>muh HP
Fortified through buffs or use summons to tank hits
>muh cool swords
Summoned through magic or enchanted
>muh stealth
Invisibility, disguise spells, and scrying for scouting ahead
>muh social skills
Charm spells and buffs
>muh traps
Magical traps

>>3802550 (OP)
>poisons ur mana potions

>>3802550 (OP)
I like the games with tenser's transformation
you just instantly become equivalent to a same level fighter. And the big restriction is that you can't cast magic... kind of like a same level fighter

>>3802550 (OP)
I mean if you want a serious answer, the three main reasons you wouldn't play one in a vidya are:
>I don't like magic
>I want extra challenge or variety
>I think the way magic is implemented in this game sucks
If none of those are true, yeah, there's basically no fucking reason not to. Tabletop has many ways to moderate the caster supremacy and even there it runs into the issue in many ways, though not to the same extent - if you play with a halfway decent group and GM who care about pacing you won't get to dictate rests whenever you feel like just to always be at your best, for example. Unless you play a full caster only game, which is fucking hilarious, if you enjoy fully embracing power fantasy.
Video games lack most of the possible shortcomings. At most, you end up with the thief/rogue/whatever being a living lockpick and trap disarming machine, since it's usually still marginally easier to just keep one around than cast the requisite spells... but the games ALWAYS provide you with one of those, since a Fighter equivalent needs one too, so fucking lmao, you know?

>>3802561
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>3802550 (OP)
Aesthetics are the only reason. Mages are superior in every game, but heavy armor looks so badass. That's why I like WH40k so much. Can be a psyker in giant power armor with a chainsaw.

>>3802689
Fully agreed. But it's not JUST that heavy armor looks better, it's that the lighter you go the shittier the options. You can sometimes get medium and light with style, but robes and equivalents? Pretty much guaranteed to look like absolute dogshit.
In large part responsible for my fondness for hybrids, too, as I refuse to look like some loser in an oversized bathrobe.

>>3802550 (OP)
I play someone who doesn't use magic and kills wizards just to prove a point.

>>3802550 (OP)
Just play it like Divinity original sin: Everyone is a mage.

>>3802550 (OP)
Magic is homosexual. Biological ascendance to the point of becoming a living God is what you should aspire to.

>>3802550 (OP)
>Fortified through buffs or use summons to tank hits
Takes turns
>Summoned through magic or enchanted
Takes turns
>Invisibility, disguise spells, and scrying for scouting ahead
Takes turns
>Charm spells and buffs
Takes turns
>Magical traps
Takes turns
(Note: depending on the game these may not actually take turns or may take equivalent turns to the other classes without any downsides)

I want to be able to do cool stuff without wasting time setting it up, or worrying about running out of cool stuff. Yeah wizards can do more cool stuff, but I don't want to take the time to chant a bunch of mumbo jumbo to get strong or forget to pack mana potions. I just want to walk up to things and punch them with max strength. Gets the job done just as well most of the time, even if wizards are technically better.

Playing as magic users is fun when you want variety though.

>>3802753
Dorohedoro? Nice.

be everything, just a little bit
thats the hardest but most interesting way

The best role is gish.
Medium armor and a weapon, you don't turn into paper in the front line but also have some limited magic options.

>>3802863
Worship of the physical male form is by definition homosexual.

>>3802903
gishes are only cool when they're just better than fighters, which designers really shouldn't allow to happen

>>3802550 (OP)
>powergaming minmaxing shit
Lame, gay, and worst of all boring thing children do the first time they get on the computer to play arpeegees

Roleplay with limitations is the true RPG enjoyer's way

>>3802753
*summons a monster stronger than said anti-magic fighter*
your response?

>>3803307
Those don't exist. The only contender is Chained Summoner (non-devil summoner kit) from Pathfinder and they're not full spellcasters.

I don't care about mages as a whole, but I fucking love summoners specifically. Of course they have the paradox in videogames where they're at once busted (because of breaking the action economy and all) and not nearly as cool as in tabletop (because you never cover all the potential uses of summons, negotiating with outsiders, or even most non-combat utility of it).

>>3802877
I wish I could access my old Oblivion files on my 360 and get screens of my Kaiman Argonian build.
>birth sign
Ritual because he's hard to kill and has fought a good number of undead.
>spec
combat
>favored attributes
strength & speed
>major skills
blade, block, blunt, light armor, hand to hand, alchemy
>playstyle
Would use daggers and sometimes shortswords for everything, battleaxes for undead.
Shrouded armor with heavy gauntlets and boots. Can't remember what I'd use for a helmet because I thought most of them looked like garbage anyway.
>>3803307
I still kill it :^)

>>3803283
Have you considered that playing an obsessive power hungry wizard is in itself a great roleplaying option with drawbacks?

>>3803451
In tabletop, sure. What fucking drawbacks is that gonna have in a videogame?

