Thread 2052553

Elf islam edition
>>2017421

>>2052553 (OP)
But we already did elves. Goddammit, I don't want to make a thread so I have to deal with it. But I want hot goblins.

What's the most human supremacist tag?

>>2052564
I will do it next time if i happen to bake

>>2052570
Command

>2 weeks without an anbennar general
what went wrong?

>>2052603
Your eyes were clouded by the gommo

>>2052553 (OP)
Cannorian religion group is so OP

>>2052595
Arena those Centaurs or some shit?

Man I've been missing out on those serpentspine orcs

I've done skewered drake and now masked butcher back to back and they mog even most dorf trees

>>2052627
Skewered drake is one the worst mission trees
>You conquered azka-sur? Great, now go conquer 50% of the world

>>2052629
kino

>>2052629
It's an orc tag nigger, what did you expect?

>>2052649
Shattered crown was nice. This shit just has no flavour or any logic to it and it doesn't even have outrageous buffs to go with outrageous claims. I expected something about enslaving and raping humans and elves but they're just karashar 2.0 where you're forced to demonsterize

>>2052621
they are spiritually human

>>2052678
>Spiritually
They're literally atheist commie subhumans who exist solely to be slaughtered with no remorse

>>2052691
I'm sorry they're not subhumans they're just animals

>>2052570
Castanor I guess

>Single war away from unifying Escann
>Can't declare because there's a giga-coalition being led by Shattered Crown, who somehow PU'd Grombar and is now Great Power #5
Damnit.

>>2052570
i like Gawed the most

>>2052570
and Empkeios. they are blue. but fuck it

>>2052564
Do any Goblin tags outside of the Serpentspine have content yet? I'm so fucking sick of playing in there.

>>2052758
And at last, he is back.

Time to raise an army of the dead.

>>2052780
The exodus goblins in Bulwar all have their mission trees and the formable also has one iirc
Deepwood were still WIP last I played months ago, only the not-fae one was done I think
Escann tribes have just a generic mission tree and a formable
I won't say anything about the other goblins

>>2052780
Bayvic has no mission tree but it can be taken over by goblin refugees who rename it to Bayvek

Here's your custom made, unique disaster bro:
>-10 stability
> pay 10000 gold
> every month 20 rebel regiments rise up
Enjoy

>>2052852
Literally and legitimately infinitely better than hoardcurse without meta knowledge

okay starting Gawed rn

>>2052570
Rosande, they prefer enslaving instead of purging though.

>>2052570
I don't know if it's the most, but as Elikhand, if you go down the purge route, you have a mission that requires you to remove EVERY SINGLE ORC from your country. You have to get rid of every single majority and minority orc pops.

I think this war is literally unwinnable for me now. I fully occupied them and they deleted their army so I can't get the war objective of Showing Supremacy anymore, but without that it doesn't seem you can win Rianvisa wars.

>>2052885
Ok they found the unconditional surrender button.

Hows gelkalis? One of the few tags I haven't played in Bulwar

>>2052886
Now the Disaster seems to just have stopped giving the random events that make progress, so I just get random revolts with no way of ending it.
Maybe that's part of it, but I just hate how everything in this happens at the games terms and the player can do nothing to resolve it, except waiting for random events to pop up or the ai to decide it's time to surrender after 5 years of being fully occupied with 0 army.

>>2052871
Wow I love waiting for 60 years for RNG

>>2052902
Wait, am I not supposed to get an event afte defeating Lithiel to decide what to do with her, that allows me to make her my ruler? Or did that get removed and I have to surrender to her?

>>2052906
man just dominate the hre and lorent as Gawed around the Sea and be faster in exploration as every other weakling nation

important question. Can i Form Gawed as Vertesk via Culture-Swap?

LOLyers

>>2052564
Baker here give me good gobo images

Why am I not getting a victory for the Wars of Unification? What's left? Corvuria is my vassal. Does that not count?

>>2053255
Arabaran owns one or two Escanni provinces.

>>2052564
>Clap! Snap! the black crack!
>Grip, grab! Pinch, nab!
>And down down to Goblin-town
>You go, my lad!

>Clash, crash! Crush, smash!
>Hammer and tongs! Knocker and gongs!
>Pound, pound, far underground!
>Ho, ho! my lad!

>Swish, smack! Whip crack!
>Batter and beat! Yammer and bleat!
>Work, work! Nor dare to shirk,
>While Goblins quaff, and Goblins laugh,
>Round and round far underground
>Below, my lad!

>Fifteen birds in five fir-trees,
>their feathers were fanned in a fiery breeze!
>But, funny little birds, they had no wings!
>O what shall we do with the funny little things?
>Roast 'em alive, or stew them in a pot;
>fry them, boil them and eat them hot?

>Burn, burn tree and fern!
>Shrivel and scorch! A fizzling torch
>To light the night for our delight,
>Ya hey!

>Bake and toast 'em, fry and roast ’em
>till beards blaze, and eyes glaze;
>till hair smells and skins crack,
>fat melts, and bones black
>in cinders lie
>beneath the sky!

>So dwarves shall die,
>and light the night for our delight,
>Ya hey!
>Ya-harri-hey!
>Ya hoy!

It is no exaggeration to say all evils are invented and perpetrated by goblins

>>2053434
Gnomes

>>2053434
>Now goblins are cruel, wicked, and bad-hearted. They make no beautiful things, but they make many clever ones. They can tunnel and mine as well as any but the most skilled dwarves, when they take the trouble, though they are usually untidy and dirty. Hammers, axes, swords, daggers, pickaxes, tongs, and also instruments of torture, they make very well, or get other people to make to their design, prisoners and slaves that have to work till they die for want of air and light. It is not unlikely that they invented some of the machines that have since troubled the world, especially the ingenious devices for killing large numbers of people at once, for wheels and engines and explosions always delighted them, and also not working with their own hands more than they could help; but in those days and those wild parts they had not advanced (as it is called) so far. They did not hate dwarves especially, no more than they hated everybody and everything, and particularly the orderly and prosperous; in some parts wicked dwarves had even made alliances with them. But they had a special grudge against Thorin’s people, because of the war which you have heard mentioned, but which does not come into this tale; and anyway goblins don’t care who they catch, as long as it is done smart and secret, and the prisoners are not able to defend themselves.

I saw that they're developing a version of this mod for CK3. Is it playable yet?

>>2053514
It'll be playable as soon as CK3 is playable.

>>2052553 (OP)
I have only played the jadd with this mod, any other cool nation you guys recommend?

Newfag here, is there any reason not to pick Adm + Diplo as my first idea groups?

>>2053582
If your tag has a shit military, sometimes you need an early mil group to not die. But if you're going to be taking lots of territory rapidly, that's always a good pick early to keep the core cost down and the AE low. I rarely pick an admin idea first though because I'm always so thirsty for admin points, but it's a smart early investment if you can plan around it.

>>2053582
It should depend on your initial strategy and what you have an excess of.
Espionage is a strong start if you begin anywhere AE matters. Innovative is strong if embracing institutions and tech might be a problem financially or pointswise and flows into the siege bonus policy on offensive. Admin can be awkward because to take full advantage of it you really ought not conquer until you get the CCR since points are really at a premium before you jump ahead of time on techs. If you're somewhere with shit provinces you don't get as much out of admin that early. Same with in the empire despite the provinces being higher development because AE really limits how quickly/much you can conquer.
Infrastructure is basically a must if you start as a dwarf remnant.
If you're playing a republic with plutocratic, espionage/pluto is very strong. You get a diplomat, ae reduction, siege and spy network bonuses, morale, rep tradition, and a policy for 20% manpower when they're all done.
And then merc ideas are actually not a meme depending on who you are.

>>2053514
the ck3 and vic3 ports are such a retarded idea and 90% of the dev effort will be spent on making 3D models for the different races (the same reason why the EU5 port won't be out until 2033)

>>2053518
I'm gonna guess you like blobby boys
>the command
>any escanni nation into castanor or black demesne
>venail into aelnar
>any sun elf into phoenix empire
>any dwarf into aul dwarov
>centaurs (you literally collapse if you don't keep conquering)
>roadwarrior, or ogres, or zokka on the gitlab (the anti wc, destroy the world)

>>2054067
azkare into sunrise empire is another fun wide campaign

>>2052570
Karashar

>>2052570
One of the White Reachmen
Cedevik if you want republic, Rivsby if you want monarchy

>>2054067
>>2054079
bianfang into dahui is also quite fun for haless

>>2052553 (OP)
Are the devs still focusing on ooga booga nations nobody is ever gonna play?

what if there were federal judges who could block anything you want to do

Genociding gnolls 100% morally correct, they want to slave you and eat the sun.

>>2054462
You will take a wife with a penile vagina and you will be happy.

>>2054462
just make them worship castellos
its orcs who should be genocided in all cases
griggers spent thousands of years non-stop trying to genocide dwarves with only a small break here and there to try genocide other races

>>2054528
It really is funny how they treat orcs as being oppressed when they literally lead a campaign of genocide, rape, slavery and murder throughout half the world.

>>2054598
That was Ducaniel's fault, the orcs themselves dindu nuffin

>>2054606
now that we've lost, i'm sorry for raping and genociding, my dad told me to do it

Going from Dwarves to Gnomes is like night and day
Why do the devs put so much effort into nerfing Dwarves when shit like this exists?
Also, I just played Orlghelovar and Nimmscodd, I'm feeling something mage flavored. Any recommendations?

>>2054704
Verkal Ozovar, lone hold in the far east, becomes a magocracy. You also get to vassalize half of Haless, it's extremely tall tag with the vassal swarm.
There's a magic kitsune country between Tianlou and Feiten. Its name escapes me, but it should be purple and have a fox on the flag. Your starting ruler is a reincarnating mage in a pact with kitsune, and you later form female monastic order that conquers all of Yanshen.

>>2054704
The devs are members of the gommo

>>2054708
Yinquan is the one you're thinking of, the dark purple one next to Zhongji.

>>2054704
Nimscodd has an ancient MT. All of west cannor needs a rework.

>>2054791
If nimscodd gets a rework I'd really like to see a tree split depending on whether you integrate or expel/purge the kobolds.

>>2052553 (OP)
>lizardfolk
Are they muh noble savage furry bait or the designated heel race as god intended?

>>2054893
They're literally ancient aliens that forgot how to get back to their home planet.

