Thread 3809661

Post your ideas and or progress if you have them regarding fangames.
Ceroba did nothing wrong.

reposting DRY progress, added running anim and the speed increase after running for a bit like in DR
I've also started reworking some of the light world npc sprites to make them more unique than the UTY ones, though I'm still thinking how exactly to change the feisty 4, I don't want to just make them wear police uniforms (and mooch is kinda not part of their group anyway) and I like their outfits

>>3809661 (OP)
Someone is developing a port of Undertale for the Gameboy Color https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v78ANU42DjY

>>3809675
>GBStudio
Neat but using that to make the port really dampens the appeal already.

>>3809678
How so?

>>3809681
Not that anon, GBStudio is incredibly limited by design as its goal of being
>A quick and easy to use drag and drop retro game creator for your favourite handheld video game system.
>drag and drop
Basically you're editing a template and then using visual scripting to flesh it out further. Visual scripting can only get you so far, and doing impressive things with the Game Boy requires you to be fluent in assembly (specifically a slightly modified Z80 assembly which is about the same as all assembly versions are to each other). Undertale isn't a complex game and it could work on the system, but this is going to be the most barebones implementation of Undertale.

Also subjectively, I think if someone were to try and port Undertale to the Game Boy (Color) they should try and take greater inspiration from how actual Game Boy (Color) RPGs looked; SaGa, the Dragon Quest ports etc., all had a specific style to its menus and they all used white backgrounds because it looked better on the hardware. Whether you design the game around four-color limitations or make the most of GBC's colors I think it should try to look like it was made for the system, rather than just ported to the system.

>>3809706
How limited is GB studio compared to something like GameMaker 8? I can understand not wanting to dive straight into assembly programming, especially on a more complex CPU like a z80.

>>3809712
Much more limited if only by the fact of the hardware you're using. It's easy to forget but the Game Boy was made in 1989, and the GBC, ignoring the colored graphics, only doubles the CPU clock speed and doubles the VRAM (graphical memory). While you don't need to be a sharp programmer to make a full game in Game Maker, I think you do need to know what you're doing with low-level programming to make something that runs well and plays well on GB hardware.

I would seriously recommend just using Game Maker and limiting your graphics and sound to what can be done on the GB, rather than trying to make it work on hardware, if you aren't willing to learn the nitty-gritty of ASM. To try and give a little perspective, consider how Toby Fox's code is sloppy but Undertale runs fine because it's a simple game that doesn't demand a lot from even cheap (modern) hardware. You don't have that luxury on a Game Boy. If you want to see what badly optimized code runs like, look up the leaked 1997 Spaceworld demo of Pokémon Gold; it's a frankensteined Gen 1 with shit built on top of it and its technical debt makes the game chug even when you just open a menu. The game had to be heavily redone before final release to clean shit up (something some people theorize was assisted by HAL, though officially HAL only gave Game Freak a better compression tool than they were using). You will quickly hit a ceiling using visual coding on such limited hardware and that limits the scope of what you can do

>>3809741
I think if that guy wants to so his shitty gbc port that's fine. Even as it is its way cooler than some counterfeit made in game maker. Actually I'd say faking a GBC port in Game Maker is just bad in general.

>>3809743
I think people should follow their passions, it's just what I (someone who has worked with the Game Boy before and knows how weak the hardware actually is) would recommend. Real hardware is more interesting than imitations but ease of development is a pretty major factor.

>>3809745
>Real hardware is more interesting than imitations but ease of development is a pretty major factor.
This is probably just a me thing, but pretending to be a retro game while requiring a 3 GHz x86_64 CPU and 4GB of RAM genuinely pisses me off. Like I see it and it just makes me mad. Feels like false advertising. Although I guess I just have a disdain for fake things in general.

I imagine this guy is probably just doing it for novelty though.

>>>/v/716113212
Let us know if it works. If there's a confliction due to extra object and room entries I can try making a version with only the sprite changes.
>>>/v/716114414
I remade that animation, now it almost doesn't look atrocious (but still DeviantArt tier)

>>3809748
>pretending to be a retro game while requiring a 3 GHz x86_64 CPU and 4GB of RAM genuinely pisses me off
Honestly same, games like Pseudoregalia are pretty ridiculous about that, but you could in theory make your own engine instead of using a bloat-filled original engine so it's much more lightweight. I think doing this would still be easier than making an actual retro game on real hardware, but it might be harder than using GBStudio (its faults aside)

>>3809706
>they all used white backgrounds because it looked better on the hardware
Not all of them. (Also see Magi Nation or the Harry Potter RPGs). The UI looks fine to me honestly. The real test of "verisimilitude" would be adapting all the overworld NPC sprites because of how varied their styles and palettes are.

>>3809847
Of course, there are definitely games that break the mold and stand out, like Star Ocean Blue Sphere's side-view battles (which is how a Deltarune GBC might look, actually). I think I might be biased and thinking of non-Color GB games first, which got a lot more utility out of the style I'm describing. You posted a Wizardry GBC game, but the earlier Wizardry games on the standard Game Boy are as I describe. I concede it's not mandatory when the explicit aim is a GBC game, it's just how I picture Game Boy RPGs (and Dragon Quest/Pokémon carrying the look over helps my mental image).

>>3809664
My god, actual sprint animations

>>3809869
?
What about them?
Deltatraveler has sprint animations too.

the fangame update this week is lambdarune (one of the alt chapter 3 attempts back when people were trying to make those but ended up taking longer than toby) finally adding a battle system (previous demo was just cutscenes and a bit of walking), I don't think it will be a full fangame but just "highlights" of the chapter

also one of the UT cyans posted a concept of their intro cutscene

>>3809675
Now I'm wondering, what retro systems would you say have the minimum spec to faithfully recreate Undertale? This can be interpreted in many ways, but I was thinking if it hypothetically came out sometime in the 90s or early 2000s, on which system could it have released while still being largely the same as what we got?

>>3809834
>but you could in theory make your own engine instead of using a bloat-filled original engine so it's much more lightweight
At least there are frameworks like SDL, Raylib, Love2D, PyGame, FNA, and LibGDX to facilitate this. In some ways, In many ways, I genuinely think working with "mid-level" libraries that handle stuff like input and rendering are a gentler introduction to gamedev than a full-on engine. Feels like there's a lot less to commit to memory.

>>3809834
The problem with these style of games is that its either able to run on some kind of original hardware, or its a horribly bloated mess that uses 100x more system resources than it needs to. Even if you make it a PC game, unless you're targeting hardware from the 90s, you're still asking for more than it should need, and if you are targeting machines from the 90s, then you are developing a retro game on real hardware.
>>3810085
The minimum specs I think it'd need to be ported with no compromises are a fast 486DX, an SB16 sound card, and a CD drive. The most demanding parts of the game are the sprite scaling and the soundtrack, the former can be handled by a decent CPU and the latter can work as CD audio. In terms of consoles the PS1 could handle it without compromise.

Now if you just want most of the game, and are willing to accept compromises here and there. I think fast 386 systems, the Sega CD, and the GBA could take the game in a mostly complete state. Its not until you get to stuff like the Genesis and SNES that you have to start making serious compromises.

>>3809879
True, but Deltarune did not

>>3810160
deltarune does have running animations but they are only used in cutscenes and not in gameplay for some reason

Wonder if that anon'll be back with those greens later tonight.

>>3810214
give me a little bit, abiotic factor 1.0

>>3810219
Ah, understandable.

>>3810161
Deltarune also has diagonal sprites but refuses to use them for walking in the overworld.
>>3809664
Speaking of which, will diagonal walking sprites be added for DRY?

I'm gonna repost this here since the /v/ thread died too fast. I know its shit, but damn it I spent way too much time on this.

>>3810267
I like it
I don't know what program you used to color it, but it should have an option to increase the tolerance of the paint bucket tool which would remove those weird blank spots between the colors
>modern gun
does the Darkblade from Oldentale actually uses a gun? or an equivalent to it?

Anyone seen any interesting fangame ideas recently?

>>3810317
The inspirations on the pic arent subtle at all

>>3810330
is it even really trying to be subtle?

>>3810317
Wasn't there an Undertale Halloween Hack web comic?

>>3810341
Yes, but unless you're talking about a different one, it only ran for a handful of pages. Oddly enough, I saw an attempt at a UTY Halloween Hack comic a while ago that's actually still ongoing. No idea if it's any good, but it looks like it's at the Wild East, so I imagine it has to have been going for a while now.

>>3810309
>I don't know what program you used to color it, but it should have an option to increase the tolerance of the paint bucket tool which would remove those weird blank spots between the colors
I was using paint.net and that's with the tolerance turned way up, any higher and it just in fills the whole image.
>does the Darkblade from Oldentale actually uses a gun? or an equivalent to it?
Of course he does. All badass killers use guns. What? Orange tip? No its totally real.

>>>/v/716108889
alright, the roba green.
>the barrier had opened not too long ago.
>many monsters fled the underground almost immediately.
>ceroba was among them. she gathered what personal belongings she could carry and left.
>the weight of it all... it was too much for her.
>the manor was a graveyard.
>how she tried to betray everyone
>how clover sacrificed himself.
>she couldnt handle staying in the dunes or new home.
>so she left as soon as she could.
>she had finally found something resembling a town.
>"excuse me, human. do you mind telling me where i can..."
>anon looked at ceroba with wide eyes
>what the hell was this?
>ceroba noticed how confused he was.
>this would take a while...
---
>some time had passed
>after anon had helped ceroba with the basics, getting a home and whatnot, they stayed in touch.
>he'd help her get acclimated to life on the surface, and really just enjoy life up here.
>it was purely platonic, but neither of them cared.
>and, with time, ceroba was able to stand being the underground again...
>she took him to see the place.
>new home, hotland, snowdin...
>the last place was the dunes.
>a complete ghost town now.
>A "so this is where you used to live, huh?
>C "yeah... this place used to be quite the hot spot."
>A "sure seems like it"
>the two walked through the ghost town, ceroba tore away a board keeping dina's locked up
>anon sat down as ceroba got behind the counter...
>yes, dina left her food-spell instructions.
>ceroba got to work on conjuring a drink for the two of them.
1/2

>>3810389
>A "so, dont think i ever asked. what was life like down here?"
>C "honestly... not too different from the surface. big difference was the stuffy atmosphere and the lack of a real sun. i'd complain about the overcrowding in new home but your cities are much worse"
>anon laughed
>C "the dunes specifically?"
>C "before the barrier opened, starlo and his posse used to run the wild east. part tourist attraction, part fun for the locals. it was nice."
>C " those that didnt want to play along with the tourist attraction lived over in the oasis"
>A "sounds cozy, where exactly did you live?"
>C "... a manor behind the oasis... chujin and kanako both died there. i dont like thinking about it."
>neither of them could think of anything to say.
>they finished their drinks and left dinas
>ceroba showed anon around the rest of the wild east before they went over to the oasis.
>C "not much of note here except the manor... but i'd rather not go back."
>A "thats alright, we dont have to, what about over there?"
>C "the mines? sure. might still be some gems in there..."
wasnt sure how to really continue here, could've gone to the manor but that'd go from cozy to not real quick.

will get the other two tomorrow before anything else (>>>/v/716108938 >>>/v/716108973)

>>3810392
>could've gone to the manor but that'd go from cozy to not real quick.
"not" as in angsty melodrama, or "not" as in right to the fucking?

>>3810402
"not" as in the only possible outcome being that ceroba becomes depressed over certain memories being forced back into the front and center of her mind.

>>3810404
Ah, so option 1 then. Fair enough, up to you how to continue, if you choose to.

>>3810267
It's better than I could do and it gives an impression of the character's tryhard edgy personality, I give it a thumbs up
>>3810381
>I was using paint.net and that's with the tolerance turned way up, any higher and it just in fills the whole image.
I also use Paint.NET and haven't ran into that issue. I don't know what your process is, but I assume you're doing the linework first and then filling the colors in with the bucket tool; I personally get a better result if I do the linework, copy it to a second layer lower than the first, then fill that new layer. I did a quick shitty mouse traceover of the hat's linework with the brush tool (anti-aliasing on), filled a copy of it, and made a background layer with the brown color below it. There's probably a better, more refined method to do this, but basic use of layers can avoid jagged transparency issues with the fill bucket. If you want to use only one layer you could also do everything aliased, though that produces a pretty specific look which may or may not be what you want

>>3810434
I already do my colors on a separate layer from my line work, though I haven't tried copying the lines to the color layer, I just sort of roughly traced them on the color layer, used the fill tool, then came back to clean it up with the eraser later.

>>>/v/716108938
>D "alright ceroba, you've been here for five hours. last time you did this it was because kanako died. whats on your mind?"
>C "isswa-*hic* meh. i killllehd 'er."
>dina sighed
>D "ceroba we've been over this, im sure that whatever you did didnt lead to her-"
>C "shhhhoooojin had som ressserch. tolld my too cont*hic*. aaan it kille kannko"
>dina froze
>D "im cutting you off, sober up and we can talk about this tomorrow."

>>3810317
How could Frisk do this?

someone made a sprite based on return to form

>>3810809
Revenge for iwo jima

>>3810926
not bad

sorry if this is unrelated to fangames but this is making me wonder.
Why do some people deny that kris is the au counterpart of frisk?

>>3811040
because they think Kris is the counterpart of Chara

>>3811040
Because his name, history, and personality traits don't all match Frisk. He has just as much in common with Frisk as he does with Chara. So you can't neatly say "Oh he's Frisk" or "Oh he's Chara" without a bunch of contradictions. Personally I think he's both and neither. He's equivalent to both characters, but is his own distinct person.

>>3811040
Kris
Frisk
Vriska
Just sayin'

>>3811058
What are the differences kris has with frisk? And what are the simmilarities.
Curious what you think those are because I think the simmilarties are overstated with chara. The same thing is true with the differences towards frisk

>>3811059
it all goes back to homestuck

Oh, neat, these threads still exist?
I was interested in making my own interpretation of a Ceroba fight (just the fight and nothing more) that diverges from actual Undertale (Yellow) lore.
It would be set in the Pacifist route, and lore-wise be the fight between Clover and Ceroba, only with Clover at 100 HP and Genocide run stats (for gameplay reasons only), and incorporate mechanics and attacks from both the Pacifist and Genocide route (the mask, the health depletion, etc.)
Probably was going to use either SDL or SFML (bit more weary of Raylib just out of fatigue from working with it, though it is a fantastic library nonetheless).
Any thoughts?
Or do you think a Chujin fight would be more interesting? (With that I have much fewer ideas.)

>>3811060
>What are the differences kris has with frisk?
Frisk is a lot more personable than Kris, who flip flops between creep and asshole, and Frisk is a lot more cool with (you). Frisk doesn't love chocolate like Kris does. Frisk doesn't have an affinity for knives like Kris does. He wears different clothes.
> And what are the simmilarities.
They're both great flirts, and are the silent type. Both seem to genuinely care about those close to them, even if one of them doesn't like to show it. Both like pie. Both are younger than Asriel. Both are yellow.

Meanwhile in terms of similarities to Chara. Kris is a creepy weirdo who likes messing with people, he loves chocolate, likes knives, he's a bit of a sadist (not nearly to the same level as Chara though), and he wears the same clothes.

Differences with Chara are that he's not a psychopath and is a lot less talkative.

>>3811066
A Chujin fight would be really cool. We have too many Roba fights already.

>bit more weary of Raylib just out of fatigue from working with it,
What makes SDL better than it in your eyes?

>>3811066
>Or do you think a Chujin fight would be more interesting? (With that I have much fewer ideas.)
chujin could work if he is riding a mech or implanted his soul into a robot

>>3811074
No art or sprites (I don't really want to spend money on an artist), and it would be a lot harder to justify how that point would be reached for Clover to fight Chujin lore-wise. Meanwhile Ceroba is already a very well-defined character whose skills and abilities are known.
>What makes SDL better than it in your eyes?
SDL certainly is more verbose and there are fewer C++ wrappers for it but I feel like there is just less flexibility with Raylib due to its scope of interest. Not opposed to using it outright, since it is probably more than enough for what I want to do.

>>3811074
I feel like some kind of dual Chujin and Axis fight would be interesting? A boss fight with two enemies has never been explored in either Undertale or Undertale Yellow.

