder giving your weapons Fire/Ice/Volt attributes instead of causing damage or Scourge giving your weapons Poison chance. And if Darkness persists after battle, why not Confusion? EB did something like making your characters walking in directions different than buttons pressed (like going left when pressing right) after some steps outside of battle. Not going to deny your opinion, it's good, but it could've been better if SE was more about fixing old games' content than adding extras when remaking.

>>3795716
Don't need remakes the game (and all other Sagashits) progression system is basically about grinding, even if you don't deliberately grind yourself

>>3795958
gameplay in a video game? damn that sucks. I wish there was more cutscenes and text boxes to read.

>>3796114
>RPG gameplay is when grinding

>>3796422
>umm that's too many battles per hour so the game sucks. less gameplay PLEASE!

>>3796438
>you use the same attack and attack over again and number will go up
>but these rules only apply for me, not thee

>>3794287 (OP)
SE hasn't made a good game in years.

>>3796785
>Implying they've ever made a good game.

>>3795752
mystic knights in ff2 would've been cool but squeenix wouldn't've seen it as F A I T H F U R U

>>3799239
>faithful
>when it's predecessor has been infested with references to subsequent FFs

>>3794287 (OP)
I liked it.

>>3794287 (OP)
I hate it since it gave birth to Saga. Worst progression system ever.

>>3801007
Ah, you're mentally retarded I see

>This new system that I can't be bothered to understand? Yah, it's the game's fault.
t. Average /vrpg/ poster

>>3801463
>This new system thats a pain in the ass to interact with? Yah, it's the games fault.

>>3801007
>"no guardrail" jrpgs filter me

>>3801435
As opposed to those who love such tedious, unengaging mechanic, being called retarded surprisingly is a compliment

>>3801500
>I have no idea what I'm talking about: the post
Let me guess, you think grinding is required

>>3801522
Nope. I dislike the idea in general, even without the optional grinding.

>>3801482
>I use something in battle
>I become more proficient with it over time
I didn't realize going through the menus and selecting an action during battle was so tedious and unengaging compared to doing the same thing but filling up an exp bar and gaining set amount of stats upon level up.

>>3801549
>I didn't realize going through the menus and selecting an action during battle was so tedious and unengaging compared to doing the same thing but filling up an exp bar and gaining set amount of stats upon level up.
Well, they didn't do anything to spice it up, even until now.
Meanwhile the EXP system has been played around in a much more interesting way.

>>3801552
>Meanwhile the EXP system has been played around in a much more interesting way.
It really hasn't
>Well, they didn't do anything to spice it up, even until now.
This isn't even true, but I'm guessing you've never even played most of the games.

>>3801555
>It really hasn't
>This isn't even true, but I'm guessing you've never even played most of the games.
I guess I expected too much from someone who loves such an uninteresting mechanic.

The main problem is that you need to do a ton or research to understand mechanics that the game doesn't tell you.

Like how Agility works or how wearing heavy armor adds a negative modifier to magic

>>3801559
I thought only gloves and weapons reduced buff/debuff magic hit chance.

>>3801556
>Something different than the usual
>Claims it's not as interesting as being like literally everything else
ok

>>3794287 (OP)
youre like a pitbull lover

"theyre not dangerous, just misunderstood! Everyone else is too dumb to get it!"

https://youtu.be/tyl03gn4q6o?list=RDtyl03gn4q6o&t=2015
I've never listened to this album in full but I remembered liking the vocal FF2 song.

>>3794287 (OP)
One of the worst games in the genre.

>>3801552
>Meanwhile the EXP system has been played around in a much more interesting way.
Explain why you think that.

>>3794716
people get attached to the limited amount of things they experience, extremely long tedious games will inherently have a stronger attachment among the people that like them because it's going to be 1 of the 3 games they've played in their entire life
you don't see people that have played hundreds or thousands of games calling final fantasoy good, or any jrpg in general, it's only the autistic "i've played 3 games and 2 of them were final fantasy" types that do

>>3802201
>FF2 is grindy because I grinded
yawn

>>3802201
Hmm or maybe they just wanna think they are cool/special
>>3802239
>old man yelling at straw man

I just played through 3 and miss 2 already. The little story and world is so interesting. They did a great job with it. 2 has such a fun adventure with cool characters along the way. 1 and 3 you get these nameless heroes and a big adventure, but something about all the guest characters you get to play with and meet makes it a more fun or at least a more memorable adventure.