>>2054893
loosely based on warhammer fantasy's lizards

>>2054704
>>2054708
If you want to play dwarves but are sick of Serpentspine CBT disasters, Hammerhome is another good one, just give the Serpentspine to your free PU Khugdihr (if you go monarchy) as otherwise owning ANY land in the mountains means you get hoardcurse galore
Varamhar is a fun magic nation since your MT focuses on making your ruler immortal, if you succeed it's literally impossible for your ruler to get killed, you can't even kill him with console commands, you can lead troops into battle forever safely (it doesn't have to be the starting ruler, if you don't like him just do rite of conception with the mages)
Elikhand is fun if you give your starting ruler a nice funeral when he dies as he comes back later as an immortal benevolent mummy, he is a powerful mage too
Germadcurt, Esthil to Black Demesne, Aelnar, and Chaingrasper can all get lich rulers easy and their mission trees also focus on magic

Hey, I wanted to try this mod.

What's the best faction for "evil sorcerer" vibes?

>>2055174
>>2055166
Read the bottom sentence I wrote above, those guys and gals are all evil sorcerers

>stackwiping 30k command armies in the 1470s

Dorfs really are busted

Brave brothers to wyverheart is also good

>>2055263
teach me your ways

>>2055272
Abusing vassal/coring mechanics, fog of war AE mechanics, mil buffs + dwarovar claimer, trucebreaking, no cb wars

Real autistic shit

man Gawed was heavily fortified down there.

>>2054020
you can do all that shit with AI now

>>2054020
I really can not fathom why anyone would make 3d models when you could just make flat counters in 30 seconds

>>2055483
I know AI is a million times more efficient but trannies (the demographic making most paradox mods) are hysterically against AI
>it steals the work of artists
>just spend dozens of hours sculpting an Orc's BBC bro
>(doesn't apply to pdx games but to mods for other games) just hire voice actors instead of using AI voices bro

>>2055166
>>2055174
The Oni are also another fun evil mage nation

>Decide to try ogres
>There's references to religious reforms and "hunger" which as far as I can tell don't exist in the UI
???
They have MTs so I assume they function

>>2055523
Ogres with Hunger of the Gods as their religion use Aztec mechanics, I think they're in Leviathan or Origins.

>>2055529
I pirated all the DLC naturally and I don't play vanilla EU4 because it's dogshit, so that means nothing to me
What window is this hidden in?

>>2055530
It's a button in the lower right corner of the screen near the map, I think it has the sun with a face in it.

>>2055536
Oh, that makes sense as to why I didn't notice it as I associate that with the empire mechanic which I've never really engaged with. Thank you.

>>2055263
They definitely need to do something about the command, I assraped them back to back in 4 wars with in 20 years, pretty much completely wiping their army every time, annexing the jade mines and draining their cash in the last war, and they still were around completely fine.

Now 10 years later they finally triggered the mage rebellion which seems to actually get rid of them.

It's retarded when your ruler is referred to as a "they" in events (like a fucking hermaphrodite) - but in this event it randomly alternates "they" and "he".
>He could see so much greatness, yet didn't have a legacy of their own

>>2052553 (OP)
Are these knife ears a good starter nation?

What do you guys is the best dwarf religion?
Imo runefather worship mogs the other two not matter if you play tall or go for aul-dwarov, and it's not even close

>>2052553 (OP)
Basil has had a very rough life.

>>2055826
That has to be one of the ugliest flags in the game.
>>2056007
Ancestors if you're forming Aul-Dwarov. Pantheon if you haven't seen it and want to read the lore pop-ups. Runesharter if you want discipline bonus.

>>2055826
>>2055263
Dwosgraeg Blackbeard has to be my favourite character in the game, so many different playthroughs i've done with him, so many different tags i've formed.

>>2056077
Yeah his tag is just positioned really well, and him starting with strict doesn't hurt either

>>2052553 (OP)
What's the supposed way of playing as this shithole? I can't do anything for 100 years, my economy is in shambles and I get 30 rebels in every province and everyone coalitioned me after I took 8 provinces. The only idea that I have is to change my culture to dwarven and reform into steppe horde so I can get gold from verkal gulan but I doubt MT creators wanted me to do that so I have no idea what they thought at all since it's impossible to play the intended way

>>2056139
Forgot the picture

>>2056141
>no advisors
>over colonizing like a retard
>going into mass debt

>>2056142
>>no advisors
Why tf should I have advisors if I'm losing 11 per month
>>over colonizing like a retard
That's the only way of doing anything in dwarovar as any other country
>>going into mass debt
What other choice do I have you braindead cunt?

>>2056144
inflation and ur debt is ur entire deficit...
go dev some gold provinces, no? or you can't do that as orcs, i dnno

let a couple vassals colonize for you

>>2056147
Oh so you're a drooling retard who hasn't even played the nation

>>2056150
?
I only play goblins

Are you excited for Farranean, Frozenmaw, Vaengheim, Unguldavor MT's?

why does the discord keep talking about MDMA trannies?

>>2056160
Harpies are always fun, Frozenmaw needed more for a tag that "canonically" survives to the Vic3 start, don't really care about the Escanni orcs or Farranean though.

>watch anbennar AAR
>they literally read the AI generated lore text

by AAR i mean youtube playthrough

How do i get back into the game?
I waste like 15 min looking at the tags and than opening hoi4 mods

>>2055948
for the mod yes, for learning eu4 itself fuck no

>>2056141
teach me your ways, o nation ruiner

Any hard human starts with developed MTs?

Any advice on Varamhar? The start is obnoxious.

>>2056581
The two nations either side of Gawed can be pretty hard. Adshaw north of it and Vertesk south of it. I enjoyed Vertesk, but I haven't pulled off a surviving Adshaw start yet. Any of the bigger trees around Lorent are hard as well. The east side of the Dameshead, Esmaria and all that area is where the easier human starts are.

>>2056160
Are they doing anything interesting with those nations?
>>2056581
Great Ordning, although it should be less hard now

>>2056077
It's a good start
>>2056589
>I haven't pulled off a surviving Adshaw start yet.
Expand, expand, expand to deny Gawed more provinces. Do that mission to get and inherit two vassals asap. Help Crovis. Befriend Arbaran. I got really lucky with PU over them. Inflation is just a number and economy is a meme, but try not to go bankrupt.

>>2056581
dartax in bulwar

>>2056353
wait for EU5

>>2056353
You don't force it. If you want to play, you'll just play. I go like a year without playing it, and if I try in that time, I do the same thing. I look at tags, maybe start one, play for a few years and realise I'm not into it at all. But then when the urge hits, I play it nonstop for weeks.

>>2053584
>If your tag has a shit military, sometimes you need an early mil group to not die
Even in that situation it's almost always better to just get more mil tech than actually take a mil idea.

>>2056976
Depends on the tag. If you're near the institutions and already up to date in mil tech, it can help to have a mil idea first. If you're away from them, then yeah you'll probably be wanting mil tech and mana for deving.

>Jaddari has elven troops
>muh sun elf superiority minors all have humie troops
Is this a practical joke by the devs?

>>2056991
1. Most elven supremacists are humans since they were rescued by Jaher from gnollish slavery
2. Jaddari is an elven legion gone rogue in a desolated desert while other sun elven countries are actual states with cities that have predominantly human population

>>2055887
That's just bad loc, there's defines that let you call gender and I assume the dev was retarded and didn't write/replace the theys

How do people struggle with Adshaw?

>>2057000
Do they get unique models after forming their meme empire?

>>2056991
Why send out Surael's chosen to die in wars when you have ample human shitters?

>>2056991
>persia formed by turkish speaking court and turk military elite
>anatolian ottoman empire expands with persian speaking court and slavic military elite
i dont know, shit happens

>>2056991
I thought everyone but Elizna has elf military. And Jaddari integrate everyone.

>open game
>see mission target has a 9 shock 5 siege war wizard
>close game

>>2057194
literally none of them have elven military

>>2057214
Was it changed at some point? I could swear it wasn't a thing and Elizna switching to humans was something unique to them

>>2057213
Are these scripted stats or the AI just gets stacked rolls?
Also, how do I get war mage? Is it a randomly earned battlefield trait like the vanilla general personalities?

>>2057234
Have a powerful mage general or heir.
Have battle mage academy privilege.
Rare events, I think Sarhali elemental warrior is reasonably common.
I don't believe it can be earned through battle field experience.

Do sun elf shinto levels have any significant effect beyond their modifiers?

Anbennar made me realize we don't have nearly enough gnomekino games.

>>2057022
The average player is retarded

Please help
I took inno as giberd because I thought it'd be funny.
I'm decades ahead on tech, my innovativeness never drops below maximum, I don't have enough admin capacity to handle the points I'm dumping into development, my advisors are practically free, I hire 20 generals at a time to hand pick the best three.
I never considered how easy it is for a gnome to drown.

>>2053603
>Espionage is a strong start if you begin anywhere AE matters
Depends. In most situations Diplo is better for managing AE via improve relations because it's easier to stack, especially in Anbennar where you can cast Magical Feast, and the extra diplomats and relation slots help too. But if your nation already has AE reduction in their ideas then Espionage is better.
> Innovative is strong if embracing institutions and tech might be a problem financially or pointswise and flows into the siege bonus policy on offensive
There is literally never a reason to take innovative, you will save more mana with practically any other non-mil group.
> Admin can be awkward because to take full advantage of it you really ought not conquer until you get the CCR since points are really at a premium before you jump ahead of time on techs.
Sunk cost fallacy. Of course it's ideal to wait until you get the CCR to blob but even if you don't you're still expanding as efficiently as any other country, it's not like taking Admin somehow makes it worse.
> If you're somewhere with shit provinces you don't get as much out of admin that early. Same with in the empire despite the provinces being higher development because AE really limits how quickly/much you can conquer.
If you're planning on conquering more than like a thousand dev's worth of provinces then the CCR will pay for itself always, doesn't matter if each of those provinces is 5 dev or 15 dev. The only reason you wouldn't take Admin is if you're either playing tall or you're expanding via PUs and vassals instead in which case you want Influence.

>lizards exist
>robots exist (kind of)
>magic exists to bullshit things away
How hard would I need to squint to pretend lizards are the dinosaur empire

>>2057558
They're basically space aliens so yeah they're space dinosaurs.

