What happened with the latest Protectors update? Is it so bad that the thread had to die here as well?

>over four days
>still zero replies
Grim. I remember how these threads used to get over 500 posts.
But this reminds me that I should go back to WB1 campaign. I only finished the two first missions before I had other things on my mind. For hero I went with human ranger. Dunno if that's a good choice.

>>1758410
The only good choice is undead necromancer.

>>1754258 (OP)
There was an update in the meantime i think and i should get back to it, thank you for reminding me anon!

>>1760925
Since the launch of 0.9 that is

>>1754258 (OP)
I really hate a lot of the things they did with that update.
I'm thinking about doing a Dwarf campaign in WBC2, what's the best dwarf hero in that game, merchant?

>>1761263
Dwarf Heroes are weirdly difficult to pick. A fast hero will outspeed the entire army, a spellcaster gets no bonuses, Rune Magic is prolly one of the worst spheres.. So yeah, fighter or merchant.

>>1758410
>I remember how these threads used to get over 500 posts
I think the board got a bit faster as well but yeah 4 days without posts is plenty regardless, me personally I didn't come to this board for a bit but i got the itch to play WBC again, gonna do a alchemist run and play gacha with item crafting.

>>1761539
You can play someone that isn't a wizard?

>>1762431
What do you mean anon? Of course you can, classes that dont cast spells are very viable, fighters, assassins and support classes like merchants all strong

>>1762498
Um, no.
Source : my level 6 paladin human heroine got killed in a single lucky strike by the fucking merchant enemy hero.

>>1762500
>level 6 paladin human heroine got killed in a single lucky strike by the fucking merchant
See there's your problem, a heroine gets directly countered by a rich ugly bastard, think anon

>>1762653
...funny you say that, he was a Dwarf hero, so literally ugly fat bastard.
But yeah, convinced me that sending heroes in melee was a horrible idea.

>race
Human
>faction
The Empire
>class
Merchant
>retinue
Elven women and girls
Yep, it's gaming time!

>race
HUMAN
>faction
Knights
>class
Warrior
>retinue
HUMAN knight lords and mages
Yep its GAMING tiem!

>>1763072
>sending heroes in melee was a horrible idea.
Full on warrior classes can wipe out armies by themselves and assassins can one shot pretty much anything, melee is viable, was it an empire or a knight paladin? Knights make better paladins.

>>1763782
Empire.

Pyromancer best class
>decent physical stats for a spellcaster
>high damage spells
>has a mass heal
>has a spell that gives units ranged fire attack with fire-breath helping with leveling buildings with cheap troops
And literaly all downsides can be avoided by microing your hero well, how can other mages even compete.

>>1765387
This made me realise how WBC is a pretty good template for MTG RTS shenanigans, you could translate a bunch of post mending, and especially post desparking, planeswalkers into heroes. Im now going to make Grist (a swarm defiler).

>>1763492
Build that harem, Empire chad

so which campaign should I play as a newbie to this game in protectors

>>1754258 (OP)
The last update was years ago
Most people had their fill and moved on.

>>1761263
I picked Runemaster, because it's a Dwarf only class.
Dwarfs in 2 had only 3 classes anyway.

>>1769169
Last update was like 3-4 months ago, anon.
>>1769168
Pick a race and faction you like and then just chose something you find fitting, that's what I'd do, leveling system isnt as complicated as wbc1 and 2 so you cant brick your hero as easily.

>>1769168
Oh wait fuck, campaign, I thought you were asking hero classes for some reason, they have the WBC 1 campaign in there so might as well go for that one.

>crits your hero
Heh, nothing personnel

How do i cope with the fact that 99%of my hero deaths are my own fault

Don't talk me until I
Burn the forest
Strip the land
Go to the mines
Build more

>>1774597
they should be on 24/7 babysitting duty until they're strong enough to tank comfortably and get away from danger

>>1774743
>in the name of progress
wtf dark dwarfs are lgbptq+

>>1765387
I would say the best heroes are
>Human Pyromancer in WBC1
>Demon Pyromancer in WBC2
>Minotaur Healer in WBC3
You combine powerful combat stats with super mana effecient healing spells.
Way better than the actual Paladin classes.

>>1773422
These buckos always scared me when I was younger. Lost a few heroes to them on no build missions and then got jumpscared by the screaming dude that pops when you lose

>>1754258 (OP)
whoa, I thought I was the only person that knew about Lord Bane.

when was there a warlords renaissance?

>>1777766
Lord Bane was also in the puzzle game.

>>1773422
You can play without heroes and not care about those fat bastards

>>1773422
their assassination ability in the turn based games was just as bullshit, ignoring all stats and hp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HntHPALqrw

We're back. I for one, welcome our Zoomer overlords, that will give this game at least some extended lifetime.

>>1754258 (OP)
sseth just released Warlords Battlecry III review, you fags made a thread few days earlier, coincidence? i think not

>>1778731
It's over...

>>1777766
Lord Bane was the protagonist and antagonist in warlords 3 dlr

>>1778751
Why

>>1778731
Oh shit it happened, hope more people pick up the game cause it's just fun desu

>>1778746
We've had plenty of threads desu, i wonder if he actually is here

>>1778731
Heh, I wanted to come here and post it myself, but I forgot. It amazes me how he manages to make the game sound so exciting, I never tried any of the builds he describes but I'm 99% sure that none of them are worth doing compared to just standard vanilla army, time-wise.

>>1778731
I played the game over a decade ago and I still remember the evil/brute voice, and the exact intonation of "Move out!".

>>1778796
Daemonic Male voice >>> all

>>1778217
>taking back drak-dum from gnolls
dwarf campaign was brutal

also, in army setup on skirmish type maps
>Assassins unit
>1 strength, 1 hits, 5 turns to make, 18 movement
>5 Assassin skill
>Gnoll cavalry units
>5 strength, 2 hits, 3 turns to make, 24 movement
>4 Assassin skill
disgusting

At least it was just 1 time per combat
negated by warding and opposing assassin skill, but that's less common.

Based sseth playing the game for fun with ridiculously builds, he gets it.

>>1778731
He has been showing glimpses of the game in a few of his videos now, I pretty much expected it desu

Where did Protectors touch you? As I see not even Sseth can give this game some new life

>>1779267
If I wanted some AoE knockoff I would play the AoE. Also great work making almost every item fucking useless.

>>1779267
Hey people will play it for the campaign nobody expects a huge boom, desu our threads are comfy, i don't mind it this is good

>>1778731
Anybody here tried that swarmlord megumin build?

>>1779267
the MPfag autism is unfun anyway, who wants to get assassinated out the ass by some minmaxxed gay twink night elf? The point of the game is to get OP and bully the computer

HEY HEY PEOPLE

I bought this game on GOG yars ago but have yet to play it.

I can't stop thinking about Battlecry III ever since sseth's review. It reminds me of how I last played it over 10 years ago.

>>1781017
just pick it up again, it's as good as ever. You're not obliged to put a million hours into another campaign

How many of the 10 Polish men who still play this game post here?

>>1781724
They're making a Heroes of might and magic tabletop game. Ubisoft is heavily targeting poland currently.

>>1781724
I play it yet I'm not Polish

>>1781945
>I'm not Polish
My condolences...

>>1781724
Reminds me of when some Polish autist tried translating the whole wiki into Polish one page at a time before they reverted it back to English. kek.

>Fey Merchant
>spam leprechauns for infinite gold
>research lore 9
>flood the map with cheap 100 xp garbage
Yep, it's gamer time.

>>1782280
>top of the morning to ya

sounds like a broken game

>>1782668
It kind of is, but in a fun way if you embrace it. If you want a "balanced" competitive RTS then AoE2 or whatever is obviously a better option than this extremely niche game.

>>1781945
God, what would I give to be Polish...
>be worst Slav instead

How to quickly level up?

Why shartectors keep crashing in multiplayer so often just want to play it via lan with me senpaitachi

>>1783901
>He fell for the Merchant meme

>>1783901
Campaign missions and quests on maps

>>1783901
do skirmishes with tons of starting points and titans and enemies and allies and just take part in the bloodbath (and win). It will usually net you some decent xp. There are usermade maps filled with trapped enemy thralls and you can just send your hero to chow down on xp

>>1783989
Wait, he get more XP if he kills them directly?

>>1783901
download an xp farming map

>>1783996
yes, as is the case with every unit. You get some xp bonus for winning and surviving, but you need to do some killing if you want more xp

>>1784472
Kinda sucks, all my heroes are not fighters and tend to die instantly.

>>1784481
send your hero at least to destroy enemy buildings when you're done disposing of their armies. Babysit them with a healer unit. This is a game with lots of choices anon get creative

There is no reason to play Warlords Battlecry and Warlords Battlecry 2 except for the campaigns, right?

I played either one or both of them ages ago when they came out as cover games ("free" full games with computer magazines). I can't remember which one was it, but one had a really strange campaign, like you play as Humans and then suddenly you get to choose between the good and evil route, I don't get why you would suddenly start fighting for orcs and dark elves (maybe undead?) because someone died or something. Really weird.

>>1785181
Wbc2 is better than wbc3 because of the levelling system and less faction bloat.

>>1754258 (OP)
>Is it so bad that the thread had to die here as well?

I remember installing the update and being excited. Then I was hit by the upkeep system. I am sure it is fair and balanced for multiplayer, but I play single and find the AI got enough tricks to limit me.
While I see the point of other balance choices I feel it subtracted from the experience of WB3 and made it more counter play oriented.

When I finally got upkeep turned off and tried the campaign again I realized it was still unfinished and by that point my excitement had burned out a bit.

I still get in sometimes and play one of the old campaigns, it just feels less WB3 than 0.89

>>1785216
>levelling system
What went wrong?

What's the difference between a necromancer and a lichlord?

>>1785181
Because the hero's daughteru died because of negligence, so he get mad.

Is this the only game where the viewers did not really pick it up after a Sseth video?

>>1786046
No many such cases. The least fun game that I actually paid for on GOG that i picked up because of Sseth was Lords of Magic. Like Age of Wonders + Heroes of Might and Magic, except worse than both of them.

i love jesus christ! jesus is alright with me

>name the civ

>>1786071
Lords of Magic was always a broken mess that just makes me wanna play Shadow Magic again.

