Looking back, I didn't appreciate Alistair enough. I appreciated him a lot, but it was not enough.

Hes a good bro. Not in fag way

he's a whiny bitch

He's a good character but I hate him and behead him every time. he's a moralfag libtard.

>>3821191 (OP)
>Whooping is bad
Honestly I liked that dude

>>3821265
Considering the fact the Bann of Redcliffe is his uncle who practically raised him it really isn't unreasonable that he's extremely upset with you if you choose to abandon the town to the undead hoards and/or have his aunt killed later.

>>3821292
His aunt was a bitch.

>>3821191 (OP)
>decide we need to team up with the bad guy to defeat greater evil
>he throws a tantrum
>become a alcoholic

Quads

>>3821349
I'd say it's fairly reasonable to be angry and refuse to work with the guy who is responsible (in your mind) for the deaths of your brother and mentor, who tried to kill your adoptive father with posion, and put out a bounty on your head, hiring the most renowned assassins on the continent.

>>3821191 (OP)
He was ok.

>>3821568
It's also a question of not letting the mindless darkspawn horde kill everyone. It's better to throw an immature tantrum and run away, because that solves nothing.
The mature and rational thing to do would be to put differences aside until the threat is gone and then, if the people responsible are still alive, put them on trial/in jail/executed.

>>3821191 (OP)
He was bretty good. It was always fun having him and Morrigan in the same party and listening to them bicker. That sort of dynamic was also why 2's cast was fun

>>3821274
I loved him. And letting him fuck that skank so we could both stay alive and together absolutely broke me. Even though I have a crazy breeding fetish so the thought of him cumming bareback in pussy to sire his own child with his virile noble seed drove me insane.

>>3821637
ywnbaw

>>3821639
Thank god. Not that asshole from the Old Testament, Yahweh, I mean the one true real actual living god. Wayne Reynolds, who can do no wrong, and whose work is beauty, amen.

>>3821603
Maybe you're autistic

Anyways the blight dealt with without recruiting the backstabbing bad guy who nearly destroyed you, your order and any hope of defeating the darkspawn, so

>>3821648
>Maybe you're autistic
Not being mentally immature and overemotional is autistic? Ok. Yeah it's totally better to throw a fit when the mindless monster horde is literally at your doorstep and run away. That is mature and normal behavior.

>Anyways the blight dealt with without recruiting
Which you would have no way of knowing at that point, let alone the characters.

Alistair did absolutely everything wrong in that situation
>ignoring orders from a superior
>not briefly postponing vengeance to increase your chances of winning
>ignoring duty as a ruler
>doesn't even realize that grey wardens recruit anyone and everyone, including criminals
>acting unprofessionally in the open
>not even postponing him leaving to help the people of ferelden and being dishonorable

You can still like him, but what he did there was flat out wrong and makes him a bad person. In fact, you could even argue it made it clear he would be a very bad ruler.

>>3821674
>yeah it's totally better to throw a fit when the mindless monster horde is literally at your doorstep and run away. That is mature and normal behavior.
But enough about Loghain

>>3821674
Yes you are mentally fucked and possibly lacking a soul if you don't comprehend that it doesn't sit well with someone if you suddenly recruit the guy who fucked everything up, betrayed and killed the guys family.

>>3821689
>comprehend that it doesn't sit well with someone
And to make it clear, you should have realized he loses trust and stops following you.

>>3821689
>betrayed and killed the guys family
... What?

>>3821674
>Yeah it's totally better to throw a fit when the mindless monster horde is literally at your doorstep and run away

like how Loghain was preventing other Grey Wardens from coming in and helping because his paranoid racism (actually the agenda his masters wanted him to have) thought they were spies from a Nation he hates?

>>3821731
Oh right, I forgot that according to the nu-lore, Loghain was made to do it by the gay illuminati

I like how Loghain rather let spawn of hell lose than make alliance with French pipo

>>3821756
no idea why Loghain's masters would want The Blight to run amok

The game literally opens up with a story about Grey Wardens taking criminals as recruits. This is just Nights Watch in a different world, and logically speaking, everyone should stop being a crybaby about who gets receuited because they were warned and its for a greater purpose.

