Is it good?

it is good yes, thanks for asking

It's good but it's not fun

It's fun but it's not good

It's not fun but it's good

It's decent

You can fuck your butler

>>2043347 (OP)
It's pretty good, quite good, just good.
Not bad, not mediocre, not perfect, not excellent
It's really good

>>2043347 (OP)
I'm approaching what I think is the end of the first year of my term and I'm getting sick and tired of Gus Manger. He seems like he's scheming up some bullshit all the time with real estate while the economy is fucked. I wish I could investigate him and Petyr with my anti corruption task force. Are they secret oligarchs or something?

out of all video games, Suzerain is certainly one of them

I hate the way Rizia just ends. It's especially weird considering that you are still making decisions like 2 screens before the credits. I want to know more about how shit played out - is my daughter happy? Did Rumburg win their war with the Sords?
It's a bit of a problem during the actual game, too. Out of fucking nowhere we're having the worst protests Rizia has ever seen, then I hit Continue and it's over. The revolutionary leader was assassinated, Golden guard put down the protesters, nothing else to say about it. Feels extremely anticlimactic.

>>2043392
Gus is just a helpful guy who's more concerned with his side ventures than governing. There's nothing underhanded about him and none of his deals count towards your corruption meter , and if you want to investigate members of the government, including the old guard , the reformers , the oligarchs , so on, you'll get the option if you increase the DoJ equivalent's budget .

>>2043402
The game really struggles with endings. The Sordland dialogue with the Queen when you beat Rumberg is cheesy fuck yeah jump out of your chair and pump the air-tier, but the actual, post-game endings kinda suck.

>suzerain thread
obligatory FUCK Lespia, may the drunkard drown in his own vomit

>>2043437
>fuck him out of full gas field ownership by cozying up with other GRACErs
>fuck him out of Pales control by getting them invited into GRACE
>fuck him out of gas by cutting him out of the Morella deal
>all he can do is seethe impotently because you didn't get into any wars
Feels good man.

>>2043392
>>2043405
Gus is your second Minister of Economics that moonlights as Minister of Agriculture. He just wants to make deals, and help Gruni.

So absolutely everyone fired or killed Peter, right?

>>2043458
the funny/great thing about suzerain is that lespia can either be living in paradise with ATO Sordland + conciliatory radical reformist Rizia or in absolute hell with non ATO Sordland + Rizia rightfully telling him to fuck off. in some scenarios they and cucknolia are the only two ATO friendly states in the whole region they are fucked big time
>>2043470
yes though I keep him when doing corrupt runs
ironically enough he's probably the best VP choice if you're struggling with reelection

>>2043347 (OP)
it's a glorified visual novel

I really hate my wife in this game.

>>2043503
She's very prone to WOMAN MOMENTs.

>>2043347 (OP)
It's a very OK visual novel, most of the entertainment is in low-brow "I got that reference" type stuff since the worldbuilding is a big mashup of various 20th century events. If you're a chud be aware the writers very much love 21st century girlboss characters

>>2043548
>can't become nationalist or fascist
Chud bro's... I don't feel so good...

>>2043555
you can be a nationalist but it's more in the vein of the universe's equivalent of Peronists

>>2043555
>>2043671
You can declare yourself dictator for life and execute all dissenters, what more do you want?

>>2043555
>>2043671
You can kill peron and join the fascist party as VP

>>2043503
Same
Wish you could simply have a different wife depending on your backstory

>>2043805
>Wish you could simply have a different wife
sometimes your wife is just retarded and there's nothing you can do about it, the game is about taking a bad situation and making it work, both in terms of the country and your marriage. when you're chud rayne it's implicitly clear that you just married her back when she was a HOT PIECE OF ASS and didn't pay attention to the woman words coming out of her woman mouth

>>2043392
Out of all the characters I think Gus is actually one that doesn't betray you.