>>1786071
>LoM
I actually bought the CD version of LoM:SE way back in the day, circa 2004, from EB Games (in was on the clearance rack). Never really played much, had no idea about that unicorn bug, until Sseth mentioned it.

>>1786046
I can't really say for most of the games he covers, but I believe that most of the viewers did not pick up Wizardry 8, since all the steam/gog forum posts are still the same 20 Eastern Europeans data mining the game or autistically optimizing builds.

>>1785956
Necros get necromancy and arcane magic, while lichelords get necromancy and poison magic among other things.

>>1786140
That's because Wiz 8 isn't just a meme, it's a genuinely difficult, at times tedious game. And the younger zoomies watching his videos wouldn't like it.

>>1786179
First 2 or 3 hours are difficult and rely on procing debuffs to win against anything stronger than a crab. It gets much easier after that. I'd say it has a pretty good balance overall.

>>1786188
Debuffs remain surprisingly viable longterm. At least until the enemies start having ridiculously high resistances.

New to the game here. Which class should I pick for my Minotaur hero?

>>1786234
Fighter obviously, and then click opposite corner of map
Funny that I actually did this years before Sseth video, was brought to my attention watching a youtube solo fighter let's play

>>1786246
Wouldn't I need to at least baby sit him a bit with other units?

why waste your APM skills on this instead of a more respectable "old strategy game" like AoE2

Yeah that'd be silly

>>1786188
You can easily fuck shit up if you overlevel early on. You'll encounter juggernauts with a sige support caster, or, if you really went all out, elementals with a geomancer support.

>>1786537
This is why you try to avoid battles like the plague when traveling the roads.

>>1786427
I dont understand

>>1786621
he shilled it

Do you use this for Windowed mode or is there something better?
https://www.moddb.com/mods/warlords-battlecry-iii-widescreen-patch

>>1787470
I've tried using this and can't get the aspect ratio to actually correct itself so I just get a big window with a small game screen inside. Someone on the forums suggested using CNC-ddraw and setting it to fullscreen upscale and UI glitch fix and that's mostly corrected my display issues with alt tabbing but the aspect ratio is still smaller than I'd like. Any body have useful gameplay tips? I picked dark dwarves and tried to skip to the 3rd area after doing the first one and I keep getting jumped by the ssrathi I don't want to piss off and I keep getting fucked by multiple tyranosaurases while I've got a few measly golems and balistta's. Is there any way not to piss off the ssrathi or do I have to fight them early in the campaign?

I wish we got more avatar skins for heroes.

>expert playthrough
>plays Minotaur
>try to find something else, ironman playthrough
>also plays Minotaur (different channel)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL08liXPDp6HmK7qMBDdlk9z9a7xV-8Y3t

The bulls keep winning...

I don't like how Diversity is your greatest strength in Warlords Battlecry III. Did the second game also have alliances like this?

>>1789123
we're so fucking back minotaur bros

>>1789123
So the ironman meta is
>avoid Dark Elves
>please Dark Elves whenever possible
>genuflect and prostrate thyself to the Dark Elves

Also, is there a patch that removes the "anti-cheat" detection? I don't want the game to write into my fucking registry mid game.

You should NOT be allowed to make alliances between good and evil factions. Good and evil can only ally with other good or evil respectively, and neutrals. If a neutral is allied with good, they cannot ally with evil until they break alliance with all goods.

>>1785216
I also like the buildings more.

>>1790000
No alliances, but you can use races after you've defeated/subjugated them.

>>1790177
Dark Elves Assassins do end a lot of runs.

>walk into gate on ironman mode
>ironman mode is over

I like Undead Warriors the most because they suck

>>1790574
How so?

>>1790593
They suck life

>>1790603
Oh, that's the joke.

>>1790200
way too autistic for the simplicity of campaign design. It's a needless hoop for the player to jump through

Can you just play multiplayer with overpowered heroes?

>become ally of Barbarians because I killed 4 of their chieftain
>mission difficulty in mission description goes from "Hard" to "Easy" when I switch from Undead to Barbarins
What did they mean by this

>>1790698
sure, but good luck finding someone to play with. The 10 polish men still playing this game will anally annihilate your overpowered ass anyway in more ways than one

>>1791076
undead are slow and expensive, barbarians are fast and cheap

wish there was some way to speed up the
>and then everyone clapped
before victory

I finally got to the part that reminds me why the Battlecry 3 campaign actually sucks.
>play as Undead or any other evil race hero
>barely any acknowledgement
>you still have to do nice things to proceed the campaign
>people willing to serve apparently even under a fucking Demon like he's just their buddy pal

>>1791076
Those games give extra ressorces to the AI players if you play the same faction too often in the campaign. Play another faction for a few battles and you should see the shown difficulties go down for the Undead.

>>1754258 (OP)
>download game
>go barbarian
>dat javelin throw range
>broken ass campaign
>lag because the game doesn't use multithreading to support all the wacky shit added in
>uninstall
But honestly, I got peeved by the barbarian javelin the most. I can't even be bothered to find out what else has been horribly rebalanced.

>>1791709
I played for non Undead for more missions than undead and they're still marked always as the Hardest.

>>1791702
The campaign seems designed for a neutral race, at least from a story perspective.

>>1791702
>people willing to serve apparently even under a fucking Demon like he's just their buddy pal
Yeah It's very funny to play as demon since we against another demon (main antagonist) too

>>1786046
There was no discernable increase in players from War Thunder due to everyone who tried it killing themselves

>>1791356
But that's the best part.

>>1793321
I'd kill myself too if I had to grind for 60 years before getting to the fun part of the game.

So if you want to actually have an evil playthrough possible, is WBC the only option or can you be evil in II too? As we've established, III is for neutral and to a lesser extent good races only

>>1794129
undead

>>1794129
https://tiermaker.com/create/warlords-battlecry-3-multiplayer-races-184048

Post em

>>1788655
you have to fight through the ambush on the way to the Ssrathi capital far as I can tell, thankfully you don't actually piss off the Ssrathi unless you actually choose a mission against Ssrathi.

>>1790177
in fairness, dark elf assassins have a decent chance of instantly ending your ironman run because they have upgrades to their base rate and they're deployed more often than gnolls and minotaur kings in my experience.

Why didn't they make Plague Lords just another undead faction instead of a hybrid?

>>1795431
Because Lord Bane is the pure undead master of the Dark Horsemen. Lord Antharg was known mostly for using his plagues to mutate creatures at will for his twisted amusement.

My favorite bug is the one where randomly sound stops working (including voices) but not the music.

>people talk so highly about the gate skill for demon summoner
>it is only 2 exp per point
Am I not seeing the big picture or was this nerfed?

Why make duplicate items, but one costs more?

>get last key for the gate
>game crashes after cutscene
death

My cheevos before I start the final mission:

That was disappointing. Didn't even get the "now go and explore" message.

So many people wanted to be my friends

Is this the greatest Australian strategy game of all time?

>>1796804
no
that's Warlords 3 Darklords Rising

So, is the Battlecry 2 campaign more fulfilling than the Battlecry 3 one? I literally don't remember anything from it. I just vaguely recognize the map when I google it.

>>1797171
it's more of a sandbox world conquest than a quest/story driven narrated campaign, but there are a bunch of special missions and scenarios popping up every turn. Shame they didnt implement any diplomacy

We all know which general unit is the best but which one is the worst?

>>1797549
>general unit is the best
big bulls?

the guy my high elf archmage's wife tells him to not worry about
>>1797549
naga is kinda shit

>>1793723
Of course you can be evil in 2, just pick an evil race.

Ah once again, the call of the Warlord strikes.

>>1799445
They had UFOs in the past?

>>1799459
The Warlords strive for the rule of Planet X.
Winner gets to go teach the Egyptians how to make pyramids

What is a good way to farm set items?

>>1799458
Nature requires breeding

>>1799445
>Warlords 5 never ever
sad...

>star character
>iron-man mode because leveling is much faster
>die in the middle of the campaign
>restart in iron-man mode because elevating is much faster
>repeat

>>1800806
skill issue

I am currently playing with a demon summoner and mostly put my points into summoning magic with a gew points demon lord.
Which magic lore would also be good to level in addition?
Pyromancy? Arcane? Both?

>>1801949
Arcane is probably the better pick as it will get you the most benefits for fewer points. If you don't feel like going all in on summoning for whatever reason then feel free to invest as much as you want in pyromancy as it is probably one of, if not the best, school of magic

>>1797723
how good is sage empire wizard army?

>>1802669
What is even considered low and high investment?
Is 20 points still considered low?

How do you as a non fighter win tournament missions?

>>1805989
>he fell for the non-fighter meme

>>1803955
When I tried to play an Empire Sage, I found it kinda pointless as by the time I had any mages I was already winning. So I didn't even really get to test how powerful they are. I guess it just shows how versatile and effective Empire is.
>>1805989
Items, campaign bonuses, spells, luck

>>1806532
Me on the bottom left.

>>1806532
>I guess it just shows how versatile and effective Empire is.
More like the Empire generals are no real win condition.
A worse case like this would be Summoners.
Not only do you need lvl 5 keep but also upgrade your overly expensive summoner tower plus they are expensive and build slow.
They are fine as returnee but nearly impossible to for useful mass production.
It is easier to spam Demons and Salamander.

>>1806571
I saw some multiplayer games that were decided by Summoners because the opposing sides eventually ran out of resources. But maybe the custom patch they use also makes them cheaper and faster to produce.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs424bFidS0

How the fuck do you guys play WBC3 on modern machines?

>Fartlords Asscry

>>1806690
GOG version + widescreen patch

>>1806699
KEK version + shartscreen smuch

>>1806660
>But maybe the custom patch they use also makes them cheaper and faster to produce.
Maybe.
I am not using the fan patch

>>1783694
>be worst Slav instead
fellow slovakbro???

>>1807597
Based & červenopilulkovaný

>Want to transverse the mountains
>have to make a detour over half the world because my hero can't deal with those fucking hypogriffins
Second most annoying random encounter are the trolls, because they can attack two times in a row

>>1806660
coolest demon unit in wbc2 but takes forever to tech into, and expensive as fuck

Was exp for units a mistake?
It is so difficult to judge the enemy units because of different exp.

>>1808609
it's a UI design problem, not a game design problem

>>1808609
That's pretty much only relevant with the Fey though.

>>1808828
But why?

