Thread 2028952

I've always wondered why there weren't more games made in the style of Majesty. I saw some indie developers making some Majesty-like games, but they're all clones of fucking Majesty 2.

Why? Majesty 2 wasn't some big mainstream success. It's an obscure Paradox title that's controversial at best.

Anyway, thoughts on this old game, why there aren't more games like it and why, against all odds and reason, the people making games like it are following Majesty 2?

I'm MELTiiIiinng...!

>>2029073
Leave my gold... alone

>>2028952 (OP)
I feel ya. Sometimes I boot up some of the games I played as a kid and wonder why no one tried to remake them or at least make something similar. Then I remember the few times they did and feel grateful how more of them didn't try.

>>2028952 (OP)
>they're all clones of fucking Majesty 2
Which games are these?

>>2028952 (OP)
I finally managed to beat all the missions last week. I got through Legendary Heros while 4chan was down, and the one with the towers last week after realising what I had to do to get the final push since the towers regrow if you take too long.

They just dont make sovl white hole games like this anymore.
There seems to be a bunch of recent attempts that recreating this game but none of them to be there yet imo

>>2029073
more GOLD your majesty!

>>2028952 (OP)
but there's plenty of games with paladykes, woke warrior queens and elven troons

>>2029195
Crown of Greed and Lessaria: Fantasy Kingdom Sim. I also found a game called Crownbound - Fantasy Kingdom Sim which appears to be in much, MUCH earlier development, but also seems to be following the Majesty 2 mold.

Kingdom Two Crowns plays nothing like Majesty, but I'd say the general vibe is similar. There's your kingdom, your castle, your serfs, your guards and the evil enemies. You basically play as the tax collector, spend gold to tell your people where to go, and they get themselves beat up all the time or waste precious time on not being where they're supposed to be.

Guys please I just want a game with a bunch of autonomous hero drones that wanna level up and RP their class while I build the supporting structures that facilitate their doing so while building towards some kind of endgame calamity like dragons and stuff in the span of 20-40 minutes. Maybe with coop multiplayer so we can team up to fight bigger dragons or demon lords or eldritch horrors or whatever.

>>2028952 (OP)
I have the soundtrack, always relaxing

COME TO PAPA

>>2030246
Find fellow autists and start making it. Modern industry can't be trusted with making a fantasy kingdom's sovereign simulator right. It will suck tremendously in at least one major aspect. Likely in about five.

>>2030420
NTA, but that's what I thought might have been happening when I saw the indie projects making Majesty-like games. What I can't wrap my head around is why the fuck they would be basing their games around Majesty fucking 2.

>>2030272
GUUUUUUUNNA GET YA!

>>2030544
Either they were introduced with that one and can't see it's worse than the original or they only care about cashing in on the nostalgia.

>>2030583
How popular was Majesty 2 anyway? I know its reviews aren't good and everywhere you go people say its shit.

>>2030623
sold well enough to get several expansions but not well enough to get a sequel

>>2030623
I'd like a lot more if it ditched the wow inspired graphics.

>>2030648
The big problem was that it didn't know what made the original work and was trying too hard to be an RTS. The AI was much less independent and everything has to be done with bounty flags. They added a bunch of fiddly upgrades for units that might have been fun if this was an RTS where there was some strategic decision to be made about making more units or getting the upgrade, but I this style of game it just feels like you're getting nickel and dimed. You don't really have much in the way of wandering monsters anymore and it's been replaced with regular monster waves out of the spawners. Hero interactions have largely been gotten rid of. Unique hero AI, like with the rogue robbing lairs and corpses is gotten rid of and now the rogue is basically the melee DPS. So on and so forth.

>>2028952 (OP)
Want to play a fantasy kingdom sim. Should I play Majesty 1 or 2? Any other game recs?

>>2031983
Sorry but I only know deep dark fantasy kingdom sims.

>>2031983
M1 is 80% building infrastructure for your troops and planning, remaining 20% is micromanaging your spells and abilities to help your minions clear the map
M2 is 20% buiding your infrastructure and 80% micromanaging your troops because they are absolutely fucking braindead band of retards unable to achieve anything unless they've been shoved face first into exact place where the problem to solve is.

>>2032005
You forgot 40% cheesing the casino

>>2031546
You're not wrong but the godawful art design is what stuck with me and is first thing that comes to mind

>>2028952 (OP)
This game is amazing, how fucking hard is it to add Against the storm out of game mechanics for this style of game. Instant success.

>>2031983
I would recommend 1, 2 is a bit frustrating.

>>2032454
I don't even know. I don't know how people are getting screwed up on this.

>>2035625
Maybe by adding garbage like >>2032454

>>2031997
You just made me realize that the Majesty main theme doesn't have a right version yet

>>2032032
I only used casinos on Legendary Heroes

>>2035681
People added Against the Storm mechanics to Majesty?

>>2032454
>This game is amazing, how fucking hard is it to add Against the storm
Do you want some resource management/economy progression and tree on Majesty?

>>2030623
Majesty 2's negative reviews usually mention the game being unfairly difficult. When you play the game with an uncapped framerate/above 60fps, monsters spawn in much faster and it makes the missions a lot more of a challenge than they're supposed to be. I'm no expert at these games, I just played the game more or less like I did the first one and with the framerate capped, I had no major issues.

I was incredibly disappointed with this game when it came out since it was not what I would consider to be a "fantasy kingdom sim."