>>3811076
>A boss fight with two enemies has never been explored in either Undertale or Undertale Yellow.
it kinda was with the feisty 4 battle but that battle was cut short so you cant end it either violently or peacefully
also undertale wildfire has a double battle as part of their combat demo

>>>/v/716097924
I disagree with this. Humanity is not a monolith. Modern humans are not responsible for the sins of their ancestors. None of the humans in the 2100s were alive during the monster human war. And I wouldnt be surprised if a lot of them dont remember monsters since it happened a long time ago.
This logic would be saying modern anglo americans should all die off due to what their anccestors did to the native americans. This logic would be me saying (you) and everyone here should die because of the crimes some of their ancestors probably did. Even though none of the modern anglos or (you) or everyone were alive back then.
You could say humanity was responsible for killing asriel. But that was only a very small one group of humans that existed a 100 years before the start of undertale. And that group had a somewhat understandable reaction to seeing a monsterous beast carrying a corpse of a child.
You could also say that modern humans are keeping monsters underground. But one theres a chance a lot of humans dont remember or are aware of the monsters. Or if they are aware, then theres probably been a lot of propaganda to make monsters look bad and humans look good.
The only real indicator we have on how humans treat monsters, is when humans finally reecounter them. And do humans genocide the monsters? No, humans instead peacefully integrate with the monsters. There is no humana on monster violence at all in the ending.
Wiping out humanity would not be justice. The humans who were guilty died a long time ago, meanwhile the 22nd century humans are either ignorant, misinformed, and pretty much innocent. And are shown in the post pacifist ending to be very good people.

>>3811074
The idea of Chujin Dr Gero'ing himself is so cool. I wish someone would do something with that.

>>3811077
>it kinda was with the feisty 4 battle but that battle was cut short so you cant end it either violently or peacefully
Wasted potential in my opinion. I would have really liked to see that fight play out both violently and peacefully, because it explores a concept less done than deserved.
>also undertale wildfire has a double battle as part of their combat demo
Is it worth playing? Or should I wait for the full release? I hate playing and then getting hooked on to a demo.

>>3811076 (me)
>Meanwhile Ceroba is already a very well-defined character whose skills and abilities are known.
Also, I am much less of an ideas guy and more of a do-er guy. I have a lot less faith in my ability to come up with an interesting fight and mechanics than in my competence in programming. (Not to say that I'm a genius programmer either, just that I lack creativity or visionary insight.)

>>3811071
Okay that seems resonable fair.

>last updated 2 years ago
>last updated 1 year ago
I never was a fanfiction person before but I caught a certain autism after playing yellow. It seems like I would have been doing myself a kindness to not look into these.

>>3811076
>A boss fight with two enemies has never been explored in either Undertale or Undertale Yellow.
It was done twice in Undertale and 3 times in Deltarune
> and it would be a lot harder to justify how that point would be reached for Clover to fight Chujin lore-wise
Not that hard. Just swap Ceroba and Chujin. She dies instead of him and now he's seeking Clover's souls as part of some fool plan to resurrect his dead family.

>>3811088
read dont bear the weight of this world alone by skywatcher
its still being updated and its a ending fix fic

>>3811081
>Is it worth playing? Or should I wait for the full release? I hate playing and then getting hooked on to a demo.
there is a bigger demo supposedly coming soon(tm) with the full snowdin area, the current demo is just like 2 rooms and a fight

>>3811090
I'll take a look and see if I hadn't already seen it. I'm realizing that with how anyone can tag things any damn way they want I may have missed some stories too. I don't mind that I have to dig through garbage, but its painful finding something that shines and then noticing "part 1 in a series" and its 3/? chapters with no other parts.

>>3811094
https://archiveofourown.org/works/52818064/chapters/133595575
I will just post it here.

>>3811081
>Is it worth playing?
I'd say its worth it. As its stands it basically just a really well made single fight fangame. Its not got any plot to get hooked on.

>>3811095
looking at my history looks like I had found this one, got 3 chapters in at bed time and forgot to save it for later.

>>3811097
well save it and continue reading it. It gets better. (the asgore chapter is my favorite because it appeals to my headcanons about the war)

>>3811089
dogamy and dogaressa and the royal guards are not bosses

>>3811083
>Also, I am much less of an ideas guy and more of a do-er guy. I have a lot less faith in my ability to come up with an interesting fight and mechanics than in my competence in programming
Anon, half this thread would kill to get someone like you on their team. This thread is 80% idea guys. Anyways if you need free ideas, just ask.

Like right now I can already think of a few. You swap Ceroba's fight for Mecha Chujin. Chujin somehow put his soul into a robot body before he died, or maybe had his dust scattered over a robot body after he died if you want to go with a sort of Flowey angle. If its the former he wants Clover's souls so he can save Kanako or Roba (whoever you'd rather be the one dying of soul rot) while in the latter, his family is still alive and he wants Clover's soul so he can feel again. Either way the fight itself is basically a mash up of Axis's and Ceroba's move sets.

>>3811099
They're minibosses. Anyways that still leaves all three of the 2 v 1 fights in Deltarune.

>>3811089
The Chujin fight could work if I plagiarised Ceroba's attacks and threw in some Axis, but I would need actual artwork, which I have no skill in nor money to shell out.

>>3811091
>>3811096
Thanks, will check out.

chujin being a femboi is one of the strangest things to come out of this fandom. If anything, chujin was highly masculine

>>3811104
>, but I would need actual artwork, which I have no skill in nor money to shell out.
MS-Paint. Most of the art in Undertale was drawn by Toby in MS-Paint despite him being a shit artist at the time. You could also try and find an artist that will help you for free. Loads of fangames get their art that way.

>>3811107
He is a fox, all male foxes are femboys by default

>>3811111
tell that to fox mccloud

>>3811110
>Most of the art in Undertale was drawn by Toby in MS-Paint despite him being a shit artist at the time
Actually, a good chunk of the sprites were drawn by Temmie which includes most of the battle sprites

>>3811112
>he thinks Fox Mccloud is immune to this
I guess you aren't as much of a coomer as me

>>3811089
>Not that hard. Just swap Ceroba and Chujin. She dies instead of him and now he's seeking Clover's souls as part of some fool plan to resurrect his dead family.
nta but how did ceroba and kanako died? I dont think chujin would nab kanako

>>3811114
For the retail version. Everything that appeared in the demo was Toby.

>>3811115
I kneel great coomer one

>>3811107
He looks like a nerdy furry OC pretending to be gendo, it’s like he’s barely keeping up the facade

>>3811111 (checked)
>>3811115
I guess you could draw any character as a femboy, that doesn't make them by default femboys.

Personally I prefer to think of Chujin as being a fake out femboy. Like you see picture of him and think he's this scrawny demure dude with small arms and a pretty face. Then you meet and he's seven foot tall, broad shouldered, and under that outfit he's absolutely ripped because boss monster genes just make him that way, but he's still got the pretty face. Basically Chujin is built like a JoJo character.

>>3811124
if you're going that way then im thinking part 5 onwards proporations and not 1-4 jojo

>>3811124
I think it would be more like sekiro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrC16-UPJiE
this guy but younger

>>3811107
We need more chad Chujin art. Or at least art with the Alucard build.

>>3811116
Kanako could inject herself while Chujin left her unattended because of his research, or you could have a grief stricken Chujin be so high copium that he's in complete denial and refuses to entertain the thought of his serum not working, so he injects Kanako, or maybe Kanako is still alive and you could have the pacifist resolution be him realizing that he should give up on raising the dead and try to take care of what family he has left instead.

>>3811125
No, Chujin is built like Josuke. Not as bulky as Jotaro, but still really tall and shredded underneath those clothes. The part five guys are too short.
>>3811127
That's how Chujin's dad looks

>>3811122
he looks nerdy but he:
-is a pretty tall dude, taller than starlo even.
-has a beautiful troph uh fox wife that gave him a beauitful daughter
-is a man of action who spends a lot of his time exploring the outdoors and shit.
hes more of a man than most of us. Can any of you say we fucked someone like ceroba and spend a lot of our free time outdoors?

>>3811131
im talking about the build in how the part 5 characters are all slender but have the remnants of jojo muscle, but josuke makes sense.

>>3811129
>Kanako could inject herself while Chujin left her unattended because of his research,
kinda stale because ive seen this before
> grief stricken Chujin be so high copium that he's in complete denial and refuses to entertain the thought of his serum not working, so he injects Kanako
unsure if chujin would be the type to do that even if hes in grief
>maybe Kanako is still alive and you could have the pacifist resolution be him realizing that he should give up on raising the dead and try to take care of what family he has left instead.
okay now this is different and pretty unique. And would explore different themes than the ceroba stuff
this is good.

>>3811132
>taller than starlo even.
He's taller than Ceroba.

>>3811132
He can be a real man AND wear his (equally tall) wife's dresses better than her, this isn't a mutually exclusive thing

>>3811135
Hes taller than ceroba, starlo martlet, dalv, etc etc

>>3811122
>Chujin larps as Gendo
>Shu larps as Goku
>Darkblade larps as Sasuke
Are all male foxes anime larpers?

>>3811136
what you are telling me chujin is both a real man and a femboi? That hes somehow both?

>>3811129
okay so besides that how does ceroba die? Does ceroba volunteer herself as a test subject or something?

>>3811136
Chujin wearing Roba's clothes:

>>3811142
>Does ceroba volunteer herself as a test subject or something?
Yeah, lets say Roba is the boss monster here, so she volunteers as the test subject.

>>3811101
Thanks for the ideas! Some of these are genuinely compelling and worth a visit. Honestly I would rather work under a team under the direction of someone with ideas than independently, but perhaps this could be an interesting endeavour. (If anyone here needs a programmer of some sort I could volunteer myself.)

>>3811110
Perhaps, but when it comes to producing quality sprites like Ceroba in the Pacifist fight I would be at a loss for work.

>>3811147
okay that works.
So instead of mom having regrets. Its instead dad being obssesed over his mistakes to the point he ignores the things he already have (which is already a preexisting theme for chujin in uty)

>>3811150
>If anyone here needs a programmer of some sort I could volunteer myself
You know any assembly? What languages do you know?

>>3811152
Why Assembly? Are you the guy making the GB port?
(Also, crazy that we're getting the GameBoy port before the 3DS port.)

>>3811156
he might be oldentale anon and is making a whole ass engine for fangames so that they can run on older machines.
which tracks given that he's using assembly.

>>3811156
Oldentale dev. I need x86 assembly help, since I don't have any way to playback MOD music in DOS. I have a library picked out for my language of choice which does that stuff, but its only on Windows. Plus assembly is always good to have in case I ever need to do something my language of choice (freebasic) doesn't do natively or when I need stuff to run faster.

But I could just use a programmer anyways, since I barely know what I'm doing on that front.

>>3811159
I'm using FreeBASIC, but part of the BASIC experience is shoving in line assembly in whenever you need to do something that your dialect of BASIC doesn't support natively. Usually you'd use pre-made libraries for this, but I've run into a need where there are no pre-existing FreeBASIC libraries or libraries with FreeBASIC bindings for.

Plus I've just got a lot of stuff on my plate, and any help with any of it would be greatly appreciated.

>>3811156
>>3811161
To add to this, you don't even have to know either of those languages. Just having an experienced programmer on hand to give me advice and pointers would be great. Since I'm a complete novice at this.

Or hell if you wanted to do the engine yourself in C (or whatever language) and SDL (or whatever library that fits the needs of the game) I wouldn't say no. I'm not asking that of you because that's a really big ask, but I wouldn't say no if you offered.

Does anyone else notice that gamejolt anon spends all his time in that 4 x 2 place

>>3811181
Honestly I would too if their captchas weren't completely broken for me

>>3811183
why is it broken for you?

>>3811186
I don't know. It just is. Captchas don't work for me.

>>3811188
strange
can you tell me what your browser, operating system, and overall computer info is?

>>3811189
>Browser
NewMoon (Palemoon fork, largely identical to the main branch), Supermium (Chromium fork for legacy systems).
>Operating system
Windows XP
>Overall Computer info
Pentium 4 HT 3 GHz CPU and 2GB RAM.

The captcha gets stuck "validating" on Supermium, then while the captcha text is continuously reloading. In NewMoon it doesn't ever say "validating" but it does say "wrong answer or expire captcha" every time I answer the captcha, and the captcha text is still constantly reloading.

>>3811196
>windows xp
>supermium
yeah I see the problem here. You need to upgrade your system. And change the os and browser to something more modern.
But I think you already know that

>>3811196
Same thing happens on my end, I just solve the captcha once and then I wait while the text "waiting for validation" is displayed, after a while the post gets published

>>3811198
No, they need to fix their captchas. There's no reason I should need more than this to post on an imageboard. My browsers are up to date and fully functional.

>>3811200
>>3811201
Well the same case is for me but the others dudes issue seems to be constant reloading or stuck.
Wait, oldentale anon? Have you at least waited for a while. Does it eventually get posted or fixed?

>>3811196
for me if I wait a few minutes on the validating screen it eventually goes through, that is only needed the first time then the cookies get saved in the browser and you should be able to just post without waiting

>>3811200
Now its not even letting me see the captcha window anymore. Its just not giving me one. Which is another thing it does. I think I'd have to delete my cookies and reload the page to try it again.
>>3811203
I've waited a while before, it just sat there stuck on validating. Its possible its doing some horrendously difficult proof of work captcha in the background and if I waited long enough it'd eventually post, but 5-10 minutes is my limit before I assume its just broken.
>>3811204
see above

>>3811139
Of course. It's like Clark Kent and Superman, swap the outfit and he becomes a different character in the eyes of others'. And Ceroba can swap from tardtradwife to tomboy with the same method.

>>3811206
>Its possible its doing some horrendously difficult proof of work captcha in the background and if I waited long enough it'd eventually post, but 5-10 minutes is my limit before I assume its just broken.
solution.
Just leave it on during the middle of the night and then go to sleep.
I do that sometimes when I have to wait for something.

>>3811207
Imagine if Chujin and Ceroba dressed as each other for Halloween, and they pulled it off so well that everyone thought they forgot to dress up.

>>3811207
>he can switch from femboi to chadjin with a switch of a clothes
such....power

>>3811172
Majority of my work is in C++, but whatever you need help with I can try my best to assist.

>>3811216
Well what are you willing to do? Think you could pick up FreeBASIC? Its a simple language, that's why I chose it, and unlike other BASIC dialects it has some object oriented features which might make it easier for a C++ guy like yourself.

Or hell like I said earlier. If you wanted to do the whole thing in C++ and SDL 1.2 I'd gladly accept that. That's a silly thing to ask for, but I might as well ask so I can know where we stand.

I kinda want to say something schizophrenic

>>3811243
Don't even ask, just do it.

>>3811248
Flowey says the world is kill or be killed. In a way flowey was right but also wrong.
When the first cells, organisms and etc emerged from life, they needed energy. They needed energy to grow, to expand, to multiply.
And how did they achieve this? By killing and consuming other organisms.
Carnivores would eat other organisms. Omnivores would eat other organisms. Even herbivores would technically kill and eat other organisms (plants).
The fundamental basis of life is the murder, consumption and etc of the other. Even in our more civilized states humans would create industrialized slaughter butcheries or mechanized farms so to kill and consume living organisms.
Flowey was right but wrong. Life is not kill or be killed. Life is eat or be eaten

>>3811251
Yeah, but if Toby put that in the game it would've incited all the vorefags.

>>3811255
Eh, there's already a decent amount of vore stuff for UT/DR anyway.

>>3811263
But imagine how much worse it would've been if Flowey said eat or be eaten

>>3811266
Eh, fair.
I mean, being frank, aren't those kinda the same things? You generally can't eat something without killing it, so it's not like it makes too much of a difference here.

>>3811272 nta
Its pretty simmilar but eat or be eaten implies a specific type of murder. One that would appeal to the vore fags.

>>3811273
Okay yeah, but discussions of vore aside, I'm moreso replying to the original anon's assertion that Flowey was wrong in saying that the world is kill or be killed, and that the correct ideology would be "eat or be eaten". I'm not really sure that's correct, since the reason why things eat and are eaten is out of necessity, since most lifeforms tend to stop living if they go too long without eating something, whereas "killing" is a much broader concept with more nuance to it.
I mean, Flowey's still wrong either way, I just don't think the idea of "eating" is anymore correct than "killing".

>>3811274
Im the original poster and I was just schizoposting.
Theres numerous holes in what i said. But i just like to schizopost sometimes

>>3811278
Don't worry, schizoposting is what this site is for.
That, and people making way too serious responses to other people's schizoposts.

>>3811281
true trve and true

>>3811076
>there are fewer C++ wrappers for it
What do you see as the advantages of a C++ wrapper over just using the libraries as-is? I consider near-effortless C interop to be one of the best things about C++, so I'm curious as to what someone on the other side of the fence might say.

>>3811220
>C++ and SDL 1.2
Wait 1.2 targets DOS?

>>3811284
>Wait 1.2 targets DOS?
No, but I might be willing to sacrifice DOS support if it meant I got an engine for free. There is a port of SDL to DOS, but I have no idea whether its in a complete and usable state.

>>3811161
>MOD music
I'm not too familiar with old formats but is there a reason you're using MOD instead of the more common MIDI? Asking purely out of curiosity

>>3811220
>>3811290
Why 1.2 specifically?