>>1808989
Have you ever actually encountered any other race troops with enough exp to make them significantly stronger? For me this only ever happened when AI received mercenaries.

>>1809001
What unit is this? I don't remember knife ears using knives, or metal armor

>>1809025
Elven infantry in Warlords 3, this illustration was also used for some upgrades in WBC and mercenaries in WBC3.
>I don't remember knife ears using knives, or metal armor
What the fuck are you talking about, they use them everywhere all the time?

>>1809037
This picture is a CORE MEMORY from Warlords Battlecry for me. It always randomly pops into my mind when I think about strategy game elves.

>nopan barely covered pussy lust provoking image
>but also bald loser elf woman

>Generals who can't attack flyers
Imagine being this cucked

Is the WBC3 campaign “story” the same no matter which faction you pick?
Seems kinda dull to do it again and again for different factions.

>>1809932
Each faction has a different relation with other factions.
Depending on some choices you unlock different maps.

>>1806704
B A S E D
A
S
E
D

Why do some races barely have any race specific magic items. while others have tons?

>>1810515
Racism, simple as.

How much CHA should a hero have, if it is not a warrior you just click on the other side of the map?

>>1809025
>>1809043
A lot of the art in Warlords Battlecry is originally from its turn-based sibling series, Warlords 3 in particular. In Battlecry the devs often used whichever preexisting art asset from Warlords 3 most closely matched the new stuff they were creating, so it doesn't always match exactly. It's usually at least thematically appropriate though, so it's not a big deal.

Why are elves such unplayable dogshit
Weakest eco in the game lmao

>>1811942
Just use summoning or necromancy.

>>1811942
this isn't a competitive game, and you can beat the AI with anything
t. dwarf and wood elf player

>>1814007
>this isn't a competitive game
Explain that to The Ten Polish Men

>>1811942
dont ancient wisps generate crystals on their own? Just stackem. Yeah it is annoying but thats what you get in a game with 30 different factions, some of the mechanics are going to be annoying

>>1810515
some races are primarily martial, some are primarily magic

>>1814144
What does that have to do with anything?

>>1810515
Cause some races are inherently less capable of producing great works of art and technology than others:)

>>1814230
a race of retarded feral niggers like minotaurs won't have a lot of special magic items. They will have axes of scrotumshredding instead

>>1814365
>Dwarves and Orcs have a lot of magical items
>Dark elves and fairies have barely any
Yeah no. Your theory is bullshit.

>>1806699
Doesn't the GOG version fuck over Undead players because summons are on a timer?

>>1814427
No, that's the steam version.

Is there a mod that removes invisible obstacles on the ground that prevents you from building?

>>1814443
Can I make a hero immortal if I put everything into regeneration?

>>1815459
Nope, they can be still one shot by any unit with assassination.

>>1815469
Ignoring assassination for a second.

>>1815552
Then it's also hypothetically possible to get one shot by some form of damage, unless regeneration also increases max HP I don't remember

>>1815573
>unless regeneration also increases max HP I don't remember
If you bump into strength it also increases your hp max

>>1815459
All you need for immortality is the Paladin Helm.

>went into this thread due to Sseth's review
>finished Battlecry III twice before thread finished

Are Titans in 3 much weaker than in 2?
I remember them being actually a firce of nature while now they can be easily killed with 3 to 4 demons

BLOOD HEALS ME!
DEATH DELIGHTS ME!
PAIN PURIFIES ME!

>>1754258 (OP)
>>1791738
I actually like the protectors mod for what it tries to do. But like a lot of fan made mods it suffers from a few things that for some reason most creators do.

Namely that the gameplay was slowed down to cater to a more turtle style of play. The speed of units seems like it was slowed across the board. Buildings have tons of HP and dedicated siege weaponry is now a must when attacking enemy bases.

There was some clear faction favoritism with the Orcs, dwarves, and dark dwarves. While other factions like the minotaurs got nerfed hard, and still other factions like the swarm seem like they got ignored. The creators spent lots of time doing things with boat units but they end up being annoying and not relevant to most maps. The user interface and descriptions are bogged down with way too much information.

Certain spells spheres also got favoritism treatment with chaos magic in particular stealing some of illusion magics best spells and illusion magic itself being reduced to a joke. Most spells cost way too many AP points with the last spells in many branches costing 8AP(the equivalent of 2 level ups).

Units getting their own abilities that cost crystal was OK but then the crystal costs are all over the place with some abilities being expensive and worthless and some begging the question of why they didn't stay as unit traits. Mana abilities for units and buildings take forever to regen now that mana regen upgrades have been removed.

But still I have been playing it quite a bit because to it's credit it does add a lot of content and features. Like the ability to rename your retinue units by clicking their name, that was kinda cool. New voices for units, new units and spells.

Not a fan of the new unit limit system. They messed around with the whole food thing and now they've basically given up on it and uncapped the unit limit to be based entirely on keep level. They need to go back to the original system where each building ups the limit.

>>1816861
The unit type system is also quite complex and not intuitive, they went for a rock paper scissors type approach where 'swordsmen' beat 'spearmen' which beat 'cavalry' which beat missile units. And flier with the exception of dragons are just totally useless now that they become vulnerable to attack by any ground forces when they attack. Dragons however are so strong that getting one early can basically win the match. and speaking of early dragons...

Mercenaries. Holy shit. What were they thinking. Mercenaries cost little but come in such huge numbers that some of the factions that can hire mercs early from their buildings are very OP. One of the dwarf factions can hire mercs at keep level either 1 or 2 and then they can just spam waves of cheap mercenaries. Some of which include a storm dragon or very high level magic missile units that can steamroll opponents.

Neutral mercenary buildings (taverns) have a collective pool of mercs to hire so if the opponent beats you to the tavern they can hire all the mercs and you have to wait until they get more so you can't even hire your own to match the ones your opponent hired. So most maps with taverns become a race to see who can rush to the tavern first to hire mercs.

>>1816868
>And flier with the exception of dragons are just totally useless now
So, Demons are unplayable now?

>>1816861
>>1816868
It's annoying. Everyone has their favorite factions in the game, and the game is not meant to be balanced. Why they would nerf shit is beyond me.

>>1817930
>the game is not meant to be balanced
More like they did not care for balance.
Still annoying that Undead got magic item sets.

You thoughts about my tier list?

>>1818258
Agree with S but id put gorgon there as well personally as a snussy enjoyer

>>1816233
Year+ old Warlords threads are a staple of /vst/ since the beginning

>>1819038
>snussy
>shows no signs of having s pussy

>>1818258
Where's the female heroes?

>>1816868
Rock paper scissor with units is too pronounced. It used to be that you could manage by building a good amount of units but right now even just a few pikemen can really damage a formation of medium cavalry.
We already have weapon type/armor to set things apart, why double down on unit types too which a lot of races haven't even a complete set in their rosters?

Age of empires can pass because all factions have the same units but warlords didn't need this mess.

Fuck orcs.
I hate them so much.

>>1823792
No mess with orcs

Whst keeps any semi magic user to play with Empire against a loser AI in a skirmish, research spells unyil you got at least lvl 3 spells in Alchemy and create artifacts and set items?

>>1823792
Why? They are so weak

>>1825328
They have too much stuff against flyer.

>>1818258
The pixie should be higher
>le pedo
She's a fae and you literally got tricked, she's probably as old as creation and takes that form to screw with people. Dryad is on point, they're top tier units as well.
>>1809025
>What are dragon knights
Elves were always that brutal in warlords. Warlords and Battlecry are linked if you play Warlords 3 and the dragon knigh and hunters shows as much.

Is there any mid that doesn't change tge core game play and only adds maps and items to the campaign?

>>1831924
>mid
Mod

>>1831924
you can't freely edit the campaign, so no

Why does the wiki use the word "molested" in the Dryad paragraph?

>>1763729
based

>>1817243
No demons are actually really good because they got the hellhound basic unit and the ability to summon a huge cascade of units from each other at the cost of crystal. So they can build units with gold and summon units with crystal which allows production using two resources which is a big plus now that most units costs have been consolidated into gold and sometimes metal.

Also the demons got a new soul mechanic where the more souls they absorb the stronger they get and souls restor health and mana so they do quite well despite the flying mechanics.

>>1834080
Because she's a WHORE

>>1833596
I don't really know what you mean by "freely", but editing the campaign is possible. For example, I edited mine to immediately unlock the whole map after the first scenario, so I don't have to do the missions for the Ssrathi/Empire every time.

>>1834080
God just imagine suckin on a Dryad whore's fat tits, your comrades just see her nude back while you just go to absolute town on her fuckin udders

>>1835725
>your comrades just see her nude back
My comrades are scorpions.

What are your favourite battlemaps?
I like the Barack Obama halls and Daros Rift

>>1837787
Defend the Wall, it's just a chill map with an easily accessible shrine and mausoleum for quests. Was my go to scenario for earning some crowns.

>>1837787
>Rift
I fucked it up. I Meant gap.

Are daemons (the units) too strong?
They excel in every stat, can fly, two can kill a dragon and as advanced units are quite spamable

>>1840148
the entire point of daemons is it takes a lot of time and resources to get these strong units

>play the High Elf defense mission as High Elves
>manage to destroy the Dark Elf bases before the timer runs out, hoping that the DE Titan doesn't show up
>the DE Titan shows up anyways and start eating my base alive
And I can never get my own Titan to counter it. I know for a fact the mission is doable but I don't know how.

>>1840957
Stronger hero?

>>1840291
>it takes a lot of time
Level 4 keep and 2 basic buildings seems fairly reasonable

>>1841069
>Level 4 keep
you can finish off enemies with many races before hitting t3

>>1841078
I mean, it's always easy to let your warrior run into your enemies base and wreck havoc

>>1815459
So, I tried it out with a warrior with everything put into regeneration.
The scaling gets worse and worse tge higher your regeneration value.
Currently I have 800% increased regeneration at 0.07 HP per seconds and it takes like 4 points to further increase it for another 0.01

>>1841095
no I mean you can spam wraiths/stone golems/other decent t2 units and win with low tech before demon can even field any damage dealers in an adequate amount

I like Warlords.

>>1834898
how fren?
https://youtu.be/TFgmWimHb9s

>>1842736
>>1841095 (You) #
>no I mean you can spam wraiths/stone golems/other decent t2
But Daemons also have decent t2 units to defend.
Granted I was never in that situation when I was rushed like this, so I can't say if Reapers and nightmare ls do the job appropriately.