What are the requirements to join the empire? I'm going to start a game as Landshark and I kinda want to join it because why not

>>2056589
>I haven't pulled off a surviving Adshaw start
It's not that hard. Just get a bunch of early alliances to stop Gawed from raping you, then take all the OPMs by hiring mercs before they unite their forces. Gawed might even ally you after that so you can use them against Frozenmaw before stabbing them in the back

What exactly are the greater benefits of maxing this bullshit?

>>2057626
Not sure but I did it and it was nothing special.

>>2057626
dev cost and war score cost against other religions, it's very easy to cheese 100 given that in the month you recruit the advisors the income is not properly counted, so the deficit part can be bypassed

>>2052553 (OP)
Just finished a Command run, what incredible kino. Really cool to see them get so evil with a redemption arc that you can essentially fine-tune to control exactly how good you become in the end. Exceedingly based, the only things I didn't really get were
>mechanics involving the kikun spreading hobgoblin culture
>how to deal with the rending of realms
The rending took place 10 years before I ended the run in 1660, and I killed the spirit hordes and restored the temples but the modifier for ruined temples persisted.

>>2057634
What did the province points need? I'm assuming same religion means kicking out the monsters, but what's the other one, just make a Bulwar blob?
>>2057635
I know, the issue is the subject and province ones. My vassals instantly get independence supported to 150+ liberty desire, so releasing them is pretty much the only option I can see.

>>2057626
Unless they've changed the bonus in the last year I wouldn't try and max it. Its slightly better than the 2nd best result but not worth the extra effort or time.

>>2057234
>>2057247
>it's a free decision BEFORE you make your powerful mage ruler a leader

Artificerychads>Magicniggers

Unequivocally evil.

>>2057641
It should mark the target provinces on your map when you hover over it.

>>2057641
>I know, the issue is the subject and province ones. My vassals instantly get independence supported to 150+ liberty desire, so releasing them is pretty much the only option I can see.
I paused the day the disaster started and did everything to minimize liberty desire. Having them in the 60-70 range seems to make them much less likely to seek supporters.

>start game
>hire advisor
>he dies before 1445

>>2057908
>Playing a nation large enough to afford advisors in 1444
Didn't play the game

Any new trees in the git version?

>>2057911
Azkare?

>>2057915
there's a couple lizards MTs now and I think 2 in east sarhal in the mengi lands, no idea how new they are though

>>2057961
the 3 mengi ones are okay, but I am very tired of them being stuffed full of arbitrary criteria because muh narrative (ie forcing you into certain estate privileges, allying certain countries, being super focused on certain rulers, etc.). only one of them are like "proper" mengi anyway and was probably the best tree imo
there's three lizard ones (apparently the lore is going to be that these three brothers led the revolt almost fully toppling the last lizard empire, but then they wind up potentially fighting each other) but they're still wip last I checked a couple weeks back

>>2058069
>I am very tired of them being stuffed full of arbitrary criteria because muh narrative (ie forcing you into certain estate privileges, allying certain countries, being super focused on certain rulers, etc.).
I tried playing Avrilibet or however it's spelled yesterday and feel much the same way, their opening missions are really difficult and annoying to achieve, shit like "have this estate at 35% over their loyalty equilibrium", "get +50 relations with these two tags that won't join your wars because they're too far away", and "have five infantry each in these two provinces when your economy is so shit it can't support it".

>1631
>Game has already slowed down to an absolute crawl even though i removed south sarhal, north haless, south aelantir and forbidden plains
What do I do? I want to finish this playthrough but it's impossible with this speed.

>>2058187
>What do I do?
Buy a CPU made in the past decade?

>>2058189
Man, mine is from just a few years ago.

>>2058187
But all campaigns are over when you become the top dog, in 1550

>>2058204
No way, I want to get through the Castanor questline as Entef the Tomb King.

>>2058193
I have a 3700x which was a low to mid-range chip over 5 years ago and I still run the game completely fine well into the lategame, and without disabling regions. Either your CPU is much worse than you think or you're doing something retarded in another window that's eating your CPU up.

>>2058187
Restart the game every couple hours. Even vanilla slows to a crawl for me if I play too long.

>give eborthil a go
>the sarhal part of their tree is still tbd.
Are they getting updated?

>>2058620
There's a handful of tags like that which were the first to get made but the project has changed so much that they've been left behind. They are usually pretty important lorewise as well.

>>2058187
Ongoing League War? It tends to kill the performance

How do you not get bulldozed by the command when playing anywhere in their vicinity?

>>2058692
They're super nerfed in the current version, barely stronger than vanilla ottomans. Literally just get a small tech advantage and you win.

>>2058738
They invaded me after like 20 years playtime with 70k in army, when I had just finished my initial MT as Azkare and was still behind in tech because of the mana costs in that tree. I could focus more on military tech, but there is no way to get ahead of them in that time, because they'll always be on the current level.

>decade of devastation fires
>before the options for lowering liberty desire appear all my rivals support my vassal independence

>>2058689
No, league war happened some time ago. I actually kinda regret siding with Castellos even though your mission tree really encourages you to because it means I can't become EoA as Dalcabba.

>>2057911
>didn't debtmaxx since the early game
One discpline/morale advisor is really worth it for the early snowball between mil tech 3 and 4.

>>2058620
Its in development now I think, as are their new less MP breaking ideas
>>2058666
>They are usually pretty important lorewise as well.
Well Eborthil isn't. It gets absolutely raped and conquered due to the Viki dev being a Busilar fag

>have to wait 6 techs for a manufactory before I can continue my mission tree as giberd
This is retarded

>>2058893
I'm retarded. You can just plonk down a mage tower. Doesn't have to be a production building.

The Obsidian Dwarves with their perfect 6 generals were really difficult. These guys are just a grind.

>play anyone around the divenhal sea
>inevitably drawn to conquer eborthil because trade arrows
I hate eu4

>>2058945
>hisost yamok
uh nice, they are the humans with gnoll military right?

>>2058948
I honestly don't know (reason I picked dwarves is because I don't know anything about any tags, just reading about them as I encounter them). Looks like it though. Also, the more I look at this map the more cool stuff I see. wtf is that swamp troll stuff?

>>2058950
they're shadow niggas ruled by hags and the big bad of that part of sarhal

>orcs won
>corintar remains

>>2058970
is this the blacked meme

>>2058970
Corintar is literally led by an orc so go figure

I think I've found the ugliest flag in the entire mod

>>2059140
What pride flag is that

>>2059140
"A little bit of this a little bit of that-" ahh flag

>>2058945
holy heck what a blob!!!

>>2059140
i think that's what they had in mind when they made it

goblin lovers... I just noticed there is a new(?) goblin tag in the serpentreach, Skin Burner clan in the east
they don't have a flag so not sure how WIP they are

>>2059140
Lore accurate blobbing

Are ruler stats also expanded beyond 6/6/6 max or just war wizard leader stats?

>>2059378
General stats are expanded beyond their vanilla cap for war wizards. Leader stats are still capped at 6/6/6. Powerful mages are longer lived if not immortal though so you can enjoy their high stats for longer.

Does going to war over the Samartal bullshit progress the investigation or merely postpones hitting negative cap on stability/prestige/legitimacy?

I have my utterly immortal God Emperor of all Mankind, the ascended sun elf in charge of the Phoenix Empire.
I'm going to use this as an excuse to learn blobbing mechanics
Current ideas are quantity, espionage, infrastructure, which should I take next?
Also I intend to have vassal dwarfs spread the word of the sun god because that's funny.

>>2059453
For blobbing i would recommned these idea groups:
>Admin ideas. Cheaper core creation and +20% governing capacity makes it basically a must for blobbers
>Diplo ideas. For cheaper provinces in peace deals, and more diplomats to improve relations and ease potential coalitions
>Humanist ideas. Not as important as the other two imo, but does make conquering easier with reduced separatism and heathen/heretic tolerance + rel. unity. Basically slows rebellions down.

Infrastructure is pretty fucking ass for a blobbing playthrough btw. Generally better for tall nations.
Also you are so large, quantity probably isn't very useful. Better mil ideas would be offensive or quality. That is assuming you have human mil. and not elven. If you have elven military, keep quantity.

>>2059453
>1562
>Doesn't even have Bulwar
>Dogshit ideas
>Blobbed into dwarovar for some reason
Is this a ragebait?

>>2059465
Thank for the advice
>>2059476
Have you considered I might actually be dogshit?
The annexed dorf land is because they were all too big to vassalize which is what I wanted.

>>2058970
>insert that one meme of the white girl on the couch who's about to get blacked

>>2059465
>If you have elven military, keep quantity.
Wouldn't minimizing combat losses by stacking quality bonuses on top of drill and your wizard god king's pips be better?
Your manpower recovery is going to be shit no matter what and attrition can be mitigated by paying attention to supply

>>2059552
You're right that quantity is overrated but quality is also shit, Offensive is the best because sieges are by far the biggest drainers of manpower. It's the only mil group you should take 99% of the time.

>>2059558
Quality is shit, yes, but might be worth taking here since you already have a bunch of discipline and drill bonuses just from using elves and your wizard god king has options to shorten sieges considerably that don't exist in the base game

>>2059552
True, but i bet a new or lazy player might not manage their manpower so well with an elven military+ shit terrain like desserts and mountiains, which is 90% of bulwar.

>start as cameraka
>by the time i settle down ameion had blobbed the entire southern continent
is this normal? how do you make this nation work? i really enjoyed playing their questline and roaming around the holy sites and the lore they presented. is there a good strategy for them?
also i'm new to the mod, what's the best nation for racism? i want to play as a chuddy elf or human, but the tiger raj with the vassal swarm seems cool too
alternatively, best nations for min-maxing troops? i see gawed has a lot of military focused ideas

Do I have to do the sit around and twiddle your thumbs for 2 to 4 years events with the ruler I want to make immortal?

Is it normal for your allies to bug out when the command declares you?

>>2059639
Also is it normal for their 2 star general to have 6 pips in everything and kill 14k of your troups for 3k, while outnumbered and at the same level of discipline?

>>2059645
Pips bruh. It's the same bullshit as early game ottomans.

>>2059572
Venail->Aelnar is the oldest chud nation. Command is a good option for that too.

>>2059481
>The annexed dorf land is because they were all too big to vassalize which is what I wanted.
You should start as Azkare since they have actual mission tree where they kick their dwarves into the serpentspine and get an unique march. That's the only acceptable way of blobbing into dwarovar

>>2059808
>Azkare
I mean azka-evran or whatever that light blue country is called

>>2059431
it does if you click the peace treaty option that progresses it

>>2057022
Personally I just hate it for how spy network size dependent it is.