What annoys me most about the way the marriage is handled in game is she can just divorce you even if you are a dictator and unless you are in an emergency run and haven't long knived Hawker then she gets custody of Deana. I am not necessarily saying an option to force her to remain with you ala Commodus in Gladiator should be added but seeming as you can give your best friend an acid bath something more forceful for Dictator Rayne is needed especially when it comes to custody over your daughter. Maybe something moderate like having her forcefully admitted into a psychiatric hospital and depriving her of visitation rights.

>>2043997
Gus is completely self interested but also loyal. If you don't scratch his back then he's basically dead weight in the administration but if you do then he'll make you one of the richest men in the country, regardless of whether you're a saint or an evil bastard who runs Sordland into the ground.

>>2044002
Sorry, the writers are feminist. That is not allowed.

>>2044062
>Sordland is horribly sexist
>One of the most important judges is female
>the leader of the most powerful party is female
>the deputy leader of the second most powerful party is female
>head of education is female
>head of the courts is female
>head of law and order is female
>women can go to school and university but have to do knitting
They really are their own worst enemy, trying to world build a nation entwined with oppression yet not being able to stop yourself writing girlbosses is truly a curse. Same issue with Paul Verhoeven's Starship Troopers
>portray a society with no bias between sexes and races where anyone, no matter their background, can rise up to a position of respect and power with authority figures taking responsibility for failures and being replaced meritocratically
>what do you mean the audience didn't get they were supposed to be Nazis?

Its meh, the coolest thing is definitaly the palesian war, just get 6 turns instead of 4 and a couple of tanks to breakthrou and you win, still the writing is kinda bad for some libtard feminist cunts and I hate how in sordland you cant know how the economy works, like why dont I get budget I hoped they would use real figures with the numbers in the billions but that damn budget is pissing me off

>>2044002
>kill the wife
>force your daughter to be an orphan and traumatised
>break the realtionship even further with your son
Not worth it desu

>>2044077
>sexism doesn't exist when girlboss
ok, lib

>>2043347 (OP)
this game was made by demsoc german turks?

>>2044099
I forgot about her Prime Minister Betty Disraeli and her loyal Field Marshal Garnetta Wolseley and ofcourse who could forget her heir Edwadina. Having one (1) woman in (inherited) power is not at all comparable to Sordland's situation.

>>2044210
>he thinks I was talking solely about Queen Victoria
Do you actually think women born into privilege being "socially conservative" is uncommon? Or do you think Maggy Thatcher was a feminist?

>>2044223
That's an even more interesting comparison. Maggie who is really a great example for feminists despite their distaste for her was ofcourse socially conservative as is her obvious stand in in-game which really shows why the devs should have reimagined the women's lib angle, Thatcher was alone and was content to do so yet Gloria Tory (lmao) is surrounded by powerful women which completely sinks the 'sexism is everywhere'. Thatcher herself being middle class and rising up to power makes her truthfully just a boss rather then girl boss, she was not born into privilege and earned her spot (personal opinions on her following rule aside). I suppose I would ask for clarification of your point as I think we are getting slightly side tracked which I admit is aligned with my interest in British political history, are you saying the message of feminism isn't diluted by having numerous powerful women already in government? Again, Thatcher was by herself so if the only woman was Gloria then I wouldn't be bringing up the disconnect.

>>2044245
>are you saying the message of feminism isn't diluted by having numerous powerful women already in government
It doesn't matter what percentage of people in power are women, if it means jackshit to the common woman, because rich people are immune from consequences and the rules they push onto others.

>>2044257
Meh, too an extent that is true but on a subject as clear as sexism that really does not hold too much weight. Were we talking about criminalisation of an activity or even restrictions on goods and services then sure but rich Iranian women are not in the government. You are right from the angle of rich and poor but almost every 'woe is me' for Sordish women is frankly applicable to the common Sordish man which again is a good point about class but really not for sex. Ultimately I doubt the devs really care and if the next dlc is Galmland with a female ruler then I'm sure we will be told how even in the communist nation (which we rule as a woman) there is a patriarchy. For the record I absolutely believe that can be explored well considering the historical contradictions of communist feminism but I do not believe the devs on, this subject, can explore it properly and not as just some copy paste standard antagonists in a girl power story.