>>1844755
I downloaded a bunch of tools for modding WBC3 from some fansite like a decade ago. That site is probably dead by now, so here's a download:
https://mega.nz/folder/HxBj1I7L#qFVXXAqHuWz_fZQJLWC5RQ
I opened the campaign file with the XCR editor, and copied the line "<Condition type="victory" id="global_episode" action="assign" value="2"/>" from ACT_KalpSeers to ACT_ExploreSundIsle. The files are pretty self-explanatory, so you can make edits like that easily. For example, you can also unlock a shop in Yrm that is normally inaccessible - probably a bug.

>>1845447
dolphins...

How well does a Woodelf with summoning magic works?

All 3 WBC games are like 12 euros on GOG right now, do i buy or do i pirate? If anything goes to the actual devs im buying but if its all ubisoft im not spending shit fuck ubisoft

>>1847936
enlight and infinite are both fucking dead so pretty sure it all goes to ubisoft.
feel free to pirate

>>1848531
Thank you anon, piracy it is

Weird shield

>I obey

>>1847936
ubishit deserves nothing

>>1851425
I think you mean BASED shield

>>1847936
>>1853527
Why even does Ubisoft get the revenue?

>>1853633
they bought the ip, happens all the time

>>1853540
it's not very practical.

>>1854066
Warlord Battlecry IV when

>>1816861
>>1816868
Having played the protectors mod for a few months now I must revise my initial assessment to say that it's really good. It took some getting used to the new meta and I'm still not entirely satisfied with some things. Altogether the mod is quite solid and offers a lot more to the player than the base game.

My only gripe now is that the swarm and the fey definitely need some work with how the tweaks to the economy system affected them. They are too slow to get going and their frail units are priced too high compared to their stats. Even compared to the base game it seems like the cost of sylphs and spriggans is higher and their stats just don't reflect their cost.

Surprised the protectors mod isn't more popular since it's free and a better version of the vanilla game.

>>1859759
>Warlord Battlecry IV when
Ubisoft is borderline fucking dead and probably going to be forced by shareholders to sell itself (most likely to tencent).
So safe to bet on never seeing anything Warlords related ever again.

>>1867863
To the Chinese. Bleh.

WHY ARE ALL THE IMAGES DEAD AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>1864616
It would be more popular if they didn't insist on fucking with major systems/mechanics that really didn't need to be fucked with

from dust we come

to dust we go

>>1880195
Yeah, my highest level hero right now is a high elf paladin, and that knight protector skill is just sitting there not doing anything.
Would love if it applied to all units called a knight.

>>1883986
LOCK UP YOUR CHILDREN

>>1887999
OH YEAH

>>1872037
I've since changed my opinion on it after dumping several hundred hours into it.

I can see what the mod maker was trying to do but there is a lot of hidden information that isnt documented anywhere in the files. Like cover bonuses, unit type effectiveness, unlisted spell effects, etc. But once you get an intuitive understanding of the mechanics it's actually quite fun. But yeah the downside is that there is a lot of new stuff to figure out and learn and some of the reworks do beg the question of why were they even reworked. Like untying the unit cap from number of structures and lumping it into keep level. Or making towers count towards the unit cap but while controversial that probably was necessary to address tower spamming. I still think that towers should only cost 1 unit cap instead of 2 though. 2 seemed excessive.

Also putting ships in was kind of a questionable use of time and resources when they can only be used on supported maps and don't so much for the overall strategic aspect of the game other than be super annoying when the ai spams boats to flood any available water tiles with them.

No memories

no gains

No pain

>>1758410
This is like the slowest board on 4chan but hey that's our style. That's why rts is dead.

Lock up your children.

>>1901232
its wild that this thread is literally half a year old and still going. God I love /vst/

>>1904366
Our record is 276 days, but I think we are on track to beat it

>>1890529
>some of the reworks do beg the question of why were they even reworked
Sounds like another game of feature creeps.

Taste my DARK blade

>MASTER?
>WHEN DO WE RIDE?
>WE RIDE
>RIDE THEM DOWN
RIDE THEM DOWN
>RIDE THEM DOWN
RIDE THEM DOWN
>RIDE THEM DOWN
RIDE THEM DOWN
>RIDE THEM DOWN

>>1910426
Yeah adding boats was by far the biggest question mark for something unnecessary being added. But I've seen a lot of other modders fall prey to that sirens song too. Namely the shockwave/rise of the reds devs.

But once you get the hang of the most recent protectors mod version it's actually really good. Much more stable and refined compared to previous versions. Having your units auto-cast spells by toggling with the middle mouse button. Map customization and expanded settings. Three different campaigns. It's great. I play it almost every other day when I get home from work.

Despite any complaints I made in previous posts in the thread it really is a great mod.

>>1917542
Neat. I should check it, then.

>>1917580
Glad to hear. There is a bit of a learning curve but if you play around with all the factions you will get the hang of it.

>Version 0.9.2 of The Protectors of Etheria has been released!

>Download:
https://www.moddb.com/games/the-protectors/downloads/tpe-beta-v092-full

>Steam:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2420170/Warlords_Battlecry_The_Protectors_of_Etheria/

>While waiting for the download to complete, how about you take a look at our youtube page? We've published our old testing footage and some bloopers from the dev period. https://www.youtube.com/@warlordsbattlecrytheprotectors

>Changelog:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQIyTcomtijtCjY9Z1UeIJ6dKutyhz6D8PImNGG_-6ag4EtX6rB55hqbVYqnYroCZlqJv4U8xCdQXUg/pub

>Donations:
https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/TPCtreasury

>>1921581
When the hell did it get on steam?

>>1921723
as a mod? last year chrismas i think for legal reasons you need to buy wbc3 and then you can get tpc mod on steam launcher

>>1921581
I like that the rock paper scissor system of unit effectiveness like AOE is gone (since it was clearly out of place given the unique unit variety) in favor of the actual WBC system with damage type and resistance/defense.

And that elites are now more powerful comparatively to the basic units.

And units can see further, with attack orders not stopping because FOW hides an enemy for a second.

And dual wielding weapons! Now I kind of want a hot swap button for weapons like in an mmorpg...

>>1921581
Played a little last night with the iron fist minotaurs. First impressions.

Lots of bugs were fixed. Some hero portraits have been reworked. The main menu has been remade to be less clunky and more intuitive. The armor system is now what it was like in wbc2 and that's a very welcome change. New build menu makes it much quicker to place buildings. Items, skills, and the stat system have been reworked for the better. You can port heroes over to the new version and respec their stats.

Overall this version is a big step forward and everything feels much more polished and sleek.

>>1921581
I did a few skirmishes and the dwarven scenario, I like this version a lot, I've also seen that they made some changes to the WBC 1 campaign so i might just go though all 3 big campaigns

Only odd thing I've noticed so far is how ranged damage is calculated on heros when the weapon uses dual damage. Bows that are piercing/fire will I think display the fire damage as the main damage "type" if that makes sense. So it shows a very low value because the fire damage component in the combination is lower than the pericing damage. But this might also be a mistake on my part. Going to do a few more tests to find out.

Also it's neat that the stat affects for heroes have been changed so that now they affect other things. So now dexterity directly affects ranged weapon effectiveness instead of strength.

WBC2 Extreme difficulty CAN SUCK MY FUCKING DICK. Fucking retarded unbalanced bullshit. I fucking hate these shitty gimmick maps. Ragnar mountains is the fucking WORST map in this game right next to barad dunmyr and solhaven. These are barely playable by some factions on normal or hard difficulty. Step number one when playing as high-elves on extreme difficulty is to conquer the Dark Dwarves because they don't suck dick. They killed my max level dryad too.

The only balance change I don't understand is why all the skills that gave higher unit levels were nerfed so much. All of the skills like memories, golem master, taming, mage king, etc.

Was that really an issue? Now you need like 5 skill points just to raise units level by one for the specific units, and 10-12 points for the skill that affects more generalized units like with taming and memories.

Are heroes being balanced around the ultra high level heroes that people get from cheating or something?

>>1927390
>dryad
There is the problem

>>1928335
Dryads are on par with daemon summoners in being one of the best generals in the game. A standard dryad is ok and can be dangerous but a dryad with few levels and especially with a buff from morale can level a base in seconds and solo small armies because of how fast she is.

So on the newest version of the Protectors when I'm selling items tooltip says I'm gonna get a bunch of crowns like 45 or so but when I'm actually selling it I'm getting a single fucking shekel.
I don't think it's supposed to work like this.

>>1929937
i'd say it's very realistic
https://youtu.be/voKXkP1arGg
https://youtu.be/xrApKul_ikg

>>1929937
I've submitted it as a bug and they said that with left click it works as intended while right click sells the item for only 1 gold... as do or did equipped helmets.

(But if you find yourself in need of crowns you can input the cheatcode "iamacrownsman" in the game chat.)

I've gotta say, making a merchant warlord (in TPC) and use the massive discounts and extra resources to get a leg up and create deathballs of units assigned to my lord as bodyguards and getting the HUGE bonuses from the tactician talent, morale and hero charisma to steamroll every hero and group of units that dares to face me directly. That makes me smile.

It gave me a fighting chance in a 1vs 3 scenario with extra enemy reinforcement in a swarm tunnel network like it was spaceship troopers.
And I fumbled the start by going in with the Daros barbarians at max level 1 so I only had dogs. I didn't win it was too much of a slog so I retreated with dignity by resigning... but I could have!

not having everything die in 1-2 seconds really makes the mod more playable

What's a good low effort race? Tried Knight but their non-cav units are just worthless, so I always have to wait for a cav army.

>>1936155
Orc and Plague have probably the strongest early game. Maybe Minotaurs too.

>>1936155
You can rush dragon knights with the high elves. I've been doing it since the first time I bought the game years ago and works well enough even on the mod, fast decently tanky and powerful. Probably have better elemental resistances than the knight faction do and there's a lot of nice high elven upgrades you can research to make them competitive even in late game.


(Ps. For those that play the mod what's your favorite unit ability? There's some busted ones that bribe units to change sides but I usually focus on the unit summoning ones or don't bother research them at all.)

>>1901232
>This is like the slowest board on 4chan
I guess you've never been to any of the actual niche boards like /po/ which still have active threads from 2023.