>>3811161
>I don't have any way to playback MOD music in DOS
I definitely remember playing around with trackers on DOS in the early 90s, they exist
>>3811311
MOD sounds better than midi. Look at the original Unreal or Deus Ex for examples

>>3811387
Win 9x support mainly. SDL 2 requires win2k and newer,
>>3811311
MIDI forces you to use whatever instruments come on your sound card's ROM. Which results in it sounding wildly different from system to system, and quite frankly just kinda bad unless you're using a high end external MIDI device like a sound canvas, MOD brings its own instruments, so it sounds good on everything, And it allows me to have more variety in the kind of instruments.
>>3811428
I can play MOD music, I just have to be able to play it in my game. Whether or not I can listen to it in ScreamTracker has little bearing on whether or not its playing during an enemy encounter.

>>3811220
I'll do whatever I can to be of assistance. Not sure if modern editions of Clang still support compiling to Windows 9x systems though. Hell, if running native is not a huge concern we could even use an old version of Java if that makes your life easier. I haven't ever worked with BASIC or any of its dialects, was there a specific reason your game uses BASIC as its engine language, did you find it difficult to obtain decent documentation for an older language?

>>3811284
C++ idioms are a much nicer way to program in my opinion. Prefer RAII and smart pointers over new/delete and malloc()/free(), prefer templates and concepts/type constraints over SFINAE and void*, prefer modular translation units over headers (if the compiler actually supports them), etc.
Even just trivial things like methods over global procedures, references over raw pointers, namespaces, constexpr over #define just feel so much nicer to work with.

>>3811452
>Hell, if running native is not a huge concern we could even use an old version of Java if that makes your life easier.
I don't know any Java, and I've heard its a bit on the resource intensive side. Besides it requires a proprietary and rather bulky runtime to work. I just want something that uses simple Win32 functions. I also don't know if Java requires Opengl for graphics, which is something I'm trying to avoid. I want a simple 2d software renderer that just uses GDI to display an image on Windows.
>I haven't ever worked with BASIC or any of its dialects, was there a specific reason your game uses BASIC as its engine language,
Its simple enough that I feel confident that I can learn it while working on a project, its not resource intensive at all, and I just find it to be cool.
>did you find it difficult to obtain decent documentation for an older language?
FreeBASIC, which is the dialect and compiler I'm using now is still actively maintained, comes with a good manual, and has an active forum dedicated to it. The only problems I've had with it is that there aren't many tutorials available for it and that recently their forums have been getting ddos'd, so accessing them was a bit difficult. Previously I was using QuickBASIC, which has lots of beginner friendly documentation available, including plenty of tutorials on most of the things I'm trying to do, the language basically expects you to use in line assembly for half of your routines. Like the proper way to do graphics and real time keyboard input in quick basic involves writing assembly routines for each. There's a way to do both without it, but its considered a bad way to do it. The good thing about FreeBASIC is that it's largely compatible with QuickBASIC, so a lot of those tutorials are still applicable.

>>>/v/716108973
and here we are, the last green from the last thread.
>* hug
>Kanako "c-cole what are you doing? you know i dont like-"
>+70HP
>K "... fine. but no more today."
>---
>* hug
>K "cole."
>+90
>K "... i'll allow it a little more since it heals. but thats it.
>---
>* hug
>K "cole. could you please-"
>+120
>K "alright, i suppose it is our only source of healing."
>---
>Rosa "oh hey cole what does that act do?"
>K "wait cole not in front of her!"
>* hug
>K "damnit."
>+160
>R "so when you two-"
>Cole "one more word and we are starting a battle against you."
>R "fine, fine. i understand"
>K "thank you"
>R "two embarrassed lovebirds. hardly an original trope"
>* BATTLE START
>---
>K "cole im low on health, give me a hug"
>* hug
>K "HEY WAIT A MINUTE"
>+210
>K "DAMNIT COLE. I SHOULD HATE HUGS."
>C "you dont anymore."
>K "ah screw you dude. but i guess thats our main source of healing now"
>---
>* hug
>+MAX
>K "hey im still mad about you making me enjoy hugs"
>C "i know you are."
>K "seriously, how did you do that?"
>C "all i did was hug you"
>K "ok yeah but how? how does that work???"
>C "maybe you always liked them?"
>K "nah thats stupid. it was probably soul magic, like how you can do that shooting thing in the light world."
>C "are you saying that the 'just' outcome was you liking hugs"
>K "no- i mean- shut up!"

https://youtu.be/clxCJmmxdAA the new ts!underswap boogiemen sprites suck, they lack the charm and soul from the previous sprites

>>3811574
>check comments hoping that people are calling out how the new sprites suck
>its actually all hollow praise for the dev team
as usual, fucking grim.

>>3811581
the UT community in general has low standards, any project that actually gets more than a single area will be viewed as an accomplishment

>>3811581
the community as a whole seems to have a problem with pathological positivity. They're simply incapable of criticizing things even when they need it. Glad to see this section of it doesn't have that problem.

>>3811574
can you post the originals for comparison?

>>3811590
NTA, but there it is, https://youtu.be/cS9ipM_-JPQ

>>3811593
Shit, that is a major downgrade.

>>3811583
Ive noticed this with dry. A lot of people are too positive/non critical about it.

>>3811565
Good stuff, think you'll take green requests again sometime?

>>3811459
Well I would be happy to help you anyway I can

>>3811619
of course, next /v/ threa- wait no i wont be at my computer then. damn.

>>3811574
wow making them more expressive just made them worse

>>3811620
Would you be willing to pick up FreeBASIC or make an attempt at assembly then?

>>3811621
What, next next-time then?

>>3811631
the /v/ thread in two weeks.

>>3811632
Alright, cool. Hopefully that thread doesn't get shelled by that time.

>>3811617
Depends on the place in my experience. Some of the best criticisms for it came out of here and the other place(i.e. the Foxlace suggestion), but the sub and the UTY sub tried to defend DRY1's weird route.

>>3811641
This place and the 4 x 2 had the best criticisms. The most valuable criticisms.
Meanwhile the subreddits and the gamejolt was usuaalaly just constant positivity. I had to ask people for criticisms even if it was nitpicky in the gamejolt. I did consider doing the same thing on the subreddit, but I changed my mind.

>>3811644
>usuaalaly
usually

>>3811622
I like how larry's original battle sprite was like, just him chilling. It showed his personality off better than his new generic battle pose does

>>3811668
Its funny but also sad
Like you can tell they put a lot of effort into making larry expressive.
But the original less expressive sprite just had better personality and character. All that effort for a inferior product

>>3811452
>C++ idioms are a much nicer way to program in my opinion
I had an inkling that was the case. I'm still not sure I understand what the inherent benefit of a wrapper is over the original libraries, since to my understanding you can still use these idioms in your own code that interfaces with the library. Is it just to remove some of the busywork, or is there something deeper I'm not understanding?
>modular translation units
I genuinely did not know C++ had this lol. My knowledge of idiomatic, "modern" C++ is still very rudimentary. I gotta look more into this, thanks for bringing it to my attention

>>3811428
>>3811443
You can use MIDI with a custom soundfont. Still doesn't give you quite as many options with manipulating the notes as tracker music, but you can still make great sounding music with that.
The biggest convenience of MIDI is you can easily mix notes of different quantizations (ex. 24th and 32nd) in a single pattern. You can still do it with tracker music, but it requires awkward workarounds (most artists eventually settled for recording notes that aren't powers of 2 as separate big samples lasting the entire pattern).

>>3811719
>You can use MIDI with a custom soundfont
Can I do that with nothing but a Sound Blaster 16 though?

>>3810341
>>3810346
also there's an undertale halloween hack soundtrack on soundcloud that has a shitton of songs, including no more nuzzles which really took off
>I saw an attempt at a UTY Halloween Hack comic a while ago that's actually still ongoing
link?

>>3811724
https://www.vgmpf.com/Wiki/index.php?title=CMF
Been a thing since the beginning of Soundblasters, though I don't know how much freedom you had with customizing your samples.
AWE32 onward had proper support of arbitrary soundfonts.

Flowey states the world is kill or be killed. He is right rbut not in the way he means.
In the real world organisms must have at least killed and consume another creature so to gain energy. Sure organisms might group up together, but these groups would also often target and kill other groups.
For example in the wild, if an animal hasnt killed another animal or plant or etc, then they are guaranteed to die. Either be it by hunger or being targeted by another animal, due to their weakened state.
Even civilization cant escape this. Humans rely on mechanized butchers or industrial farms to raise and kill off plants so humans could survive. Basically killing through proxy.
So in a sense flowey was right but not in his weird edgy psuedo philosphy sense. Flowey was right in the sense that the foundation of life is kill or be killed. If an animal refuses to kill, they will die. Be it indirect or direct.

>>3811776
you already posted this, anon

>>3811783
Yes but I edited some stuff and reposted it for others who didnt see it. Just to see how they would think of it.
but eh

>>3811626
I guess so, yeah, what did you have in mind? Also I'm not really any good with Assembly besides once or twice using inline assembly blocks and that was purely for experimentation.

>>3811718
> Is it just to remove some of the busywork, or is there something deeper I'm not understanding?
I guess you could write your own wrapper, but I would rather just use a wrapper someone else wrote and tested already and save myself the trouble. The idea is instead of manually using SDL_CreateWindow/SDL_DestroyWindow, just using an object like sdl::Window and calling a constructor and destructor as needed. Or even having a class sdl::Window call SDL_CreateWindow and store it in a smart pointer so you can just avoid all manual allocation.
Also method syntax is just nicer, I prefer to use
sdl::Window win(/* your parameters here */);
win.maximizeWindow();
win.minimizeWindow();
win.restoreWindow();
over
SDL_Window* win = SDL_CreateWindow(/* your parameters here */);
SDL_MaximizeWindow(win);
SDL_MinimizeWindow(win);
SDL_RestoreWindow(win);
>I genuinely did not know C++ had this lol.
Modules were added in C++20 but compilers only started have somewhat decent support for them maybe a year ago, and honestly C++ should've added it years ago. Basically instead of writing #include
you could theoretically write something like
import sdl;
and just import the symbols in the library like that.
The idea is that because they don't rely on the preprocessor, you can just compile them once instead of compile them in every file you include them in which is faster to compile, also you can manually control what the library exposes by marking symbols export.
Generally a pretty great feature, if they introduced it a few decades ago it as they should have it would be way more popular than it is now.
Modern C++ is only starting to get features most modern languages like Rust or even Java and C# have had for a while now, lol

>>3811798
>I guess so, yeah, what did you have in mind?
General programming advice is what I need right now. Like an explanation of how pixel by pixel scrolling works. Or just trying to get rid of the unknown unknowns of the project. Figure out what all I need to make an Undertale engine, and how that kind of stuff is usually done.

So far I know I want
>MOD music
>WAV audio playback for sound effects
>Tile based 2d renderer with scrolling
>Some way to save data to disk
>A way to copy that data to new disks since I have a gimmick of putting each chapter on its own 1.44MB disk

before I gave Yellow a shot, I remember seeing people talk about the "undeserved" hopes and dreams in A mothers love. being spoiled on a lot of the story I thought I would feel the same, but honestly all the problems with ceroba being what happens after the fight, the song is really good. I don't know what else to say, I just have the game living rent free in my head and since i didn't play it on release I didn't get to engage in new game discussion threads.

>>3811841
>the song is really good. I don't know what else to say
It is a good song, at most you could argue it's a bit cheesy using hopes and dreams but I felt it fit thematically with Ceroba's character.
>something something Ceroba is realizing that her hopes and dreams™ are slipping away and she's going to lose her chance to get Kanako back

>>3811844
> are slipping away and she's going to lose her chance to get Kanako back
she accepted kanako was pretty much dead

>>3811844
I went into it expecting to hate ceroba but yeah the moments of her grief during and at the end of the fight actually felt pretty well. I think if they hadn't had her be the first one to agree to clovers suicide I'd have no issues with her arc, its tragic and honestly ceroba IS dumb. we see it play out over the game that she's just kind of dumb and loyal to a fault, and against my expectations I was endeared to it by the end.

>>3811849
>I think if they hadn't had her be the first one to agree to clovers suicide I'd have no issues with her arc,
You need to fix more than that. As it is shes aware of asgores genocide plan, while at the same time thinking it would most likely fail. If thats accounted then ceroba was okay with clover dying for a cause to destroy his species. While at the same time thinking that cause would probably fail and monster kind loses again.
1. the devs had to make it so that chujin told ceroba that no asgore is not gonna commit genocide.
2. The devs had to make it so that ceroba says oh perhaps the plan wont fail. Perhaps humans and monsters can get along

>>3811850
>You need to fix more than that. As it is shes aware of asgores genocide plan, while at the same time thinking it would most likely fail. If thats accounted then ceroba was okay with clover dying for a cause to destroy his species. While at the same time thinking that cause would probably fail and monster kind loses again.

this ties into the fact that she's genuinely kind of dumb. it plays out a few times as you know her in the steamworks, her involving her daughter in the experiment is pushing it but again, she's really dumb, much dumber than she realizes. I can see her not connecting dots very well, but I think her realizing how similar what clover was doing to what kanako did should have been the realization moment "im an idiot, I've been an idiot for a long time! im making the same mistake again!".
with her not having that realization then everything afterwards is going to be a bit stupid because she was denied the logical end of her character arc so she just continues being obliviously dumb.

>>3811854
>with her not having that realization then everything afterwards is going to be a bit stupid because she was denied the logical end of her character arc so she just continues being obliviously dumb.
Indeed all the problem goes back to that. The logical end of her character arc was just ignored or not implemented. There is no character development in the end

>>3811855
Im content accepting at this point that the devs did an amazing job considering its a fangame, hell even not considering it being a fangame, and just "headcannoning" that ceroba would not have acted how she did in the post fight. its frustrating but everything else leading up to that moment points to her making different decisions at the end.

>>3811859
congratulations thats pretty much what a lot of us here think.
The good news is theres still a lot of fanfics and stuff where she makes a different choice. So at least we still have that

>>3811861
yeah, i've been diving down the rabbit hole reading what I can and grabbing art when I see it. I dont have much of a folder built up since I'm late to the party but Im impressed with how much high quality stuff there is.

>>3811862
The community is very passionate despite how small it is. just be careful about that certain uty subreddit which is filled with oc's lately.
But yeah theres been some bangers such as dont bear the weight of this world alone.

>>3811859
>Not a single one of these battle themes are bad
I'm still in awe that UTY managed to have a pretty good, well rounded, soundtrack. The usage of leitmotifs are on par with Toby's work as well which I couldn't help but yiik out when I noticed them.

>>3811864
post game i've started noticing the lietmotifs and it caught me off guard. it re-cemented to me that this was a passion project.
>>3811863
I took a peek at that place and yeah its about what you'd expect. its kind of a shock seeing communities like that when you don't browse other places .

>>3811865
it used to be "better" but it became even more of a cesspit over time.
Its what happens when theres no new content for this game. All thats left is just oc oc oc oc oc
Ive been avoiding that place for a while

>>3811866
yeah I saw a few images that were "oh this is mildly cute" and then "this is the painful kind of autism". I've also been shocked that the /v/ threads that manage to happen are some of the most civil i've ever seen.

>>3811867
>this is the painful kind of autism".
ceroba fun time...
shu....
furry self insert chujin son..........
SONIC.........
GOKU....
AHHHHHH
> also been shocked that the /v/ threads that manage to happen are some of the most civil i've ever seen.
all the good posters from vg went to there

>>3811868
also im suprised no one here talked about that weird
I am half human half ketsekune hybrid who was tortured by chujin. Btw I have super power teleporting powers, technically the child of chujin and ceroba, and also have chujins soul inside me

>>3811847
>she accepted kanako was pretty much dead
more like the devs did so they wouldnt need to make more stuff

>>3811870
that too

>>3811869
>I am half human half ketsekune hybrid who was tortured by chujin. Btw I have super power teleporting powers, technically the child of chujin and ceroba, and also have chujins soul inside me
For the love of god, tell me that's just some hyper-exaggeration and not a real thing someone made

>>3811872
HEHEHEHEHHEHE.HHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_CWDbXkL8o
IM NOT EXAGGERATING, SOMEONE MADE THAT
(tho that person was 16 so its understandable)

>>3811873
Alright, I'll bite.
Where is it?

>>3811874
I have to find it, give me some time

>>3811875
https://www.reddit.com/r/UndertaleYellow/search/?q=hybrid+fate&cId=0fe99016-cf11-4298-9cd6-cc1228162aaa&iId=44ee8dc8-d2d5-4d88-b876-6df0c46ca595
read these comics. Now i will go. need to do stuff

>>3811877
>read these comics.
Buddy, I don't know if I could stomach a single one of these things, but I guess I'll have to read enough to verify what you've said about them.