>>3822623
usually those criminals have some good skills, Loghain had nothing of value to give to the Grey Wardens and considering his actions towards the Wardens, I wouldn't want him with us

>>3822623
'The Wardens are willing to recruit anyone' is not the same as 'the Wardens MUST recruit anyone'. Loghain doesn't even have anything of value to offer as a recruit. He's a supposedly brilliant general (despite showing nothing of this in the game), but you don't need a general. He's meant to be a powerful warrior but to even get the chance to recruit him you've just kicked his shit in in front of the Landsmeet. You can't even recruit him as a sacrifice without metagaming because Riordan doesn't explain why you might want to recruit him until after you've already made the choice.

>>3822624
>nothing of value
>literally one of the most renowned warriors in Ferelden history responsible for securing their independence from Orlais

>getting another grey warden offers nothing of value
>when only a grey warden can kill the archdemon
Realistically speaking you'd want as many grey wardens as possible. Apart from the protag, only Alistair is a grey warden. It'd be downright stupid to turn down additional wardens considering the stakes and low number of them.

>>3822732
None of that is known until it's too late, because the writers needed to create artificial drama.

>>3822732
To add, Alistair was in line to be the next king. Even if he survived to reach the Archdemon, you'd sacrifice your new king for it.
There are a lot of really good reasons to have Loghain take the grey warden test and then fight the darkspawn.

Even though I never actually did it, the Loghain ending is by far the most kino ending for the game. The dude is an asshole who is ultimately given the chance to redeem himself, something he actually respects and desires to do for "the greater good". And as a cherry on top, it actually saves both the PC and crybaby from having to sacrifice themselves, something they're obviously not keen to do.

>>3822736
I've once done an ending where I make Loghain a warden and then sacrifice myself anyway. It was all well and good, until I've seen that Anora speaks at my funeral.

>>3822732
>Realistically speaking you'd want as many grey wardens as possible.
Realistically speaking is nonsense that everyone gets caked in darkspawn blood after every fight yet you're not allowed to recruit people in the wardens if only to save them.

>>3822736
imo the Loghain ending is better if you plan on playing the expansion Awakening since it's more fun to keep playing as the same character than some random Warden showing up out of nowhere while having more direct connections to the characters in Awakening.

Loghain doesn't need to be a Gray Warden to fight darkspawn. None of the companions are.

So for Alistair at the time, you are giving Loghain the honor of being a member of the order FOR NO FUCKING REASON

>>3822747
>Loghain doesn't need to be a Gray Warden to fight darkspawn. None of the companions are.
This is the game being very incoherent. All the companions should be Wardens (or somehow immune to darkspawn blood) or the "corrupting darkspawn blood" part should've been cut from the game.

hurf durf feggitz git off mai vidyer

>>3822750
I chalk it up to corruption requiring ingesting large amounts of the blood

>>3821191 (OP)
I can't replay Origins because you can't create any situation where you're allowed to kill Anora

>>3822754
The combat gore in Origins is pretty egregious, and also you could be infected just by getting in contact with it on an open wound.

>>3822747
>Loghain doesn't need to be a Gray Warden to fight darkspawn. None of the companions are.
The game flat out tells you that only a grey warden can kill the archdemon anon. Did you not understand what was being told to you? Did you not understand why the grey warden that slew the archdemon also dies? Did you not understand what Morrigan offered as a bargain chip for you to avoid death?
And before you say something like
>well giving morrigan a literal god baby she could then take over like her mom did is a great idea
you can just stop right there.

>>3822760
NTA but I can't remember if you have actually been told about the gray warden magic needed to kill the archdemon thing at the momnent you can kill or spare logain

>>3822760
>The game flat out tells you that only a grey warden can kill the archdemon
That happens only after the Landsmeet. For all you know (at the time of making that choice) Loghain is right and Gray Wardens are only useful but not strictly required.
You get informed about that little fact only just before the battle while you're resting in Redcliff.

>>3822763
Doesn't even matter. Only reason to not recruit Loghain is because Alistair says no for irrational and biased reasons while also threatening to abandon his duty like a literal child.
Alistair is 100% in the wrong here.
In fact everyone is better off with Alistair gone anyway.

