Recently bought this on Gog having not played it since its release.

At the time I thought it was ok but was surprised how much I enjoyed playing it after all these years. Graphics aren't bad, gameplay is fun and the single player is neat and it captures the Warhammer Fantasy feel well. Also doesn't take forever to install unlike TWW3.

Any other MOC fans around?

dunno what moc is but warhammer is inspired better than tolkien
that there is no geheimnisnacht for ckiii lends creedence to the ck2>3 theorum

>>2020480
MOC is the acronym for the game, mark of chaos.

>>2020470 (OP)
All I know is that this had a great trailer at the time. Maybe I'll try out in the weekend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNFGJQIW5ZM

Also remember Warhammer Fantasy is shit after Storm of Chaos as a setting.

>>2020697
>Storm of Chaos

Do you mean End Times? Because TOW brought it back.

Yeah the trailer was spectacular and still holds up today. Its a fun playthrough for a weekend in the campaign. I'd suggest to play on Hard for more of a challenge.

>>2020860
No, Storm of Chaos was the beginning of the downward trend in fantasy. Valten getting btfo by Archaeon only to have lulz random Grimgor show up and whoop his ass spit on the actual results of the campaign and was what got the shit rolling downhill.

>>2020697
Basically >>2020877 this. Although IMO the aftermath of the SoC was still fun as a setting to be explored like in these 2000s game and 2nd Ed. Tabletop RPG.

BTW if any new anons are confused, Warhammer Fantasy have fuckton of alternate timelines between media, because the Age of Sigmar and after the End Times were that much of a shit show lore-wise.
>https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Alternate_timelines#Guardians_of_the_Forest

This game was really mid

>>2020910
Mid is the new average or meh?

On surface level and at the time, perhaps. Not saying its suddenly amazing but I like the smaller mechanics.

Spread formation to reduce ranged damage, the unit upgrade system, customisation and the single player campaigns.

The Witch elves were sexy too

>>2020470 (OP)
I liked it, played it on PC which couldn't run the final battle for empire and chaos without crashing but as most said it was pretty meh.

The real shit is that they ported it to xbox 360 and you can never have enough strategy on a console.

>>2020470 (OP)
>neat thread
>neat game
>op ain't a fag for once
>bunch of mongoloids larping unrelated crap
I'm sorry dude. Hope you have fun with it.

>Graphics aren't bad
Hell, it beat most TW games on unit variety alone. I think it's contemporary was Empire and compared to that this had semi randomized soldiers in the same squad and a shitload more faces or such than them.
Give a go with the whole XIII Century series and especially the last crusade themed one or King Arthur the roleplaying wargame if you still have the itch after you're done.

>>2020470 (OP)
The Duel mechanic was both stupid and amazing all at the same time.

>>2020470 (OP)
I used to visit my childhood friend a lot and this is one of the games we both have good memories about. This was our introduction to not only WFB but Warhammer as a whole. We loved it so much that he eventually gave me his copy years later. My personal experience playing was getting stuck and giving up, but recently I got the GoG version and decided to give it another go.
Now I don't know if its the framerate, or just the fact that no one bothered to make patches for it or because I'm playing it on Wind 10, but the units move weirdly in my experience. They don't like to hold formation for instance, I have to tard wrangle them to take up positions I wanted them to keep. Holding down right click also seems to be a bit broken for me. I took a little break from playing so I don't remember the exact details, but I know its a bit frustrating at times.
Another thing that suprised me was the difficulty, but mostly because my friend would always use cheats like a COWARD. Your units can be easily fucked over if you are not careful, but luckily the game throws enough gold at you to get recruits/replacements with plenty to be spared on upgrades. I also wanna say is that I really like how faithful it is to the og wargame, like the fact that you don't have individual soldiers in your regiments but "models"
Overall I agree with you. For the time, it didn't really look that much of a banger with the exception of the graphics and aesthetics (it came out in the same year as Rise of Legends, Empire at War, CoH1, Dark Crusade and Medieval 2 after all), but now I will gladly take three MoC over a dozen modern games.
Sure, it didn't have the scale of Total War, the complexity of other games, and the duel mechanic, while neat is just clicking a few abilities every once in a while, but it makes up for it with its excellent sound design, voice acting, visuals and gameplay thats simple but interesting enough for me to say that people should be talking about this game a bit more.

While the animations were lackluster, the combat and duelling system lacked weight, I still loved it and played my pirated copy at least a dozen times.

>>2020470 (OP)
It has sexy goth dark elves, so it's good.

>>2021008
>witch elves
I am more of a sorceresses guy...

>>2020470 (OP)
I've played Dark Omen through multiple times but never got around to this. Can you get it in Steam?