>>2057022
bless you

>>2059816
It's just 30 and your king has a spy trait and you can get a spy advisor

>try sareyand
>get event to ask for my land back
>suddenly at war with a huge coalition of 100k+

>>2059822
Theres about 3 missions in the first 2 rows alone that require level 50 and others that require 30, you only have 2 diplomats and no level of increased spy web bonuses really alter the rng you could be discovered at the 1st of the month. I honestly hate any spy focused tree just for how your planning can be fucked over randomly at any moment and in the case of Adshaw that means pretty much game over.

>>2059888
>and in the case of Adshaw that means pretty much game over.
No it doesn't. OPM vassals don't make a noticeable difference and I had no problem doing any missions. It's 10th times better than any new convoluted mission tree where you must dev provinces, build 15 tech buildings and have 90 spy network

Does magic rulers +25% life expectancy even work? My ruler dies immediately after reaching 80. I reloaded over 10 times and she always dies at the same date

I'm playing Seghdihr and just got artificery, does anyone know if I will brick my MT if get rid of the mage estate entirely?

From what I've seen it should be fine, but the last third of the MT is still hidden

>>2059941
you're probably reloading from a point where the game has already rolled what's going to happen, I don't know the specifics but I think it's something like the start of the month
>>2059943
https://wiki.anbennar.org/Citrine_missions
here is the new wiki that is structured like the eu4 one and actually has gameplay stuff on it but doesn't show up in search results

Can your heir being kidnapped fuck up the guaranteed powerful mage trait from the conception spell?

>>2059552
>>2059481
>>2059476
>>2059465
>>2059453
I can get -54% idea cost pretty easily(with the divination spell among others), you get 280 back for abandoning an idea group, that should be 1288 monarch power to fill out a group again.
Should I swap any? Also I took admin for my 4th.

>>2060008
Of fucking course it can and does

What is the purpose of allowing you to put different amounts of resources into expeditions if there isn't really any choice involved (you get 100% supplies always, 8k troops on shorts or mediums otherwise 10k, max morale on medium or higher, 125 org on shorts +15 per level)?

Getting this shit was harder than doing a WC.

>>2060104
You are overspending

That's fucking gay
The MT I'm doing will change it to black damestear which I believe is worth half as much

I started savescumming for mithril and now I'm addicted to it. Are there hard limits on damage reduction?
Can you become immune to shock damage?

>>2060206
Probably 90%. How can you achieve it, I don't know

>>2060210
>How can you achieve it, I don't know
Every mithril province is -1 shock damage taken, a lot of artificery has -shock damage taken, war magic has -shock damage taken (IIRC max is 20% for that one)

Is having a large vassal a good way to sidestep hoardcursed?
>save up to trigger it with 10k current ducats
>end disaster, annex vassal

My best escannbowl so far. It's cringe that I have to wait for 1570 to form Castanor though

>>2060255
How would that work? Income from vassals isn't very good.
>>2060303
N

>>2060255
having a large vassal during hoardcurse basically guarantees them to be 100% disloyal for the entirety of it, that's why I never vassalize anyone when playing dorfs until after the hoardcurse is over

What's a fun vassal centric tag?

>>2052553 (OP)
Doing the 10th Skurkokli playthrough because it is the only fun this mod offers

>>2060351
Verkal Ozovar, you're an OPM that turns all of Haless into your vassal swarm with the power of brainwashing. You get a unique vassal type too

Regent court or Jadd (but zokka won and only the harpies follow it)? I'm Landshark.
Never played with Jadd and only once regent court

expansion ideas worth on venail? what ideas are good on it?
i almost never play colonisers so idk if the idea group is worth anything

Quarbit's sponsored stream of the new Anbennar update is about to start.
https://www.youtube.com/live/DsC1fk2n5Gs

>>2060506
New update drops July 5th.

>>2060506
Ooh new Verne tree. Never bothered playing them before.

>>2060506
New Wood Elf Escan Adventurer tag that eventually goes Infernal Court. Can also form the good half elf tag there that has a mission tree now. Apparently plays tall.

>>2060506
I can't watch this guy with that gay ass yaoi shit in the corner

More buttons

>harpy paladins
Who?
>roosts may be worthwhile
Neat

No elves
Don't care

>>2060529
>>harpy paladins
>Who?
Duwarkani, they're a dark green tag in Sarhal. They have human admin but harpy mil and are another tolerance tag like Stalbor. It's meant to be an interesting lore tag, you end up becoming Steward of the Sorrow and invading the Shadow Swamp.

>>2060470
yes they are worth it even in vanilla, but I play with the homebrew submod where expansion where they're massively buffed with things like CCR

>>2060534
>harpy mil
>these guys have fucking cavalry fire in their ideas
conquering all of sarhal as these guys the moment the update drops

>>2060537
They're MT is already in the game, their tree was added in the most recent Steam update.

>>2060393
Depends what region you're trying to conquer so you have to do as little converting as possible. I think Jadd as a religion gets conversion buffs and I know they get random events where provinces flip religion. Regent court has to deal with the Corinite reformation

>>2060534
Ah, the tag that talks to Beastbane

Stargate lizards

>>2060523
This

>>2060524
Probably the worst part. New MTs sound good though

>the jadd have missionary maintenance instead of missionary power
why

>>2060585
Same reason quality has 3 slots wasted on naval

Weren't they reworking magic like a year ago? Like "coming up next update for sure 100% we swears" type stuff? What happened to that?

>>2060543
I just want to focus on trade and get CoTs, but I'm guessing the overclan MT will give me claim all over Bulwar
I'm trying not to blob too much but I'll probably get carried away and end up with a pseudo Roman empire
and I think I'll just go with whatever event I get from demonsterizing for my religion, most of my land is going to be in trade companies anyway

>>2060506
I really don't want to watch this, is it just stuff that's already on the bitbucket or some secret new update?

>>2060651
I think Overclan claims are mostly limited to coast north of Brasan and a chunk of goblin-harpy hill, so the western third of Bulwar
>1510
Rather late to the Sunny Party. Khets and Irrilam might cause some issues
>>2060658
Bucket. Steam update should be a month from now, with new MTs, localisation and probably few other things

hi reti i bet youre lurking

>>2052553 (OP)
decided to give these guys a try and holy fucking shit

Does magical infamy decay over time?

>>2060669
So what fag

How am I supposed to get 60 military tradition for my MT when everyone just runs away or gets stackwiped?

>>2060749
i hope your contributed events are fun in the next version

Finished hoardcurse in just under 8 years, ended up taking one loan
Such a horribly designed disaster

>>2060823
Did you get your god-emperor yet?

>>2060758
Stack siege ability. You can easily rack up mt if you chain siege fast enough.

>>2060936
Also stack general cost reduction. Recruiting a general also add 10 military tradition for each one.

>need to get gem trading bonus
Damn still missing 2%

Is ditching Varamhari idea set for Phoenix Empire's worth it? The massive infantry bonus looks much better than the siege bonus when your immortal god-emperor can just nuke forts, but having a passive court mage sounds really nice

>>2060956
Aren't the ideas and MT a package deal? I've never hit anything but replace but I thought it asks you for both in one.

>>2060958
It's worded like that but you get the MT either way, same deal as base game Japan

>>2053161
What h-game

Moment of truth for me I think, a few months ago I was playing anbennar as haraff and my first initially successful run I did the civil war thing that lets you leave being tribal at the end of it, but then after I got cucked in that run by getting surround by too many powerful enemies and lack of access to water I started another run that for some reason the civil war didn't fire and I couldn't figure out why, I just finished the land integration and settling stuff so lets see it if fires soon this time

>>2060958
they're not, that option just lets you keep your old national ideas if the tag you're switching to has new ones, you get the missions regardless

>>2060982
Fucks sake I don't understand how this works it did it the first time, i've not been losing shit of fuck land to anything unlike the first time it didn't fire, i'm pretty sure i'm blocked off from doing it the traditional way too, but i'll try that again, let feudalism wash over me it is starting to creep its way over

>>2061002
Oh wait I think I figured it out, it'll just be a bit before I can confirm that

how often do you use magic spells? I feel like there's never really a proper chance to use any of them apart from ones that help in sieges or battles

>3/10/3/6
Fucking war wizards man
I got dragged into a war with Wex against my will

>>2061027
Estate magic?
If it's profitable to use the growth spell whenever it is off cooldown
If it is vital to have the diplomatic rep then the feast one
Ruler magic?
War magic whenever a non trivial war is on if that is an option
-all cost divination whenever I have saved up a lot of mana
Siege magic seems extremely wasteful, just not as wasteful as artillery barrage. Why does that cost mana again?

>>2061033
>Siege magic seems extremely wasteful, just not as wasteful as artillery barrage.
Vanilla barrage gives 3 siege progress for 50 mana, dragon transform can end what would be a year+ siege in weeks for 80
It saves you a ton by preventing attrition losses and just finishing wars faster

>>2061033
>Why does that cost mana again?
Paradox tried to balance mana types by giving mil more uses.
>>2061041
Yeah, proper use of siege magic can win you otherwise unwinnable/very expensive wars. I had a game when I won the League War by walking to a fort and pressing mind control button until the other side was fully occupied.

>>2061031
Total mage death.

I got so much mana and so many multipliers for cheap dev, I'm never seeing the governing cap ever again.

>>2061058
'Nomes?

>>2061061
Phoenix empire, but I got a 6/6/6 heir right at the start.

>manpower always at max
>number 1 gold medal for casualties in the ledger
I love goblins...

>>2060956
PE has admin efficiency which is single most important modifier in the game

>stack 7% attrition as dostanor without even trying
It's just fun watching enemy armies melt trying to take the first ring of forts. I hope this tag gets a mission tree, it's got a fun location

>>2061031
Even the fucking dorfs have war wizards
I hate magic

>>2061289
You can't go above 5% attrition without some special modifiers like the kobolds have.

>>2061256
I forgot group bonuses
>discipline and admin
Well, that settles it

>>2061031
Small mercy they only got buffed shock even though it made far more sense for them to have more fire pips.

Is 75 the hard limit to how long non magic human rulers can live in Anbennar? I want a ruler to survive to the end of a war for thematic reasons. But no matter how many times I reload, restart or whatever they still die on pretty much the same da.