>>3822770
>Alistair is 100% in the wrong here.
>In fact everyone is better off with Alistair gone anyway.
Oh, I totally agree there.
If the royal blood produces retards like Alistair and Cailan I don't see why that blood line should be preserved.

>>3822770
Loghain not stabbing you in the back like his typical idiot self is only a writing contrivance and there's no reason to think he won't be a liability at the time

>>3821265
>he's a moralfag libtard.
Better than retard

>>3822774
>Alistair and Cailan
Chads. Cailan was the biggest fucking chad in Ferelden. Wasn't he sexting with an orlesian princess? Too bad the bitch he married had a barren womb, and that her father was a cunt.

If Loghain wasn't such a fag, Cailan would have won the blight and been home by tuesday

>>3822778
Loghain has no reason to try to stab you in the back after losing, darkspawn are at the door and his daughter being a thing. Prior he thought the darkspawn wasn't a big threat since he didn't think it was a real blight and had Orlais PTSD.
It's in his best interest to focus on killing the darkspawn at that moment.

>>3822821
We know absolutely nothing about his character at that point except he's a mass murderer, poisoner, a plotter with Tim Curry, etc. It is actually the libtard cuck option to be a hope-filled pussy and trust Loghain for no reason.

>>3822821
>Prior he thought the darkspawn wasn't a big threat
Prior to what? He tried to kill you until the very end

>>3822770
>yeah I was wrong about the thing I directly cited but actually, I'm right because muh FEELINGS
Loghainfags

>>3822821
>Prior he thought the darkspawn wasn't a big threat since he didn't think it was a real blight
Yes, the brilliant general figured the Darkspawn weren't a threat even when they'd overrun half the country and he was literally incapable of defeating them without your help (which he still refuses even if you turn almost the entire Landsmeet against him). Truly the kind of rational, reasonable person you'd want on your side after he's tried to kill you multiple times.

>>3822818
>Cailan was the biggest fucking chad in Ferelden.
No heirs? More like the biggest fucking homo.

>>3822832
Barren wife. Even Alistair doesn't deserve being forced to marry that bitch.

>>3822835
>Barren wife
Not an excuse.
If his father could pop out bastards so could he.

LOGHAIN DINDU NUFFIN HE A GOOD BOY
>Loghain's profile picture:
>posing with antifa crows, with dead grey wardens, ferelden forces and a king, and a destroyed lotherin in the background

>>3822841
Das rite, it wuz da elven devils who made him do eet

>>3822836
Only royal pussy is good enough for Cailan, that's why he was going to divorce Anora and move up.
Besides, he knew he didn't need an heir yet because he had Alistair.

>>3822843
>submitting to and becoming the prince-consort of not-france's Empress is actually based
Homo behaviour. A real chad would've invaded and taken a new wife by force.
>Besides, he knew he didn't need an heir yet because he had Alistair.
Even if he did knew, which I don't recall being the case, letting your half-elven half-brother take the throne in case your pretend-hero retard self dies during an act of assisted suicide sounds rather cucked.

I'm sorry but the royal bloodline has to go. It's clearly tainted and can't produce high quality royals. There's plenty other nobles who would fit the throne better.

I kind of want to replay this now as a dwarf noble with the loghain ending.

>>3822848
Ok, Howe

>>3822851
I was thinking Cousland or Wulff, the fact that you're thinking Howe reveals your devious mind.

>>3822860
It was a joke about Howe himself posting that anonymously

>>3822848
>>submitting to and becoming the prince-consort of not-france's Empress
There's nothing to indicate that this was going to happen. Monarchs of different nations have married before IRL and kept their titles
>marrying a woman is homo behaviour

>even if he did know, which I don't recall being the case
All the Guerrins knew, Alistair knew, Maric knew, why would Cailan not know? Unless you believe that Cailan just happened to randomly pick Alistair, the literally who new Warden, to be the one kept back from the fighting.

>just sacrifice the bloodline that Ferelden spent literal decades fighting to preserve under the Orlesian occupation and put some random noble on the throne
None of the others have magical dragon/reaver blood, though. Are they supposed to put some upjumped peasant like An*ra on the throne?
Sacrificing the Theirin dynasty while you still have a living heir is retarded and it's baffling the Landsmeet were even considering it except for narrative drama. It would be dumb even if Cailan and Alistair were terrible kings, but at worst they're merely average (and Alistair can grow to be significantly better even without Anora).