>Gets reminded of this game in thread; decides to use weekend to check it out
>Buys GOG gold edition for around 3 bucks
>Try to run on Windows 10; doesn't work - maybe GOG screwed up compatibility?
>Try to run on Windows 7; doesn't work - maybe low specs... but it's like 20 years old almost...
>Look at sysreq; gets curious at a specifics of the GPU
>Looks at original sysreq from 2007; "cannot run on integrated graphics"
>Find a 15 year old 1gb gpu in e-spare stash. Rebuild a shit desktop with 4GB and Windows 7.
>Finally play...next weekend!
For anyone who has the same problem, because they're used to most /vst/ games running on the shittiest laptops now a days.

>>2027275
You can get it on Gog for dirt cheap.

https://www.gog.com/en/game/warhammer_mark_of_chaos_gold_edition

>>2024358
Yeah I still play ot every now and then. The duelling and unit testing is fun as well. Exalted Khorne Lord is the best duellist assuming no items.

>>2026744
She was practically naked. Good taste

I remember being in middle school and a fan of Warhammer, I was absolutely DROOLING over this game, played the demo again and again.
Sadly the game was PEGI 18 or 16 and my mom was the only parent in the entire world to give a shit about that.
I bought it on Gog recently and played for like 1 hour before being bored and uninstalled and went back to hoi4.

>>2034255
Unfortunate. It's definitely a product of its time but I think it had enjoyable merits. Sometimes the ease of the campaign can be a bit of a drawl, though the Emoire campaign can be exceptionally draggy compared to the other two.

Think the Chaos Campaign was my favourite if onky because you see a Chaos champion from start to finish in his ascension.

pretty cool game, its more grimdark than tw warhammer 3 because some maps in that game look straight out of dota, specially if its the chinese maps, the campaign is its bread and butter but you can also have skirmish matches too

>>2034419
Its also one of the rare few that let you CHOOSE your fucking god of choice. Sure its only Khorne or Nurgle but that is still more then nearly every 40k or Fantasy game.

>>2034487
Glad you are enjoying. I am so used to playing Killing Fields, I can't even identify the map you're on!

The environments are pretty neat. My only criticism really is the AI in siege in skirmish mode seems to get confused.

>>2034494
Yes it's pretty cool, as is the dialogue to make the choice. Years ago, when it first came out, I initially chose Nurgle as the dialogue gave a pretty good argument. But Thorgar looked so gross as Nurgle I shortly switched.

Also, something I only found out years later, each sub faction has unit bonuses.

For example, Khorne units all have 10% higher chance to hit a target which is insane. All the bonuses can be viewed top left in the book icon when making your army in skirmish mode.

It is at the bottom of the description.

>>2021008
>Mid is the new average or meh?
yeah mid is like, there's nothing to really criticise but there's no selling point either
usually used derogatorily, so closer to meh than average

>>2034734
I went Nurgle too but that's because the army looked amazing on the field and I wanted a Nurgle Caster.

>>2020470 (OP)
It looks better than TWW art-wise but the gameplay itself is kinda forgettable

>>2027283
>>Find a 15 year old 1gb gpu in e-spare stash. Rebuild a shit desktop with 4GB and Windows 7.

reminds me of that medieval total war wh mod, that was pretty neat

>>2035702
They used assets from Mark of Chaos I think
>>2020470 (OP)
Really cool army painter where you can customize which bits of armor show up in your units
Better art direction than Total War Warhammer
Good atmosphere
RTS campaign with persisting units which was ok for a single playthrough
Medieval 2 units are super responsive compared to units here
In general everything feels janky
Overall game is mediocre, but that's enough for a single playthrough

>>2034889
Can agree to that. The Nurgle Champion still looks grotesque to this day.

I think the biggest tragedy is the Chaos Lord model never saw the light of day.

>>2034945
Tragically for many, it is forgettable.

>>2035719
Long playthrough at least with 3 campaigns. Just wish Aurellion survived...

>>2020470 (OP)
I played the Empire campaign and it's ridiculous how powerful ranged units are. You already start with the best unit of the game, handgunners. They have infinite ammo, armor piercing shots and there's no friendly fire so they can shoot through your units with zero problems. All you have to do is set up a line of swordsmen in front of the gunners and let them shoot down everything. Then elves join you and their archers have 3x the range of gunners. Even on hard it was so easy. The last battle was just a gauntlet of everything ranged I could muster. No enemy even got close to the castle gates.

Chaos campaign is harder as axethrowers are your only ranged units available and they have short range. Much more tactical maneuvering is needed. I like that units are slowly introduced to you but then the Skaven join and all their units are available from the get go, and the first battle with them is a siege. I stopped there as I want to experiment with all units before progressing.