>>2043347 (OP)
> Is it good?
no
> is it better than most of the shit out there?
yes

>>2043503
Same, wish I could cheat on her with my secretary.

>>2044077
The assembly in the game will also vote for the most radical shit imaginable instantly. So you cant even claim there are a bunch of male conservatives who want to oppress women in the government. This is also not unique to sordland as there seems to be several female leaders that got elected like morella. In rizia and rumburgs case they both have inheritance and outright appointment of women into high profile positions including war minister.

>>2044318
Going by how they have written the feminism stuff; Woman's rights seems to be entirely based on if a country enforces giving job quotas and free money to make up for "discrimination" and "unequal pay".

>>2043805
>depending on your backstory
This, so much this. Her taking issue with a young sord character which acts in line with his ideology is irritating. Not like the PC didn't make it obvious how he thought from the get go.
Alas >>2043540 is right, woman moments are her core personality.

>>2044562
>wanting to fuck the secretary

>>2044715
>he doesn't want to fuck her so hard she swears off her entire country in favor of your dick
Whatever you say, Pabel.

>>2044323
This.

>>2044710
>Her taking issue with a young sord character which acts in line with his ideology is irritating
she's perfectly happy with blud genocide as long as you're a feminist though

>>2044715
I know, I just don't see why that choice isn't there, especially since the game even tells you she has a big set of knockers and she's basically a sex spy anyway. Why wouldn't she attempt to fuck the president and be content only with Petr? Makes no sense, at the least the devs got Rizia right since you can fuck the shit out of Lucita.

>the only misogynistic country is ran by a homo-taliban
Stupid shit, and why is the rest of the world tolerant enough to allow this shit?

>>2044789
i think it's odd she cares so much about women's rights but she's willing to let bluds keep beating their wifes because muh different culture

I've been debating doing a super pro monarchy/GRACE rizia run and I wanted to ask what people thought would be the better outcome for rizia and rumburg in the base game. a war between rumburg and sordland/agnolia/wehlen that rumburg won, or a sordish reconciliation with rumburg where the sords cuck out?

>>2044991
Its meant to be her flaw for being white.

>>2045019
One where sordland is a total dick internationally, recognizes hejiland as agnolian so even valgsland denounces, then gets baited into invading rumburg themselves and totally fails. What rumburg can extract from those three countries would be pretty massive that would exceed the gains from two cities. Getting lespia involved would not do much besides further flavor future interactions.

>>2045051
>South Merkopans
>White
lmao

>>2045322
I can't control how the writers view race. Her feminist niche is obvious.

>>2043690
>>2043677
>>2043671
Chud bro's we are so back.

Wish I could just have executed Tusk and the other oligarch on the spot myself when he threatened me, but prison will do.

Also fuck bl*ds.
>>2043503
I told that bitch to get back in the kitchen, she told me she was going to divorce me. When I won the war, became a hero, and won the re-election, she was right there with me. Guess she changed her mind about that kitchen.

>>2045831
Sending the fat fucks directly to prison is an extremely satisfying moment. For all the game's faults, the writers do very well with the "getting one over on those fuckers you hate" bits.
Speaking of which - can you fuck over Smolak in a Rizian run? I've only done one playthrough and I was determined not to get into a war, so I ended up having to give him all manner of horseshit to get back Zille.

>>2046251
Try building up your military next time. The game doesn't exactly make it obvious but even if you don't plan on going to war, the better your power projection stat is the better deals you can get from other leaders.

>>2046260
Good to know. I was still able to accomplish all of my diplomatic goals (50% of the gas field, Pales in GRACE, successful civil war for monarchists in whatever that other country's called, Zille returned, Lespia cut out of gold trade) while selling all my surplus military equipment, but I would like to try a strongarm approach at some point.