>>3822868
>Sacrificing the Theirin dynasty while you still have a living heir is retarded and it's baffling the Landsmeet were even considering it except for narrative drama.
Because putting an half-elf on the throne of a nation where elves considered lower than dirt makes total sense. Surely that would never cause issues in the future.

>>3822881
shitty fanfiction from later worthless games that don't matter isn't important

>>3822881
Half-elves are completely physically human. Alistair was raised as a human, it's ambiguous as to whether anyone, even Arl Eamon, even knows who his real mother is (since it was only established outside the game). How are they going to find out, do a DNA test?
Yes, it is better to maintain the magical royal bloodline that dates back to the founding of the kingdom instead of putting some random on the throne. Eamon even points out how retarded it is to suggest while Alistair is alive, and that Loghain doing so is a betrayal of everything he and Maric fought for. Notably, even Loghain doesn't question Alistair's claim, he just raves on about >muh Wardens.

>>3822720
and yet you wipe the floor with his ass, can't be that great

>>3821349
Well, you really don't need to do that and it also makes little sense to do.

>>3822913
Not only that, he actually gets weaker when he joins the party since he no longer gets the bonuses for being Boss rank.

>>3821195
fpbp

>>3821637
>And letting him fuck that skank so we could both stay alive and together absolutely broke me.
Just be more of a freak about it. Make her be his wife, too.

>>3823175
Throwing a tantrum, threatening to run away from the fight, what your mentor you idolized wanted and your duty as a future king makes even less sense.

Even Darkspawn are better rulers than Orlesians. So Loghain and Alistair did nothing wrong by prioritizing their personal ideals over defeating the blighted menace.

>>3821191 (OP)
I can't get into dragon age any more they massacred it mutilated and told me I'm a bigot for not liking there writing.

>>3823394
For me, it's just that in retrospect the pacing, encounters and quest design just really does not hold up. Golems of Amgarrak is a notable exception and a 10/10 module if you play it with a fresh character.

>>3823288
>Loghain
>personal ideals

Reminder >>3821731 is canon

>>3823175
>Well, you really don't need to do that and it also makes little sense to do.
That's literally what Duncan did for like half of the origins. He just deus ex machina'd some fuckface criminal, apostate or madman from well-deserved execution with muh Right of Conscription. And it fucking worked.

If Alistair spergs about Loghain it proves that he did not understand what made Duncan a great leader.

>>3822752
Thank you for remember this

Tourists who want to cry about 'muh veilguard writing' now, but can't accept DA always had shit writing. 'Swooping is bad lmao!', etc. Fuck off.

>>3824189
>but can't accept DA always had shit writing

like everything surrounding Loghain and his denial of The Blight and preventing other Grey Wardens (people known for stopping Blights) from coming in and helping because he thinks they are spies

>>3824189
It's nice that tards like you exist for others to laugh at. Thinking they have something witty to say, only it's the most braindead shitpost possible. Great job raising the quality of the board. Now run along back to /b/ where monkeys belong.

>>3824258
DAO has poorly written parts, but you thinking that is one of them speaks volumes for how stupid you are, as well as your inability to judge what is good or bad writing.

>>3824263
>but you thinking that is one of them speaks volumes for how stupid you are, as well as your inability to judge what is good or bad writing.

it's the only thing I remember about the writing of that game is Loghain being the biggest tard of them all during a national crisis.

>>3824269
That part makes perfect sense considering
>he didn't think the blight was real and that an archdemon was coming (which no one really thinks it is, including the king), don't conflate the player knowing it because it's a game when everyone else doesn't take it very seriously
>he has ptsd from fighting orlais and the king was basically handing ferelden over on a silver platter, at the very least in loghain's eyes
>the king was an arrogant goofball
If you actually knew how real people behave and given the context, that makes sense. It also served as a good opening to the game.

>>3824276
>>he didn't think the blight was real

he was at Ostrigar, so that automatically dismisses this claim

>>3821191 (OP)
>>3821349
>>3821674
>>3822747
>>3822774
it doesnt matter.
None of this matters.
Mystery Niggas did it.
The series is dead.