>>3809827
I've been quiet for a few days but I finally got around to combining the files.
Game seems stable so far, but then again I only just started on the Genocide route (I'm still in the dark ruins as I'm typing the post).
I'll post the data.win file once I get far enough to confirm that both mods are working (mostly) bug free.

>be me
>troll the vg thread with a fake fan image
>discuss it as if its real
>alot of anons unironically think its real
>sadly uncovered but only after a bunch of anons revealed that they thought it was real
kek

>>3811905
link it.

>>532593225
they thought it was real

>>3811909
they thought it was real
>>>/vg/532593225

>>3811912
lmao, dumb fucks.

>>3811914
yup, LMAO

tfw you spend days to program a segment that lasts less than 30 seconds

>>3811927
looks nice though

>>3811841
i do know of the uty devs discord. Im gonna see if I can contact them again through dms. I have certain questions

>>3811927
You might want to make them jump out of the way a bit sooner. As is those scissors very clearly hit them.

>>3811927
ah, but now you can use it in other segments
always gotta think of the future

>>3811927
looks quite honestly, it's nice idea for a segment.

I do recommend adding wood debris being thrown around when the scissor cut the bridge, otherwise it just looks like the bridge is getting deleted rather than destroyed.

I came up with this weird schizo idea of dess being chara a long time ago. Of course, I quickly realized it was super retarded, but its still has interesting potential.
Just portray a character in a certain way in the previous game. Make them seem "evil" or kinda fucked up in the head. Make people have this certain perception of them.
And then in the next game make what seems like a new character. Make people become attached to that character. Make them create all these headcanons and theories of what this character is like. And then overtime reveal that new character is the old character if they lived in a different environment.
It would be interesting screwing peoples minds like that. While expanding a previous characters personality a lot

>>3812290
is this related to fangames somehow?

undertale tanathos finally posted a new update

>>3811884
Hey, can you post some screenshots of the martlet mod at some point? I'm curious as to what it looks like, especially in the zartlet fight, but not enough to actually install it and play through the whole thing.

>>3812420
Its related in the sense I might use this concept for a fangame or not. Just wondering if its a bad idea

>>3812447
Could be neat. I wouldn't do it with any of the canon UT characters though. We've got too many AUs of them already. Might be cool if you did it with integrity. The reverse might also be cool. Like if you did something with evilRoba instead of tardRoba.

>>3812426
What's this one about?

>>3812467
based on some dust AU by some guy on deviantart, so it will likely be edgy if it ever gets out of the ruins

>>3811934
what kind of questions? I sent one of them a DM before realizing they'll never see it since all incoming DMs are legions of spambots

>>3812488
some lore questions regarding cerobas greater family, chujins dad, true lab stuff, beta roba and etc. If you have any questions, I will try to send it to them.

>>3812492
it's autism but I just tried sending well wishes for their efforts in making the game. after realizing they'd never see my previous message I felt like it would be awkward to just hunt down places to send them messages, but after hearing that they got death threats over the game I wanted to express some positivity

>>3812494
> after realizing they'd never see my previous message I felt like it would be awkward to just hunt down places to send them messages,
eh its akward but I dont think they will mind it. The plan for me is to just not spam messages but occasionally send some until i establish contact. I dont think they will mind if I only do it occasionally and respectfully
> got death threats over the game I wanted to express some positivity
you have a good soul anon. heh

>>3812494
fucking wild to me that people would send death threats over a fangame.
wonder what the details were.
rabid headcanoners mad that their exact interpretation wasnt used? toby purists? general "REEE TRANNY GAME" stuff?

>>3812497
its probably the former about the headcannoners because UTY feels like it is under the radar from the "ree tranny game" crowd.
>>3812496
hopefully you manage to get some of your questions answered. it's pretty cool hearing some of the mindset they were working with.

>>3812499
>hopefully you manage to get some of your questions answered. it's pretty cool hearing some of the mindset they were working with.
I really want too, especially since theres a certain situation i had with them that confused me.

>>3812501
>I really want too
*I really want that

I wonder how the Russian BnP remake is doing.
>give me alone

>>3812503
oh god that godawful translation mess

is shades of justice worth playing now that i've gone through the main game? I heard it tried to give you more time with the different characters.

DRYanon2 here, after entirely too much procrastination im actually putting in active effort again (for one day because im sleeping soon and in two days i wont be at my pc for a week. but its here, the momentum will stick)
now, as i progress in the battle system there's a thing i need to sort out sooner rather than later: action order.
in base DR its
>immediate: TP influencers like defending, TP items, and tp costs.
>ACTs
>magic, sparing, and items.
>fighting
i kinda want to expand and shuffle this a bit, picrel is what it'll be for DRY2. a bit more split up and granular.
some explanations for the arrangement.
>items before anything else
i want healing to be a bit more strict than DR, which includes making it so that you wont just be stocking up on a billion healing items.
items will have more unique effects like increased damage, easier crits, or more mercy%.
so this means items have to be before almost everything, no point in even using a mercy% item if it happens after the party member that acts, acts.
>support and offense spells split into different order groups
i want everything fight/damage related to come after sparing, and everything act/support related before. simple as
>sleep spells at the end
to enable making an enemy tired and putting them to sleep in the same turn.

my question is what peoples thoughts on this are. any critique on the order of things?

>>3812511
Make it so defending after sparing an enemy still raises your tp. Items coming first is a great idea, and I don't see why Toby didn't include it.

you will be able to return to the cliffs (there will be a minigame there on return) and warp to the forest now
also something wrong with the other place? I haven't been able to access it lately

>>3812562
Their infrastructure is shit and so is their web code. I wouldn't be surprised if its just a bug making it impossible for you specifically to access it. That's what happened to me.

thread? (might be short lived)
>>>/v/716500673

kanako GODS...
>>>/v/716500673

>>716108973
Oh kek that was mine, amazed I happened to click on this thread and see this, thank you anon

>>3811798
>I would rather just use a wrapper someone else wrote and tested already and save myself the trouble
Ah, I get you. It does help having peace of mind knowing at least one other person has tested bindings, also you don't have to put any effort in yourself lmao
>Or even having a class sdl::Window call SDL_CreateWindow and store it in a smart pointer so you can just avoid all manual allocation
This may be a contrived example, but I looked at the source of SDL_DestroyWindow and it seems to do some cleanup code beyond freeing the memory. To my understanding, smart pointers would circumvent the cleanup code from a direct DestroyWindow call. Wouldn't this cause problems, or is it generally not a cause for concern?
>Modules were added in C++20 but compilers only started have somewhat decent support for them maybe a year ago
Yeah, that compiler support matrix looks pretty disappointing. This is something I missed from eg. Go, and I was really interested in checking it out. Yet GCC doesn't seem to support half the spec, not to mention I can't tell whether the build systems I've been trying even support it.

>>3811927
Cutman from megaman is an enemy?

>>3811927
>>3812005
Yeah, just have cole look up, grab kanako's front paw and have them quickly move out of the way, then the gameplay part begins (just have cole let go of kanako's front paw after they move her away from the first scissors)

>>3813134
so similar to the kris and susie scene in chapter 3? got it

>post in deltarune thread that got axed
>3 day from /v/, didn't even link the post just said don't reply to non-vidya
based, DR is truly the first non-vidya vidya.

>>3812996
>To my understanding, smart pointers would circumvent the cleanup code from a direct DestroyWindow call.
I think you could wrap it in another class, and then have
class WindowCarrier {
SDL_Window* winInstance;

~WindowCarrier() {
SDL_DestroyWindow();
}
};
and then do
class Window {
UniquePtr win;
};
My guess is you could do something like that, either way some destructor will have to call DestroyWindow().

>Yet GCC doesn't seem to support half the spec, not to mention I can't tell whether the build systems I've been trying even support it.
Your best bet is to use Clang, since it has the best support (excluding MSVC because MSVC kind of sucks). As for build systems, you can choose something like CMake (extremely verbose and obnoxious to use) or XMake (newer and far more comfy, you just write Lua). You can find more about toolchains and module support here:
https://arewemodulesyet.org/

putting this here and probably in the other place as well, as it technically relates to fangames.
The dark world Martlet discussion a little while ago clawed its way into my brain and I decided to do something a bit productive to satiate it.
>General Design:
Took some inspiration from Aragorn and Boromir's outfits in Fellowship for her clothes, just with more blue. Her feathers were originally going to be a light gray color but I couldn't get it to look right so I went with a blue-tinged white to keep the contrast while not clashing with the rest of her scheme.
>Why white and not Zartlet
I find the use of Zartlet for her Dark World form to be frankly lazy and more often than not, a missed opportunity for creativity(not to mention most of them look whatever at best). As for the colors, turning her feathers white adds a good contrast to her darker-hued clothes. It was also supposed to be a reference to a swan's coloration, as swans are fiercely protective of their young and I doubt Martlet would tolerate anyone hurting Cole.
>Why Ranger?
the original discussion mostly talked about how it could be used as a joke. i.e. this mysterious hooded character helping Cole and Kanako, only to be revealed as Martlet who has no clue what's going on. However, seemingly all Lightners get an appearance that fits into a sort of archetype(Toriel being a queen/matriarch, Susie being a bruiser, Noelle an ice mage, etc etc)
>Weapon?
The /v/ thread had a better idea about this than what I thought up. In keeping with the ranger theming, her nametag turns into an ivory bow, with her shed feathers becoming arrows.
>Why do this?
The worm would not leave, and it turned out to be a bit of fun doing a glorified sprite edit.
I don't expect Martlet to actually show up in a Dark World in DRY1(or DRY2 for that matter), but wanted to do something like that regardless.

>>3809661 (OP)
>Last post in the /v/ thread was about Shu
How does he do it?

fun end to that one, i'll get those last three greens in a little bit (>>>/v/716514120 >>>/v/716516043 >>>/v/716543763)

thread died before I got to finish my reply
>>>/v/716545193
Shu's larp would be a lot more down to Earth since Deltarune isn't a fantasy world. Instead of pretending to be Goku, he's pretending to be Bruce Lee. Which would be a lot more believable for a teenager. Even then he still could catch on to his brother's bullshit. At that point I don't know what would happen to Shu, playing pretend with his brother was kinda the only good thing he has going for him.

It might be better to make DR Wei younger than Kanako, so Shu's character can be kept intact. Either that or Wei has grown a developed into what's basically a mini Shu, only minus the self doubt.

>>3813170
Furry Hercule is a funny concept.

>>3813147
>My guess is you could do something like that, either way some destructor will have to call DestroyWindow().
Yeah, in that case I think it makes most sense to just throw it in the destructor instead of wrapping a class inside another class. I see the utility of smart pointers for the types you make or the ones without destruction logic, though
>Your best bet is to use Clang, since it has the best support (excluding MSVC because MSVC kind of sucks).
I'll try that, thanks for the suggestion. I actually use Clang for its LSP even though I generally build with GCC lol.
>XMake (newer and far more comfy, you just write Lua)
Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Xmake looks really nice, especially since I'm coming from Premake.
For what it's worth, my two requirements for a build system are that (a) it facilitates cross-compilation, and (b) it can easily be distributed alongside the source code. Zig is perfect for these needs, but to my knowledge executables emitted from that don't run on Windows <8.1, and the entire reason I use C++ instead of Zig itself is for legacy system support.

>>3811266
Hey, who said it has to be lame vore where you swallow whole monsters? It's all about taking chunks out of monsters, Toriel's thighs look tasty to grill.

>>3811283
Do not look up what Fox pee contains.

>>3813173
Maybe Wei has turned into an actually good martial artist and he no longer believes in his brother's bullshit, but he can't bring himself to shatter Shu's illusions, he was the one who inspired him to begin training in martial arts after all, Wei still has some respect left for Shu

>>3813182
Maybe Wei is a good martial artist, but he believes his brother is better. Whenever the crazy dan-te tier super techniques he tries fail, he says that its because he hasn't mastered them yet, and that if it were his brother doing them it would've worked. They'd probably have a heart to heart at some point in a dark world where Shu reveals that he isn't a super karate man at all, and apologizes to Wei for lying to him. Then Wei tells him that he is great even if he doesn't believe in himself, and that even if he were the worst karate man to ever live, he'd still be the greatest because he's Wei's brother.

As far as Shu's dark world conflict. I could see him becoming attached to the dark world and not wanting to leave because in the dark world he actually does have super kung fu powers.

>>3813179
What, trimethylthiazoline? What about it?

>>3813187
That component is more or less part of the reason fox pee STINKS HARD (not as hard as like skunks or anything but damn it, i've been around foxes, they're cute but they are not made to be pets, given their territorial tendencies). Ceroba is a certified stinker.

And it gets worse if Ceroba is one of those desert foxes, Fennec foxes for example do not need water as they get hidrated with the stuff they eat, so their piss is even more concentrated. The ketsukanes are ketsustankes

>>3813190
Oh, that.
Meh, I'm sure it's manageable. Monsters apparently don't actually need to use bathrooms because of the way magic food works, so I imagine we're safe from that. That does beg the question of what would happen if a monster ate human food though.

>>3813193
>what would happen if a monster ate human food though.
I mean don't they already do that since a lot of stuff from the junkyard is just human trash, meaning that there's a good chance human food ends there?

>>3813197
Well, I wouldn't want to be around the kind of monster that would eat straight from a literal garbage dump in general, let alone when they go to the bathroom.

>>3813197
Also, doesn't this mean that Chara ate exclusively magic food when they lived with the Dreemurrs? I would be fascinated to see what that does to a human's digestive system, being kept perfectly alive and healthy but somehow going completely unused for potentially years on end has to have some kind of odd side effects. I imagine that means they never had to dispose of biological waste either.

>>3813193
Monsters can shit, they just don't because of no real food.

>>3813171
hmmm shit, nothin good's coming to me tonight for these.
and im away from the pc for five days tomorrow so i'll have 'em on thursday

>>3813205
Can they? A lot of monsters don't even seem like they have actual internal organs, and given how some monsters talk about human physiology (like monster kid in DR asking Kris what it's like to be made out of blood), that may very well be the case.

If deltarune yellow were to mirror a bit of deltarune for a bit, i'd honestly make put a Tenna equivalent to an arcade MAME machine like those you'd see in south america, if only because i've noticed that those are slowly disappearing (my town no longer has any of them), lamenting its inevitable decommision and trapping cloever and friends into a library of not!neogeo games.
It'd be like a true mix of spamton's businessman shit that involves robbing kid's [kromer] with cheap game design and tenna's showmanship to display how cool and advanced and groovy these arcade games are.

>>3813208
there's this one monster in grillby's that wants to try human food because it "goes all the way through you"
implies that they do have organs of some kind, and that if UT monsters had regular access to regular food they'd have actual bathrooms.

>>3813208
There's a toilet in Noelle's house. Why would an all monster house have a toilet if they're never going to use it. And what happens to all the physical matter in the food if they don't shit? All the food in Deltarune is real food.

If we just want to talk about Undertale, there's that mouth monster that wants to eat human food so it can know what it feels like to take a shit.

>>3813210
I had an idea like this a while ago. Only it was for a full fangame

Basically, its set in an arcade that's just closed for the last time. Pretty soon people are gonna show up and start taking all the machines out so they can be sold off. But before that can happen a dark world is created inside.

The dark world itself is like this giant Colosseum made of flashing incandescent and neon lights, metal, and tacky carpet. And the theme of the world is that its a big series Roman style games being held, with the games being based on the various arcade machines. The darkners themselves all know the arcade is going to be dismantled, so they're making the most of the time they have left when one final event before they go. And they're using you as the player.

The gimmick here is that it operates on arcade rules. That means limited lives and severe limitations are put on your ability to save. I don't know the specifics of it, but it would force you to play good to continue, and if you play bad enough, you lose and have to restart.

The final boss is this big scary knight who's supposed to be the oldest and toughest machine in the arcade. He's actually not even a video game, he's a hard as nails pinball machine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FASUZRYs0fM He has voice lines just like the song and hurls lightning at you. He's not trying to keep you there forever or anything. He just wants you to beat his challenge fair and square because no one else ever did.

>>3813214
>Why would an all monster house have a toilet if they're never going to use it.
Based on some stuff in-game regarding how Noelle's family treats Kris, it's not out of the question that they may have that toilet for them specifically. They used to spend a lot of time there, and I could potentially see Carol buying it on impulse because of that. There's also the idea I've seen thrown around that the Holiday family was originally supposed to get custody of Kris, and that toilet could be something they got in preparation for that, only for Kris to go to the Dreemurrs instead.

>>3813216
Oh forgot to mention, there would be a fake out where the boss is only ever described as "The Knight", so the player thinks the final boss is going to be the Roaring Knight, but then when you finally reach him his theme starts playing, he taunts you with a bit crushed voice line, and its revealed that its The Black Knight you're fighting instead.

>>3813217
Still, they all eat the same food. So what happens to it?