Should I form black demense or castanor? They both seem awful and vassal focused

Also it's so cute that AI luciande genocides the elves and moves his capital to the lore accurate place

>>2061411
Black demesne is border gore: the nation,
I would recommend Castanor. Black demesne has cooler loc and lore, but god is the government mechanics pure aids.

Is that a naval wizard? Blackpowder rebellion when

>>2061305
>what are the defensive finisher and the fort gov't reform

What is the best dwarf tag?

>>2061568
Ovdal Tungr. dig deep, take 4 provinces max, control the worlds trade

lads
what's new and fun in the gitlab version compared to steam, aside from zokka

>come back to Anbennar after a few months
>Khatalashya MT out
>Konolkhatep MT out
>Zokka vore MT out
>like 20 new MTs out
>EoA rework out

whatever, time to play a heavily modded roleplay Jaddari game for the 5th time

inshsura'el

Can you get a colony out of supporting the expedition during Call of Aelantir?

>>2059888
>>2059911
OK I take it back the start is pretty fun once you get over the initial waiting around. Also 35% Inf combat ability is ridiculous.

>>2061677
that 'jak is missing his monster girl harem

how do i make myself pick a country outside the serpentspine

Are any of the Aelantir spawnables fun? I've tried Mykx and Plumstead a little but didn't get too far.

I just realised my deepwoods vassal has a mission to vassalize me for free, vassal relationship doesn't count as allied, right??

>>2061784
click the random button or start in the serpentspine and go on a wild migratory adventure outside

>>2061787
Some of the Trollsbay ones are OK if you download the colonial MT mod I liked turning Marlliande into Confederate vampires

It's frustating how most of the tags I like are Escanni adventurer but I despise their early game migratory tribes gameplay so much.

Why doesn't Anbennar have a dark elf equivalent

>>2061886
Elves are already assholes

>>2061894
OK but what if they were explicitly femdom assholes

>>2061895
Drow are for secret femboydom though

>>2061906
That sounds like an incredibly embarrassing secret a high ranking dark elf would hide fearing blackmail
I can see an event already
"Matriarch accused of engaging in maledom -20 legitimacy"
On a more serious topic you could have something like a religious heresy making an exodus into the serpentspine

>>2061886
There is a new wood elf tag in Escann that's meant to be an Infernal Court tag coming in the next update, does that count?

>>2061916
I dunno explicit matriarchy and subterranean dwelling seem pretty important details.
Are they at least coal black?

Ugh, why is there a timer on my phoenix conquests? I just wanna blob n chill...

>>2061886
Ducaniel is the closest you get to that
>Elven Yakub goes to the Serpentspine and creates Orcs

>>2061974
Anbennar is starting to get into TNO territory where the devs actively hate players just having fun

>>2061895
Aelnar and Germadcurt already have this

>>2061974
You don't have what it takes to play as elves

>>2062255
Elves aren't Surakel's chosen

>>2061886
Aelnar are Gemradcurt are your evil elf tags.

>>2062284
It's interesting there isn't a single underground elf tag. It makes sense with the lore and history of the world I suppose. They are from aelantir which doesn't seem to have an underground network at all. Although you could do one I think. Ducaniel somehow made it to the serpentspine and he was a powerful and important dude. It would make sense if he had followers that went with him. So maybe you could have a small elven community deep in the serpentspine strongly geared towards survival and self interest.

>>2062326
Bit of a planet of hats situation I suppose. They already added trolls and harimari to the serpentspine recently, I don't think we need a situation where every race has their token underground tag just for the sake of it, nor does Anbennar need to copy every single DnD trope. Like Warhammer's Dark Elves also don't live underground.

>>2062330
In fact Warhammer's Dark Elves also live in their setting's North America equivalent and also have their giant genocidal slave empire, if anything it looks like Aelnar and Gemradcurt might really just be Anbennar's version of them.

>>2061004
ok it seems it is just embracing feudalism that sets it off, I had my memories mixed up and thought it was the other way around but you can't do it the direct neighbour way, however I was just about ready to give up the run and just massivly debased my currency to rush the embracement to check it, shouldn't have done that

>>2062334
More importantly I still don't get why it never fired the second time, i'm so certain I embraced it

>>2062336
haha the rebels spawned in territory that others had conqured from me

>>2062337
stop blogposting faggot, least you could do is put your senseless ramblings into one post

>>2062330
I'm patiently waiting for darkscale kobolds to get a mission tree

>>2061974
Does it start after forming the empire or after starting one of the conquest missions?

>>2061851
But that's the most fun part of escann.

>>2061912
Kind of off-topic but I don't get how the CK porn mods manage to be so completely void of creativity that some faggots' brief discussion mogs them so hard, let alone bits of Anbennar's world building like the ogre vore cults or a bit of good harpy poon being the literal foundation of elf islam

Wasn't there an autonomous vassal subject type? I want big vassals

>>2062407
In diplomacy/influence country tab there should be an option to turn regular vassal into the autonomous one

>>2061851
same I despise the native mechanic (that the serpentspine does a million times better since migrating GIVES mana, there's no tribal land, and you get to do expeditions)

>>2062386
I'm pretty sure it's from a mission

>>2062386
>>2062430
Yeah it's from a mission, but nothing tells you there's a timer that starts ticking when you click it until you hover over the reward from the next mission. I don't like how some MTs in this mod have missions deep in that you need to plan for long term, like one time I had a mission that involved having to purge all Gnolls and only got there after I had already integrated them.

>>2062451
>integrating gn*lls
Deserved it

>>2062416
yeah for some reason the interaction is commented out on the gitlab build, not sure why but I'll just enable it again

oh the Overclan still doesn't have a MT
I'll make my own with console commands then

>>2061988
the micromanaging of shit like estate privileges, absolutism, crown estate % for missions is incredibly autistic and I hate it, 100% people too focused on the "narrative" than actual fun let alone player agency

>>2061974
You can. The benefit to completing the missions under the timer is weak.

what's the point of this thing

>>2063086
It's curved to hit your prostate.

>>2063086
Bionicle island full of Bionicle robots that will be added in like 2028

>>2063104
Why would anyone be modding EU4 in 2028

>>2063141
Why would anyone be modding Medieval 2 Total War or Battle for Middle Earth 2 in 2025?

>>2063144
Because there isn't a clearly superior successor as EU4 will have

>>2063147
Let's ignore the probability that it's not going to be very good/successful, at least at release. It looks different enough that the 2 games can exist side by side fine. EU4 will live on through mods like Mount and Blade Warband lived on through mods after Bannerlord came out. People are familiar with modding it and it has a big playerbase, so they will keep modding it.

>>2059572
>alternatively, best nations for min-maxing troops?
Ibevar into Blademarches into Cyranvar, Harpy Xia nation into One Xia, and full artificer late game Gnomes have the best militaries

>>2063279
What about fully drugged up goblin artificers?

>>2063141
Because EU5 is a paradox game and won't be playable until 5 years worth of paid DLCs?

>>2063149
EU4 is a shit game though and EU5 , even is garbage at launch , looks to be better than EU4 in just about every way
Plus troonbenar development will move onto EU5

>>2063342
>EU4 is a shit game though
>troonbenar
Why are you even in this thread? I've seen people hate one or the other here, but hating both and being here seems pointless.

>>2063279
>Ibevar
i just tried them for the first time
this reformation shit is cbt
who the fuck designed this

what does "somewhere" mean? i need this fucking diamond for a mission

>>2063789
Find it in an expedition

>>2063797
fuck, i have like 20 of them

>>2063803
Your own fault
>noooo I hate free stuff nooo stop giving me mana and money aaahhhhhhhhhhhh

>>2063839
yeah bc im always short on mana and need it for other shit

>>2063864
That makes me think you should do expeditions to get mana then

Who gets the lucky buff in Anbennar? I know Lorent and Gawed do, I guess the Command and Jadari too, who else?

>>2063980
Usual suspects, strong monsters and a few colonials. Here, with a cringy opening:
https://bitbucket.org/JayBean/anbennar-eu4-outdated-see-description/raw/201d7136ed968256812a667ccc15c4a79b180ff5/common/historial_lucky.txt

wtf is this design bro

>>2064074
>How many tranny flags can we fit in at once?

Why the shit do I need control of some random dwarf fortress that's one of the few provinces I don't actually get a claim on to build the phoenix palace?

>>2064079
Only one of those is trans. Clockwise it's Lesbian/Bi/Gay/Trans.

>>2064185
OK tranny

>>2064192
Problem?

am i supposed to be missing the middle row of this mission tree?

>>2064225
https://sites.google.com/view/anbennar-missions/missions/eordand/eordand
this is probably a "the mission tree expands later" situation, I haven't played eordand myself but the middle path looks like you invading the deepwoods

>>2064251
played for a few more decades, it just never popped up

>>2064386
Do your missions. It's not timed.

Played Covenblad. A little vanilla and way too blobbing focused since the start (the top part of the tree require you to conquer all of Escann) but getting free war mage no matter what is just nuts and I manage to do it before 1500. I like it because how straightforward it is compared to other newer trees and they neatly slot into either Castanor or Black Demense lorewise unlike Esthil.

>>2064833
>A little vanilla and way too blobbing focused since the start (the top part of the tree require you to conquer all of Escann)
You do that by 1500 as any nation anyway if you aren't a total noob

Sea Elves when?
actually wtf would a sea elf nation be like

>>2064996
that one pirate daimyo

>>2064996
Celmador is supposed to get content for them IIRC.

>>2064836
i am a total noob
how do i actually do that?

>>2065024
What direction is not touched by the sun?

>>2065020
Don't be afraid of straining your economy by taking shitload of loans. You will pay it back eventually after you blob.

>>2065059
nah but like
how do i actually conquer all the shit that quickly
most of the time even when i dec every orc i can reach as soon as i have the army free to fight them i can at most get 2-4 tribal land provinces and a 10-year truce, while the adventurers form their gay little federations and i'm outnumbered 3 to 1 and still can't even conquer anything most of the time anyway

>>2065056
Depths of the Serpentspine

>>2065070
Trucebreak. Escann is isolated in fog of wars for around 60 years so you can chain wars the orcs with no real threat of being coalitioned. Agressive Expansion is generated differently across culture and religion, which mean in simple term humans, elves, and dwarves don't give a shit if you trucebreak orcs and vice versa.

>>2065111
Oh, as a plus I forgot you also got +5% admin efficiency if you complete adventurer main tree which is huge and basically mean you can freely blob hard during the short span of time before the fog open to Cannor proper.