>>1936177
Barbs! Just throw em at a problem and it all works out.

>>1929937
>>1930685
Good to know I was wondering about that.

>>1927541
So now that I've played it a bit more i've got some mixed feelings.

The damage and armor system getting reworked was good but the removal of the counter system (swordsmen, spearmen, calvalry, ranged working like rock paper scissors) was bad because I was just getting used to it and now ranged units are back to being stronger than they should be. Some generals got way over buffed like plagelords being on par with a minotaur king. Plauge lords in general getting both acid damage and new ghoulification effect that turns your units whenever they die while infected and not just when their resistance drops to zero is really strong.

Which reminds me of another gripe which is that for many of the new afflictions like frostbite, crippled, bleeding, acid, etc neither cure nor dispel works on them and with paralyze and frostburn in particular the effects last way too long.

The theivery skill got broken in the latest version because they tried to work it so that it really did steal resources from whoever you hit instead of just giving you resources. Although it is currently non-functional I can only imagine how overpowered this is going to be when it works properly.

Towers can now fit larger units which is good. However ranged units garrisoning them now does nothing to add to range or damage which is bad. And the new upgrades that give towers dual damage types is very overpowered for the ones that get any type of slashing damage because it does carry thorough and can hit multiple units. It would honestly be better if they had left this alone because now there is no reason to garrison ranged units besides healing since they don't buff the tower like melee units do.

Also if you ever get a chance use the Diraque Empire factions racial power once you've built embassies near a few mines because it easily makes your units have an attack speed of 0.4 attacks per second which is the minimum.

>>1939263
> it easily makes your units have an attack speed of 0.4 attacks per second which is the minimum.
Because it buffs moral based on culture amounts in mines and turns all of your units into attacking with machine gun levels of speed for like an entire minute. Which doesn't sound like much but if you've had it used against you the enemy can basically level your entire base in that minute.

Anyway I hope they release a patch soon because right now thieve and sides that use the thief skill like the minotaur raiders of the pale sea faction are basically unplayable.

Also when they removed the weapon restrictions from all the classes that was good but now there is some kind of weird damage and chance to hit glitches going on. I tried using a bow with a thief and his shots either wouldn't do damage or if they did hit only give an affliction like poison but no damage if the arrows were poison type.

Anyway I really hope the team can settle down and stop making so many sweeping changes every single version. They have basically reinvented the entire games meta like 5 different times now.

Anyone tried United Rebels?

>>1939263
I did notice that ranged units don't raise the damage of the tower, looking into the changelog (0.9.2 part 2) in the misc(ellaneous) section there's this passage:

"Missile units garrisoned in a building that supports shooting no longer increase the stats of a building’s attack. Instead, they attack independently but use the building’s range for their own ranged attacks. If the building doesn’t have an attack of its own, then the range unit uses its own range stat as normal."

So garrisoning stronger ranged units is actually very powerful!


I haven't been able to figure out if the culture thing the Empire should have is broken or I'm using it wrong though...

>>1939938
>
"Missile units garrisoned in a building that supports shooting no longer increase the stats of a building’s attack. Instead, they attack independently but use the building’s range for their own ranged attacks. If the building doesn’t have an attack of its own, then the range unit uses its own range stat as normal."
thanks I didn't realize. I saw something wonky with the towers a few times but I didn't realize that is what was happening. Good to know that archers in towers aren't useless. And that does make some sense from a design perspective because increasing tower range did prevent artillery from hard countering towers.

>I haven't been able to figure out if the culture thing the Empire should have is broken or I'm using it wrong though...
Culture is good for preventing the enemy from retaking your mines instantly which is nice and the tier 5 upgrade that allows culture to convert enemy units is pretty cool even if its kind of slow.

The culture racial power ability that the Diraque Sub faction has that I mentioned in the previous post is really powerful. I'll try to get a screen cap to show what I mean.

>>1940611
Here's a before and after of what I'm talking about with the diraque empires racial power. It lasts a minute and with ~6 mines at 100 culture this was the bonus I got from it. It is absolutely wild how fast it makes your units. If you use it right before assaulting an enemy base your catapults and battering rams do like 2 hits per second and absolutely level buildings and base defenses in like 5 seconds flat.

What the fuck happend with the OP image

>>1940632
DAMN, diversity really is our strength huh

>>1941270
The thread is so old, even ops picture decayed

>>1941458
Some racial powers are strictly better than others. But it's all good since WBC was never very balanced to begin with.

I've found that the best way to deal with an empire AI using this faction is to constantly attack their embassies and mines before they can build up enough culture to fire it off. Once you hit the late game a well timed invasion with this power can be a death sentence.

I should make a tier list of the different faction powers.

>>1942400
>But it's all good since WBC was never very balanced to begin with.
What if it was but they fucked it up?

>>1942400
I really love the iron tower demons' racial power, Though it's not the strongest it's really fun!

Pay 500 crystals and BAM instant tower!

Or the dark path one, summons 8 invisible superfast assassins to fuck up an enemy general or hero.

>>1942514
Wood elves and Knights and to some extent dwarves weren't very powerful in the regular game. One thing I can credit the protectors mod with is that almost all of the sides feel powerful with no one side feeling particularly under powered. Even the minotaurs who lost their resource scavenging powers still feel powerful because of the rage mechanic giving them more combat as they fight. But as far as the protectors go the Minotaurs are the only side so far that I've played that feels less powerful than others but I'm also biased because they are a favorite faction of mine.

>>1942805
I like those too. They are both helpful and they fit the lore of the factions really well. Being able to spawn a tower can help with attacks on the enemy and also give your hero somewhere to hide if you need to buy some time before reinforcements can arrive. The Dark path power is good for harassing enemy heroes and generals, it can also be used to guard areas they arrive at before they switch to rampant and aid in scouting the map.

Wew lads. Now that was a game and a half. Me vs 3 duke AI on a random map that ended up being an archipelago. Got curb stomped 10 minutes in by a fuck huge wave of imps and random units. Curious I entered spectate mode and scoped out the direction it came from. A dwarven base where the enemy hero was casting circle of power then summoning huge blobs of imps. Figured it must either be a warlock or a demonologist. Reloaded from a save at the beginning of the match wanting to get to the bottom of what happened and check the enemy heroes stats. Tried to rush the dwarves base, got curbstomped again and reloaded. This time I figured the best course of action would be to dig in. Start spamming towers on the west flank where the attacks are coming from. Summon 2 ballista and put use their special ability to anchor them and get better range and damage. Start surviving the first waves. Easten flank gets attacked by small high elf attack group and lose a tower and structure on that side. Switch unit production to firebats, Kobold snipers, and hellbores (playing as Dark orcs of Toragnar). Constant back and forth between waves of dwarves and demons from green team plus the occasional raid from blue team high elves. Can barely explore the map or do anything. Just bide time while building up an artillery blob. Slowly upgrading and switch from firebats to wyverns. Then start mixing in orcs and ogres to deal with ground forces. One of the good things about the orcs is that with the scrapyard you get a bounty for killing enemy units and with 3 scrapyards you have basically infinite resources if you keep killing. Purple team gets killed off by Green team and they claim their resources. After a long crawl towards Green finally weaken them enough that their mines can be destroyed. Their hero gets killed attacking Blue which puts an end to their demon waves. Finally end up killing green team then finish off blue with maxed out army, dragons, and titan.

>>1944549
Anyway before Greens hero got killed I actually did get to see them and after pausing and checking their stats they were indeed a warlock. The AI had dumped most of its stat points in Strength. Then maxed our both summoning and Chaos Magic. Which explained the demons and random units mixed in with them since they must have been using transform on some of them to get better ones. I also forgot to mention that Green started near a mage tower that they captured so as a result all of their spells were getting cast +5 levels higher. The rest of their skill points were all dumped in constitution for more HP and Regeneration for faster hitpoint regain. Their overall health regen rate was something like 0.452 HP per second so when garrisoned it was half that which was how they were able to cast so much. I'm guessing that at the start of the game they burned through all their health potions to cast more then got killed later on in the game because they had none and wandered away from the safety of their base. Also for context Warlocks cast spells using HP instead of Mana for anyone whose not familiar with the game.

But yeah that was a hell of a match up.

>>1944554
I've been running a warlock lately and he's an imp factory and half on his own (plus fills the mines with quasits). Almost always the first wave of flying snowball flingers either kills an enemy or interdicts the broader map from heroes and their retinues and thanks to their attacks causing slow they get surprisingly good mileage if they manage to surround anything (that isn't a pyromancer).

>>1944895
It honestly caught me by surprise and I was impressed that the A.I. could do something like that. Also hell yeah warlocks kick ass.

Imps and quasits make good targets for the transform spell too. You can get a lot of good random troops super early at a not too steep health cost.

thoughts?
https://www.moddb.com/mods/warlords-battlecry-iii-united-rebels/features/overview-of-the-game

>>1948594
Looks fun. I'll have to give it a try soon. Reading through the change log they did a lot of things I agree with although there were a few oddities like renaming the banshee to crying lady and renaming a lot of the knight units to have "sirian" in their name. And a few other naming conventions. But I'll reserve judgement until I actually play it. It does sound like it addresses my main complaint with the regular protectors mod which is that it changed a lot of things that didn't need to be changed.

Once I play it I'll give you a better assessment of it.

>>1948594
I like it for what it tries to do but it still needs some polishing. Namely spelling mistakes, grammatical errors, and buildings having way more HP and armor than is called for.

It's good aspects are that it rolls back a lot of unpopular changes that the protectors mod made. For example the way mines work. It redoes a lot of unit upgrades and makes them more powerful. Crystal costs have been removed from spell casting and units now cost varied resources again instead of just gold. A lot of upgrades are cheaper compared to the regular game or The protectors. The AI art is OK but the hero portraits style does not match the style of the base game which causes a clash. It seems like the camera is zoomed too close, not sure if this is a resolution problem or something but its far too close to get a big enough picture of the surroundings.

Other good things. Lots of new units, hero skills/classes. Most races have been re-balanced in a good way. Skill points required for unlocking spells have been reduced down to sane levels. Spell unlocks in the collectors up until the latest patch were costly.