>>3813210
i had an idea where "cole's tenna" was an old cowboy movie VHS that he hasn't watched in forever, and the darkner struggles with the fact that cole just isnt 100% cowboy obsessed anymore. completely derailing things in the process of trying to "reignite" the cowboy.
posted in an earlier /v/ thread but i cant be bothered to dig it up right now.
i'd use it for DRY2 but the dark worlds all have plans that dont mesh well with the idea.

Man, some people complain the UTY characters look too furry, but white Ralsei is borderline a sparkledog OC.

>>3813251
People complained about white Ralsei too, even if we all got used to it after seven years. The black mage pastiche is just too perfect

>>3813217
I really want to say that's stupid, but...
The hospital, the school, the library, QC's, the flower shop, Sans' shop... we can see the entirety of those buildings, and none of them have public bathrooms. The police station doesn't have one for the cops OR the people in the detention cell. It could just be "Toby didn't want to devote time to making those rooms", but then why bother putting one in the Holiday manor?
B-but of course he'd put one in the manor because it's an important location that will be under more scrutiny. But Asgore was cleaning it, im-implying that it gets used, but w-we don't know if he was cleaning the toilet and maybe the Holidays just use the sink with the mirror and leave the toilet for Kris...
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA TOOOOOOOBYYYYYY

>>3813255
>we all got used to it after seven years
Excuse me, but I just keep on hating his new design more and more as time passes.
That line about his hat being lost forever feels straight up spiteful for the people who preferred the original design.

I'd dare to say I just like the whole main cast of the game less and less with each new release.

>>3813257
If you analyse the layout of the school in DR you will realise it makes no fucking sense. There are windows with sunlight coming from the inside of the building.
Toriel's hosue also doesn't make sense with the positions of the windows and all.
Toby just doesn't care about this sort of thing.

>>3813259
When I say "got used to it" I don't mean I like the design more, I just can't be bothered to actively complain about it now.
>I'd dare to say I just like the whole main cast of the game less and less with each new release.
Honestly, despite being almost obsessed with Ralsei in Chapter 1 I grew so tired of him playing games and hiding info that at the end of Chapter 4 I told him to keep smiling out of spite
I have a schizotheory that Ralsei taking off his hat wasn't "supposed" to happen regarding the in-game prophecy. Ralsei's HUD, the 8-bit game in Chapter 3, these little miscellaneous things use his Chapter 1 design from before he started having independent feelings and contemplating the idea of being a person and not just an object. If I'm right then we'd see the hat in the future, but it would be presented as a bad thing that Ralsei has to reject.

Hopefully we get a Hatted Ralsei mod for Chapters 3 & 4 before then, like we got one for Chapter 2.

>>3813279
>despite being almost obsessed with Ralsei in Chapter 1 I grew so tired of him playing games and hiding info that at the end of Chapter 4 I told him to keep smiling out of spite
Nta, but same. Little bastard can suffer for how he's been treating me. And Susie can too for joining in on his secret keeping.
>If I'm right then we'd see the hat in the future, but it would be presented as a bad thing that Ralsei has to reject.
I hope we can force him to wear it just like we can force him to smile.

>>3813259
>That line about his hat being lost forever feels straight up spiteful for the people who preferred the original design.
That and the Sans scene feel genuinely mean spirited towards the player. At least with the Sans one its supposed to feel shitty for narrative reasons, but the hat just feels like a fuck you to the player.

At least the Mikes were all in good fun.

>>3812511
>SupSpell
I think the turn order makes a lot of sense. In base DR it always bothered me how you couldn't attack and pacify on the same turn.
I'll have to wait and see it in action for a full judgement, but I do like how you're making the battle system more robust than the original games. I always felt like the act system prevented the kind of build customisation and flexible playstyles typical of standard RPGs, so expansions like these are very welcome.

>>3813257
The restaurants and grocery stores on my town dont have toilets, so the flower shop and sans' shop having no bathrooms is not illogical, also we didnt see the entirety of the hospital or the school so there could be bathrooms on these places anyways

>>3813288
>In base DR it always bothered me how you couldn't attack and pacify on the same turn.
It's another example of how much of an afterthought the pacify/beat-until-yellow mechanic is in the games. A real shame.

>>3813257
My stupid theory has weight to it and that will haunt you forever

>>3813223
No clue. The world of Deltarune seems to be a lot more grounded than the world of Undertale, with monsters not apparently being capable of using magic in the light world, so maybe they eat normal physical food? That doesn't explain the lack of toilets in all but two buildings though. Maybe monster physiology itself doesn't have the need to expel biological waste even when eating hard matter?

>>3813279
I'm mostly pissed off that so far he really is the "uwu fluffy boy who only lied to protect you". Ralsei feels like he was created to pander to a very specific kind of Asriel fan with all the hugging and bow shit from chapter 1, and the "step on me" shit keeps getting more annoying.

>>3813286
I can barely forgive the Mikes because the fight was fun, but it felt in really bad taste for me to turn to the camera and say "remember all the last 4 years of foreshadowing? it's was nothing [laughs]".
And these aren't the only things in poor taste from the new chapters.

>Papyrus is even less present
>Onionsan is nowhere to be seem
>Can't go back to castle town after chapter 4
>All the ominous foreshadowing for Tenna meant nothing, he is just another goofster
>half of chapter 3 is a zelda clone
>no traditional secret boss in chapter 3
>all the teasing for TV parodies from the newsletters meant barely anything
>chapter 4 barely has any non-generic side characters
>even more theory bait that will likely turn out to be nothing
>even more cliffhangers designed to make sure you can't stop thinking about the game and move on for a while (it's real funny to see the guy who built his career around making fun of cliche tropes to abuse one of the oldest tricks in the book)

And believe me, I'm not saying this out of blind hate. These games are part of some of my fondest memories from my youth, I do care for them a lot, or at least I used to.
There are a lot of things in the new release that were really good. Bullet patterns have never been better, the artwork is gorgeous, the music still has great pieces, a ton of hilarious moments, the new egg rooms were amazing. But all that gets brought down by the shit like I was talking about, unless you are the very specific kind of fan Toby bothers listening to.

I guess I just gotta learn to cope with the fact I've never been part of the target audience for those games.

>>3813284
>And Susie can too for joining in
Susie did nothing wrong, she doesn't have any idea (You) exist let alone trying to stop (You)
I probably shouldn't continue this topic since it's not a fangame though.


Had a DRY Chapter 2 thought today: What if Chujin was presented as a more antagonistic force during the first half of the chapter, but he was entirely unaware that there was anything unusual going on in Robotopia, let alone that his daughter dropped down? What if the first thing the party saw after entering the Dark World was a huge screen in the background with Chujin's face and speakers from all directions giving a Big Brother-style speech that sounds vaguely threatening? And this is a regular occurrence for the beginning part of the chapter, with Toster appearing at the spot where the current build's first appearance of Chujin is.

The twist is that all of the messages playing have been pre-recorded, and Chujin has kept himself in his workshop tinkering with whatever bots come in. Once Kanacole get to him and he finds out what Toster has been conspiring to do he tries to turn face and immediately gets locked up. A Pandora Palace/TV World section occurs, and the prerecorded Chujin tapes have been crudely spliced up to give explicit orders to all Darkeners to capture the party, like that Simpsons clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8uM0zOBuSw

>>3813305
>remember all the last 4 years of foreshadowing? it's was nothing [laughs]
I actually will defend Toby for that because, in hindsight, it seems pretty clear Toby never intended for Mike to be the red herring that the fandom thought he was. He did a bad job at trying to get the fandom away from Mike, and Toby saying "Mike isn't Tenna" or "Mike isn't the guy Spamton hates" only fueled further speculation. Toby seems to have included the Mike fight very late in development, since he mentions adding Pluey as one of the last things needed for development, and probably did so to throw Mike speculators a bone instead of him just being nothing.

And also, to go schizo for a moment, Mike MIGHT still be relevant. We don't know what Asgore took with him in the divorce, he could be in Chapter 5. How does he influence things in Toriel's house, then? Asgore has the house bugged, and that's what the "Real Mike" you see was. Mike might even have a network of bugs that let him see and influence the other dark worlds, because Asgore is watching everyone as part of his obsession with finding Dess

>>3813309
>it seems pretty clear Toby never intended for Mike to be the red herring that the fandom thought he was
So Toby did his own Kanako?
He did that to himself after Jevil foreshadowed Queen and Spamton did the same thing for Mike. On a side note, Queen went through the same rugpull Tenna got with everyone expecting her to be a creepy character and turning out to be a goofy one, just to a less dramatic extent.
Anyway, I think the microphone JPEG in castle town really is Mike.
Hold up, when was it revealed Asgore bugged the house?

>>3813313
>Hold up, when was it revealed Asgore bugged the house?
No no, that's me speculating. It's a potential explanation, nothing canon from what we've seen. It fits his personality in Deltarune imo, he's obsessed enough to cross boundaries and gets to vicariously life with his family at the same time. I know it's schizo which is why I warned about that
>>3813313
>Jevil foreshadowed Queen and Spamton did the same thing for Mike
To be fair, Spamton does mention [[CRTs]] in that same mention of Mike.

>>3813314
He also mentions the [Gameshow host] in the weird route.
Speaking of that, did he straight up lie on everything he said about Tenna?
Not that Spamton is supposed to be trustworthy, but at a certain point it's just shit writing.

Went spent so much time discussing how could UTY be fixed through changing details here and there, feels like DR will get the same treatment once it wraps up.

>>3813260
It does feel like it would be out of character for Toby to hide something like this only to make it important later. We're no strangers to fans digging up more meaning from his stuff than he ever intended. If he was asked about whether monsters poop, he'd probably laugh at the absurdity of the question and then not answer it.
But seriously, what happens when Kris gets locked up for a few hours for delinquency? Does Undyne just give him a bucket or something?

>>3813292
I know that the school and hospital are probably supposed to be abstractions and there may be doors we can't see in the walls and yada-yada-yada. But it's weird that there isn't a single bathroom sign in the game at this point. Does Kris just... not go? Or is there a toilet in the school just for him?
Also, the restaurants in your town have no toilets? What happens if you have an allergic reaction or, god forbid, get food poisoning? Are there other public buildings nearby that have toilets available, or are you supposed to just take yourself out back? You're putting a lot of extra faith in those chefs.

>>3813316
I mean, Spamton's clearly schizophrenic. Not just the "funny haha take your pills" schizo, I mean really schizophrenic. He's constantly projecting his misery onto others, badmouthing the people he once knew, and desiring violence for both revenge and pleasure. It's easy to forget through all the years of memes that Spamton is a dangerously evil madman for the majority of the time we see him. We hear Tenna's point of view in Chapter 3, and to him one day Spamton just went crazy after a phone call and thought that he'd been betrayed somehow.

Sorry for the tangent, this is just where the discussion started.

>>3813333
>It's easy to forget through all the years of memes that Spamton is a dangerously evil madman for the majority of the time we see him.
I never forgot that, it has always been the reason I loved him. This franchise seriously lacks actual dangerous villains.
My complaint there was from a storytelling point of view.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPVm6V__BmiypggXeEBUJOZ2MExbrGuSS

Look at this playlist and you will see that gangster Tenna was the overwhelming expectation for the character during the chapter 2 era.

I mostly enjoyed the Tenna we got, but Toby absolutely fucked up the foreshadowing, specially after Jevil being mostly accurate about chapter 2.

>>3813322
that was mainly a reaction to the uty ending and ceroba. I dont think toby would create a situation like that. More likely people will be content with regular deltarune. And wont engage in something simmilar to the over one year uty ending discussions

>>3813339
>This franchise seriously lacks actual dangerous villains.
Asriel was pretty good until he got his soul back and pussied out
>I mostly enjoyed the Tenna we got, but Toby absolutely fucked up the foreshadowing, specially after Jevil being mostly accurate about chapter 2.
I think the way this could have worked out is if we had other perspectives on Tenna to balance out Spamton's unreliably biased one.
I'm also going to say that Queen's foreshadowing in Chapter 1 had a similar problem. Jevil and King built her up to be just as megalomaniacal as they are, and although there was some degree of truth to that, she was immensely more empathetic and reasonable than implied.

>>3813305
Toby never said "lol mike isnt an actual thing", the game already makes it clear that Mike DID actually exist and the falseflag mikes are just filling in for him, they wouldnt take da real mike so seriously if dat guy wasnt relevant

>>3813351
>Queen's foreshadowing in Chapter 1 had a similar problem. Jevil and King built her up to be just as megalomaniacal as they are
I think this issue happened on the meta level.
Toby's doodles revealed Queen was going to be way creepier and more menacing early on before he decided to turn her into a comedic character. And that is the problem with episodic releases.
Also, I'm sure King never mentioned her in chapter 1.

>>3813353
Huh, I swear I remember King saying something vaguely along the lines of "you think I'm bad, wait until you meet Queen" at some point. Might be misattributing it to Jevil or something
>I think this issue happened on the meta level.
I wonder to what degree this also held true for Tenna. Based on the concept art, probably not a whole lot. But I wonder if, say, changes in Spamton's characterisation trickled down into misleading foreshadowing for Tenna
>And that is the problem with episodic releases.
Tangentially related, I often wonder what Deltarune would be like had it released all at once back in 2022 or so. Hell, I really wonder what it would be like if Toby stuck to the original plan and released it instead of Undertale in 2015.

>>3813153
Interesting. I recall in the /v/ thread someone talked about putting embroidered stars on her cloak as a Zartlet callback.

wait so how exactly will riley die in wildfire. Theres no flowey so the devs cant use the flowey justification.
SO without flowey, how will riley die?

>>3813305
>Papyrus
That's pretty shitty, but at least that feels like Toby changed his mind really early and regretted teasing it in Chapter 1, so now he's just delaying until he can find an out of the way place to put it in.
>All the ominous foreshadowing for Tenna meant nothing, he is just another goofster
At this point I'm used to Toby setting up characters like this. Basically all of his characters are goofsters, and that's my favorite type of character in his game, which as a side note is why I don't care much for the Knight and hate the Titan. Both are pretty generic villain archetypes with not much fun going on with them, the only thing the Knight has is a good theme and mystery, the Titan has neither.
>half of chapter 3 is a zelda clone
I really liked the Zelda sections because of the character interactions, which are what I play these games for.
>no traditional secret boss in chapter 3
Ramb being a bro was pretty cool and the Mantle was cool too. Toby knew he couldn't top Spamton, so he didn't try, and I respect that.
>onionsan
I thought the Onionsan thing was actually pretty cool as a narrative element. I was mad yes, but at whichever character that shut him up, not at Toby for writing it.
>all the teasing for TV parodies from the newsletters meant barely anything
I do wish he did more with the TV theme. Chapter 3 feels like Toby just wanted to get all the wacky adventures out of the way so he could get to the serious anime plot at the end.
>chapter 4 barely has any non-generic side characters
Gerson, Jackenstein, and the Cups are good, but they're not nearly enough.
>even more theory bait that will likely turn out to be nothing
>even more cliffhangers designed to make sure you can't stop thinking about the game and move on for a while (it's real funny to see the guy who built his career around making fun of cliche tropes to abuse one of the oldest tricks in the book)
I don't mind those that much Its just the way things work with a mysterious episodic game

>>3813306
I think I like what DRY1 is already doing better than Chujin being an antagonist, at least in the way you describe. Maybe if you changed it so the Chujin antagonist thing was a reveal that came along with Toaster. With Toaster working Chujin's ego to convince him to do things, and playing on his hatred of humans to get carte blanche to do whatever. And of course throwing out a bunch of half truths to make sure Chujin doesn't know about the parts he'd dislike.

The sentence mixed Chujin recording sounds hilarious and he should include that regardless of what else he does.

>>3813480
gives up his SOUL to save his bnuuy wife, of course

>>3813480
He might not, they never outright said he's THE orange soul in the jar in Asgore's house. He could be a different orange soul human. Or maybe they have some big plot reveal planned for this. Or maybe one of the many deaths you get during a normal playthrough is his canon death. We'll just have to wait and see.

>>3813480
>>3813502
they hinted that riley might still be living in hiding with his bnuuy gf in that cabin you can see far away in snowdin, at least in one of the endings
I don't really mind that as long as I can get monster gf

>>3813480
he might just get ASSGORE'd in the 'canon' ending

shades of justice just posted this notice, they are looking for spriters

>>3813538
I hope they'll get them.
It's a pleasant overhaul of the original fangame.

>>3813372
>"you think I'm bad, wait until you meet Queen" at some point.
He says it in chapter 2 after you seal the c0h2 fountain iirc

>>3813502
>>3813532
>He might not, they never outright said he's THE orange soul in the jar in Asgore's house. He could be a different orange soul human
>they hinted that riley might still be living in hiding with his bnuuy gf in that cabin you can see far away in snowdin,
That would be insanely stupid, so you are telling me two orange souls who both wore a bandana and gloves fell in the underground at different times?