>>3794657
That's just how zoomers experience games. There's no intrinsic sense of wonder for them, it's just pre-reading optimal strategies, mindlessly mimicking that, and then weaponizing this experience to loosh farm online. I don't even consider zoomers to be human beings really. They're more like an inferior version of AI.

>>3794287 (OP)
This game is fucking dogshit though

>>3803705
Low IQ take. What part filters people I truly don't understand? If you completely ignore the system and play it like any other RPG I don't think you'd even notice. Probably you'd just think all the later spells after the first few suck and never use them.... which is actually fine.

>>3803842
the problem with 2's spells is that you need to level up Esuna to have it cure more ailments and stuff like Teleport deleting your HP.

I recently beat the PSP version with 0 grinding, it's a solid game but very flawed and requires a lot of online research to figure out how everything works, like with 8

>>3794287 (OP)
TRUE

>>3803847
>using a spell levels it
>using a weapon levels it
how many hours of online research did this take you?

>>3805248
> "What do you mean you didn't know "Cure Poison" can also heal other alignments?! Isn't it obvious?!"
> "Also, you don't know that using weapons levels their skill. It doesn't matter that you didn't mention weapons at all, It's true cause I say so!"
You SaGa fags deserve a special place in hell.

>>3805298
>the spell named heal heals
>the spell named fire fires
>reddit help me it’s all so cryptic!

There's a reason why not even japs care about FF2 while they rave over FF3. It's clearly from a period where Square had no idea where to take it now that they have a series and it shows. I beat it many times across NES, GBA and PSP versions and occasionally defend it from people who say it's worse than AIDS because I'm an autist, but it's a flawed game and you will never meme it into some hidden gem 10/10 because it just isn't.

>dogshit dungeon design (inb4 "10 empty forced encounter fakeout rooms in every dungeon is actually 500 iq ludokino design")
>all of the companions except Minwu are a waste of space who leave you or have a le epic tragic death after like one dungeon, literally no point in trying to equip or train them
>the core system isn't as terrible as the detractors say but it's not anything great either. Most of the time you will end with the same setup, 4 jacks of all trades or the meta 1 tank 3 backrow mages
>forgettable ost, meh story

>>3805298
>Also, you don't know that using weapons levels their skill. It doesn't matter that you didn't mention weapons at all, It's true cause I say so!
You should see your weapon level go up after the first two or three battles, which is your alert that using weapons raises their level. Hell even if you have no weapon equipped your fists level up instead.

You really have to be a stone cold moron to not be able to figure this out. One wonders how you have figured out how to post at all

>>3805350
They don't rave about FFII because they binge the SaGa series.

>>3805298
First off, it's cure AILMENTS you illiterate retard
Secondly, ESUNA has been a mainstay cure-all spell starting from FF2 and all FF2 spells evolving into stronger versions of themselves on their own is not only better than anything they've done after it, it's also explained in the manual
Lastly, there's literal weapon skill levels in your status menu, so even if an illiterate ape like you can't understand basic english and read the goddamn manual to know that this is an actual mechanic it's not hard to acknowledge this basic game mechanic

>3805298
Little bro here didn't level heal after his first party member left. I bet he quit soon after.

pretentious pseuds galore

stay mad normie.

I play the Pixel Remake and I didn't realize you could turn off gaining hp after a set amount of battle. Now everyone's HP is more inflated than an poorly drawn image uploaded by an autist on rule34. Feels bad when enemies deal 1% of my HP in damage.

>>3806638
Don't worry, undeads and most endgame demons deal % based physical damage

>>3806638
No, you see, FF2 is a cultivation simulator, that's working as intended

shit game.
rather be a normie than liking this shit.

>>3807263
>Another worthless samefagging post
Why does FF2 inspire so much seethe?

why does ff2 attracts pretentious pseuds?

>>3808227
An IQ of 135 is objectively required to not get filtered by this game. Scientifically proved.

Exhibit A

>>3794287 (OP)
I just beat FF2 tonight and I'm coming here just to say that final dungeon is some bullshit