Damn, good job AI, this is literally the first time I ever see them accomplish anything, usually they just keep migrating in the caves until someone put them out of their misery

>>2065075
Send the product of the Sunmaker down there then

>>2065119
>colored wastelands
vile, how can you play like this?

>>2065168
how can you not?

>>2065172
Looks like someone squeezed the toothpaste tube too hard and made a mess.

>>2065175
it's mint flavoured

>>2065168
why would you NOT want to see your name be bigger on the map?

>>2065024
Also do it quickly if you want a crown.

>>2065070
Vassalize adventurers that border orcs and take all tribal land before hitting the final reform. You must do it before 1450 when adventurers hit their first migration and you can't vassalize them anymore

>>2060979
goblin conqueror I think

>>2065024
Wait a minute, I know this porn. Honestly his weakest work. I feel like I haven't seen incase in a while. He must paywall everything now or something.

>>2065172
I used to play with coloured wastelands, but it's only really good for screenshots. I got sick of being bamboozled by chokepoints by not realising certain bits were wasteland. From a functional point, leaving them uncoloured is better.

>>2065474
I already know where the wasteland is

Is it worth going quantity as elven military or do you just go for buffs
What ideas does gerandcurt, defensive into exploration? What about eordand? Religious? I feel a bit confused since my usual offensive ideas opening feels out of place here.

>>2065532
>gerandcurt
Gemradcurt*

I found the most Jewish nation in Anbennar. Entire mission tree revolves around making money and subverting other countries through debt

>>2065536
Only because Asraport got rejected

>>2065536
Yeah, the boat dwarves are the best nation in the game.

>>2065536
>trade focus
>naval superpower
>mechanics encouraging tall play and squeezing as much value as possible out of a tiny homeland
Why are these always the best countries?

>>2065532
Quantity is aways worth, but I do think it goes particularily well with elven military.

>initial funding for Jaherian exemplars starts them as discovered
>neat, I'll buy some old world maps from them
>need to be in neighbouring region for that :^)
I forgot how annoying this mechanic was

>>2065532
defensive and then innovative is the recommended germadcurt opener for the fort maintenance policy, then go exploration as your third idea group
your biggest struggle early game is your religion causing devastation

>>2065536
make sure you don't take any land in the serpentspine so you don't have to deal with the dwarven disasters

>>2065816
Do vassals and stolen colonies count?

>>2065536
You also get to build a big fuck off ship

>>2065878
>Maintenance: 50.07 crowns each month.

>>2065881
I seem to remember it cost like 10k to build. The back end of that mission tree is very expensive. Still you also control half the worlds trade by that point.

>>2065881
just get the debtoids to pay for it

>>2065474
>he hasn't memorized the location and connections of every province and wasteland in the game

What does magical infamy and being witch king do? I'm guessing something along the lines of -200 opinion for everyone and whoops -50 mana events forever, but what exactly is it?

>>2066031
People don't really like you.
Also gnomes get bonuses against you.

>>2066031
You get huge bonuses on force limit and manpower, aswell as some discipline, but -6 diplomatic reputation. I'm not sure but I think people might get a cb on you aswell?

>>2066088
Yes, they get War Against Evil CB

literally nothing evil about throwing space rocks at people

>>2065820
direct ownership by you is what matters, the game doesn't care about vassals

can you have more than 1 homunculus? i want a robot harem

>>2066188
yeah you can have your ruler and all the advisors if you want to bleed mana monthly after 100 years

>>2066191
>if you want to bleed mana monthly after 100 years
...say what?

>>2066206
Homunculus has maintenance cost if they grow too old because their body will break down on it own.

>>2066292
oh no

>>2066292
What about heterunculus?

>>2065878
>all those buffs
>for a galley
dwarfs can't into sea

>>2066105
I became a Witch King mostly just from ignoring research restrictions. I felt I wasn't even doing anything and suddenly got it.

>>2066346
Magic progress is fucking aids without loreseeker
Thank god it needs dip instead of something important

>>2066346
>ignoring research restrictions
plagiarism? false data? don't tell me you used AI

>>2066348
If I am not mistaken they are reworking the system and it might be available at the next update (hopefully)

>>2066349
I think he means getting events of unregulated magical research (i.e. committing experiments on sentient species or getting materials through inhumane means)

>Help hill gnolls defeat Busilar
>They take 1 province and turn Busilar into tributary for some reason
How do I make them act normal? They are literally doing everything they can to kill themselves

>>2061787
Isobelin is basically fantasy USA and is one of the easier ways of getting the army of Halann reform (all races accepted)

>>2066416
I know what he means you sperg, I was making a joke.

Can you take army of Halann if all the undesirables are purged?

Should my soon to be subverted by their conquered ""gnomes"" not!Vikings accept the cuddly dragons or commit mass genocide of their homeland?

I'm gonna make a revolutionary MT with just one mission
>build army to forcelimit
>get a free CB on everyone and 25% CCR
now you just have to imagine the narrative in your head and blob in your preferred direction, and you just pretend you got perma claims there!

Are expeditions longer than "short" even worth doing? Feels like succeeding is pure luck even if you invest insane amounts and max everything.

>>2066413
They already said magic rework won't be up for the next update

What the hell is this? Is this hardscripted to happen or is it actually a random even that just makes colonizing in that direction impossible for 10 years?

>>2066781
Totally worth it, you get tons of money, mana, reform points, and potentially some dwarf crown jewels

How are you supposed to beat Grombar when they have double your army and manpower?

>>2066841
I think it's Road warrior stuff

>>2066851
Mercs or War Wizard.

>>2066851
Breed them into submission

>>2066868
I can buy mercs, but then I still have less forces and am paying 10 gold per month in a defensive attrition war that lasts 10 years with a civ that's supposed to hoard money because otherwise the game gets bricked by disasters that are designed around having a perfect game.

>>2066872
Are you playing as the ice dorf hold? You got no choice but to bleed them on your cave/hold forts.

>>2066875
Yeah I am, but idk, just feels impossible, since they have 50k in brigades and 70k manpower while I have 20k of both and they're attacking together with shattered crown, who're also equal to me in numbers + it's impossible for me to have any allies other than that one expedition with 7 brigades. I managed to make them lose 200k in manpower but they still had enough left over.

>>2066879
Yeah that hold is reliant on luck to not get a hugbox on all your expansion options.

>>2066879
Restart if Grombar is too strong, Krak start is just bullshit RNG

>>2066971
I think I'll just stop playing dwarves, feels like the devs just hate you for doing that. Like even aside from the disasters, wtf is that "haha funny" event that makes you lose 2 stability.

>>2066851
Expand faster than them. I was caught off guard but beat them on a second try
>>2066971
Fighting grombar is the most fun part of krak though

>>2067063
>If you find the game too difficult, try lowering the difficulty.

>>2067063
The inherent concept of Dwarves as having extremely high dev provinces in extremely defensible terrain is inherently overpowered so they need the strong disasters to try and balance them. Without them you'd literally just roll over the entire Serpentspine in like a hundred years without even trying.

>>2067123
The idea of dwarves being overpowered is nonsense, they have a slower start than pretty much any other tag and I don't see how the serpentspine being full of defensible terrain would make it easier to roll over. It's not like the disasters make playing them any more fun either, there is zero interaction, it's just waiting, more boring than the end of an easy campaign, put in the middle of the campaign, or if you're not prepared because you're continuing an imperfect game and don't know what the disasters are before they happen they literally just end your playthrough.
It's kinda weird, because with the "Silent as a grave" incident they showed, they can design fun and interactive things, but instead for dwarves they just shit out garbage like hoardcurse and 20 random events that lower your stability.

>>2067123
Haven't played dwarves yet, but random fuck you events just for existing sounds just about the worst way of doing that

>>2067141
The thing is the devs for Bulwar and Serpentspine are two different groups of people. Bulwar usually got overpowered and cool shit due to it proximity near the de facto protagonist and main face of the mod, Jaddar, while Serpenspine is filled with bunch of weirdo who think disaster spam is a fun and great game design.

>pick nation
>ignore MT
>have 100 times more fun than when you follow it

>>2067424
>Me everytime I play as Anbenncost and become overlord of Haless.

>>2067424
The last I ignored my MT, I realised I had a massive legitimacy debuff that only goes away by completing missions.
Nothing the console can't fix but it was annoying as fuck

>>2067424
I'm somewhere in the middle. I don't ignore it, but I don't let it decide who I conquer or what I do. They are just nice little bonuses I can get.

How do you avoid getting bulldozed by the command with Azkare? You have no defensible terrain and no time to get ahead in tech before they attack you.

Why do people shit on Viakkoc? I'm finding it really fun. The only issue is that it wants you to conquer Nathalaire which is in HRE very early
>>2067789
Either siege their capital during sir revolt or use end existence cb with some powerful allies

>>2067796
But how do I get strong enough to do that? They attack you like 20-25 years into the campaign.

>>2067803
You directly? No way. If it's the xiaken war, just ignore it and come back later. You want to unlock Sunrise Convocation government and then expand, expand, expand to integrate as many cultures as you can

Anyone played the new Verne tree?
Is it colonies-heavy or can I have some fun in the not-hre as well?

>>2067803
You don't need to be strong. You need to siege their capital and they fucking die. Just no-cb them during sir revolt where you have numerical superiority and they're distracted. If the revolt is too weak (no xia) then just restart

>>2067796
Nathalaire doesn't start in the empire, you should have plenty of time to conquer them. I'm not even sure if the ai will join the empire?

>>2067818
>I'm not even sure if the ai will join the empire?
They do if an empire country colonises the folly. I was playing as Biz and wanted to stop the raiding and ended up having to fight Wex and Lorrent because of that.

>>2067808
It's not that heavily focused but it still got a dedicated colonial branch. Like they are way more Corinite focused than I like desu.

So if I understand the Serpentspine talk correctly, letting this colony finish will bring nothing but woe and calamity?

thoughts on the new DD?

>>2067921
No, this only applies to the dwarves.

>>2067921
it's only if you have dwarf administration

>>2067971
Link?

>>2067803
admin focus the entire game, expand as much as possible and have powerful allies, two early cultures to prioritize in the parliament are hobgoblins (you get them from an early mission where you kill the guy to the left of you, they give discipline) and xia culture (they give infantry combat ability)

>>2068093
https://www.reddit.com/r/Anbennar/comments/1lc1vrr/eu4_dev_diary_92_the_333rd_lizardfolk_empire/

also there is a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN8WEgM78kU

>>2058951
real

>>2058951
There should be a "where's my share" option.