Things that are questionable. Most races have had their sub-factions reduced down to 2. With the exception of Demons who have three. I can see what the author was going for trying to consolidate sub factions that were similar and making the base faction feel more fun by keeping the fun stuff from some factions. But in a way it kind of goes too far and it would have been better to keep more of them and make them feel similarly unique from each other if nothing else than for the sake of flavor and variety.

I kind of like that classes are restricted because it allows for greater focus on how the class and the race interact but with the reduced variety and limited selection some of the classes now feel kind of similar. Assassin and Rouge both took the thief skill and have the bounty skill. The titular assassin skill has now been nerfed to require level 40 to unlock it.

>>1949067
Going to need to play test it much more to get a better feel for each race and class as I was only able to try out the dark dwarfs and dark elves today.

>>1949067
>>1949068
Shame that you have to suck their dicks on their discord to get the latest version.

>>1949393
Yeah i have no idea why people soft lock their own content like that. Discord elitism has really gotten out of control. I would think that if you spend time and energy making something you would want other to enjoy it and talk about it. If for nothing else than for the fact that if enough people enjoy your content they might donate to you or otherwise help you improve it.

>>1948594
>AI crap right in the main menu
Absolutely disgusting.

>>1949467
>Knight picture that's been used since WBC2
???

>>1949580
Retard. I'm talking about that: https://media.moddb.com/images/members/5/4169/4168809/profile/2.png
Pic was my reaction.

>>1949467
On a related note.

To the credit of the latest of the latest version of the protectors where they used AI art to alter hero portraits and add more it works because they had it pixelated and in the same general style of the main game. But even still there are a few instances where the AI made mistakes with the anatomy.

Also for the love of God if anyone regularly talks with the collectors mod creators on discord or something can you tell them to tone down the factions that have mercenaries especially the dwarf faction Holy City of Duernoth who gets their Merc building at keep level one. It is almost impossible without a high level hero to fight off wave after wave of high level mercenaries every 2 minutes that the AI is buying for next to nothing.

The ability to hire mercs either needs a longer cool down, higher cost, or needs to be moved to a higher keep level. Preferably all three. And other factions with mercs have a similar issue with this because of how Overpowered some of the merc bands are. Sorry for the rant but you can try this for yourself and see how frustrating it is.

>>1949852
*Protectors not collectors.

Anyway not to waste a post. Hopefully they either patch the latest version or come out with the next version soon because the thief skill being broken has affected the game immensely. Also for the rune spells sphere the summon petrifying guardian unit from the summon guardian spell doesn't work. The description for it says that it passively casts Awe on enemy units but it does nothing.

Also there seems to be some weird shit going on with missle units damaging enemy units. Either not hitting them at all or doing zero damage. Noticed it specifically when a ballista was shooting at a celestial hatchling. Might have something to do with new armor system and ignore armor effects.

>>1949852
I occasionally go look at the discord, you can just come in and plop down your observations in the apposite bug report section (named "bug-hive_092").

>>1950162
I think I will because its a real problem that should be mentioned. For all the changes and balance suggestions that get made im surprised nobody has conplained about it enough for them to do something about it.

>>1950212
I think people used to complain about ai merc spam quite a few times. Has to be some kind of integral part of the mod teams vision or something given that it's still in.

>>1948594
I like alot of what that sub-mod does, the minor factions to The Protectors add alot of flavor and the skill trees are cool but stuff like the upkeep was always annoying and I am glad this mod removes it. I just wish I could have more Hero race combinations, like Bard on Knights or Empire. Does anyone know if its possible to edit the files to allow for more Hero/Race class combinations?

>>1951043
Probably not. But if you are good enough at programming you might be able to ask the author for the source files because I think that's the only way you can edit it.

>>1950848
It wouldn't be so bad if they either put the ability to hire merc later in the tech tree for certain factions, priced the mercs more in line with the amount of units you get meaning making the prices much higher, removing dragons from the roster of mercs because that is just pure cancer trying to stop a fucking dragon in the first 3 minutes of the game with a hero who isn't level 50+. I don't get it either, but I get the feeling that it's because the game is being balanced around very high level heroes that people only have because of trainers and XP farming maps.

Devs! Release the patch already! I can't wait another 3 fucking years to have the skills you broke since the last version to be fixed!

For the love of God please stop adding features, please stop changing the meta. Just fix the fucking bugs and glitches that's all I ask! Please I beg of you! Stop reinventing the wheel and just fix the fucking wheel!

>>1949737
>that fucking swordspear being held by 2 characters
rofl

>>1955773
>Looking through the development log on discord
>They already fixed the Thievery bug last month
>No patch in sight as they are still fixing other bugs...

Well in the meantime. What faction/class/build are you maining? What's your go to map/campaign/game mode? What strategy do you use? Got any good war stories from recent battles hero?

We have beaten our 276 day record and are on track to maybe even hit a year
That fucking Attila thread looks like they may try to challenge us once again however

>>1959191
Anon. I think it might just be me and you posting in this thread. I'm not sure why more people aren't into this game considering it's free and in most respects an improvement on the base game. I wonder why more people don't give it a try. It's really fun. But anyway yeah I plan to keep posting here and if the thread makes out I'll probably make the next thread if one doesn't pop up.

>>1959338
>>1959191
There's at least 3 of us actually

>>1959681
More then that. Just been a while since I loaded it up since Protector ran like ass so I was waiting a few patches.

>>1959853
Yeah I think the constant changes to the game system and the numerous checks and rolls the computer has to make for every action is now starting to tax performance quite a bit more than previous versions.

>>1960308
I still don't get why they added rng to damage when flat numbers worked perfectly fine

Has anyone ever fought a high druid? I've played dozens of maps and I don't think I have ever seen a single ai with that class

>>1959338
Because I prefer WB2.

t.lurker

>>1959338
>>1970867
I also prefer WBC2 to 3. The autistic mod changes aren't necessarily better for a non-autistic player.
Buildings and units in 2 just look better and far more faction-coherent than in 3. The plague faction are just lazily slapped together assets, they use zombies, and then there's a zombie but with a mace and shield. 3 feels like a fan mod compared to 2. The last campaign mission is also weird and goofy with the OP skull spam

>>1970890
I agree with all that but I also liked the campaign more.
But yeah, apart from the architecture the knights got I wasn't really a fan of any of the new stuff so I just went back with 2, which also limits what your hero can be, thematically appropriate.

>>1965530
The autistic need to tinker. They also hated randomness as they constantly fucked with how the combat system worked nerfing deathblows and so on. Adding a damage range that was visible was the compromise between randomness and known quantity. There's a lot of weird stuff they did that only makes sense if you have an autistic mindset.

>>1970233
Yes but only a handful of times and come to think of it mostly in the last version. They aren't too special other than the wolf perk.

>>1970867
>>1970890
We can talk about WBC2. I really liked that one, it's only major downside was how speed was also tied to attack speed so some units like the nightmare had really high DPS when they shouldn't have. Also WBC2 had hands down the best campaign. Conquering the world was super fun. I like that the protectors brought that back as a campaign option but goddamn whoever designed the levels made them ultra hard and balanced towards level 100+ cheat heroes.

>>1970908
The limited classes based on race was a bit of a hindrance even though they tried to make it so that it was thematically appropriate. Unmodded WBC3 was best of them all as far as how classes worked in my opinion.


Also new patch when?

>>1970867
>>1970890
>>1974803

I do also prefer WB2, it's the best looking one imo, in terms of UI and artwork. It also has the best soundtrack and the conquest mode is a fun idea. There is something about WB3's art direction I cannot stand.

>>1974961
They wanted to go for a less cartoony and more mature fantasy aesthetic but it doesn't mesh well with all the assets they reused from the second game so it causes a visual clash.

>download The Protectors from moddb
>corrupted
What now?

>>1975542
>They wanted to go for a less cartoony and more mature fantasy aesthetic
then they should've made a different game under a different name.

>>1976406
Anon. The creators have basically abandoned strategy games at this point and gone all in on "gems of war" because there's a lot more money to be made doing freemium simple games with a pay to win gimmick.

>>1976329
Corrupted how? Not to be that guy but it works on my machine. The only thing I noticed as I installed it were two warning messages about missing dll files or something but you can download those to fix the error.

What's your os and so forth?

>>1976922
Pretty sure they are just dead actually

>>1949737
I'm not opposed to AI graphics, hell I'm a slop peddler myself, but if you're going to use it for something other than just your own entertainment you should always triple-check your work and manually touch it up where necessary so you don't end up with trash like this.
>no sense of scale or perspective
>none of the units shown actually look like ingame units
>one foreground character's sword just morphs into another character's spear
>random scribbly blob on the flag
>everything in the background looks like ass
>inconsistent lettering on the logo (BattlecRy)
Using AI to generate a complex picture with lots of characters is difficult, so for fuck's sake put in the extra effort to make it not look like shit, especially if it's the first thing anyone's going to see when booting up your mod.

>>1984392
I tried that mod out and it had some good ideas but it was a bit much and the creator did what a lot of strategy modders do which was change the meta to favor turtling way too much. Giving buildings absurd amounts of health.

Oh damn Warlords Battlecry, I used to love this game as a kid.
>>1783901
>How to quickly level up?
This thread is a year old but I'll pass on my secret tech to anyone passing through. If you make a level 50 demo hero that usually gets deleted after one game, start a skirmish with him, fill every item slot with an item, get your hero killed, then win the map, they will be saved in your hero roster and you can just use them like normal. Easy if you go Undead or Empire to use the library to learn the first alchemy spell that creates items to fill out your slots.
Anyway a bunch of the portraits and voices in this game made me feel a certain kind of way as a growing boy, especially that incredibly slutty wood nymph and the sadistic dark elf female.

>>1986378
>This thread is a year old
Jesus it actually is.

I made this thread and that's my greatest achievment.

>>1989147
gj anon. Proud of you

I want to play the protectors mod but the current version with its game breaking bug with thievery makes me lose any desire to invest time in it. I wish it didn't take the development team 3 years to release each version. How hard would it really be to release a patch?

>>1989147
I think you're a pretty cool guy Anon.

>>1989147
Based, gotta get back into the game

>>1994979
Same. I need a break from Sup Com anyway.

amazing that they got Arnold Schwarzenegger to voice the barbarian hero

>>2001866
Amazing that they got my ex to voice the wraith.
And my former stepmother to voice the doom knight.
>I will CRUSH you!!