>>2046342
no peaceful pales annexation?

>>2046585
Nah. I was always nice to my daughter, so she ended up marrying that useless douchebag who got deposed by the commie I had assassinated. At least she's happy...

>>2043347 (OP)
It's a so-so visual novel that bunch of /v/tards is trying to upsell as a strategy game, because it has basic-ass resource tracker (which is just the classic clues affecting your choices and outcomes down the line, but how could they know, it it was their first and last VN and CYOA).

You really need to ask yourself a simple question - do you want to larp as the president of Turkey circa 1960, with few names swapped to cover up the setting. If the answer is "no", then don't bother.

>>2046940
>do you want to larp as the president of Turkey circa 1960, with few names swapped to cover up the setting
yes

>>2046940
>do you want to larp as the president of Turkey circa 1960, with few names swapped to cover up the setting
Yeah.

>>2046940
>You really need to ask yourself a simple question - do you want to larp as the president of Turkey circa 1960, with few names swapped to cover up the setting
who the hell doesn't?

>>2044077
>>head of education is female
>>head of the courts is female
>>head of law and order is female
I don't care that they have female politicians , but it's absolutely bizarre that you're meant to be playing as the centre-right party and yet half of your cabinet and your wife are all fanatic feminists who are willing to throw away all of their principles for you to advance women's rights - they actually come up to you during the state of emergency events and say something along the lines of "the use of decrees to push through legislation without votes is totally wrong BUT you should use it to push our feminist bill because it's ok if I can use it"

>>2047920
Respect the hustle.

>>2047920
There are some other absurd interactions in the game heavily flavoured by the writer's political opinions, like Agnolia trying to put the squeeze on Sordland (their historical best ally and closest ethnic relatives) in trade negotiations while being actively threatened with war by the Nordic communists who totally mog them militarily... and the reason for it is that you're not democratic and open borders enough

>>2047920
> but it's absolutely bizarre that you're meant to be playing as the centre-right party and yet half of your cabinet and your wife are all fanatic feminists who are willing to throw away all of their principles for you to advance women's rights
Lmfaoo the devs are redpilled and know the true nature of W*men, its not like white women are fucking over the white race in each election for their own interests

>>2047926
Agnolia really has no business being an independent country. Agno-sords are already fully integrated into the country so they would be much more secure in a union. The only weird thing is how you have a newspaper article about how some young sords beat up an agno-sord for being foreign when there is the whole purple blood thing. You could dismiss it as just being retarded teenagers not understanding the ideology, but considering how gay the writers are its probably meant to show the "true" face of nationalism with kibener being misleading.

Fastest form of annexation is probably an alliance with valgsland, trade deal with agnolia, and a won war against rumburg. They become totally dependent on your food exports, they are cut off from all land and sea trade, and you have dome. There is physically no way to give any sort of aid to them in that situation. ATO's best bet would be to just make rumburg really unstable to distract valgsland which leaves agnolia with nothing.

>>2043347 (OP)
its not really a strategy game more like a visual novel

>>2046585
Conquering Pales was too kino for me to ever peacefully annex them again

>>2046940
1950. But otherwise yes.

>>2047926
Eh. I find it believable that van Hoorten is just written to be a retard. Obviously things have changed but you have to remember when the game released that all the ATO aligned guys were idiotic assholes and all the CSP guys were smart nice guys who gave you great deals for basically nothing in return. And then there's domestic politics where Richter and Albin are corrupt self interested assholes while Kibener is an affable idealist. Maybe there are a lot of new team members with different political views but I always got the impression the game was strongly anti-liberal rather than pro-liberal.

How does it make sense for a pay gab to exist when women rights are so strong that they can be frontline soldiers in Rizia? This edict shouldn't exist because it obviously would have been passed in Lyza's rule.

I'm not sure if turning Golcondism into the faggot religion was a misguided attempt to give Bluds a "good" trait or if the devs secretly hate faggots (and Bluds). Leftists accidentally making an even more sexist Islam is an amusing thought.