Anyway, I consider MOC a guilty pleasure. There are definitely better games out there but it's a fun game on it's own right.

Finally had time to play this after building the computer; just finished Empire Chapter 1. I was surprised. I thought this was after Storm of Chaos due to it being a 2006 game, but apparently it's set in Magnus the Pious' time (220 years before Karl Franz).

Bright WIzard-san that you save in the first mission is your MVP. His fireball wrecks every fucking unit before engaging. As this anon >>2036894 already stated attach that flaming-ginger onto handgunners and they'll kill off Chaos Spawns and Giants in seconds.
Huntsmen are also useful as a scout unit (sucks that they can't get upgrades or hero attachments). Swordsmen can tank hard especially with Stephan spamming shield ability. Halberdiers are kinda, meh, they're squishy, too slow to flank, and feel better to just use cavalry.

The duel mechanic feels poorly implemented so far, as in the heat of battle you just forget to do it and I don't really see the advantage of using it over a normal battleline plus ranged support. The siege gameplay feels unfinished and ignorable (I just equipped all units to have kegs; gonna test whether the dialogue changes if I use ladders).

I also missed 2000's Jeremy Soule music, and this really reminded me of Guild Wars.

>>2037055
>I just equipped all units to have kegs

No need for that, just use catapults to destroy a large enough section of the wall to march your army inside in formation

>>2037055
The Duel Mechanic is there for two reasons

1. You want to hold up a super dangerous hero for a period while smshing their army. You can do this by using the defensive tactics to reduce damage.

Or

2. You want to kill the hero quickly to devastate the enemy morale. This can be done with duelling abilities, especially tje Chaos one who can sometikes do 7 damage in 2 hits which is ludicrous.

The only real thing you need to watch out for is if the enemy dies their "super" duel move, where by you should use your silence or stun skill, which 99% of heroes have.

A mechanic mentioned in the book is, once morale reaches 50% or below, the accuracy of the unit begins to rapidly deteriorate.

>>2036894
Yeah, I found the Empire campaign the weakest of the three. However, since it is single player, you can afford to goof around a bit. I let the Chaos come to the castle and fought within the spirit of the scenario.

Gunther and the Hammerers were god tier holding the walls.

>Plays the campaign
>Sees that Jade wizards are great scout hero
>Wants to hotkey the unit for quick switching
>Ctrl+1 doesn't seem to do anything
>Looks at manual... and sees that group creation is ctrl+num
>Realize that this game from 2007 has no visual or audio feedback for group creation, even though it's like a essential mechanic once you army becomes huge.

>>2039124
To be fair, I don't recall any strategy game having a peompt when grouping units besides hitting the button yourself after clicking away.

Not even WC3 had that. On another note, unit testing is fun like in TOW3, though no fast forward option. Black Orcs are the finest example of power creep, the ultimate heavy infantry bar none and can even fight Chaos Knights reasonably.

>>2039124
>>Realize that this game from 2007 has no visual or audio feedback for group creation
Skill issue

>>2039755
>To be fair, I don't recall any strategy game having a peompt when grouping units besides hitting the button yourself after clicking away.
Red alert 2 (2000) and Aoe2 (2001 gold edition at least), had groups indicated by superscripts numbers on the unit. I remember Aoe2 also had like flags on top of the screen to click. I think Starcraft (1997) also had this but my memory is fuzzy with the remaster adding QoL shit...

Reminder that Dwarfs > Elgi

this orc campaing is kicking my ass, but it seems to be the hardest one and was added with the expansion, i find it incredible that the orcs were not in the vanilla game

>>2027283
lmao poorcuck

>>2043002
Yeah they ramped up the difficulty majorly in Battle March expansion.

That said, that mission you need to split your army, one holding west, one holding east. This is after you capture all the towers. Last 10 mins, withdraw towards the middle and you should be ok.

I warn you though later, in the duel with the High Elf mage, specialise Lileath a bit in duelling and be sure to give her potions. Remember banging my head over it after many failed attempts.

>>2043101
ok, i never put points in duel since i think its a waste but if there is a duel in the main quest then its unavoidable

>>2043101
Its weirdly linear with the difficulty. Empire is the easiest then Chaos then Dark Elves then O&G

Does anyone feel like this game was intended to be around 15~20k gold at most in terms of army size? I mean you could make huge ass army of cheap infantry in skirmish with 30k, but the default system feels shit to move around at that size and it seems the AI also get confused and gets kited easily.

Also skirmish in itself seems like an afterthought (especially with how reinforcement horns works), but I might need more plays to see a definitive answer.