>>1989693
Good luck. It takes those chuckle fucks a year to release each version and chances are by the next version they will have introduced even more game breaking bugs with their "improvements"

Any estimate on the release of the next Protectors version/patch?

>>2008974
those chuckle fucks do it for free in their spare time you massive entitled faggot. Pay the fuck up if you want quality service

>>2015039
They also can't ever just fix the bugs they introduced with a patch instead of making even more massive changes to the meta each time. It's a valid criticism because for multiple years now they keep reinventing the wheel so there is never a stable version that people can enjoy. It's just half-baked mess after half-baked mess. If I could be assured that they would release a version that was purely bug fixes i could wait years for it. But that never happens, it's been over a decade of their tinkering and still they haven't settled on an armor system, a leveling system, type advantages, or even how the fuck boats are supposed to be relevant for an a.i. that can't hardly use them unless it's hard coded into the level.

They might do it for free but they've done a piss poor job of it

>>2015039
Based.

ARISE FROM THE EARTH

>>2019761
YOU CALLED?

Oh hey, they released an update

How is the new update faggots, do I hate it or love it?

>>1986571
Not a first Warlords thread to last long, I think it was so with one of the first Warlords threads on this board. But probably not THAT long.

>>2026261
Going to try it soon. Looked over the change log and it seemed promising since it was mainly bug fixes.

>>2026261
I've seen quite the shift in the undead section! With zombie/ghouls garrisoning tombstones to generate bodies and with zombies auto-collecting bodies it might make necromancy actually fun!

Though I will test it after I try out a goblin king run as an orc oracle, having to build only 1 building to get basic infantry, decent-ish infantry and RANGED SIEGE WHO ALSO SPAWNS INFANTRY it's actually pretty solid.
also viewing upgrades and base defense against flyers, how do goblin get away with this bullshit? They can even place mines now! Insane!

>>2027165
Pretty good from what i've seen. Lots of bug fixes, balancing, and some new additions like the wolf lair. I tried out the minotaurs and the new rage rework is quite good, giving a reason to spend rage and a way to generate it other than constant fighting. The new method where rage can be spent on experienced units is in my opinion much better than having combat+experience as a permanent passive based on rage level.

Now on the downside however my game crashed during a small skirmish so that wasn't too great, but also not unexpected since it happens semi frequently even in the base game. The shop glitch is still there were if you sell something then close out of the shop then go back and try to sell something else you will only get one gold no matter what but, hey whatever, it sounds like they are aware of this and still trying to fix it.

Overall this is one of the better versions they have released since they finally focused on fixing problems instead of adding brand new systems or reinventing the wheel. This is honestly what updates should look like mostly bug fixes with a few new things added.

Also honorable mention for appearing to have fixed mercenary prices so that certain factions can't spam them. The merc cost seems to be more in line with the actual value of units.

Played a game as a dark elf thief vs ranger high elf and a minotaur hero whose class is didn't catch. No crashes this time, continuing to enjoy the thievery skill bug being fixed.

One thing I noticed about the new tower damage upgrades is that some of them do carry through damage. The high elves towers in particular were very deadly and forced me to attack them at the farthest range with catapults.

Another impression I get is how much better the A.I. is compared to the base game especially since enemy heroes are no longer completely retarded and running towards certain death.

Another helpful new feature is that the fallback attitude is now a secondary attribute to the main attitude of units. Meaning you can have a unit set to guard, or scout, or aggressive that also has a fallback to base at 75% hp modifier.

This opens up a lot of options for keeping more fragile and expensive units like mages and cavalry alive longer.

Holy Fucking Hell Lads! They released another update! From 0.92a to 0.92b

They even put it out as a patch if you already have 0.92a installed. This is wonderful news.

>>1754258 (OP)
Happy birthday
We've somehow survived an entire year

I LIKE ORCS

>>2038991
t. high e*f

>>1758410
I mean I liked the minotaur dude

>Protectors Mod is literally free
>Stand alone doesn't require the base game
Why are more people not playing this?

>>2040337
Because the one on steam requires you to own Warlords Battlecry 3 and so most people will glance and bounce off not knowing about the free one.

>>2040570
Wait really?

Okay well I'm just going to throw this out there then that anyone who want to play the free version can go to the moddb dot com website and search "the protectors of etheria" and play the entire thing for free without needing steam or drm or any other nonsense.

This most recent version of the mod is by far the most stable with the fewest bugs. It's a super fun mod and anyone curious should at least give it a try since it's free.

Sure the graphics might be a bit dated for a strategy game but if you enjoy rts you'll find it has a certain charm to it and the rpg elements offer better customization that anything else like it.

It's like the prefect hybrid between diablo2 and command and conquer.

>>2041734
kinda preaching to the choir there bro

>>2048257
I mean yeah but hopefully more people pick it up since the more people playing it would mean we might get some better discussion. This thread is a ghost town anymore.

Death walks the land

I LIKE ORCS

>>2054618
uh i don't think warcraft orcs ever raped women, they think they look ugly compared to female orcs.
but yeah fuck wow

New Version Just dropped.

https://www.moddb.com/games/the-protectors

Even more bug fixes along with some balance changes. Truly it has been a blessed year that we have gotten 3 releases in less than 5 months

>>2056527
You sayin they're fixing shit rather than reworking reworks reworkingically?

How do I actually 'git gud' at Protecters?
I played both 2 and 3 before
2 was simple enough: undead, necromancer and just raise the skeletons and eventually rape things with liches and chaos knights/doom knights
3 I used mostly high elves since healing was fun and we never died

Protectors seems weird as fuck - it's like the campaigns want you to have a fucking full army at the start to stave off the first few attacks but at the same time have a full support hero to get your full economy going but also your economy is shit wit how bad mines are now

still annoyed how the fuck the resources are now split into specific uses. gold being the main thing for units is retarded as fuck

>>2056529
Yes it's a Christmas miracle that the wheel has finally been reinvented enough to make the game stable. I haven't had a crash to desktop since version 0.92b

It feels so fucking good to finally be able to enjoy the game without having to obsessively save at the beginning of every match.

>>2056538
It takes some getting used to because the protectors campaign was balanced around high level trainer characters. Best to stick to the old campaigns honestly.

As for the economy. Yeah they autistically wanted to simplify it across races which kind of missed the point about resource scarcity and different races having different mine priorities. But the shorthand version is.
Gold = all purchases
Metal = upgrades and advanced units
Stone = buildings and sometimes upgrades
Crystal = unit spellcasting and sometimes upgrades

And each mine captured contributes slightly to overall gold income. Put miners in your metal mines first, then stone mines, then crystal then gold. Or gold first if you are going for early man spam.

>>2056538
As far as getting good practice against low level ai and work your way up to duke or prince if you want a challenge. But any Ai beyond duke uses cheats to get more resources and so on.

Getting good comes down to managing unit production well and holding mines so you can build up your base and upgrades until you can doomstack the enemy.

Besides mines keep an eye out for temples and merc buildings if left im the enemies hands they can quickly screw you over.

Hmm what else. Enemy heroes are a high priority but because of how unit speed works they can be hard to catch and kill when they retreat. Try to break your units up into small groups using number key assignments. Select a group and ctrl + # to assign them to a group you can quickly select by pressing that same number key.

Once you have distinct groups learn to position them behind where the enemy hero might retreat so you can surround him and kill him when he's low on health.

Other helpful tips that you may or may not know.

With your hero selected press the r key to show your command radius (gold circle) and spell radius (blue circle)

In the mod general and advanced units are much stronger than basic units so give them build priority when able but be aware that they take more population cap than basic units.

Flying units have been massively needed so basic fliers are now only good for scouting and raiding undefended enemy mines. Some advanced flyers are okay for taking out archers but the real big guns are dragons which are now much more dangerous than they were in wbc3. Protectors dragons are more similar to wbc2 dragons in their strength. Once you get your eeries/nest to level 3 you should be making dragons ASAP.

Titans and level 5 upgrades and units should only be needed to finish off particularly well dug in enemies or campaign missions but otherwise you should be aiming to win by keep level 4 or 3 if you are rushing a lone enemy.

Worth noting that low tier units aren't as hopeless as they were in vanilla due to the combat rework. They can actually deal chip damage to stronger stuff.

>>2056568
If they swarm them and encircle them so they can't retreat. But there's also instances then high tier units can completely wipe out a ton of them relatively unscathed. But hordes of wasps against advanced flyers is a good example of cost effectiveness because of their assassination ability. Low tier units when assaulting an enemy base are mostly useful as screening troops and protecting siege weapons.

Speaking of which attacking bases defended by towers now fully demands bringing siege weapons or for the sides that lack them their equivalent unit which is strong vs. buildings like the Triceratops for the Ssrathi for example.

Which reminds me all towers now have a build option that lets you upgrade them to have a dual damage type which makes them much more effective against a wider variety of units and buildings in general tend to be tougher than in vanilla. Thankfully towers cost 2 population cap so the AI can't spam them like they could in vanilla without undermining how much of their own army they can field at a given time.

I made you, I will not let you end like this

>>2056570
I found low tier swarms are very effective bodyguards if you have a hero with high charisma (though the blob is a bit of awkward to move in caves or narrow forest corridors).

Sometimes though the enemy will bring out a mage unit with AOE spells that can wipe those blobs out so a few high tier units would still be necessary.

As for sieges, yeah towers are tough and the AI garrisons them so siege weapons or units with bonuses (or blunt damage?) are a must. Wood elves' tree guys have an ability that lets them put roots and gain a throwing rock attack with 16 range and extra damage to buildings which is great, you can also use them defensibly though I don't think they have a big splash damage (if they have one at all).

Wow didn't expect that fast replies, sorry anon

I suppose in WBC2 and 3 I was used to Orcs since they could do everything for units with resources, goblins (gold) Orcs (metal) trolls (stone) and shaman (crystal)
them all being gold now really seems weird

Are nceromancers+undead still the same sort of slow grind of 'build basic stroops, kil things, raise said skeletons, continue' since I liked that too

Never got the hang off slower races like Dwarves of the elves without having a summoner to summon quasits, tho. The lack of mine fillers seemed weird

I suppose a better question is: what races are utterly shit and to be avoided in Protectors against the AI

>>2059542
Indeed. Low tier swarms are great for surrounding retreating heroes and general units. They can be a pain if they block movement through a narrow passage but I've found that using the column formation can help with that somewhat.