>>3802550 (OP)
oops i bought scrolls and pots so i dont need the 7 cha loser class on my team... lol!!

>>3803471
casters are more likely to have cha than martial cucks.

>>3803471
Look at this guy, he thinks all casters are Wizards

>>3803474
Did you expect a martialfag to use his brain instead of mashing the keyboard? Lmao.

>>3803470
Depends on game and morality system. Power gaming would place your character into neutral at best or evil at worst.

>>3803472
>casters are more likely to have cha than martial cucks.
*laughs in based retard lawful stupid high str, low dex, low int, high wis, high cha paladin chad*

>>3803486
Paladins are half casters. Every class that utilizes high charisma uses magic.

>>3803488
>Every class that utilizes high charisma uses magic.
*laughs in charming swashbuckler duelist dex fighter/thief*

>>3803474
>>muh social skills
uh oh looks like you failed to grasp context, go spend twelve hours in the corner prepping spell of greater post reading and try again

>>3803495
>desperate nonsensical defense
7 cha indeed

>>3802550 (OP)
I don't wanna sleep after every battle.

>>3803482
What game has drawbacks for being powerful?

>>3802550 (OP)
>>3802803
u kinda-sorta want a STR user for your main character since they can carry more shit.

>>3803482
Incorrect. Most games reward you far more for being a good person, and recognizing the pattern is a no-brainer.

>>3802570
You don't have armor or feats either, Tenser is a pretty shit spell. If it was say a Lv3 or 4 spell it would be a legit great buff but it's level -6-.

>>3803643
Maybe reputation wise but most games award more powerful spells and magic items to evil characters. There isn’t a single rpg where using necromancy is viewed as a ‘good’ action. Hence power gaming will always place your character at neutral or evil.

>>3803748
powergaming is having cracked gear and stacking a million buffs

>>3803748
>most games award more powerful spells and magic items to evil characters
It's fascinating to meet someone from the mirror world, how are things over there?
No but really, I wish you were right, but shitty rewards are the second most common complaint about evil options in video games, right after 'why is it just being a retard'. In the vast majority of cases being good nets you more XP, more unique rewards, and more additional content, while being evil gives you... utterly meaningless currency.

>>3804287
Hi! Here in the mirror world, we have:

- MnM 6 and 7 where being evil is the only way to get the gamebreaking spell "SHarpmetal".
- Pathfinder: Kingmaker where "Staff of Wispering Souls" is a must-have for powerful int-based caster builds that gives extremely rare "profane" +4 to INT for evil characters. Also, best advisor Vordakai and the Demon Vault sidequest.
-BG 1 and 2 where committing evil acts is a shortcut to powerful equipment and where evil companions are almost always stronger that good ones.
- Gothic where assaulting random people gives you best equipment and a lot of spare cash.
- ToME where committing evil unlocks best classes and features in the game.
- Eschalon Book I where the only way to get the best weapon is through cold murder and double-crossing (as well as getting praised by the developer for committing a massacre at the very end). In other 2 books evil saves a lot of headache too.

>>3802550 (OP)
What game?

>>3802903
The problem with gishes is that they almost always become just casters, sooner or later. Even one of the possible D&D definitions for the term (in the mechanical sense, not the 'gith-specific concept') is that a proper gish achieves, one way or another, as close to full BAB and spellcasting progression as possible. The problem with that is that the situations where making use of the martial half is better than just standing back and unleashing arcane power are so rare as to be virtually meaningless long-term.
Sure, you have a trump card if someone thinks they can just fuck you over with antimagic, immunities, spell resist/saves... but 99% of the time you'll be a wizard who happens to have a sword.
I mean yeah, obviously you can CHOOSE to mix it up for enjoyment, that's a given, but when it comes to efficiently solving problems...

>>3804468
Yes.

>>3805486
>a wizard who happens to have a sword.
She does use the sword she carries sometimes, but besides the Ragna Blade spell rarely uses a sword. Magically created swords are a cool weapons for gishes.

>>3802550 (OP)
because I like to hit women, monsters and retards, and tossing a faggy cartoon sparkle just isn't as satisfying as hitting them with a warhammer.

>>3805700
Have you considered that lobbing a gigantic fireball at women, monsters, and retards is extremely satisfying and hits all of them at once?

>>3806032
there is less personal gratification when I'm not beating women that are within 5 feet of me.

>captcha: sxwagy

For me, it's because I have a weird attachment to classes that use HP as a resource, and that's usually a martial.
Not always though. I mean there's DAO blood mage, and PoE blood mage, and... several other blood mages, but it's not the standard.

>>3802803
>DOS
the very first Divine Divinity already did that. but even before that, many RPGs allowed "generic" classes which can learn magic anyway.

To argue and choose between magical and martial is folly.
I simply do both, following in the path shown to me within the Book of Weeaboo Fightan Magic so long ago