>>2048716
Does the Derdia dictator like you more if you kiss him on the lips like a fag?

>>2048776
I don't know, I'd never pick that option. I also didn't like Pablo becoming gay Monica if you befriend him.
>we're not friends anymore if you don't legalize faggotry
And he also helps Vina run away.

>>2047706
Non-roaches, for example

>>2048793
>Pablo
Yes, I'm retarded, I meant Pabel.

>>2048702
>they can be frontline soldiers in Rizia?
Really? Man, these writers...

>>2048836
I must admit it's an assumption and not really shown.
>you can comment on a woman being a little slow in a formation when you observe soldiers training
>newspapers and shit say serviceman and servicewomen
It's possible it's an auxiliary unit like the one Sordland has.

>>2048855
military women, and pretty much all military members in general, participate in drill formations regardless if they service on the frontlines or not in modern militaries
so it's a maybe if they do or just work as pencil pushers

Are the bluds supposed to be gypsies? I'm not European but it seems like they're supposed to occupy a role of being an unwanted minority that has no home to be deported to.

>>2049481
they're supposed to be kurds
>large minority group split across several countries without one for their own ethnic group
right down to the cultural conservatism monica talks about during the womens rights shit schizoed together with lefty political organizations representing them
plus wehlen is pretty obviously iraq with smolak as a saddamesque figure

>>2049487
Interesting, that makes more sense, thanks.

The dev team needs to stop doing pointless DLCs and put all the money and manpower into making the second term.

>>2049587
>The dev team should stop earning money and instead start working

>>2044083
>increased funding for ALL departments (yes, even education)
>didn't get the trade war
>got the high speed railway and future Japan synergy
>invested FULLY into Gasom because it it is a rightful SORDISH company and R*zzians can shove it up their ass
>got trade deals with Cucknolia, allied with Lespia, fuck Iraq, fuck Vaginasland
>got that sweet sweet capitalist ATO money
>got my boy Marcel to shove Nedel mining and a portion of SSC into Donald's ass
>sign every single bill my boy Kesaro brings to my desk because FUCK Bl*ds
>taxed the rich and kept taxes low for the poor and they couldn't do anything about it
>FUCK women
>FUCK children
>FUCK the workers
>Reform the Constitution because FUCK SOLL
>FUCK LILEAS and BEATRICE
>Grow the Sord Economy by 16 percent my boy Symon came in his pants when he told me
>Enter the Sordish Recovery Period
>Sign the Treaty of Rayne
>Have 2 excess GB by the end
>FOUR MORE YEARS FOUR MORE YEARS
Feels good to go wild on the budget and still win in the end. What deficit?

>>2049616
Yes.

>>2050190
Makes me less upset over you getting assfucked by corporations. You don't deserve any better.

>>2049587
No, they don't. That story is concluded and needs to be left alone. Any attempt at doing a second term would have to pick a single line of choices as canon, piss everyone off, and probably just ruin things.

>>2050169
I thought they'd patched it so you couldn't fund everything and not collapse the economy now?

>>2050273
Make the second term based on the choices you made in the first

>>2049587
it's impossible. the longer a game like this goes the more branching paths it'll have. do the next game isn't just twice as big but 4 or 8 times bigger and a tiny dev team can't make that much game. that's just the nature of this type of game

>>2050915
Bruh, do you have any idea how many things a player can choose in this game and the potential effects? The devs can't plan for all that without some kind of AI or something. All we're getting is a spy game and dlcs, that's it.

>>2050951
>>2051165
The game's already built in such a way that most choices you make don't impact most dialogue directly, instead putting you into a general category that has specific events tied to it. This is especially apparent in Rizia - have a lot of military power? You get the "strong military" lines of dialogue from other leaders. It doesn't matter if all of that military power is in basic infantry or a well-diversified modern strikeforces because the game is just checking your overall amount. Most events are like this. The system is designed to be built on top of.