Why does an insult give a free CB but pirate fucking niggers raiding my colonies doesn't?

>>2065168
found Auirus

>Pasiragha's missions all about inviting scholars to the point it wants you to invite specific schools as a mission requirement
>you can only invite a scholar if you either own the origin school province or have 150 relations and are the ally/subject/overlord of the school in question
>the ones you need will either never ally you or the origin school province is so far away you'll never get it
>even if you get past the first mission lock when Suhan's Praxis spawns the second half is just "become the raja, colonise the Telekinids and Ringlets" like a usual blob monster
It would've been cool if there was a formable based on being an independent western kingdom to defend Rahen and Haless against the Jadd/gnolls/whoever decides to go beyond the Sahalad considering the first half only gives you very little claims and emphasises playing tall by having you dev a lot and have a bunch of forts on your borders but it seems like they ran out of ideas after that, one of the later requirements needs you to have 65k manpower in the pool which isn't impossible but you're not getting it if you're not abusing the buttons on the scale.

>>2068244
I believe you mean Aurirus

>you have to take a downright horrible privilege to progress in your MT
why the hell do "here's claims, get those and you get more claims" mission trees get shit on by people when this crap is the alternative?

>>2068428
>10% early morale
How is that bad? Who cares about general cost or professionalism that early?

>>2068428
>acquire vassals
>do their missions for free stuff, perma province modifiers etc
>annex
This has to be the best way to play anbennar, MTs are easy cheats that the AI will almost never be able to do due to the super specific requirements

>>2068428
>you have to give a good privilege that morale buffs your armies early on when it matters the most and penalizes things that don't really matter at that point
Oh no.
You would have had a point if it was one of those mid game missions buried in the tree where you need like 30 or less estate influence and 60 crownland or some shit that you won't be near having because you're still in sell/seize mode for free money.

>>2067971
From all they've shown about the steam update the things I'm by far the most interested in is the luna river blackpowder empire and zokka.
Ovdal az an also looks neat, the sarhal stuff still doesn't grab me at all and everything about the new deepwoods MTs (except the warhammer inspired eagle elves which look good) seems fucking rogieria-tier shit/gay

The 333rd empire has the potential to be good or ass, depends entirely on the MT writing

>>2068310
Rajadangha is kind of similar, starts tall and defensive and then becomes the Raj and conquers India. They do have a two northern formables. I wanted Elayenna as the Jaddari Afganistan
>>2067971
>>2068106
Honestly, if half of that stuff was in the Sarhal release, it would actually be worth releasing.

>>2068515
Elayenna has a focus tree in the Anbennar content expanded mod

>>2067971
Sarhal tags seems will have tons of interesting mechanic but I admit the lore and names is just too tryhard for my taste. Like every single paragraph in that DD is filled with jargons that make me confused at just reading it.

>>2068547
It's just info overload. I felt the same with fantasy China, but it's one of my favourite spots now after playing a few tags there and learning it as I go along. You just gotta immerse yourself in the area to understand it all. Although I'll admit watching the video of the guy talking about Sarhal definitely made me more interested in it than just reading about it. Now I have a better concept of what the lizards are actually like.

What are the requirements for completing the xhazob summon thing? Just raze a lot?

>>2068632
You need to keep your Demonic Power from falling to 0 for ten years, it's harder than it looks since you also get a -10 yearly Demonic Power debuff.

>>2068639
Yeah I figured it out. Seems pretty hard. You gotta stay at war constantly to raze. Do you gain demonic power by other means as well? I know you can initiate cults, but other than that I haven't seen anything.

>>2068641
There's also the Light the Pyres button in the religious menu which trades dev in non-Xhazobkult provinces into demonic power but otherwise I think that's it. I know in the new Zokka tree they can instantly complete the ritual via one of their missions but I'm guessing you're not playing that.

>>2068643
I am playing that, but the RNG gods fucked me. My ruler died a couple years after I completed that mission.

>>2068584
I guess I never feel that way about Haless because I am an Asian and Aelantir is still distinctly European inspired like a big chunk of this mod.

>333rd empire can't fail
>someone forms 333rd empire
>it fails
>erm that wasn't ACTUALLY the 333rd empire!
>repeat until heat death of the universe
why are they like this?

>>2068923
Superstitious Snakes, I suppose.
I did enjoy that tidbit about the records from two empires back already being sparse, and 329 and more is just a mystery.

>>2068584
>after playing a few tags there and learning it as I go along
How the fuck do you use the religion there
I tried Yinquan but the Accretive path religion just seems odd. Do I have to time my technology advances so I don't fuck myself over with faith power decay?

>>2067818
They always join in 1470s and if I conquered it I would be in a 30 man coalition because I had to conquer kheterat, eborthil and busilar prior to having access to nathalaire

What are the best idea groups for Phoenix Empire?

>>2069262
Are you planning world conquest Phoenix or tall Bulwar Phoenix? Also who did you form it with

>>2069269
Birzartanses. I am planning to complete the MT.

>>2069269
Offensive for the amount of sieging you're going to have to do on a timer, and admin to help with coring and OE (and Keladoras lady boner for bureaucracy) and religious for conversion are pretty much going to be your core ideas then

>>2069272
Offensive for the amount of sieging you're going to have to do on a timer, and admin to help with coring and OE (and Keladoras lady boner for bureaucracy) and religious for conversion are pretty much going to be your core ideas then.

>>2069272
Birsantanses integrate other race as part of their mt, so humanism is nice to have but you can use religious instead or both. Otherwise they are the blobiest Sun Elf tags because their tree give tons of ccr. The standard Ottomans idea set fits them nicely.

>>2069262
These were mine

>>2069297
Why court? Was espionage any useful that late into the game?

>>2069302
>Why court?
Core creation cost, warscore cost, privileges, khet mandate
>Was espionage any useful that late into the game?
No I took it for siege and missionary strenght

>>2069304
>Core creation cost, warscore cost, privileges, khet mandate
Right, I am not familiar with the court policies and forgot about the mandate. I need to take it more often.
>No I took it for siege and missionary strenght
Figures. I was slightly surprised by only one mil idea group, but clearly you didn't need them

>>2069280
>>2069287
>>2069297
thx. I have read through the MT, this is gonna be such a pain to complete in time.

>>2069310
among other things, the khets give you admin efficiency

I wanted to try out a big ORC only escann shit- But I had to turned it into Infernal Court thing since I thought it would be funny to pretend like I'm the orcs from Warcraft...

I expected to fight the Regent Court every day all day, but now, after 150 years of dealing with Cornite BULLSHIT, most of my allies are Regent Court.

It just makes me giggle that, atleast from what I'm reading, the Satanists are basically teaming up with the Catholics to fight with the protestants. I do not know how this would even work roleplay wise, I'm just assuming that the Regent Court rulers just decided "Fuck it, we'll vibe with those demon worshippers if it means pissing off that BITCH"
Also the guy I made bring the demon shit was Just, Righteous, and Benevolent. This is also the same guy that decided to de-monsterize. So I'm imagining the people of Abennar must be just thinking that the Orcs just decided to worship wrong and decided to roll with it considering I was considered Equal when the whole Cornite religious shit kicked off.

You know, despite being kind of a "meme pick", I really like Elikhand and their Dalcabba faith.

Really, how else can you justify becoming Castan when you don't even believe in Castellos anymore? It's CAStan, not CORINtan or ADEANtan.

>>2069310
>I was slightly surprised by only one mil idea group
If I could go back I would replace it with court since undead military is so OP you don't need any mil ideas

>foresight bricking your run has no pop up
Thanks very cool

>>2069404
It was named after the founder, Castan, who in turn was named after his tribe the Castanites. Elikhand unironically has slightly better claim because they are Kheteratan, like the Castanites, aka they are brown. Decalaba is just syncretic fusion of Khetism practice being inserted into Regent Court pantheon and due to how they originally worship a dead God in their homeland, they do still revere Castellos as the chief of the court like how they revere Elikhand.

>>2069320
>the Satanists are basically teaming up with the Catholics to fight with the protestants.
This is the funniest sentence I've read all week

>try shelokmengi
>half the missions have estate influence/loyalty reqs
Yeah idk if I want to do this

>>2069437
It's kinda bullshit, the chance gets higher every time you use it. With that you can only use it like 2 or 3 times, before the chance becomes too high to risk if you're not save scumming.
Though chances in this game seem weird aswell. If something has a 75% chance it'll happen literally 9/10 times. Anyone know what's up with that?

>>2069521
>always been a 1% chance
>check it
>it's 20% now
Huh, I thought it was just a specific fuck you for ironman nerds or something. Guess being a 6/6/6 wizard god king with maxed divination brought it so much below the minimum threshold it didn't increase until now

>doing castanor MT, get to silvermere expedition
>open room, reward for taking it is 358K MOTHERFUCKING GOLD. 358K.
>decide to choose the long lost treasure because 'surely if the base reward is so big then the artifact must be better right?'
>the reward is +10 absolutism

>>2069404
>good ideas
>good missions
>unique monuments
>chad benevolent immortal mummy ruler
>can claim the mandate and be HRE emperor
what's there not to love?

Advice for making adventurer tags a bit easier? I like playing in the region but I find myself struggling to actually snowball enough to stand on my own once everyone consolidates their holdings early on, I'll be too busy managing rebels or gold shortages and what not. Surely there's some ideas that help a lot with this? Lately I've been doing raven banner and sword covenant runs in the region.

>>2069730
Their mission tree encourages having an Undead Army, but that kinda messes up three Castanor MT with the way legions work.

Like, the Castanorian Legions are pretty obviously not supposed to be undead. You end up getting pretty early an event about everyone wanting to join them. I mean, what, are they killing themselves?

Entef is pretty based, he's a Chad "Necromancy for the good of the people" without being a cringe socialist w*man like that Esthil girl.

BUT.

It's pretty obvious the game didn't really account for you forming Castanor as an Immortal Mummy King leading necromantic armies with the events, which creates some real dissonance.

>>2069822
Don't be afraid of trucebreaking the greenskins because they are too weak to threaten you and the way ae generation work in eu4 mean other adventurer don't care about it. The main goal is to place yourself in a position that enable you to take tribal land as much as posibble from the greenskins before other adventurer do that and the secondary goal is to migrate to Castonath if it's posibble because you can pump tons of dev into it if you negotiate with the Patrician.