>>3813591
Yes

>>3813598
>Val ate shit and died
>Meanwhile Riley got tlive on a cabin in the middle of nowhere with his monster wife
I guess gloves and bandanas where just popular pieces of clothing when they both fell

>>3813605
I was just shitposting, but Val really does feel more like THE orange soul than Riley. He's got that level of macho ignorance you'd expect from someone who wears a "manly bandanna" with abs on it and a set of fingerless gloves called "the tough gloves" everywhere. He's there for a fight, and is too dumb to understand that monsters A) don't want to fight and B) are weak as shit. Meanwhile Riley doesn't feel much like the type at all. Sure he's got a bandanna and gloves, but he's soft spoken, depressed, a bit of a coward, and more than anything just wants to be left alone. Riley fell in to the Underground during a failed suicide attempt, Val came there on purpose to pick a fight. Riley being the orange soul feels like the setup to a bait and switch.

This is all just speculation on my part for both of them though. I don't know what the devs are planning.

Since the core mercenaries are hired by mtt, itd be interesing if they also appeared in other undertale soul fangames, like maybe a veteran knight knight for genocide or something

>>3813621
How many details from the games got completely memoryholed? Like the mercenaries you mention or the implied struggle in King's throne room in Chapter 1.

>>3813372
King says that but only when you return to castle town after beating Queen.

>Hell, I really wonder what it would be like if Toby stuck to the original plan and released it instead of Undertale in 2015.
A speculative fangame for what a "Deltarune" without Undertale influence could be interesting, but we must wait for the rest of the game and Toby revealing more about production to get that right.

>>3813484
A lot of people's issues would have been solved if Ramb got renamed to Mike and if you got to fight him

>>3813538
Those Marts are cute enough to make me wanna play this thing

>>3813480
Depending on how long ago this takes place he might not have to be killed, he could die of old age

>>3813700
Huh I was thinking about that.
>>3813502
>>3813532
Riley could technically have fallen way before flowey was born. And then lived a long fruitful life until he finally dies to ligma.
That way, riley could live a long life with his monster wife.
(though )his children and probably surviving wife are fucked because flowey would be interested on the half human children. )

>>3813712
>And then lived a long fruitful life until he finally dies to ligma.
the problem with this is, if a human already died of natural causes in the underground, whats stopping Asgore from just letting the other fallen humans live in the underground and collect their souls once they die of old age? he already let that happen once

>>3813722
he DOES tell frisk "take as long as you need" after all and doesn't come after you. maybe those other humans failed to make friends of the underground, maybe none of those other humans made the decision to simply stay underground. Honestly if clover just decided to stay underground in UTY it would have gone just fine.

>>3813723
>>3813722
>he DOES tell frisk "take as long as you need" after all and doesn't come after you. maybe those other humans failed to make friends of the underground, maybe none of those other humans made the decision to simply stay underground.

Yeah the other humans could have just wanted to leave or failed to hide. Also riley is an adult, unlike the other humans (children) so hes probably more capable and competent in his decision making. He could probably be able to hide better.

I think that thread was maybe a little too stealthy. I even second guessed myself when I saw it.

>>3813763
Wait, was there a thread just now?

>>3813774
>>>/v/716619463

>>3813775
>looks inside
>only 11 posts so far.
maybe

>>3813775
Oh, I didn't notice that and I was actively scanning for a new thread just now.
Damn, I guess it's at least safe from the jannies then.

>>3813763
I just found it by accident and came here to see if anyone else had found it.

>>3813778
>safe from jannies
>will probably notice the martlet images
Idk about that anon

>>3813135
>>3811927
didnt do much work this weekend due to irl stuff and having to fix my computer, but here is the revised scene

>>3813789
thats a solid improvement to the scene, it comes across much more naturally now.

>>3813789
>cole grabs kanako from danger and then they proceed to run
based adds character

>>3813778
>>3813781
>safe from jannies
>thread was now deleted
ANON ANON I FUCKING KNEW IT

>>3813781
Welp, looks like they got that one.
But I think I've got an idea...

>>3809661 (OP)
>Thread deleted
ITS SO FUCKING OVER

>>3813804
>>3813805
IT WAS OBVIOUS THEY WOULD DELETE IT WHEN THEY SAW THE MARTLET SHIT. SOMEONE WOULD HAVE REPORTED US AS WELL.
I FUCKING KNEW IT. JANNIES ARE 1984

>video game discussion is verboten
anyways to the anon correcting me on the ending, I saw how she said on the rooftop that she "needed to head to the lab, its where kanako is being kept" and maybe I filled in blanks and assumed that it all tied together, and that getting the soul, perfecting chujins legacy and all that would just have the end result of also saving kanako because of that.

>>3813804
He's up at night. If you want to do a thread, do it during the day. That other thread went all day before he woke and found it.

I'm making a new thread. I'll link it here. I don't care what the order says.

>>3813808
Im still wondering if this is a attack on titan requiem situation aka it would have been better plotwise if ceroba went to true lab.
I really need to replay the true lab section. But i keep pushing it back

>>3813808
Alright, at least you know better now, thank you.

>>3813808
and then she says when she sees clover immediately after "makes things easier". so I just kind of kept going with that line of thought. but I see that she says immediately after "unless a miracle takes place at the lab"

so ultimately it makes me wonder if when they were going back and forth on that ending if they were considering going to the true lab at some point in one of the endings and decided against it. I can see where I got it mixed up but its kind of odd for her to say she needs to go to the lab and then says theres no hope in the lab

>>3813812
>aka it would have been better plotwise if ceroba went to true lab.
Not really. Like I said in that thread, Kanako's a non-character. She wasn't ever meant to be anything more than a plot device explaining why certain characters are doing the things they do, a bit like Chara in UT. Having the plot derail to actually be about her would've been a complete non-sequitur and it would've made the story more clunky and awkward than it already kinda is, and that would've been worse.

>>3813815
Im planning to replay true lab and think about it. I will consider what you said in my thoughts
(luckily for me my criticisms of the ending is the suicide and supporting genocide plan stuff. So true lab discussion doesnt really affect my criticisms on the ending)

>>3813808
That's the natural conclusion to come to from all those details. The plot twist that everyone is expecting and the one that would've been so much better is that she needed to kill Clove to save Kanako. That brings an actual moral question into play and gives her good justification for her actions beyond a shaky sunken cost fallacy.

You don't even have to add in a section to save Kanako. Just have her give up because killing one child to save another isn't right, and then remove Clover giving up his soul. Make flawed pacifist the pacifist ending. Now Ceroba is a better character, all the other characters are better, and the ending is better.

>>3813816
>luckily for me my criticisms of the ending is the suicide and supporting genocide plan stuff
Oh yeah, mostly everyone generally agrees that was kinda dumb. I mean, I have my own criticisms of that stuff which you can see somewhere up in this thread if you particularly care, but that's about the one thing most people agree on.

>>3813815
>it would've made the story more clunky and awkward than it already kinda is, and that would've been worse.
but I dont think its unreasonable to suggest they considered the idea since they were just a ragtag team of teens throwing this story together right?
also she says after all this"kanako is a boss monster she is the key to finishing chujins work"
so she says "without a miracle theres no hope for kanako" and "kanako is the key".
is it implying that she's trying to complete the serum using clovers soul and kanakos soul but doesn't expect to save kanako?

>>3813815
>Kanako's a non-character.
all the devs had to do was make her the solo survivor of the ketsukanes instead of roba, but mastersword was really horny for fox milf

>>3813817
>That's the natural conclusion to come to from all those details
No it isn't you're just cherry-picking which details you're actually paying attention to. If you pay attention to Ceroba's behavior in the steamworks it's obvious something's up with her and the story she told you and Starlo about heading to the true lab to save Kanako was bullshit.

>>3813821
>but mastersword was really horny for fox milf
damn, I mean when you word it that way can you really blame him? even if bird is better

>>3813818
>but that's about the one thing most people agree on.
yup thats the main thing we can all agree on at least. So there is at least that.
> I mean, I have my own criticisms of that stuff which you can see somewhere up in this thread if you particularly care
I will check them.

>>3813815
>, Kanako's a non-character. She wasn't ever meant to be anything more than a plot device explaining why certain characters are doing the things they do, a bit like Chara in UT
That's why people are so mad. She's Asriel tier in terms of importance, but isn't a character. Just a void where a character should be. The entire plot and most of its characters hinge on her. No Kanako means no Martlet because she's still a carpenter working for Chujin, no Axis because Chujin never builds it, no Ceroba because she's still a happy housewife, and no Dalv because he never got traumatized trying to protect her. This kind of thing would be sloppy writing anywhere else, but in UT where every character, even the minor background NPCs, are fleshed out with a personality and life, its absolutely unacceptable.

Don't want to save her, fine. But at least do something with her, or remove her entirely so people aren't expecting her to be a character.

>>3813821
>all the devs had to do was make her the solo survivor of the ketsukanes instead of roba
Okay but literally why? You're not even making an improvement to the story, just completely rewriting it for no reason. Kanako doesn't have nearly enough character for her to be worth throwing out the entire story over.

>>>/v/716630389
It's done. Let's see how long this lasts.

>>3813826
see >>3813825
I agree with this anon, the devs might not have had thought much about it due to having robarot, but kanako is linked to lots of threads
if they didn't want people to think all that shit, then they should not have included her in the game at all instead of just being the emotional keys that ceroba jingles in front of you

if nothing else, its easy to care about a character by proxy. by seeing how the loss of a character you dont care about affects one you do, it can give you an impression where there wasn't anything in stone.

>>3813828
thats not even remotely stealthy lmao

>>3813822
Anon, if everyone misreads the signs then the developer is wrong for writing them wrong. Cherry picking my ass. You're as bad as those "media literacy" people who can't comprehend that an author can be wrong when writing his work.

The "something up" is Ceroba planning to kill Clover for his soul. Not Kanako being doomed. Even if there's one off line discounting the narrative, theming, and framing all lead to that conclusion.

>>3813825
I mean, you could easily write most of those things as happening anyway without Kanako, they'd just have to happen for slightly different reasons.
Also, there are characters in UT who barely have anything going on for them, like Chara, as I mentioned before. They're an extremely important character responsible for kicking most of the plot into motion and several character's backstories, and you can see their indirect influence everywhere, but Chara themself doesn't actually matter and they only have about a paragraph or two of dialogue.

>>3813826
They should've thrown half of the story out anyways. Ceroba's story is genuinely bad.

The three eternal arguments of these threads:
-ceroba bad
-true lab kanako
-ending bad

>>3813819
>is it implying that she's trying to complete the serum using clovers soul and kanakos soul but doesn't expect to save kanako?
but really I mean this question genuinely, it sounds like she's saying that she doubts the plan will save kanako so its not the main goal of the plan when I read it back over, but it sounds like she hasn't ruled out the possibility either.

>>3813837
I like ceroba, shes just really dumb. Shes an extremely dumb yet passionate person.

>>3813832
> if everyone misreads the signs then the developer is wrong for writing them wrong
Yeah, except it's absolutely not everyone, just the people who frequent this echo chamber. I've introduced a friend of mine to UTY who caught on that Ceroba was lying about Kanako somehow, because she obviously is. I've seen random people on the internet who caught on to this too, because it really just isn't that hard to connect the dots around her.
>The "something up" is Ceroba planning to kill Clover for his soul
Multiple characters in UTY already try to steal Clover's soul, that makes no sense as a twist if it's something that happens so often, including Starlo earlier in the pacifist route.

>>3813834
>I mean, you could easily write most of those things as happening anyway without Kanako, they'd just have to happen for slightly different reasons.
THEN DO IT! Leaving character black whole in actively drags the whole story down.
>Also, there are characters in UT who barely have anything going on for them, like Chara
Chara has the whole damn game. He has a whole ending dedicated to just him. And even in the ending where he doesn't show up, they still book end his character by establishing that he's been dead for hundreds of years and has nothing to do with you or Frisk. Chara has a character even if you barely ever get to see it directly. Kanako gets NOTHING

>>3813842
>Leaving character black whole

>>3813841
>Multiple characters in UTY already try to steal Clover's soul, that makes no sense as a twist if it's something that happens so often, including Starlo earlier in the pacifist route.
It makes perfect sense precisely because of that. You establish a common theme of antagonists who want to kill you for a specific reason, then introduce a nice character who doesn't want to kill you, so they can then double cross you and reveal that they were just like all the rest.

>>3813831
Yeah, I just wanna see how long it can last with the most obvious header in the world. Hey, at least I'm trying to prompt actual discussion, eh?

>>3813834
>I mean, you could easily write most of those things as happening anyway without Kanako, they'd just have to happen for slightly different reasons.
yet they didn't, which puts the spotlight on her and causes this entire issue

>>3813841
it is split, but at big portion of the fanbase really thought we would get to save kanako, just look at the amount of fanworks regarding that
I do not want to leave the fluffy fox girl stuck in alphys basement for the rest of time

>>3813846
Im going to syringe you

>>3813811
Did the jannies get him?

>>3813845
>a nice character who doesn't want to kill you, so they can then double cross you
Ah, yes, because we've never seen that before.
The idea just doesn't work, this is like being upset that Uncle Ben isn't a more prominent and recurring character in Spider-Man stories. He serves his purpose, he builds up Peter as a character, and he dies, that's all he's meant to do.

>>3813847
What's the context of this image?

>>3813850
Uncle Ben got more than Kanako. Bruce Wayne's parents got more than Kanako.

>>3813851
momroba/sibling kanako and clover comic about kanako and clover wondering if in another timeline (true lab) they would still be friends

>>3813852
And that isn't a problem by itself. Sometimes a character isn't meant to do anything other than build up another character. A good roadie, if you will.

>>3813854
thing is we know kanako isn't dead and is rotting in the true lab (FOREVER)
that ain't justice

>>3813855
wouldnt she at least get out at the end of ut pacifist ending regardless?

>>3813855
>>3813857
Yeah, even if Ceroba doesn't try and do anything for her, she'd still end up being released at the end of the true pacifist ending in UT.
Also, where's that image come from?

>>3813854
No that is a problem, especially in Undertale. A MAJOR problem.

>>3813857
>>3813858
Yeah, off screened with no mention in another game. After going through years of hell on earth, which we could have very easily saved her from if only given the chance.

>>3813860
hey man I'm just countering the (forever) not that things couldnt have been better

>>3813860
>which we could have very easily saved her from if only given the chance
Alright, how? No really, how exactly could we have saved her? Just a little bit of integrity's essence was enough to fuck her up like that, what's an entire human soul going to do? And that's ignoring the fact that giving her Clover's soul means that their soul won't be going towards breaking the barrier, meaning monsterkind is still gonna be fucked because there won't be enough souls by the time Frisk arrives.

>>3813862
>Just a little bit of integrity's essence was enough to fuck her up like that, what's an entire human soul going to do?
Turn her into hyperdeath Kanako. Whole souls don't harm monsters at all, its soul juice that does. Failing that we could at least spare her the fate of becoming an amalgam.
>And that's ignoring the fact that giving her Clover's soul means that their soul won't be going towards breaking the barrier
Flowey knows where that soul is, and you can always just make the good ending non canon.

>>3813862
not him but I was hoping for an inside the mind battle like flowey's where you purge kanako from integrity's infection then clover uses 1/1000th of his soul (which is canon since it takes all monster souls (which are thousands) to equate a single human soul) to heal kanako and even give you an emotional gut punch when clover goes off to fight asgore, and with that you resolve roba's and kanako's plotlines while still fitting in canon with having the asgore fight (and maybe that would even be why asgore is hesitant later with frisk since a human was noble to sacrifice himself for monsterkind and even saved a monster)

>>3813789
That is fuckin excellent

>>3813789
im 100 percent out of the loop on dry stuff having only just played uty myself. who is Cole supposed to be, is this like how kris is someone new compared to frisk or is he a character that has some connection to who clover was. I think uty was the first time I even let myself get into a fangame so im clueless

>>3813864
now that I think it over, the only issue with this idea is that clover and roba (and maybe starlo/martlet?) would need to sneak in the lab, or maybe the steamworks actually has an elevator/transport tube (could bring martlet/ava back) that goes to the lab instead, and go to the sealed off wing where kanako would be (separated off the rest due to violence + boss monster makes her unique?)
maybe if I finish DRY1 and am not too burnt out I might give this idea a shot, I know godot anon was making something similar but imo his take strayed a bit too much from canon

>>3813866
cole is clover with letters removed like how frisk = kris
but in DRY at least you don't have the character fighting against you/the soul all the time (DRY will have minimal meta stuff, which might be a disappointment for some. I've already seen a lot of people kinda trying to figure a "prophecy" and other stuff for DRY when I want it to stand more on its own besides using DR gameplay and presentation)

>>3813789
>kde cursor
nice

>>3813868
ahh gotcha that makes sense. I'm dipping my toes in the water here with fangames, and its been cool seeing these updates ever since I started coming to the threads

Please join that new UTY thread, it's going in some really weird directions I honestly didn't predict.

reposting here because the /v/ thread is probably going to die lol

>>3813874
I AM THE ORIGINAL
STARLOWALKER

>>3813874
ok but why DID he put a full bowl of cereal in the sink what the fuck man

>>3813874
This is great. Your art has made me become a Zartlet truther. Thanks Sig.