>>2041514
>Not multiplying time-based counters by delta-time
The Majesty series never stood a chance with this level of incompetence

>>2041527
It is like Swat 2, or Warband: someone got an interesting idea but poor execution, making the game look like a demo, and you keep waiting for something better to be released until you realize it won't happen and you are stuck with that barebones game. The conception of building an rpg town to support non-playable heroes gets its potential crushed with dumb generic RTS missions.

>>2041707
>comparing fucking Mount and Blade fucking Warband to Majesty
Get the fuck out, retard. Jesus Christ.

>>2041527
>>2041707
>I was incredibly disappointed with this game when it came out since it was not what I would consider to be a "fantasy kingdom sim."
How exactly is Majesty *not* a fantasy kingdom sim? I think there's room for improvement, but it accomplished its basic goal just fine.

>>2043449
>how is this shitty RTS game not a simulator?
Gee. I don't know.

>>2043457
>Don't even control your units
>RTS

>>2043979
That's what makes it shitty.
>it's just a RTS
>BUT
>you can't control your units!
Crusader Kings 2 is a better fantasy kingdom sim.

>>2043979
Damn it, bro, you are dumb.

>>2044029
>>2044076
It has more in common with Dungeon Keeper, city builders or even shit like Roller Coaster Tycoon than RTS.

Thinking of Majesty as RTS is where Majesty 2 fucked up.

>>2044181
Except Dungeon Keeper and RCT are good games. Majesty is shit.

>>2044226
Why did you come into this thread to shit on a 25 year old game that isn't getting any genuine sequels or continuations?

>>2044241
Because the big bold letters in the catalogue said "The Fantasy Kingdom Sim" and I remember how pissed off I was when I bought the piece of shit and it was nothing like what a "fantasy kingdom sim" should be. I made one post and apparently that fucking triggered a couple of you so bad you had to rush to the defense of a 25 year old game that isn't getting any genuine sequels or continuations for a good fucking reason. It was shit.

>>2044276
How the fuck is is not a fantasy kingdom sim?

You said it was a bad RTS, but didn't explain what you meant by that. You don't gather resources. You don't command soldiers. At least in the singleplayer, you don't destroy another dude's base. Where's the RTS? Is it because you recruit fighting men who fight things and destroy buildings? We're those the RTS features you didn't like? Did your idea of a "fantasy kingdom sim" not included heroes killing monsters and destroying lairs?

>>2044303
Because that's what it is. It's a RTS where you don't control your units. There is nothing going on about actually managing a fucking kingdom. I wanted to manage a kingdom, I got none of that. Songs of Syx is a better fantasy kingdom sim than fucking Majesty because Majesty isn't even really a fucking city builder.

Just because you're a retard who is offended someone doesn't like your favorite shitty game doesn't mean I'm wrong. Like whatever the fuck you want, you're just a retard who thinks clicking to set a bounty instead of right-clicking to attack totally makes this shitty game totally not a RTS.

>>2044181
DK is definitely an RTS. Majesty is ambiguous and I'd argue it is not. The strategy is limited to providing support, like logistics.

>>2044241
To get your replies. Welcome to 4chan, enjoy the shitty faggots farming "engagement".

>>2044308
There aren't any heroes or RPG mechanics in Songs of Syx. Nor are there roving monsters, dungeons, lairs, potions, magical items or really magic of any kind beyond the advanced religion mechanics (and its ambiguous if that's even magic). It's a city builder with a fantasy theme where you can go into Total War mode from time to time.

That's what you wanted? A city builder with a low fantasy theme? Majesty was attempting to be more of a high fantasy "RPG town".

>>2044341
I made one goddamn post saying I was disappointed because it is not a simulation game. You faggots are just as bad as /v/, goddamn.

>>2044346
a town isn't a kingdom

>>2044358
You're only managing one town in Songs of Syx too.

>>2044357
If you want to be treated seriously try to be less of a faggot in your criticism next time.

>>2044380
The only one still replying to this thread is you, dumbass.

>>2044357
My only problem is you claiming that it isn't a fantasy kingdom sim.

>>2044395
nta but i agree it isn't since there is zero management related to sim games

stop bumping this terrible thread

>>2044405
>there has been an argument, the thread must die

>>2044416
There was no argument. He successfully deceived us into thinking he's genuine for a few more posts. At least now he can be safely dismissed once he adds shitting up Majesty threads to his routine. There are a few "trolls" parasitising on the smaller boards and they are easy to notice usually.

>>2044405
Is there a strict definition of what constitutes a "sim game."

A classic simulator was very detailed and realistic, but that's because it was attempting to simulate something real to the best of its ability. A flight sim tries to the best degree possible to be just like flying a real airplane, for instance. But, of course, there are no real fantasy kingdoms, and so no standard of detail or realism that needs to be upheld.

Or is what you're getting at that it needed to be more like SimCity specifically because it had "Sim" in the title?

>>2035692
Legendary Heroes is one of those maps that I wonder if they even tested. It would have actually been a fun map if it wasn't for the stupid time limit. The only thing the time limit does is force you to cheese.

>>2029694
>Crown of Greed
Haven't been keeping up with it but I was told it's like a Majesty 1 remake. I see a demo came out, what it's like?

>>2051334
its remake of Majesty 2, its fine, better than 2 I guess in some parts

>>2051334
It feels more like Majesty 2. It's better than Majesty 2, but it is clearly designed around 2. I honestly don't understand it. Why 2?

I saw the review for stellar outpost commander, has anyone tried it? Some were saying it feels like majesty.

>>2055057
I tried it. It IS a good deal like Majesty. Kinda buggy and badly balanced, though.

>>2055057
never head of this one, seems like a cool idea

>>2057290
It was pretty neat.