>>2043382
Skirmish was added in later after fans complained. The initial solution was to go to multiplayer then select LAN and set ai. They listened to feedback in the end.

In terms of AI, it's ssrviceable, my only complaint is when they're the attacker, they scrunch up in a corner and hardly any climb the walls. This is even after you equip them right.

>>2043295
Empire was to help players get their head around mechanics. Chaos was once you have some understanding. DE and Orcs, you got your foundation, time to be tested.

For those of you who chose Khorne, keep in mind Bloodletters are your top tier elite infantry. They are immune to charge and have extra bonus on offense. Be sure to keep them alive.

Upgrade their armour ASAP and then their attack. They each have 3HP, equal to a Chaos Knight, and hit for 2 damage per attack.

However do not throw them in first. Instead, send in more expendable or regular infantry first to soak up fire, followed by the Bloodletters.

Be careful of casting your sorcerers damage spells near them as it will kill them if caught in the area.

>>2044836
Any tips for Skaven? When they show up you have the whole faction at your disposal and I'm unsure who to deploy, especially as the first mission they're introduced is a siege map

>>2045086
Sure. You want your Jezzails, Gutter Runners for ranged with the Stormvermin/Clanrats in front with the cannon trailing.

Be extremely careful once you breach the walls, Skaven infantry is appalling in attrition. Stormvermin at front, Engineer attached to ranged, then blast anyone before engaging.

Knights are present but you can get the jump on them if careful, try to kite them one segment at a time. I played the mission on hard and the contrast to Chaos, who have staying power, to Skaven who implode.

>>2020470 (OP)
I really liked this game these 15 years ago and I really wish TWW was closer to this than the slop they've made it. Game captured the atmosphere of the world and general mechanics of tabletop way better (though TWW generally did well capturing bullshit OP characteristics of factions from what I remember), and having persistent armies you have to invest to over the course of campaign whenever you get to visit townships. Fond memories.
Expansion is fucking bullshit though.

>>2045181
The expansion probably threw some players with the difficulty spike. The Assassin level, stopping the messengers and Aurellion missions are stand out ones for difficulty.

Quick tip for Chaos fans: Once you have obtained the Spawn in your campaign, immediately sell them off to out more gold into replacing losses, more units or buying items.

Reminder to pick Khorne for the Chaos Campaign for universal 10% increase to hit on all units.

Is it an RTT? How do campaigns work?

>>2054751
Sometimes you can do an extra optional mission but the campaign in general is very linear

>>2054926
Is there some unit carryover between missions and veteranacy system?

>>2055114
Yes, your whole army carries over from battle to battle, including equipment and experience.

>>2055114
I would suggest playing all campaigns on hard to get a bit more out of it.

>>2055114
Heads up, upgrade straight to level 3 armour and weapons as the cost is cumulative.

got it installed via gog. the visuals are really nice, especially the terrain --- looks timeless, perfect atmosphere. but the gameplay and camera are bad

>>2058531
Camera you can use left ctrl to adjust the angles. Gameplay is certainly a product of its time though fun once one adjusts. Set the campaign on hard for max benefit.

Be sure not to throw Chaos Knights in alone. They cannot be healed by attaching your sorcerer and are expensive to replace.

While expensive, there is almost no unit who can withstand an assault from Chaos Knights.

Be sure to level up your Orc Warboss with both health and armour ASAP in the skill tree.

>>2020470 (OP)
I remember this game and looking back, the small skirmishes definitely felt better than total war warhammer.

The mission with the Orcs trapped by the cannons is a fucking nightmare on Hard!

Also binged the campaigns over this weekend on hard mode. More fun than I remember but also harder

Sexy dark elf waifus...

I need the Geheimnisnach mod for CK3.
There's not enough Warhammer strategy games.

Hope anyone who got this game due to this thread enjoyed it.

>>2020470 (OP)
Mark of Chaos is my guilty pleasure. Liked it so much I ordered the game novel (haven't read it yet but it's on my to-do list)

>>2080112
While a bit rudimentary compared to "bigger" games, it definitely has its charm. I like MoC for its simplicity. Not to mention trying units against units like some of the TWW3 players.

Black Orcs are too bloody strong in MoC.

>>2080112
That's a fun read honestly, just Thorgar's name is changed to Hroth.

>>2071214
Wish there was more

>>2086720
Me too, me too....

I wish each unit had a more unique element to it during the campaign. Would make them more personal.

>>2095565
What do you mean by more unique element?

>>2098500
Named champions like "Vargun's Swordsmen" or some such with unique banners. They're generic. Like Shadow of the Horned Rat