>>3813876
too lazy to dispose of it properly

>>3813880
once again I am beseeching the world, I need stories where martlet goes zenith for the sake of clover and not to fight him. A story where the only reason she survived the injection in genocide was her resolve for justice, and a similar resolve saves her from falling to it in a pacifist world.
>>3813881
clover, I remember you're NOT EATING ALL YOUR CEREALS

>>3813874
desire for martlet hugs....strengthening.

>>3813874
>no ranger martlet
damn, but the cole and martlet hug is adorable

>>3812436
I haven't had much success with the combined mods. Flawed Vengence reads save files in a different location than Undertale Yellow does, and the Martlet mod used the same file location as Undertale Yellow to read saves, so when I did run the game with the combined data.win file it only read the save for the Martlet mod and not the Flawed Vengance mod. As a result Flawed Vengance basically never happened Looking online, Clover was supposed to kill Martlet during their second encounter in the dunes, but that did not happen when I used the combined data.win file. It did happen when I used the Flawed Vengance data.win file.
I'm not that skilled with this type of stuff so I've basically it a wall. I was expecting this not to work going in so I'm not too bent out of shape about it. Or maybe there's another way to combine .win files that I don't know of other than through the command window/powershell.

Since there is DRYanon, is there also WETanon?
>Captcha: VYGAY

>>3813896
Huh. How'd you combine the data files exactly?

>>3813898
I opened powershell in the folder where I was doing this experiment and used a command to create a combined copy the .win files in that folder. Then I just renamed the combined .win file into data.win and moved it to the game folder. I'm sure that there are better ways to do this than what I did.

>>3813900
Hm. Well, if there is a better way to do it, I don't know it. Maybe if you could somehow isolate the relevant mod files from each you could make it work, but I'm not too sure what you would do after that.
Also, wouldn't a merged version of these two mods already be missing the majority of what one of the mods has to offer? I mean, if what you said about the flawed justice mod is true, then you wouldn't have seen too much of Martlet anyway, rendering the Martlet boob mod pointless.

>>3813897
VYGAY's Wildfire Except Terrible

>>3813903
Yeah, looking back, trying to combine a Martlet-focused mod with another mod where she doesn't get much screentime was kind of pointless.

>>3813905
Ah well, it was interesting experiment nonetheless. It would've been kinda funny to see Martlet with the massive boobs being shot in the dunes, but I imagine that wouldn't have worked because it would need an actual sprite for it, which wouldn't exist.
Also, maybe this was just me, but was I the only one who thought Zenith Martlet's tits would've been gigantic with the boob mod? I don't know why, but when I saw the mod page had "body horror" or something in it's description, I just imagined her having massively hyper breasts when she transformed.

/v/ thread's doing decently, it may actually last the night now.
How is the thread with the most obvious header in the world lasting longer than the thread most of us didn't even realize was UTY related?

>>3813912
Best not to question how a janitor thinks anon.
There is no rhyme or reason nor is there a specific pattern. Best not stare a gift horse in the mouth when it comes around.

Hey, anyone have that old textbox sequence of Clover remembering Martlet being killed at the end of a neutral route and crying when they see her again after a reset?

so I was tweaking the melody sprite and wondering if this is better than the previous one (top), kinda using the knight idea an anon brought up a while ago
also using purple as accent color idea which I stole from reddit

>>3814087
>gave her massive tits
I see you've made her more in line with her UT equivelent
>Sword
I liked the ribbon whip better
>bottom right
the smile looks weird, you should probably make it smaller
>short dress
The long one looks better

>>3814101
>>gave her massive tits
thats just a chestplate, her LW sprite is still flat

>Sword
>I liked the ribbon whip better
the idea is that its a rapier that can become a ribbon when swung

I'll still tweak the dress and other stuff then

>>3814101
>I liked the ribbon whip better
the full whip idea is from DRY2(me) i think DRYanon1 has always had the blade/whip idea

The one thing I'm unsure about all the save-Kanako proposals is how Flowey would even allow it to happen without pulling his neutral ending trick again.

>>3814113
Make flowey confront clover as they leave roba's fight (after everyone has gone on ahead) or after the steamworks, where flowey is "hey what the fuck where are you going" and clover is "chill dude, we will just save the fox girl then I will go fight asgore" and flowey is hesitant at first but then he agrees, either to just see what will happen or that it will make clover stronger to fight asgore

>>3814119
This. Just make a throwaway dialogue on first playthroughs that Clover hasn't made it this far before, so Flowey's curious on where this could go since it's still technically progress towards Asgore.

>>3814103
>the idea is that its a rapier that can become a ribbon when swung
Sort of like Zabimaru then?
>thats just a chestplate, her LW sprite is still flat
You can't fool me, her dark world form gains 3 cup sizes.

Anyways, maybe try the chestplate on the old dress.

>>3814113
Maybe he figures Clover seeing the lab would be good motivation. If anything will make him hate monsters, its learning what happened in there.

>>3814140
to be canon complient though, the party must never meet alphys, alphys must never know they were there at all, and preferably not access the main wing of the lab that you do in UT
hence why an isolated wing with just kanako (and maybe a few more special/extreme cases) would work better, accessible by some ancient maintenance tunnel or transport that has been forgotten

>>3814144
Alphys could be out dumpster diving while they're at the lab.

>>3814144
Another plot roadblock would be how do they even get to the to the lab and how to make the transition from the fight to that smooth. My take is too get them to the elevator and have Flowey hack it into the correct floor.
Losing the visuals of clover dying under the tree would be a shame, but I think it would be worth it.

>>3813914
It is a little weird though. I mean, the thread with the stealthy header designed to evade detection gets shelled within minutes, I don't think it even lasted an hour, but then the thread made shortly after that with the most blatant header and comment possible lasts for 14 hours and counting. I can't even remember the last time a UTY thread lasted so long.

>>3814103
>>3814138
I like the idea of a fantasy rapier that has the flexibility of modern fencing swords while still doing real damage. Being able to curve and flick the blade and such could really add to the flowing dancer aesthetic too.

Not exactly a fangame but the latest deltarune chapters made me get off my ass and finally finish a project. It doesn't have anything to do with UT/DT and is very amateurish so I'm not sure about posting it here

>>3814352
>It doesn't have anything to do with UT/DT and is very amateurish so I'm not sure about posting it here
If it has literally nothing in common with UT/DR then you probably shouldn't

>>3814360
sigh I guess you're right... back to gooning to Suselle porn...

>>3814352
dont listen to that guy, i kinda want to see it.

>>3814362
I'd love to but my itch.io page got quarantined and now shows a warning when you try to download it. Shitty move on their part to not notify my or anything. I contacted support but doubt they'll do anything anytime soon

>>3814367
oh well, hope it gets resolved.

>>3814367
If it had mature tags you're probably just fucked.

>>3814385
I think it was just pixel art, horror and puzzles. Does horror count?

>>3814399
I don't think. Anyways those sound tangential enough to DR to have me interested. Can I get a qrd on the game? It have any furries in it?

>>3814404
It's really short so when the shadowban gets lifted and you can download it you'll beat it really really fast. It looked like more when I was developing it lmao (it's my first game and I began working on it around two weeks ago).
You control an amnesiac boy that finds himself in a strange room. He gets a pokemon-like creature and is tasked with solving puzzles spanning several days. You have a "rival" and there are two (threeish) endings.
Even though it's ridden with bugs I should iron out and is very amateurish and short I'm pretty proud of how it turned out.
I'll link the itch.io page in case you somehow manage to download it: https://supertuna64.itch.io/zygomoids
Be warned, it can get cringy and the dialogue may sound clunky in some places (I'm ESL what can you do) and the real horror is hidden in one of the endings

>>3814409
>uploaded 6 hours ago
isn't it just because it is recently uploaded and they need to check if it isnt malware first?
also you can download it by pressing the "I understand the risk, let me download" thing

>>3814412
Other anons told me it could also be that I made the account I uploaded it with very recently and that the game didn't have any screenshots. Can't do anything about the account but I changed a couple of the tags and added screenshots if anyone's interested in the game.
If you play it, it's pretty obvious where the good and bad route diverge, I even made a sound effect like the weird route lmao

>>3814087
Bottom is definitely better if you're going for the knight idea. reminds me a bit of Sirris

well that was fun.

Alright, ceasefire, let's not drag that argument back here.
We can save that for next time.

>>3814490
that sounds reasonable,

so any drawfags around what got you started other than just drawing. Im not denying the virtue/necessity of just drawing, im just curious. was it the book that has now turned into a classic not video games thread image or something elsewhere?

>>3814495
I'm not technically a drawfag, since I don't post what I make here, but what got me started on drawing was the realization that no one can manifest my visual ideas other than me, so I started doing it myself. It helps if there's some character or something that you're really obsessed with, because then you'll want to draw them all the time, and repetition is good practice.
It also helps to be a pervert of some kind.

>>3814496
hmm, I see. I want to draw martlet. I have never wanted to draw a character as much as I wanted to draw martlet. maybe the autism could be fuel for my fire.

>>3814087
I like the new colors, I agree that the smile looks weird and should be smaller
I would cover her arms and hands with armor as well, I think she looks weird with the chestplate + skirt but no gloves, but I can understand not having gloves since the purple makes a better contrast than the grey of the armor
My only nitpick is that I would change the color of the weapon since weapons in Deltarune are usually more colorful than the rest of the character (Kris's sword, Ralsei's scarf, Berdly's halberd)
Some of my opinions might be biased tho, since I made the sprite of integrity as a knight

>>3814498
That can absolutely be your motivation if you want it bad enough.
Plus, if you have any kind of perverted feelings towards her, getting better at drawing so you can manifest those feelings through art can be incredible motivation. It's certainly helped me.

>>3814495
i just got started drawing replicating the styles i liked, a big pointer is to not be afraid to use references - poses, artstyles, that sort of thing
even tracing is acceptable when you're still learning, just as long as you dont try to present it as your own work of course
comparing yourself to artists or drawfags you view as 'better' is pointless and just poisoning yourself, so avoid doing that - especially if you're drawfagging for threads, people arent going to complain about two cakes, etc

>>3814490
I don't there's any reason to drag it back here. We'd just be talking in circles if we did.

Alright, I said in that last thread that I wouldn't make any more hayden jokes, but I couldn't resist this one.

>>3814500
I'm gonna give it a shot. I was talking about having a hard time with the "connective" stuff in the other thread but I think i've just gotten demotivated not being able to picture it. I can see the join in my head, I can see the things on the other side of the joins, but I dont see them altogether and I genuinely ended up in the next city over one time when I tried to drive somewhere in town one time. would drawing a pose on top of a reference be too much of a crutch to get my brain into making these connection between "here" and "there"? I'm committing to actually putting pen to paper but im rambling my way through it.

>>3814503
it WAS funny at least
>>3814501
I'll give a try mixing in some tracing right now, and not use it to avoid practice. I just hope that it will help something click for me.

>>3814505
>would drawing a pose on top of a reference be too much of a crutch to get my brain into making these
Not at all, everyone starts somewhere. I used to literally take photos of my hands and trace over them for drawings because doing them normally was too difficult for me, now I can fairly reliably draw decent looking hands without any references.
Again, just adhere to honor rules and don't present anything you make like that as your own work, assuming you're using other art as a reference.
Also, when you're doing this, pay attention to the sorts of motions you find your hand making as you draw, it'll help you internalize them when you draw without reference later on.

>>3814507
a huge part of drawing and developing your 'style' is in large part muscle memory and forming a chimera of the parts of other styles that you like and want to recreate, it'll come with time just keep at it
ganbatte anon-kun

>>3814509
that makes sense, and yeah im not seeking to steal anything like that. I just look at peoples drawings and think FUCK I want to EXPRESS this CHARACTER

>>3814507
>WAS
Yeah, but at a certain point it's more about the meta joke about it not being funny as opposed to being funny directly. I may or may not use this as the header for next week's thread. If nothing else, that thread lasted a pretty damn long time, 21 hours and 39 minutes by my estimate, so maybe it's more stealthy than I gave it credit for.

>>3814511
Alright, cool.
Share your work here whenever you have something, I'd like to see it and I'm sure others would too, even if you don't think it's much worth looking at.

>>3814512
please dont. i dont think anyone here really wants that argument again

>>3814087
i like how the new one goes full shit eating grin in combat like she's going to disregard everything about her weapon and just shank someone.

>>3814518
To be fair, I made the last one with the explicit purpose of starting a Kanako argument from the beginning of the thread, only for that to just not come up at all. I think doing the same thing again with the other image might ward that one off too, since it's being presented as a joke.

>>3814520
You misunderstand anon. She understands her weapon perfectly well, and as a human supremacists, she knows a whip is the perfect tool to use against unruly darkners.

I wanna go back into writing my fanfic but I have no idea where to start now. I feel like I opened a box with extremely tangled christmas lights and I have no clue on what to do.

>>3814524
wrong thread anon >>3805656

>>3814525
no no yeah i get that, but why use it as a whip when its more violent (and most importantly: more fun) to just shank someone.

>>3814528
Stabbing is too quick. Those darkies need to learn their place.

>>3814526
Are you the Underfell anon? If so just continue with Chujin. I wanna see more of that.

>>3814530
undertale intent-to-kill rules apply to them
she can stab as many times as she pleases and not kill as long as her intent is to make the darkner hurt.

>>3814526
which fanfic anon

>>3814527
My apologies

>>3814534
martlet dating sim
>>3814531
nope I'm sorry

>>3814536
well the question then becomes what do you want to write anon? take a small idea and run with it, if that's the scope of the fanfic then you can just take something minor and make a small chapter about it to get back into the groove of things
washing dishes with martlet, or just letting her geek out about carpentry, stuff like that - doesnt have to be some big return thing

>>3814532
But the whip sends a message.

>>3814541
putting 50 agonizing holes in someone also sends a message

alright so do people still just pirate photoshop or is that not practical with their new subscription shit.

>>3814545
but it doesn't have the same optics

>>3814546
i think most people use an old version or gimp these days

>>3814546
If you're looking for a drawing program, you could always use Krita or something.

>>3814555
>>3814554
I'll go with one of those, thank yall

>>3814553
do you truly think integrity cares for the optics?

>>3814558
When the optics are a master showing her subjects who their betters are with a bull whip, yes she does. Those darkners have to learn who's in charge, and who picks the dark candy.

>>3814559
i dunno i think stabbing a guy and just having him flop over in pain sends a better message and also appeals to her affinity for violence

I saw an image someone made depicting the two ways people tend to see the integrity soul. One was a cinnamon roll who was just put in a bad situation where they had to kill some people to survive.
The other was Sundowner in a tutu.
Why is this the dichotomy we operate on?

>>3814561
The whip is the ultimate tool of racial violence.
>>3814562
Integrity is basically just diet Chara in UTY, so that's how the fandom treats her.

>>3814563
I feel like that's not necessarily fair. We know way more about who Chara was as a person both from their own speech and from the testimony of people who knew them, integrity in UTY is someone we really only know the actions of, but we don't really know too much about why they did what they did.

>>3814564
That's why I say diet Chara. All of the senseless violence, but none of the personality.

>>3814565
Well, who's to say it was truly senseless? They might've only killed in self defense, which I figure a lot of people would do if they didn't know about monster's bullet patterns being a social thing and not serious threats on their life.

>>3814567
>which I figure a lot of people would do if they didn't know about monster's bullet patterns being a social thing and not serious threats on their life
That is 100% headcanon anon. Nowhere in the game is it said monster attacks are all just them saying hello. The book in the library says they can make greeting cards out of bullets, not that its customary to shoot people in the head to say hello.

>>3814569
Really? I thought I remembered there being something more about that, but maybe I'm mistaken, it has been a while. I'll have to look into it more.

>>3814570
There's not. The only thing people have to base this on is the book in the library, which doesn't say anything besides "humans will never know the joy of receiving custom made bullet greeting card". We see in the game that bullets can be used non-offensively like when Napstablook does the "not really feeling it right now" or Mettaton's "union mandated break". or with green bullets that heal you. And we see numerous instances of monsters hurting each other with bullets like Asgore getting hit by Toriel Flowey killing Asgore, Napstablook's tears hurting the Dummy. So if monsters are hurting you with their bullets, its because they're trying to hurt you. If they just wanted to talk then they wouldn't be hurting you.

>>3814577
Alright, my bad then.
Although I will point out that Napstablook's tears hurt the dummy unintentionally when he just showed up to talk, so that is an exception.