The woodelves building destruction is workable the only side that really has a hard time with buildings until they can mob a bunch of spell casters is the Fey. Since they don't really have a dedicated seige unit or building demolisher.

>>2059929
Well if you are a fan of the Orcs I've got good news for you. So is the mod creator. He basically gave the orcs the best of everything and basically changed the meta to support them. That's why fliers suck now and why the orcs can repair their buildings. I could go on and I probably will in another post but as for what races are utterly shit.

I'm a dark elf fanboy and god damn did they get knocked down a peg. Assassination now gives a small fraction of gold back per kill (usually like 10 gold) while coincidentally the orcs with 3 salvage yards get something like 33 gold and metal on average for whatever then kill every time. Dark elves lost access to wisps too but this is supposedly offset by the tortured soul mechanic/upgrade that increases resource extraction for enemies killed. So meh kind of a bullshit lateral move. Since mana abilities are tied to crystal resource spell reliant races in general are nerfed so dark elf's, daemons, fey, and the undead aren't as strong. Coincidentally the orcs don't really have many mana abilities and most of their unit upgrades just straight up improve their units. For example the dark riders no longer do 3x damage to heroes but get an upgrade that temporarily for like 15 seconds gives them a damage bonus. Meanwhile Orc ogres get an upgrade that permanently makes them strong vs buildings. Kobold Snipers get an upgrade that changes their damage type to magic/piercing.

>>2060089
cont.

But as far as shit races go and despite my own bias towards dark elves. I'd say the worst race is by far The Swarm. The way they play now is very cumbersome with the ability to upgade the keep requiring garrisoning it with ants. And the various egg abilities requiring ants to collect corpses and deposit them at the queen building to get bonus unit production. But many of their units are priced way too high for how fragile they are. And the racial bonus they get from the sandstorm ability is more of a nuisance than a game changer.

But that aside I do have to give credit where credit is due. Many of the races have been improved and given extra flavor mechanics that make them fun, even the sub factions. I think the real issue is that in many ways they tried to make things equal for everyone but through the meta but in doing so they inadvertently made certain sides weaker via things like making unit costs more equal across races (something they've started to reverse in recent patches), making fliers weaker and all vulnerable to melee attackers, changing the economy and how unit population works (most units used to top out at 4, you had to build up your base and not just your keep to support more units), giving almost all sides access to siege weapons but at the same time nerfing the damage siege weapons do to regular units via splash damage, Then there was the brief period where they did the whole swordsmen vs spearmen vs cavalry vs archers rock,paper,scissors type hard counter system which has since been removed.

If I was to rank the various races overall for the protectors this is how I would do it.

Feel free to agree, disagree, or make suggestions

>>2060089
>dark elves
man it kind of sucks, in 8.9 they were almost bullshit OP from all the free resources they got, but with all the various economic and combat changes made they really got screwed hard

>>2065648
I agree I think they got over nerfed and what I really don't get is why spiders and spider queens are so expensive to the point I never build them.

Also the 3rd Subfaction that has upgrades that buff them when their army limit is below 33% capacity really needs some kind of a buff to make them worthwhile because as is they just play like a worse version of the vanilla faction.

I'd recommend the mod team raise the limit for activating the buffs to 50% and maybe give that subfaction back the flaming arrows upgrade because they kind of suck.

I don't know what it is about the balance decisions and their hatred of free resources either because most sides who got free resources got severely gimped in some way. Like wood elves magic wells no longer generate free gold. None of the elves get wisps and the badly needed crystal they generate. Barbarians don't get free stone from destroying buildings. Minotaurs don't get free metal for destroying buildings.

In the case of the wood elves they got economy upgrades at their mines and the tree status effect that makes them harder to convert back. The barbarians got the mill that workers could be sent to to increase output. And every faction got the trade upgrade which although helpful kind of degraded the race differences. The minotaurs have the new rage production mechanic which is a step in the right direction although minotaurs as a whole still move way too slow all around with speed levels almost equal to the dwarves.

It's also very curious that the Faction that never before got free resources before the mod (The Orcs) got the best free resource generator around the Salvage Pit which after you build 3 of them gives back something like 50% (might be less but its a lot regardless) of the resource worth of any unit they kill which is absolutely crazy. Compounded by the fact that most of their units are already low cost and low population limit they can basically steamroll every other faction just by fighting alone.

>>2066189
Anyway bitching aside. It's still the best version of the game around just from the sheer scale of content they added most of which works really well. And on the plus side the mod makers are still actively working on it so it's nice to see that it's constantly getting polished and made better.

I'm just waiting for the day they revisit the changes they made to the fliers and hopefully change some of them back. Namely letting them attack ground units instead of restricting the tier one fliers to for the most part only being able to attack other fliers and buildings.

Like I don't get it. They added boats which are even more of a niche unit that is simultaneously overpowered but useless for engaging anything other than other boats. But they had an issue with fliers to the point they made them borderline irrelevant to combat other than rushing to level 3 eeries and spamming dragons before the opponent can.

Look I get it. The phoenixes being able to convert buildings was a bit much. I agree with removing that. It gave the elf A.I. way too much ability to enforce map control. But holy hell did they really need to take away their ability to attack ground units? They didn't take away the Imps ability to attack ground units. Anyway Download the mod and give it a try if you haven't already.

The current patch 92.c has a problem with the spellbound when you open it and scroll over spells it will crash to desktop. The discord has a download for a fixed exe for it. Might be worth downloading if you don't want to wait for the next patch version.

new version released for the protectors on moddb

>>2074920
Shiieet they're crazy. Patching shit n shit.

Highlights of the new patch
>Finally fixed the shop glitch where merchants would only give 1 gold for an item
Thank fuck

>New complaints
Gave the Demon basic unit (hell hound) fast attack speed??? For some fucking reason??? You can now steamroll an enemy with them 1 v 1 without even needing to tech up beyond keep lvl 1.

WTF were they thinking? Demons is on of the last factions that needs a buff

>units that are already fast and beefy
>Summoning units from other units
>Souls making your units stronger and healing them and giving them mana
Once you get the trade upgrade with demons you can basically trade all your resources for crystal and summon your army over and over next to a portal and still use less resources than paying for them directly while benefiting from the summoning experience upgrades.

tl;dr hellhounds did not need fast attack speed

>>2076400
Guess it can't be helped in a mod like this. I wonder how many of the changes are based around the favorite faction of the lead dev or something. As in dude is putting "legit" cheats in his mod for his own amusement.

>never warlords 5
Warlords should've just stuck with the entirely custom experience of warlords 2, expanding more and more on individual elements and moving away from the autobattle system to create the ultimate generic TBS experience. They could've had their own niche in the market while keeping battlecry as their story spinoff series.

>>2076410
I couldn't get into the regular warlords series. I'm just too addicted to RTS

>>2076409
As much as I'd like to blame the head guy it's probably a combination of the other team members and the discord people making wild ass suggestions.

I'm just glad they stopped fucking with the meta as much as they were. Although I gotta say I actually miss the unit type advantage system. That actually had some good points to it. But more than that the complete removal of ALL unit type effectiveness traits on units was a misstep in my opinion. They seem stuck in this dilemma where they want to make everything "equal" but also unique which is a hard line to walk although they manage it by adding things like racial powers, subfactions, new mechanics, exclusive units and upgrades, etc.

But anyway I imagine they will eventually patch it back at some point. People are going to notice that hellhound spam can create rushes and if the balance team hates anything it's the ability to rush base destruction.

>>2076410
how and from where someone could find these pics in high res?
maybe I will finally know what each one is supposed to depict

>>2076631

The artist has a tumblr where he posted every pic from the game. Most of them were planned for a forgotten Warlords trading card game. I wonder why he never got hired by Wizards of the Coast during the 90s, his art has a very oldschool MTG vibe to it even if the game was kinda more inspired by Warhammer Fantasy?

https://alisterlockhart.tumblr.com/tagged/trading%20cards

>>2076410
True, while the RTS with permanent heroes was cool the TBS path they were going into (while kind of rough) had a lot of promise.

It's a shame the world got derailed by the awful civilization game series... maybe now that it's dead we can get something a little more decent?

Browsing the discord for the protectors mod reminded me of how god awful "Ideas Guys" are. Right up there with the Timmy Power Gamer types complaining that the game balance doesn't suit their level 200 characters.

But jesus christ with idea guys it's always
>what if {insert original idea donut steel} was a faction?
>Can you completely redesign {x} system, faction, etc
>Can you add this unit I made a pencil drawing of?
>What if the game was not an RTS but an anime romance simulator?

>>2079339
I'll admit I'd love to see some of the factions mentioned in lore for variants. There's an entire pirate faction that plunder powerful magical items from the east that would be kinda neat.

>>2081806
WBC2 had the max amount of factions I would put into any game and they were already struggling to make them good. They don't have to be perfectly balanced but they have to not suck to play and they have to be unique. Shit like that pirate faction would work better as mini campaigns with custom units, like a challenge mode. And that's what WBC is actually missing that no amount of modding is going to fix, it needs a powerful editor that allows for complex scenarios. Imagine something like an aoe2 editor for wbc. Maybe even add a separate editor for designing your own campaign maps in either a WBC2 or WBC3 style.

>>2082119
I don't know anon I think the protectors mod team made their editor pretty powerful. They even released a bunch of tutorials on it. But I think in the case of the game it's just pretty niche with a very small audience. The graphics are dated and most people just aren't into RTS games in general.

But back to point. Making custom units for the mod would itself not be too hard except I learned recently when browsing their discord that they have purposefully made the mod difficult to change the units for anyone but the actual mod team. Which sucks but supposedly it's to prevent multiplayer issues.

>>2076400
>hellhounds did not need fast attack speed
It's not just hellhounds its all the dog units
Hellhounds, Wolves, wardogs. They all got the attack speed boost which is a bit odd. Because usually the fast attack speed trait is reserved for fey units which honestly do need it because they are so fragile and low damage that it's the only way to make them competitive with regular units. But the various dog units have fairly good HP so the attack speed boost pushes a lot of them beyond being comparable to other basic units.

Embrace the night

>>2079339
I love that image. It's a very fun kind of stupid.

>>2056424
Dunno about rape but Garrona must have come from somewhere, even if she is older than the orc invasion.

One more drop of Venom

My dark duty is clear