>>2049587
Even if it were possible it wouldn't be good. Sordland's story is resolved by the time you finish your first term. If you got re-elected then the second term is just wish fulfilment where Rayne has practically unlimited political capital and is presiding over a Sordland stronger and richer than ever. You can't make that engaging. It's better for them to keep expanding the universe with new interesting stories, new problems for the player to solve, and more intermediate powers to turn into great powers.

>>2050404
Nope, even if my starting GB was just 7 instead of 8 and the GB gains were adjusted all over the place, all I really got after boosting the budget for everyone got was an angry article written by some faggot journalist about how """"irresponsible"""" I was
As long as your deficit is above -7 by the time you talk with Klara Ciara whatsherface about education reforms, you'll be good. Don't let the game bait you into spending for useless horseshit like stimulus checks or anti-riot gear and give Alphonso ALL the money you can give him
Deficits ain't shit

>>2050404
It's way harder now but still possible. You just need to make cuts elsewhere. Funding everything puts you down to -4 budget iirc which means you can pretty much only do the megaproject on top of that and can't do anything like stimulus checks or workers' rights unless you raise taxes too.

DLC ideas? I'd like to play as a puppet who can work towards cutting his strings. Perhaps even being able to choose between being ATO or CSP's bitch at the start.

someone really needs to tell the devs they need to spend less time making the game more punishing for ??? reasons and more time making new content. it's already assumed that your first run will fail and yet they keep making shit harder
>>2052477
Qinal and Galmland kinda fit your bill for the ATO and CSP respectively, personally I think Anraka would be an interesting choice too

>>2052477
>>2053126
some suggest far off countries but I want a reason to meet already established characters again
torpor clearly thought of this when they made connections in rizia ex. rumburg being led by your mother in law, even rayne's guest-appearance during the wedding

>>2053194
Qinal and Galmland would both work because they're close enough to Rizia/Sordland to allow interactions with established chahracters but far enough to introduce new countries and characters.
I think unless they're deliberately focusing on a new far off area mostly disconnected from eastern Merkopa they're by far the most likely candidates. it really just depends on which geopolitical situation they want to explore more a country already aligned with the CSP or one with the ATO - but each with an already established tension with said group allowing you to do what you wish

>>2053196
galmland is a popular theory but my problem would be there's few direct neighbours and the borders looks well defined.
maybe if they really fleshed out diplomacy within CSP with new interfaces and new mana etc. like can sell arms to funny guy, could show the ingame version of the soviet/sino-split. its nord theme so maybe you can also decide to go socialdemocrat, or try leaving the alliance without causing an invasion like czechoslovakia vs. warsaw pact, some lespian/ATO island bullshit too.
qinal seems to asianbased and remote to be interesting, maybe if torpor wanted to try and get more chinese players (like paradox with the new ck3 DLC). personally I wouldn't find it fun

>>2053220
Galmland supposedly has some disputed islands with Valgsland and is close enough you could both get interaction from places like Rizia, Lespia, Sordland etc. but also a bunch of interactions with Rika since it is a short jump from the one island to Rika. I imagine there's plenty you could do especially in relation both to Valgsland your former colonial overlord and the other newly independent Valgish colonies in Rika.
based on the codex I actually think Qinal are somewhat Mongol/Manchu based, and they're not that remote at all they're right on the other side of Morella. So like Galmland you'd not only get interaction with established places but could get interactions with Western Merkopa and Xina. not to mention their relationship with the ATO.
my guess is if they do multiple extra dlc they'd use both nations imo. they're primed for conflicts and branching player paths

>Next thread

>>2054829
If I go as Jorga do you think I can get the guy playing Romus to suck me off?

>>2043347 (OP)
It won't be until we can rizz the Morella woman and send Monica to the frontlines.

>>2054911
if i go as Petr, do you think i could coerce myself into some Secretary pussy?

>>2055775
>implying there will be a single woman there

>>2056389
>implying it's not in character for Petr to be deceived