>>3814584
That's still different from a greeting card though.

>>3814589
Yeah, but it's an example of a monster hurting someone with their magic unintentionally, so clearly it's something that could happen in other contexts.

>>3814590
I'll accept that monsters can accidentally hurt people, but my point about that "all monster attacks just being them saying hello" thing not being true still stands. Most monsters are actually just trying to kill you, and only a few of them are accidentally attacking you.

>>3814593
I'm still not sure that adds up tonally, since Napstablook also has bullet patterns that are just actual attacks, but he clearly isn't actually hostile during his fight. I think the more reasonable explanation is that most of the random encounters are basically just play-fighting with you, rather than seriously being out for blood.
For a somewhat more questionable example, there's So Sorry, who we see from his dialogue is also clearly not trying to hurt you, and is just extremely rather clumsy.

>>3814602
He's hostile because you attacked him. Remember you're moving him by force. So Sorry is a clumsy jackass, that fair. And there are examples like Vulkin and Temmie who are too stupid to realize they're hurting you with their bullets. But unless explicitly stated otherwise the monsters that attack you are trying to take your soul. Even the Froggits in the Ruins know you are a human are explicitly trying to take your soul. Remember there's a war against the humans going on, and everyone in the Underground's hopes and dreams are riding on Asgore getting seven souls. They just happen to be really easy to convince to not kill you.

>>3814604
consider: none of the monsters in asgore's home, of which you've all met on your journey, recognize you as a human.
the final bits of the intermission act as if you're just another monster
not to mention how mettaton broadcasted you on live TV and none of the monsters afterwards believe he had a human on air. there's one that even said "oh man that was pretty convincing CGI!"

>>3814604
>Even the Froggits in the Ruins know you are a human are explicitly trying to take your soul
What about the monsters that don't actually seem to recognize you as a human? Papyrus doesn't apparently recognize a human by sight, and Dogamy and Dogaressa don't realize you're human either. Asgore doesn't seem to recognize you as a human at the end of the genocide route either, but I think that's for another reason, since he instantly realizes what you are in every other route.
Also, Doggo (the dog who can't see very well, I may be getting his name wrong) in snowdin doesn't seem to recognize you at all, and is simply operating off of smell.

>>3814610
>none of the monsters in asgore's home, of which you've all met on your journey, recognize you as a human.
>the final bits of the intermission act as if you're just another monster
They clearly aren't the same monsters you met on your journey then. Because otherwise how do you explain those Froggits forgetting that you are a human and also escaping the ruins?

The monsters who don't recognize you as a human not attacking you doesn't at all disprove the monsters who do recognize you attacking you. Most monsters don't recognize you either because they don't know what a human looks like or aren't willing to assume that you're a human just because you look like one.
>>3814611
The dogs attack you based on smell. You smell like a human, which is why they attack you. After you roll around in the dirt to make yourself smell like a dog, they're more willing to spare you. Papyrus is canonically stupid.

What would be a good name for that other mountain we see at the end of Undertale? We're standing on Mt Ebott, which means that must be a different mountain.

>>3814617
yeah should've clarified same species.
but the point is: if ALMOST ALL of the monsters on your journey recognize you as a human, does it not start to make no sense when suddenly you come across a dozen in ASGORE'S OWN HOME that think you're just another monster? with not a single one that says
>hey wait! thats the bitch asgore's gunna kill!

>>3814624
The ones that recognize you are the ones that attack you. Plenty of monsters don't recognize you, and they're the friendly NPCs. Those monsters in the castle don't recognize you so they don't attack you.

>>3814622
Mt. Immet, like Temmie in reverse just like Ebott is Toby in reverse.

>>3814626
ok, but again, ALL of the monsters in ASGORE'S HOUSE??? the guy actively killing humans.
you'd think they know more about humans than a janitor turtle in waterfall.

>>3814632
Why would a human be in Asgore's house? That must just be some weird looking monster. Besides, why would they need to know what a human looks like, that's Asgore's job?
>a janitor turtle in waterfall.
Who are you referring to?

>>3814635
woshua. anon.
the new home monsters know less about humans than THE FUCKING JANITOR.

>>3814637
>woshua. anon.
I thought he was just a washing machine
>the new home monsters know less about humans than THE FUCKING JANITOR.
I don't see why the monsters in New Home would know any more about humans than the monsters in Waterfall. Its not like they'd have any more experience with them, and again, what are the odds that the person they're talking to is a human. Its way easier to assume you're just a funny looking monster than it is to say you're a human.

>>3814635
>Why would a human be in Asgore's house?
Well apparently you need to pass through Asgore's house in order to reach the throne room, because the architecture of New Home was designed by a maniac.
Really, if Asgore wanted to make the soul-collecting process easier, he should've told the royal guard to let any humans they see head straight for the capital, and then set up a shotgun trap in front of the door to his house.

>>3814642
>Really, if Asgore wanted to make the soul-collecting process easier,
Its well established that he wants the exact opposite of that. He prefer if he never collected that seventh soul at all.

>>3814643
Well, it'd mean he wouldn't have to face the humans when he takes their souls, so at least it would let him finish the plan with a bit less trouble.

>>3814646
He doesn't want to finish the plan nor does he want to take souls.

>>3814648
I mean, he still fights you out of obligation. I'm just suggesting a way to make it easier.

>>3814641
>I don't see why the monsters in New Home would know any more about humans than the monsters in Waterfall.
the reverse is also true, why would the monsters in waterfall know more about humans than those in newhome?
point is, why the fuck is are a janitor, a prank telling teenager, and an actual fucking airplane all more knowledgeable about humans than the monsters in asgore's house? in reality they should know exactly what humans look like given they live so close to the fucking child masher 9000

>>3814652
The monsters in Asgore's house may not live in New Home, they might just be there because they need something from Asgore. But even if they did live in New Home, why would being closer to the guy who kills a human every 20 years or so mean that they would automatically know what a human looks like?

>>3814652
additionally, the whole "monsters attack you to take your soul!" thing falls apart when you consider some monsters and acts.
shyren for example. you tell me that shyren is trying to take your soul.
you type out
>yes anon, shyren was hiding in a corner and sang a song for you because she wanted to take your soul
with a straight fucking face

>>3814655
ok and conveniently none of them recognized you as a human?

>>3814652
Hey, that reminds me, why the fuck are those monsters telling you all that anyway? I mean, out of universe it's an extremely clunky method of exposition, but what the hell is the in-universe reason for it?
It reminds me of a comic I saw on twitter a while back where Asgore is very carefully walking through his own house to try and get some food from his fridge, only to be ambushed by a conga line of monsters telling him how his children died like every single day.

>>3814657
Why not? Dozens of other monsters in Snowdin, Waterfall, and Hotland didn't. Why would a couple of monsters that were here to talk to Asgore that day be any different.
>>3814656
Maybe she just wants you to go away and that's why she's attacking. Or maybe she's afraid of hurting people with her singing, and that's why she's hiding. Or maybe Toby never meant for us to think about it this hard.

>>3814658
Do you have that comic?

>>3814662
No, I tried looking for it again and couldn't find it. No idea who it was by either.
I'll post it if I happen to find it again, but that's unlikely.

>>3814662
I just tried looking for it again, only to be met with what I can only call a hyper-beard fetish image of Asgore with an utterly gigantic beard for some reason.
I regret using twitter's search function, it is designed only to produce pain and suffering.

>>3814664
catbox?

>>3814665
Why?

>>3814666
i am genuinely curious. You can't just describe something like that and then not let me see.

>>3814668
It's not good. Like, they even forgot his horns somehow. I guess it's ostensibly well drawn outside of that, but like, I don't think it could possibly do anything for you outside of satisfying your morbid curiosity unless you happen to have this extremely niche and bizarre fetish.


...Don't say I didn't warn you.

https://x.com/DragonBoi94/status/1791641670192169351

>>3814672
kek, the weird world of obscure internet fetishes never ceases to amuse me.

>>3814674
Well, at least one of us got something out of it I suppose.
As for that comic, I'm just gonna say it's lost to the void for now. I scrolled through like 20 pages worth of images of Asgore with his dick out, because that's all twitter knows how to include in search results for "asgore's house", and I never found the comic.

>>3813868
Tbf, uty doesnt have much meta shit and clover is pretty supportive on the player's choices, so cole being more obedient makes sense on a consistency related way

Why are the snails sentient?
Why don't the dead snails in the bucket turn into dust?
Why is everyone fine with eatinig them?

>>3814974
they are just regular animals, the question is if animals in UT/DR universe have souls or not since they are closer biologically to humans than monsters are

>>3809664
Just realized why you put her weapon as a kanabo
Man im retarded

>>3815050
that was actually sig's idea

>>3815081
Is there any more art of your dark world kanako design or a character sheet? Only seen the ones on the game page

>>3815107
only fanart really

>>3815121
post em all

>>3815128
there are really few of them

>>3815131
about these ones, its someone wanting to remake DRY with a better artstyle, but right now its just new sprites, no gameplay or anything yet

>>3815132
also has their own take on the prophecy/delta rune because god forbid DRY doesn't have a prophecy or something similar because DR had it

>>3815139
thats about everything that has kanako in it, besides that one sig drawing but thats using mainly the light world outfit

>>3815130
some good ones in here

>>3815142
thanks anon

>>3811884
>>3813896
I was gonna whip up a simplified version of the mod for you with all the little easter eggs and debug stuff removed leaving only the sprite changes, in case those were causing some confliction but it gave me an error when trying to save it, it's hard to delete things in UTMT without hard errors popping up. But... it sounds like your problem is something else. Good luck with your combining mods endeavor, I wish I knew how that worked.

>>3813907
Guess I wrote that as cushion for the generally sensitive undertale community, there is something extra uncomfortable (to me) about sexualizing a melting girl begging to stay alive. I, unlike some others, do not get a kick out of it. I felt I needed to add that, but I suppose many have felt mislead by the addition of that line, as such I edited the line to be a bit more accurate to what I meant. The nightmare Martlet in flowey's neutral ending is where the real hyper breasts are found, and those I would consider horrifying, as they're not exactly pretty to look at.

Someone joking brought up the idea in a UTY thread some months ago, but I've actually been thinking about it for a while ever since, so I'm gonna bring it up here:

Undertale Octarine. How would that turn out? Really, what would the plot be? I think the person who originally posted the idea said it should have Rincewind as the player character, so I imagine you'd technically be playing as the spell from the Octavo keeping him safe from death.

>>3815185
if you do the ceroba mod you should make it so that each phase in her pacifist battle has bigger assets

>>3815081
honestly, these designs read more like Clover and Kanako darkworld forms now, rather Cole and Kanako.

>>3815185
You can always make a "zenith martlet with beeg boobs" alt download option through

>>3815133
The fan expectation to have a prophecy might be something fun to play with in a fangame. Like you could include a prophecy, but half way through reveal that it's not real, just an invention of the dark world. And its really just some story book bleeding in to the main dark world, making the Ralsei equivalent think there's a prophecy.

>>3809661 (OP)
>post your ideas
An Undertale fangame that takes place a few years after the aborted genocide ending (the Alphys becomes leader one) would be cool

>>3812511
I don't have too many thoughts on items and command order, but I do think it's cool that you're looking to expand the system like this.
One thing I will say is that I feel like it should be possible to queue commands in such a way so that you can use a TP dependent act and a TP raising item in the same turn, so you can use the TP item first to raise your TP to the necessary amount so that you can use the act, instead of having to wait another turn to use the act after having used the item.

Full Draft of Partners, Chapter 11: https://pastes.io/partners-chapter-11-full-draft
(No Pastebin, because it flagged my stuff last time, when I posted in the /v/ threads.)
As always, previous chapters are on Ao3 under the name Cobalt_Core.

Awhile back, I said I'd do partial drafts, cut after each POV, and not just the complete one. Not gonna lie, I straight up forgot to do it. It also didn't help that it would have felt a bit spammy, since this chapter in particular has so damn many POV switches, and I had a proclivity for using lots of POV switches already.

But anyway, I hope it's enjoyable. I posted a mostly complete version in the /v/ UTY threads a couple weeks ago and it got a good response, so I'm optimistic. All criticism welcome, of course. The one thing I'm not very satisfied with is differentiating the Feisty Five's dialogue without dialogue tags, since they all speak in a rather similar manner. I settled with leaving the exact speaker a little vague at times, and kinda treating the Five--excepting Starlo--as a single character for their dialogue. At least in some cases.

>>3815357
I remember catching it in the /v/ threads, I'll give it another read, I found myself really hoping that you keep going with this.

https://youtu.be/K-pHNUw5qKo
Why do undertale soul fangames keep making it so that the soul human doesnt stay with toriel for more than 5 minutes? Like, you do realize that toriel wouldnt get drunk often (as mentioned in the alarm clock) or fight frisk in an attempt to make them stay with her if every human kept magically falling into another unseen section of the ruins, right? If anything, she wouldnt even leave frisk behind in that one room if all the humans kept magically fucking off to another path within 5 minutes of meeting toriel, you do realize the logistics of reusing the same "human falls down into another path like clover" right?? Or do undertale fans still lack the creativity to come up with new ideas even after all these years?

>>3815370
because it's ultimately something inconsequential to the journey of the game anon, all these people have a story they want to tell and toriel's presence will always just be a footnote because of what is established in undertale proper - she met each fallen human, and has never left the ruins - so that drastically limits the scope of what you can even do with her
personally the unspoken obligation fangames have for needing to be 'canon' and fit into it limits what they can do way too much and i'd much rather they commit to breaking it if it lets cooler ideas breathe

>>3815370
There really isn't a great way of going about it if you really think about it. Toriel's exact wording regarding the other fallen humans is that "They come. They leave. They die.". Her usage of the word "leave" implies that they all left of their own volition (which kind of invalidates Clover just falling through a whole, but maybe she interpreted Clover not coming back up with her rope as them "leaving"), which implies that she was just letting them walk out of the ruins, entirely on their own, until she decided to draw the line at Frisk.
Regarding fangames specifically, this means that you'd only ever really be spending a few minutes with her at most, basically like if you just went through the ruins normally like in UT, but she just doesn't try to stop you with a boss fight at the end.
Toriel's kind of a bad guardian, huh?

>>3815386
>Clover just falling through a whole,
*Hole, damnit.

>>3815277
I love giant boobs, but there is a point where it stops being practical to animate a character doing anything other than lying like a beached whale. I think I chose a good size with Zartlet in the mod, and the first attempt was actually a few pixels smaller in diameter than what I ultimately went with, so we can all be thankful for that.

I doubt anyone wants to see sizes like pic related, I mean, that would just be absurd...
right?

>>3815394
YUM

>>3815394
I agree, the size you gave Zartlet in the mod was pretty good, that gif is just goofy

>>3815394
On a serious level, I do agree pretty much wholeheartedly, but on a much stupider level, I feel like it would've been kinda funny if her boobs suddenly became massive when the serum started wearing off, like the transformation is malfunctioning somehow.
Death by boob overload.

>>3815394
absurd sizes can be fun if used correctly that might just be the fat fetish talking but still but yeah kinda hard to do anything with them thats not just staying in one spot without it looking goofy (could use NPCs for that. shopkeeps and a certain cactus come to mind.)

>>3815394
I love this size, however i'm far gone.

>>3815394
hyper size just kills it for me in any way, it doesn't make it better that martlet melting is soul crushing anyways.

>>3815287
A thought along that line would be, what if the fears of the Warden aren't founded but come from the byproduct of the light world object from which he originates?
>someone in town made a safety mascot to warn kids about the dangers of exploring abandoned mines
>a faded flier became The Warden
>something about the Dark Jail is, very minutely, increasing instability in the mine and he can tell
>the lightner he sees as The Outlaw is running around and making the instability worse, the "life" within each of the Dark World affects the others and it's creating more subtle tremors in the Dark Jail
>the fountains need to be sealed else (what the Warden sees as) the world will end; the mine will collapse and kill anyone in it, light or dark
That's why he doesn't want to form a community around the Dark Jail, doesn't want the Lightners hanging around, doesn't want innocent Darkners brought to the jail, and wants the other fountains sealed as quickly as possible. He is focused entirely on safety and wants to do what he can to prevent the collapse of the mine the Dark Jail resides within.

A small DRY1 thing I haven't remembered to mention before: I think it might be more interesting if The Warden had a helper(s) that found Cole and Kanako after their initial encounter with Bearington, and if The Warden physically cannot leave the Dark Jail. It would be a direct contrast from Ralsei inexplicably traveling from world to world, and could be spun as the Jail being too dangerous to be left unattended for even a moment. The big foreboding keyhole to a deeper, darker part of the jail would feel more menacing if the Warden was unwilling to let anyone get close to it unattended.
The helper(s) could just be silent little scrimblos without much personality, the important part is the Warden being just as jailed as everything else housed within the prison.