>>2069521
>Anyone know what's up with that?
you're reloading from a point where the game has already rolled the outcome for decisions, events, etc. I don't know the specifics but this is also why "guys my ruler keeps dying on the same exact date every time I reload" happens

>>2069854
>I mean, what, are they killing themselves?
Not unrealistic for people to willingly kill themselves for their God King ruler historically to be fair, but it was for afterlife reasons
Another problem with having immortal rulers for both Castanor and Black Demesne is you'll never see the unique succession systems for either of them, if you care about flavor like that
Also Esthil is super overrated for being the nation to form Black Demesne with, not just because of the tonal dissonance of going from necromantic welfare state to "nobody has rights except for magic users", but also because we have Covenblad and Wyvernheart now who have a way better "decline of magic into evil" story that flows nicer into BD

>>2069664
You don't need gold at that point of the game anyways.

>>2069887
I wasn't talking about save scumming. I noticed it with events where it's not that big a deal, like the dwarven one during the remnant stagnation where there is a 75% chance of having 6 rebels spawn and it happens literally every time.

>>2069822
Just reload and practice. I was able to consistently reach this result as any escanni nation after getting used to mechanics
>>2060303

>Phoenix Empire MT requires me to conquer Rahen in 20 years
>the first took around 2 years with half of Rahen taken
>look how long the truce lasts
>19 years
Do I just truce-break? I don't see any other way making it in time.

I swear if Grombar kills off grossObrtroliums...

>>2070226
You pick religious and holy war everyone before popping the first mission

>>2069822
Completing your adventurer mission tree is the big one because it removes the penalty from forming your tag. Aside from that as long as you've taken tribal land from everyone you can you should be in a fine position.

What are your guys' opening plays with your estate privileges in a typical run? Do I want to choose the ones that'll give me +1 to each mana category right away? I feel like I can navigate most of the game just fine but when it comes to estates it's probably my worst section of the game because I hardly ever know how to balance seizing land or selling some off, what privileges are dogshit and which ones are almost always good to take, etc.

>complete 3 noble agendas
>have 20 provinces with farrani vision
>have 20 mercantilism or a fleet of 1
ok this is being annoying on purpose

>>2070713
I usually give tons of privilage at the start. Most of them are really great and the downsides only matter after absolutism appear and you got crownland by deving and blobing something I always do anyways. Just seize them even if a rebel will popup because the rebels are usually very weak and selling crownland is free money, just don't let it hit zero because the monthly autonomy hit is not worth it. As for good privilage free mana is free mana so take all the +1, the gov cap privilage is nice to have if you blob to fast, the merchant low interest loan privilage is free money, the noble manpower privilage is a huge boost in early game, and clergy got free diplo rep. Everything else is situational or crap like the monopoly privilage unless there's unique estate like the patrician in Escann, eunuch in Yanshen, and Rahen which have a completely different estate system.

>>2070868
only ever do zero if you're about to take land in a war because that gives you more crownland after (usually around 10%)

>>2070868
>crap like the monopoly privilage
the only use for it in this mod (and eu4 period) is if you want to cheese the hoardcurse

>>2070911
>not trading the worthless goods for the estate loyalty and free mercantilism

>>2069878
I did this and the orcs raped me in a coalition.

>>2071038
I did get coalitioned too but they never trigger it because my fedbros got my back. Pretty much the only threatening orc in escann is Bladebreaker but usually I crush them when I outtech them 4-2.

Anybody know what the hell is up with this Shattered Crown?

I shit you not, they had a Personal Union over fucking LORENT. LORENT. They had one over Grombar, then somehow got another over LORENT. They own basically all of the serpenstpine and i've had to fight like 10 Deathwars with them already.

>>2071087
Lucky Nations?

>>2071170
No, and I don't think they had a mythical conqueror either.

>>2071087
Monstrous nations union, I see no issue.

>>2071464
I've literally never heard of it. Is it some obscure formable or just an literal who tribe that somehow got lucky?

>>2071038
I guess it's not consistent but I found that the orc coalitions will usually accept instant peace out options if you give them a large amount of money, it's not cheap but it's a lot better than the alternative when I'm still rebuilding up my army from previous wars or just don't want to deal with the mess.

>>2071469
Shattered Crown is just another orc tag.

>>2071473
Kinda weird there isn't an Serpentspine Greenskin Formable. Feels like there should be.

>>2071469
It's the orc tribe that starts in the old dwarven capital, they are usually quite strong in the serpentspine

>>2071474
there is, Tarakar

>>2071087
let me guess, they demonsterized and converted to corintar?

>>2071666
What do you think?

>>2071688
Actually, I'll go ahead and ask for some advice...I'm trying to go down the mission as Castanor, and obviously, I gotta form Dostanor. The issue is, I wasn't able to go all the way down, but i need Bal Ouord to be able to form it.

Should I Trucebreak Corvuria and annex all their land down there so i can get the stuff necessary to form it?

>>2071693
I haven't played Castanor, but isn't it a world conqueror? You're probably too late if you only own Escann by 1716. I don't play WC tags though, so I don't really know how far you can go in 100 years.

>>2071729
I'm probably too late for WC, but I do also own the blue thing north of me, Vrorenmarch. It's an Dominion.

Playing as Marrhold right now. If I tagwitch to Castanor, do I keep my griffin?

Hello anons.
I'm on day 3 of restarting a Feiten Campaign where I'm trying to play them quasi-optimally, getting into intense autism. Most mission trees I like the tree is hidden because it's new goals to accomplish, but the Feiten tree has hidden goals that get revealed after you complete a stage. Very annoying.
I'm also absolutely certain nobody has played an ironman run of this tag: You'd be stalled for 80 years multiple times when the mission tree and unique monument jumpscare you with "get 33 inno in yanshen + explo first idea set" and "btw you shouldn't have annexed more than 24 provinces"

Anyways, questions. I'm playing with the more ideas group mod that adds neat stuff like Logistics/Trade Management ideas that make my brain wrinke, if this is relevant to you.
Around about 1530-1550 you run into a brick wall as this nation. Haless is full of 80k men in the field + 150K manpower nations, and because you're playing a skyscraper tall nation you're extremely over forcelimit all the time. Vassals in the area are relatively useless unless you can get, like, Bianfang or the northernmost Yan nation as a vassal somehow.
Speaking of vassals, it seems like you're meant to go vassal centric here due to the low province limit so you can build semi-optimally in vassal lands. This leads to a dual problem: my vassals usually can muster like, 30k men tops before I start running into loyalty due to dev limits, and I can't fit influence+espionage+exploration before, like, 1650. Advice?
Do your artificers being space marines make up for your extremely limited manpower reserves? Advice for taking on someone like united Lake Federation or whatever behemoth wins the South Halessi thunderdome?
Your unique mechanic encourages taking high-dev inland centers of trade - but I'm at a loss as to how to actually take those provinces for myself due to coring restrictions. Good examples are Bianfang or Jianglusi's capital. Any work-arounds?

>>2071875
Follow-up thought:
Is going Suhan's Praxis specifically for +10% infantry combat worth it as Feiten? I don't think it would cause me to lose access to Silk Turban or Starry Eye but I honestly don't know, haven't interacted too deeply with Suhan.
On run 3 I discovered that getting rid of your tolerance of eastern group religions estate privilege is extremely worth it when you factor in Development of Temples and Religious Culture's impact on skyscraper tags.

>>2071474
why would there be a greenskin formable when they are blackskins?

>>2071960
For Siegebreaker

>>2071875
I really want to enjoy that nation but there's so much stuff where you have to wait for decades and decades for something to happen
>the very first mission needs dip tech 6
>just wait like 50 years to kill Tianlou bro
>just wait like 200 years for Ravelianism bro

>>2071470
I did actually manage to survive the coalition. My adventurer vassal and federation members all got fucked but the 60k orc army was apparently too scared to try my 15k stack just waiting in my capital. I peaced out on the length of war modifier. Game's kinda fucked though. Most tags are already colonizing on my tribal land. I probably won't have much left by the time I form my tag.

>20th June 2025
>AI Rosande, Wyvernheart, Stalbor and Rogieria still all purge orcs throughout the entire game
I just wanted my Unguldavor game to have a single small orcish minority left in the entirety of the 2/3rds of Escann I don't own by 1500, is that too much to ask

So...how should I deal with this coalition?

It's not that I don't think I can beat them, I just don't want to have to occupy literally all of Cannor. That would take way too damn long. I don't have that much time.

>>2072104
Haless is full of that cancerous tree design, Arawkelin is especially the worst of the worst.

bros.......

>>2072871
Rape babbies are just as orc as full blooded orcs.

>>2072871
>this is the future that corinites want

This game really has become the default EU4 experience for me. I keep going to post other modded campaigns here forgetting that this is just Anbennar, not EU4 in general.

Am i the only one who thinks it's easy how insanely easy Edhardrachon Uprising is? I didn't even get to do the whole mission tree because my armies just bulldozed their shitty Revolt and took all their land in less than a year.

With all the damn effort it has, it's weird. I mean, there's a whole alternate mission tree. I expected an Great Insubordination tier crash out.

Or maybe I just took too damn long to form Castanor and was already too OP thanks to my Undead Army.

The only really "Challenging" midgame disasters in the game rn are the serpentspine ones - player power can vary so dramatically in 1530 depending on speed of scaling in first 30 years of the game. Some people will have conquered half of Escann, some people will just be getting their nation online after multiple periods of 0 manpower downtime.

Why does the Gold Dwarf MT end when you have conquered a tiny fraction of the serpent spine?

>>2075345
Also I've been digging my hold for decades and it's at 5% progress because it keeps popping events that reduce progress, is that supposed to happen?

>>2075345
It's an old tree, the oldest Dwarf mission tree and never been reworked yet. It's older than Rahen and that's like 5 years ago.

Hmm, page 10

Should someone create a new one?

Did they do anything with escann orcs, formable tags like ungoldavor, and great dookan religion yet? Last time I played them it felt a bit unfinished.

>>2075772
Escanni orcs are still unfinished, but in a playable state

>>2075729
I will bake new bred in a couple of hours, /vst/ is slow enough that we should be on the catalog for a wee bit longer

>>2075772
>Escann Orcs
They're named "Corinites"

>>2075795
Great Dookan is better

>>2075797
If Dookan is so great why did he lose?

>>2075797
chief mogurk hear that there is an even greater dookan, who humans call corin....

>>2075729
no